Re: hyper/hypo-weight loss/weight gain

[Guest guest]

Huh ???

" We have demonstrated marked weight gain after

treatment of hyperthyroidism.

Pre-existing obesity, a diagnosis of Graves' disease

and prior weight loss

independently predicted weight gain, and weight

continued to rise with time.

What treatment???

Says -Pam- who is taking PTU... which, I noticed the other use for is 'fattening

animals'.... <sigh>,and has been on a super low carb diet for just over 2 weeks

, no

cheating, and has seen ONE pound come and go... = :-o

I checked one of those low carb support groups, and they all loose a lb. a day

at first.

:-(

Oh well, my main reason is less pain, and it works for that, but a little less

weight has

entered my mind now that I find I can do this and be happy. And don't worry, I

will be

adding a few more carbs back, as I work up my nerve....just don't want to hurt,

and this

is SO WONDERFUL !

But logic does tell me, that little 1/4 pill less is more of the real answer.

LOL, so here we are pre Christmas talking about the weight we haven't gained

yet.

[Guest guest]

I mean why do they believe the hyper patient that says they're eating 6000

cal/day and losing weight. If that patient is still losing so much weight

and is within the normal TSH, FT3 and FT4 levels, the doctor thinks

something might still be wrong. I've never heard of a doctor telling a

skinny, previously known hyperthyroid patient that they're anorexic and need

to eat more. Why is it so different for hypothyroid patients that are told

that they eat too much and are dismissed?

Sorry everbody, but this has been bugging me since I read the article in the

newspaper. And I've listened to it periodically from the doctors I know. I

did mention it to my husband (who has said the same thing) and it stymied

him. He thought it was a good question and doesn't know why it's like that.

He also couldn't answer me. He has never really thought about it before. I

wonder how many doctors are the same.

Take care,

[Guest guest]

I mean why do they believe the hyper patient that says they're eating 6000

cal/day and losing weight. If that patient is still losing so much weight

and is within the normal TSH, FT3 and FT4 levels, the doctor thinks

something might still be wrong. I've never heard of a doctor telling a

skinny, previously known hyperthyroid patient that they're anorexic and need

to eat more. Why is it so different for hypothyroid patients that are told

that they eat too much and are dismissed?

Sorry everbody, but this has been bugging me since I read the article in the

newspaper. And I've listened to it periodically from the doctors I know. I

did mention it to my husband (who has said the same thing) and it stymied

him. He thought it was a good question and doesn't know why it's like that.

He also couldn't answer me. He has never really thought about it before. I

wonder how many doctors are the same.

Take care,

[Guest guest]

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 20:36:45 -0800

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: hyper/hypo-weight loss/weight gain

>

> It's not consistent. They would never dream of telling a hyper patient that

> they're just not eating enough to gain weight. So eat more. Yet they're

> perfectly comfortable telling all hypo patients to eat less if they're

> gaining weight without investigating the problem.

,

I think I'm beginning to understand a little more of what you go through,

I'm just dense sometimes. I know that even dipping a little TOE into the

land of hypo makes me feel horrible, out of control of my life, totally

enervated, not to mention gain weight too. Just as I try to fine-tune all

my markers to euthyroid status from hyper, I've assumed without thinking too

deeply that the same thing is possible if you're hypo. Yet I'm becoming

aware of how it's all complicated by the T4/T3 conversion, and the inexact

duplication of human hormone by the synthetic or pig versions. Having not

gone through this myself, it's terrifying to contemplate how frustrated you

must get if unable to fine-tune and achieve a state where you actually feel

good most of the time, have some control of weight gain, etc. I'm not sure I

could handle it!

BTW (Pam), if I have to eat my hat, I think I'll construct a neat one of

woven kale leaves from the garden first...

Terry

[Guest guest]

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 20:36:45 -0800

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: hyper/hypo-weight loss/weight gain

>

> It's not consistent. They would never dream of telling a hyper patient that

> they're just not eating enough to gain weight. So eat more. Yet they're

> perfectly comfortable telling all hypo patients to eat less if they're

> gaining weight without investigating the problem.

,

I think I'm beginning to understand a little more of what you go through,

I'm just dense sometimes. I know that even dipping a little TOE into the

land of hypo makes me feel horrible, out of control of my life, totally

enervated, not to mention gain weight too. Just as I try to fine-tune all

my markers to euthyroid status from hyper, I've assumed without thinking too

deeply that the same thing is possible if you're hypo. Yet I'm becoming

aware of how it's all complicated by the T4/T3 conversion, and the inexact

duplication of human hormone by the synthetic or pig versions. Having not

gone through this myself, it's terrifying to contemplate how frustrated you

must get if unable to fine-tune and achieve a state where you actually feel

good most of the time, have some control of weight gain, etc. I'm not sure I

could handle it!

BTW (Pam), if I have to eat my hat, I think I'll construct a neat one of

woven kale leaves from the garden first...

Terry

[Guest guest]

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 20:36:45 -0800

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: Re: hyper/hypo-weight loss/weight gain

>

> It's not consistent. They would never dream of telling a hyper patient that

> they're just not eating enough to gain weight. So eat more. Yet they're

> perfectly comfortable telling all hypo patients to eat less if they're

> gaining weight without investigating the problem.

,

I think I'm beginning to understand a little more of what you go through,

I'm just dense sometimes. I know that even dipping a little TOE into the

land of hypo makes me feel horrible, out of control of my life, totally

enervated, not to mention gain weight too. Just as I try to fine-tune all

my markers to euthyroid status from hyper, I've assumed without thinking too

deeply that the same thing is possible if you're hypo. Yet I'm becoming

aware of how it's all complicated by the T4/T3 conversion, and the inexact

duplication of human hormone by the synthetic or pig versions. Having not

gone through this myself, it's terrifying to contemplate how frustrated you

must get if unable to fine-tune and achieve a state where you actually feel

good most of the time, have some control of weight gain, etc. I'm not sure I

could handle it!

BTW (Pam), if I have to eat my hat, I think I'll construct a neat one of

woven kale leaves from the garden first...

Terry

[Guest guest]

It's a really good question, but I think at least part of the answer is

really obvious. Doctors, like the rest of the world JUDGE fat people.

It is quite bizarre that specialists should invest so much of their time and

energy in learning about the subject, the complexities of metabolism, the

hunger mechanism, insulin resistence, hyper/hypo and the T4 to T3 aspect etc

etc and then turn around and say, effectively: " After 20 years of study I

feel fully qualified to tell you that despite all evidence pointing to the

fact that you have a medical condition which effects your metabolism, your

real problem is you're greedy and lazy " .

It seems it's just too tempting for most of them to jump on the bandwagon

and say with all the authority of their position behind them, " it's your

fault " . It must feel good, it must be so satisfying for them when they are

drowning in the midst of all the complexitites of endocrinology to have such

a simple answer. I think that there is still something at work in our

culture that makes it permissible and even satisfying -to bully a fat

person.

FAT people are practically the last category of people who (in the West

anyway) can be openly laughed at, reviled, blamed for their own condition.

Just look at the " fat " episodes of FRIENDS. The power of cultural

perceptions of fatness play an enormous part in how hypothyroid people are

treated by doctors - that's what I think anyway.

DAWN ROSE

>I mean why do they believe the hyper patient that says they're eating 6000

>cal/day and losing weight. If that patient is still losing so much weight

>and is within the normal TSH, FT3 and FT4 levels, the doctor thinks

>something might still be wrong. I've never heard of a doctor telling a

>skinny, previously known hyperthyroid patient that they're anorexic and

>need

>to eat more. Why is it so different for hypothyroid patients that are told

>that they eat too much and are dismissed?

>

>Sorry everbody, but this has been bugging me since I read the article in

>the

>newspaper. And I've listened to it periodically from the doctors I know.

>I

>did mention it to my husband (who has said the same thing) and it stymied

>him. He thought it was a good question and doesn't know why it's like

>that.

>He also couldn't answer me. He has never really thought about it before.

>I

>wonder how many doctors are the same.

>

>Take care,

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

It's a really good question, but I think at least part of the answer is

really obvious. Doctors, like the rest of the world JUDGE fat people.

It is quite bizarre that specialists should invest so much of their time and

energy in learning about the subject, the complexities of metabolism, the

hunger mechanism, insulin resistence, hyper/hypo and the T4 to T3 aspect etc

etc and then turn around and say, effectively: " After 20 years of study I

feel fully qualified to tell you that despite all evidence pointing to the

fact that you have a medical condition which effects your metabolism, your

real problem is you're greedy and lazy " .

It seems it's just too tempting for most of them to jump on the bandwagon

and say with all the authority of their position behind them, " it's your

fault " . It must feel good, it must be so satisfying for them when they are

drowning in the midst of all the complexitites of endocrinology to have such

a simple answer. I think that there is still something at work in our

culture that makes it permissible and even satisfying -to bully a fat

person.

FAT people are practically the last category of people who (in the West

anyway) can be openly laughed at, reviled, blamed for their own condition.

Just look at the " fat " episodes of FRIENDS. The power of cultural

perceptions of fatness play an enormous part in how hypothyroid people are

treated by doctors - that's what I think anyway.

DAWN ROSE

>I mean why do they believe the hyper patient that says they're eating 6000

>cal/day and losing weight. If that patient is still losing so much weight

>and is within the normal TSH, FT3 and FT4 levels, the doctor thinks

>something might still be wrong. I've never heard of a doctor telling a

>skinny, previously known hyperthyroid patient that they're anorexic and

>need

>to eat more. Why is it so different for hypothyroid patients that are told

>that they eat too much and are dismissed?

>

>Sorry everbody, but this has been bugging me since I read the article in

>the

>newspaper. And I've listened to it periodically from the doctors I know.

>I

>did mention it to my husband (who has said the same thing) and it stymied

>him. He thought it was a good question and doesn't know why it's like

>that.

>He also couldn't answer me. He has never really thought about it before.

>I

>wonder how many doctors are the same.

>

>Take care,

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Fay,

The article refers to all instances of treated hyperthyroidism. The objective

of the study:

" Patients frequently express concern that treating hyperthyroidism will lead

to excessive weight gain. This study aimed to determine the extent of, and

risk factors for, weight gain in an unselected group of hyperthyroid

patients. "

The researchers investigated 162 people with hyperthyroidism.

Correspondence for this article can be addressed to Dr. Jane Dale, Dept of

Medicine, Queen Hospital, Edgbaston, Birminham, UK.

email: j.a.franklyn@...

Let us know if you or anyone else contacts her.

[Guest guest]

Hi Fay,

The article refers to all instances of treated hyperthyroidism. The objective

of the study:

" Patients frequently express concern that treating hyperthyroidism will lead

to excessive weight gain. This study aimed to determine the extent of, and

risk factors for, weight gain in an unselected group of hyperthyroid

patients. "

The researchers investigated 162 people with hyperthyroidism.

Correspondence for this article can be addressed to Dr. Jane Dale, Dept of

Medicine, Queen Hospital, Edgbaston, Birminham, UK.

email: j.a.franklyn@...

Let us know if you or anyone else contacts her.

[Guest guest]

Hi Fay,

The article refers to all instances of treated hyperthyroidism. The objective

of the study:

" Patients frequently express concern that treating hyperthyroidism will lead

to excessive weight gain. This study aimed to determine the extent of, and

risk factors for, weight gain in an unselected group of hyperthyroid

patients. "

The researchers investigated 162 people with hyperthyroidism.

Correspondence for this article can be addressed to Dr. Jane Dale, Dept of

Medicine, Queen Hospital, Edgbaston, Birminham, UK.

email: j.a.franklyn@...

Let us know if you or anyone else contacts her.

[Guest guest]

> " We have demonstrated marked weight gain after treatment of

> hyperthyroidism.

What kind of treatment does the article refer to? I've been off of ATD's

for several months, no RAI, seem to be stable, but am gaining weight.

Take care, Fay

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> " We have demonstrated marked weight gain after treatment of

> hyperthyroidism.

What kind of treatment does the article refer to? I've been off of ATD's

for several months, no RAI, seem to be stable, but am gaining weight.

Take care, Fay

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> " We have demonstrated marked weight gain after treatment of

> hyperthyroidism.

What kind of treatment does the article refer to? I've been off of ATD's

for several months, no RAI, seem to be stable, but am gaining weight.

Take care, Fay

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This weight gain is a sore subject with me. I think it is all in our

metabolism. I've watched my weight for years because I've had too and still

gained. Even the diet I am on now I don't dare eat the calories they want

me too. I've found that I know what my limit is and this is the first diet

I've tried in years that after 20 lbs. I haven't gained it all back. So to

me the most important factor is learning to know your body and what you need

to do to maintain the weight and how much exercise you need to do.

Doctors first need to understand that every person is different, we are not

all alike. Years ago I read Oprays book, but put it down when they started

talking about all the food people ate. If I ate that food I would weight

400 lbs. Opray talked about going to the mall every evening and stopping at

every booth a cookie here, piece of pizza, pretzel, drink, fudge. It starts

at home, don't eat out or if you do order the low calories and I always take

food home. Water, water, water has been the most important factor for me.

The fall of '97 I was gulping ice water while I was canning, for some reason

my heart skipped a beat, I fainted and quit drinking a lot of water. Once I

started drinking while dieting it has helped with the weight loss.

I couldn't imagine being hypo and having no control of this.

The biggest obstacle I needed to overcome was that when I walked I wasn't

going to have a blood clot move. Once I overcame that fear I could do it

and there are still days that fear overcomes me. Thinking postively and

wanting to live a long life with my dear husband that is so healthy and

watching my little one grow.

Then this week learning my father has congestive heart failure has helped me

learn even more. For several years my father was a heavy drinker and that

drinking most likely could be the cause of his heart disease. Even though

he hasn't drank for a while it is still effecting his life today. These are

things that young adults don't think about. The heart institute he is going

to has a program to teach family members about his condition.

Debbie R. <*;*>

[Guest guest]

This weight gain is a sore subject with me. I think it is all in our

metabolism. I've watched my weight for years because I've had too and still

gained. Even the diet I am on now I don't dare eat the calories they want

me too. I've found that I know what my limit is and this is the first diet

I've tried in years that after 20 lbs. I haven't gained it all back. So to

me the most important factor is learning to know your body and what you need

to do to maintain the weight and how much exercise you need to do.

Doctors first need to understand that every person is different, we are not

all alike. Years ago I read Oprays book, but put it down when they started

talking about all the food people ate. If I ate that food I would weight

400 lbs. Opray talked about going to the mall every evening and stopping at

every booth a cookie here, piece of pizza, pretzel, drink, fudge. It starts

at home, don't eat out or if you do order the low calories and I always take

food home. Water, water, water has been the most important factor for me.

The fall of '97 I was gulping ice water while I was canning, for some reason

my heart skipped a beat, I fainted and quit drinking a lot of water. Once I

started drinking while dieting it has helped with the weight loss.

I couldn't imagine being hypo and having no control of this.

The biggest obstacle I needed to overcome was that when I walked I wasn't

going to have a blood clot move. Once I overcame that fear I could do it

and there are still days that fear overcomes me. Thinking postively and

wanting to live a long life with my dear husband that is so healthy and

watching my little one grow.

Then this week learning my father has congestive heart failure has helped me

learn even more. For several years my father was a heavy drinker and that

drinking most likely could be the cause of his heart disease. Even though

he hasn't drank for a while it is still effecting his life today. These are

things that young adults don't think about. The heart institute he is going

to has a program to teach family members about his condition.

Debbie R. <*;*>

[Guest guest]

This weight gain is a sore subject with me. I think it is all in our

metabolism. I've watched my weight for years because I've had too and still

gained. Even the diet I am on now I don't dare eat the calories they want

me too. I've found that I know what my limit is and this is the first diet

I've tried in years that after 20 lbs. I haven't gained it all back. So to

me the most important factor is learning to know your body and what you need

to do to maintain the weight and how much exercise you need to do.

Doctors first need to understand that every person is different, we are not

all alike. Years ago I read Oprays book, but put it down when they started

talking about all the food people ate. If I ate that food I would weight

400 lbs. Opray talked about going to the mall every evening and stopping at

every booth a cookie here, piece of pizza, pretzel, drink, fudge. It starts

at home, don't eat out or if you do order the low calories and I always take

food home. Water, water, water has been the most important factor for me.

The fall of '97 I was gulping ice water while I was canning, for some reason

my heart skipped a beat, I fainted and quit drinking a lot of water. Once I

started drinking while dieting it has helped with the weight loss.

I couldn't imagine being hypo and having no control of this.

The biggest obstacle I needed to overcome was that when I walked I wasn't

going to have a blood clot move. Once I overcame that fear I could do it

and there are still days that fear overcomes me. Thinking postively and

wanting to live a long life with my dear husband that is so healthy and

watching my little one grow.

Then this week learning my father has congestive heart failure has helped me

learn even more. For several years my father was a heavy drinker and that

drinking most likely could be the cause of his heart disease. Even though

he hasn't drank for a while it is still effecting his life today. These are

things that young adults don't think about. The heart institute he is going

to has a program to teach family members about his condition.

Debbie R. <*;*>

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry-

You are not being dense. I believed that 10 lb. thing for the longest time

(I didn't have the weight problem that so many hypo patients have so I

didn't have any reason to doubt this weight myth-or why they wouldn't think

there's a 10 lb weight loss limit for hyper patients) and then I started

thinking about the muscle and joint pain, heat and swelling that they

attributed to some other autoimmune process that miraculously disappeared

when I started T3. The infertility that they attribute to a new disease

process. And, most importantly, the fatigue that they had attributed to

depression. Well, I've been depressed lately and that is nothing like the

thing I had when I was tired before I started T3. When I started T3, the

fatigue would go away for a few hours. This does not lift (although it's

gradually getting better-but, Oh! The holidays). Yet they try to put it in

the same category and it's not the same at all. I just think they're doing

the same thing with the weight thing.

I just wish they would take an interest in finding out why there seems to be

such a difference. I know that a lot of people use food for comfort but,

unless there's a reason to disbelieve the patient, I think doctors should

listen to the patient and try to figure out what the problem is. As it is,

they don't seem to care enough to find out.

Take care,

> > It's not consistent. They would never dream of telling a hyper patient

that

> > they're just not eating enough to gain weight. So eat more. Yet

they're

> > perfectly comfortable telling all hypo patients to eat less if they're

> > gaining weight without investigating the problem.

>

> ,

>

> I think I'm beginning to understand a little more of what you go through,

> I'm just dense sometimes. I know that even dipping a little TOE into the

> land of hypo makes me feel horrible, out of control of my life, totally

> enervated, not to mention gain weight too. Just as I try to fine-tune all

> my markers to euthyroid status from hyper, I've assumed without thinking

too

> deeply that the same thing is possible if you're hypo. Yet I'm becoming

> aware of how it's all complicated by the T4/T3 conversion, and the inexact

> duplication of human hormone by the synthetic or pig versions. Having not

> gone through this myself, it's terrifying to contemplate how frustrated

you

> must get if unable to fine-tune and achieve a state where you actually

feel

> good most of the time, have some control of weight gain, etc. I'm not sure

I

> could handle it!

>

> BTW (Pam), if I have to eat my hat, I think I'll construct a neat one of

> woven kale leaves from the garden first...

>

> Terry

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie-

You can get just as hypothyroid on ATDs as you can after RAI or

thyroidectomy. Or you can be hypothyroid from other disease processes.

I'm so glad that you've been successful at losing weight. It is interesting

that you couldn't lose it while you were taking ATDs. I think said

the same thing. I wonder how many patients are actually kept hypothyroid on

them.

Take care,

> I should have mentioned in the last post that I think the one reason I

> believe I am losing is that I am off ATDs. When I was on ATDs it was

> difficult.

>

> Debbie R. <*;*>

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie-

You can get just as hypothyroid on ATDs as you can after RAI or

thyroidectomy. Or you can be hypothyroid from other disease processes.

I'm so glad that you've been successful at losing weight. It is interesting

that you couldn't lose it while you were taking ATDs. I think said

the same thing. I wonder how many patients are actually kept hypothyroid on

them.

Take care,

> I should have mentioned in the last post that I think the one reason I

> believe I am losing is that I am off ATDs. When I was on ATDs it was

> difficult.

>

> Debbie R. <*;*>

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie-

You can get just as hypothyroid on ATDs as you can after RAI or

thyroidectomy. Or you can be hypothyroid from other disease processes.

I'm so glad that you've been successful at losing weight. It is interesting

that you couldn't lose it while you were taking ATDs. I think said

the same thing. I wonder how many patients are actually kept hypothyroid on

them.

Take care,

> I should have mentioned in the last post that I think the one reason I

> believe I am losing is that I am off ATDs. When I was on ATDs it was

> difficult.

>

> Debbie R. <*;*>

[Guest guest]

Terry,

Congrats on getting off your Tap! I hope your success continues forever!

Being on the PTU for my eyes has put me in the hypo state again, and am

playing with the doses and my CA/Mag and just trying to get through it. Now

I understand things from 2 points of view, the RAI and now the PTU.

Anyhow, congrats again! Can't wait to hear what your doc says.

Jody

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Terry,

Congrats on getting off your Tap! I hope your success continues forever!

Being on the PTU for my eyes has put me in the hypo state again, and am

playing with the doses and my CA/Mag and just trying to get through it. Now

I understand things from 2 points of view, the RAI and now the PTU.

Anyhow, congrats again! Can't wait to hear what your doc says.

Jody

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Hi Pam,

>>>Well, if you liked the newspaper article, you would had a 'spell'

>>>watching one of the older Oprah shows I glanced at a while back. She had

>>>the rich Dr. Phil on, and he was very convincing that few people have

>>>thyroid problems, and even if they do, they are only using this as an

>>>excuse to not respect themselves enough to stop putting food in their

>>>mouths!!!! Oprah was nodding her head up and down in agreement!!! So

>>>why is Dr. Phil as heavy as he is? I saw this some time ago, and have not

>>>yet gotten over it.<<<<

I saw this show, I was so pizzed! Dr. Phil is not a Doctor in the

traditional sense of the word, and certainly not a medical doctor. Now he

has his son coming into the family business. Oh goody, another obnoxsious,

rude, crude and abusive jerk to put on the airways and write books. If you

search the archives over at about.com (I think you can search them) You will

see the uprising of literally thousands of thyroid patients from there. The

letters that went to Oprah, the boycotts that started because of the jerk,

it was really something.

I still don't watch Oprah when this jerk is on every Tuesday. Why watch

someone verbally abuse and break people down...better yet, why would anyone

want to even see this guy?

TTYL

Jody

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[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

>>>Well, if you liked the newspaper article, you would had a 'spell'

>>>watching one of the older Oprah shows I glanced at a while back. She had

>>>the rich Dr. Phil on, and he was very convincing that few people have

>>>thyroid problems, and even if they do, they are only using this as an

>>>excuse to not respect themselves enough to stop putting food in their

>>>mouths!!!! Oprah was nodding her head up and down in agreement!!! So

>>>why is Dr. Phil as heavy as he is? I saw this some time ago, and have not

>>>yet gotten over it.<<<<

I saw this show, I was so pizzed! Dr. Phil is not a Doctor in the

traditional sense of the word, and certainly not a medical doctor. Now he

has his son coming into the family business. Oh goody, another obnoxsious,

rude, crude and abusive jerk to put on the airways and write books. If you

search the archives over at about.com (I think you can search them) You will

see the uprising of literally thousands of thyroid patients from there. The

letters that went to Oprah, the boycotts that started because of the jerk,

it was really something.

I still don't watch Oprah when this jerk is on every Tuesday. Why watch

someone verbally abuse and break people down...better yet, why would anyone

want to even see this guy?

TTYL

Jody

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