Re: hyper/hypo-weight loss/weight gain

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I've been doing research on an upcoming article on weight gain in

hypothyroidism, and it seems that the doctor who wrote that article hasn't

been doing his homework. There have been several articles published lately

that explain how T3 is inversely related to leptin levels, and leptin

influences weight gain.

In Clinical Endocrinology 55(2), 233-239, there's a very good article, Weight

Gain Following Treatment of Hyperthyroidism, " by Dale et al that concludes:

" We have demonstrated marked weight gain after treatment of hyperthyroidism.

Pre-existing obesity, a diagnosis of Graves' disease and prior weight loss

independently predicted weight gain, and weight continued to rise with time.

(Oh great, I say!). Patients who became hypothyroid, despite T4 replacement,

gained most weight. "

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I've been doing research on an upcoming article on weight gain in

hypothyroidism, and it seems that the doctor who wrote that article hasn't

been doing his homework. There have been several articles published lately

that explain how T3 is inversely related to leptin levels, and leptin

influences weight gain.

In Clinical Endocrinology 55(2), 233-239, there's a very good article, Weight

Gain Following Treatment of Hyperthyroidism, " by Dale et al that concludes:

" We have demonstrated marked weight gain after treatment of hyperthyroidism.

Pre-existing obesity, a diagnosis of Graves' disease and prior weight loss

independently predicted weight gain, and weight continued to rise with time.

(Oh great, I say!). Patients who became hypothyroid, despite T4 replacement,

gained most weight. "

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I've been doing research on an upcoming article on weight gain in

hypothyroidism, and it seems that the doctor who wrote that article hasn't

been doing his homework. There have been several articles published lately

that explain how T3 is inversely related to leptin levels, and leptin

influences weight gain.

In Clinical Endocrinology 55(2), 233-239, there's a very good article, Weight

Gain Following Treatment of Hyperthyroidism, " by Dale et al that concludes:

" We have demonstrated marked weight gain after treatment of hyperthyroidism.

Pre-existing obesity, a diagnosis of Graves' disease and prior weight loss

independently predicted weight gain, and weight continued to rise with time.

(Oh great, I say!). Patients who became hypothyroid, despite T4 replacement,

gained most weight. "

[Guest guest]

Dear

I think it all part of minimizing the effect of Hypo on patients. This is so the

Drs can continue to promote RAI as a good option.

I have been overweight for several years and have to work really hard to loose

any. When I was hyper I stacked it (i was eating heaps). Now I've lost some, but

seem to have stabilized. I will have to work at it to loose more.

It is annoying when Drs discount so many of the symptoms of hypo. They just

don't get it.

Cheers

Caroline

[Guest guest]

Dear

I think it all part of minimizing the effect of Hypo on patients. This is so the

Drs can continue to promote RAI as a good option.

I have been overweight for several years and have to work really hard to loose

any. When I was hyper I stacked it (i was eating heaps). Now I've lost some, but

seem to have stabilized. I will have to work at it to loose more.

It is annoying when Drs discount so many of the symptoms of hypo. They just

don't get it.

Cheers

Caroline

[Guest guest]

Dear

I think it all part of minimizing the effect of Hypo on patients. This is so the

Drs can continue to promote RAI as a good option.

I have been overweight for several years and have to work really hard to loose

any. When I was hyper I stacked it (i was eating heaps). Now I've lost some, but

seem to have stabilized. I will have to work at it to loose more.

It is annoying when Drs discount so many of the symptoms of hypo. They just

don't get it.

Cheers

Caroline

[Guest guest]

Hi Caroline-

There are some, like you did, that gain weight while hyper. Then they

actually loose weight when hypo because the appetite is gone. It doesn't

usually happen but sometimes it does.

That's exactly what I was trying to say. They try to lump us all into the

same category and we are all so different. It just seems so screwy that

they accept that we have different responses to being hyper but we're

supposed to all be the same when we're hypo. To my knowledge, there is no

study that says all hypo patients are the same.

It's a fact, that you can eat the same number of calories as a normal person

when you're hypo and gain more weight. What is this 10 lb. cut-off (I've

heard it many times before)? There is no such cut-off when people are

hyperthyroid (for example, they don't tell hyper people that all they can

lose is 10 lbs no matter what they eat yet they tell hypo patients that's

all that they can gain). It just doesn't make sense to me.

Take care,

> Dear

>

> I think it all part of minimizing the effect of Hypo on patients. This is

so the Drs can continue to promote RAI as a good option.

>

> I have been overweight for several years and have to work really hard to

loose any. When I was hyper I stacked it (i was eating heaps). Now I've lost

some, but seem to have stabilized. I will have to work at it to loose more.

>

> It is annoying when Drs discount so many of the symptoms of hypo. They

just don't get it.

>

> Cheers

> Caroline

[Guest guest]

Hi Caroline-

There are some, like you did, that gain weight while hyper. Then they

actually loose weight when hypo because the appetite is gone. It doesn't

usually happen but sometimes it does.

That's exactly what I was trying to say. They try to lump us all into the

same category and we are all so different. It just seems so screwy that

they accept that we have different responses to being hyper but we're

supposed to all be the same when we're hypo. To my knowledge, there is no

study that says all hypo patients are the same.

It's a fact, that you can eat the same number of calories as a normal person

when you're hypo and gain more weight. What is this 10 lb. cut-off (I've

heard it many times before)? There is no such cut-off when people are

hyperthyroid (for example, they don't tell hyper people that all they can

lose is 10 lbs no matter what they eat yet they tell hypo patients that's

all that they can gain). It just doesn't make sense to me.

Take care,

> Dear

>

> I think it all part of minimizing the effect of Hypo on patients. This is

so the Drs can continue to promote RAI as a good option.

>

> I have been overweight for several years and have to work really hard to

loose any. When I was hyper I stacked it (i was eating heaps). Now I've lost

some, but seem to have stabilized. I will have to work at it to loose more.

>

> It is annoying when Drs discount so many of the symptoms of hypo. They

just don't get it.

>

> Cheers

> Caroline

[Guest guest]

Hi Caroline-

There are some, like you did, that gain weight while hyper. Then they

actually loose weight when hypo because the appetite is gone. It doesn't

usually happen but sometimes it does.

That's exactly what I was trying to say. They try to lump us all into the

same category and we are all so different. It just seems so screwy that

they accept that we have different responses to being hyper but we're

supposed to all be the same when we're hypo. To my knowledge, there is no

study that says all hypo patients are the same.

It's a fact, that you can eat the same number of calories as a normal person

when you're hypo and gain more weight. What is this 10 lb. cut-off (I've

heard it many times before)? There is no such cut-off when people are

hyperthyroid (for example, they don't tell hyper people that all they can

lose is 10 lbs no matter what they eat yet they tell hypo patients that's

all that they can gain). It just doesn't make sense to me.

Take care,

> Dear

>

> I think it all part of minimizing the effect of Hypo on patients. This is

so the Drs can continue to promote RAI as a good option.

>

> I have been overweight for several years and have to work really hard to

loose any. When I was hyper I stacked it (i was eating heaps). Now I've lost

some, but seem to have stabilized. I will have to work at it to loose more.

>

> It is annoying when Drs discount so many of the symptoms of hypo. They

just don't get it.

>

> Cheers

> Caroline

[Guest guest]

,

One could of course argue that women gain weight who are not hyper or hypo,

because we are such a sedentary culture, so it's very hard to prove the

relationship. I look around and see lots and lots of overweight people

everywhere...I doubt all are having thyroid problems. Also, my mom who had

her thyroid removed at age 36, never weighed over 98 lbs. in her life. She

was supplementing thyroid all her life of course.

That said, I gained when hyper. Ate a ton 'cause I was always hungry. I've

gained a bit on ATD's as well, and I know that one of the first things I

notice with going a little hypo is that I immediately and without reason

start gaining again. Was reminded of that just this last few days, in

fact--working my buns off, not eating much, but still putting it on.

Which is part of my decision to jump the gun and stop the tapazole as of

today rather than waiting until Monday when I see the endo and get test

results. It finally dawned on me that not only was I gaining I was getting

constipated, was feeling draggy and sluggish beyond what was appropriate for

even the level of non-stop, intense work I've been doing this month, and my

brain was foggin' up again. It became harder and harder to force that little

1/4 pill down every morning, even though I'd vowed to stay on at least that

much till I saw the doc...and today I woke up tired again, and just couldn't

bear to make myself take it.

So I guess this is my unofficial announcement that I've stopped--at least

until Monday when I see where my endo, but I am willing to bet that I'm no

longer hyper! If I am, as they say, I'll eat my hat.

I'll report back Monday...

Happy holidays to all,

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:05:52 -0800

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: hyper/hypo-weight loss/weight gain

>

> I just got through reading a comment by a doctor in the newspaper. He said

> that you can't blame obesity on hypothyroidism and that people can only gain a

> modest amount of weight from hypothyroidism (10 lbs).

>

> Well! I think that's silly. Doctors have no problem attributing a great

> amount of weight loss to hyperthyroidism. Hypothyroidism is just the opposite

> process so it makes sense that a hypothyroid person could gain a great deal of

> weight.

>

> We're definitely not all the same. For example, I ate huge amounts of food

> and didn't lose a pound when I was very hyper. I still eat a lot (but much

> less than before) and am hypothyroid and didn't gain much. Some people eat

> huge amounts of food constantly and still lose a lot of weight. Doesn't it

> make sense that some hypothyroid people eat very little and still gain a lot

> of weight? It just seems that doctors aren't very consistent about how they

> treat those of us with thyroid disease.

>

> Take care,

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

One could of course argue that women gain weight who are not hyper or hypo,

because we are such a sedentary culture, so it's very hard to prove the

relationship. I look around and see lots and lots of overweight people

everywhere...I doubt all are having thyroid problems. Also, my mom who had

her thyroid removed at age 36, never weighed over 98 lbs. in her life. She

was supplementing thyroid all her life of course.

That said, I gained when hyper. Ate a ton 'cause I was always hungry. I've

gained a bit on ATD's as well, and I know that one of the first things I

notice with going a little hypo is that I immediately and without reason

start gaining again. Was reminded of that just this last few days, in

fact--working my buns off, not eating much, but still putting it on.

Which is part of my decision to jump the gun and stop the tapazole as of

today rather than waiting until Monday when I see the endo and get test

results. It finally dawned on me that not only was I gaining I was getting

constipated, was feeling draggy and sluggish beyond what was appropriate for

even the level of non-stop, intense work I've been doing this month, and my

brain was foggin' up again. It became harder and harder to force that little

1/4 pill down every morning, even though I'd vowed to stay on at least that

much till I saw the doc...and today I woke up tired again, and just couldn't

bear to make myself take it.

So I guess this is my unofficial announcement that I've stopped--at least

until Monday when I see where my endo, but I am willing to bet that I'm no

longer hyper! If I am, as they say, I'll eat my hat.

I'll report back Monday...

Happy holidays to all,

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:05:52 -0800

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: hyper/hypo-weight loss/weight gain

>

> I just got through reading a comment by a doctor in the newspaper. He said

> that you can't blame obesity on hypothyroidism and that people can only gain a

> modest amount of weight from hypothyroidism (10 lbs).

>

> Well! I think that's silly. Doctors have no problem attributing a great

> amount of weight loss to hyperthyroidism. Hypothyroidism is just the opposite

> process so it makes sense that a hypothyroid person could gain a great deal of

> weight.

>

> We're definitely not all the same. For example, I ate huge amounts of food

> and didn't lose a pound when I was very hyper. I still eat a lot (but much

> less than before) and am hypothyroid and didn't gain much. Some people eat

> huge amounts of food constantly and still lose a lot of weight. Doesn't it

> make sense that some hypothyroid people eat very little and still gain a lot

> of weight? It just seems that doctors aren't very consistent about how they

> treat those of us with thyroid disease.

>

> Take care,

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

One could of course argue that women gain weight who are not hyper or hypo,

because we are such a sedentary culture, so it's very hard to prove the

relationship. I look around and see lots and lots of overweight people

everywhere...I doubt all are having thyroid problems. Also, my mom who had

her thyroid removed at age 36, never weighed over 98 lbs. in her life. She

was supplementing thyroid all her life of course.

That said, I gained when hyper. Ate a ton 'cause I was always hungry. I've

gained a bit on ATD's as well, and I know that one of the first things I

notice with going a little hypo is that I immediately and without reason

start gaining again. Was reminded of that just this last few days, in

fact--working my buns off, not eating much, but still putting it on.

Which is part of my decision to jump the gun and stop the tapazole as of

today rather than waiting until Monday when I see the endo and get test

results. It finally dawned on me that not only was I gaining I was getting

constipated, was feeling draggy and sluggish beyond what was appropriate for

even the level of non-stop, intense work I've been doing this month, and my

brain was foggin' up again. It became harder and harder to force that little

1/4 pill down every morning, even though I'd vowed to stay on at least that

much till I saw the doc...and today I woke up tired again, and just couldn't

bear to make myself take it.

So I guess this is my unofficial announcement that I've stopped--at least

until Monday when I see where my endo, but I am willing to bet that I'm no

longer hyper! If I am, as they say, I'll eat my hat.

I'll report back Monday...

Happy holidays to all,

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:05:52 -0800

> To: <graves_support >

> Subject: hyper/hypo-weight loss/weight gain

>

> I just got through reading a comment by a doctor in the newspaper. He said

> that you can't blame obesity on hypothyroidism and that people can only gain a

> modest amount of weight from hypothyroidism (10 lbs).

>

> Well! I think that's silly. Doctors have no problem attributing a great

> amount of weight loss to hyperthyroidism. Hypothyroidism is just the opposite

> process so it makes sense that a hypothyroid person could gain a great deal of

> weight.

>

> We're definitely not all the same. For example, I ate huge amounts of food

> and didn't lose a pound when I was very hyper. I still eat a lot (but much

> less than before) and am hypothyroid and didn't gain much. Some people eat

> huge amounts of food constantly and still lose a lot of weight. Doesn't it

> make sense that some hypothyroid people eat very little and still gain a lot

> of weight? It just seems that doctors aren't very consistent about how they

> treat those of us with thyroid disease.

>

> Take care,

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Well, if you liked the newspaper article, you would had a 'spell' watching one

of the

older Oprah shows I glanced at a while back. She had the rich Dr. Phil on, and

he was very

convincing that few people have thyroid problems, and even if they do, they are

only using

this as an excuse to not respect themselves enough to stop putting food in their

mouths

!!!! Oprah was nodding her head up and down in agreement !!!

So why is Dr. Phil as heavy as he is? I saw this some time ago, and have not yet

gotten

over it.

Way back when I was first hyper I was so hungry, and stayed the same weight no

matter

what I ate...then things got worse and as my muscles wasted away, I kept eating

but then

started to gain more than I could even imagine. It was like I could crawl to

work and home

to the kitchen, but that was all I could manage, so you can figure what that did

to the

weight . Of coarse my doctor said it wasn't thyroid, as hyper symptoms and

weight gain

eliminated that possibility. <sigh> So I plodded on.

We know these things do not fix themselves, so when I finally started to loose,

I thought

at first, all I had to do was eat less and I would be good as new. Then the

moving train

could not be stopped......53 lb. lost in just over a month..Yeah, the thyroid

storm

finally straightened out that mystery.

The thing is, I really think the weight gain or loss with hyper is only a

matter of WHEN

a person is diagnosed.

And gain while hypo....we all know that story. For me, it seems to be a

matter of

degree. The more hypo I get, the less I can stand to eat, but the more I gain in

a day.

Before I found this wonderful list, and others like it, I only knew I was too

hypo when I

started gaining a pound to one and a half pounds a day. So I would calorie

count, and

always keep it under 1000 calories a day, and no matter how few calories I ate,

the weight

was more each morning.

So lets serve Terry's hat to Dr. Phil. :-)

-Pam-

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Well, if you liked the newspaper article, you would had a 'spell' watching one

of the

older Oprah shows I glanced at a while back. She had the rich Dr. Phil on, and

he was very

convincing that few people have thyroid problems, and even if they do, they are

only using

this as an excuse to not respect themselves enough to stop putting food in their

mouths

!!!! Oprah was nodding her head up and down in agreement !!!

So why is Dr. Phil as heavy as he is? I saw this some time ago, and have not yet

gotten

over it.

Way back when I was first hyper I was so hungry, and stayed the same weight no

matter

what I ate...then things got worse and as my muscles wasted away, I kept eating

but then

started to gain more than I could even imagine. It was like I could crawl to

work and home

to the kitchen, but that was all I could manage, so you can figure what that did

to the

weight . Of coarse my doctor said it wasn't thyroid, as hyper symptoms and

weight gain

eliminated that possibility. <sigh> So I plodded on.

We know these things do not fix themselves, so when I finally started to loose,

I thought

at first, all I had to do was eat less and I would be good as new. Then the

moving train

could not be stopped......53 lb. lost in just over a month..Yeah, the thyroid

storm

finally straightened out that mystery.

The thing is, I really think the weight gain or loss with hyper is only a

matter of WHEN

a person is diagnosed.

And gain while hypo....we all know that story. For me, it seems to be a

matter of

degree. The more hypo I get, the less I can stand to eat, but the more I gain in

a day.

Before I found this wonderful list, and others like it, I only knew I was too

hypo when I

started gaining a pound to one and a half pounds a day. So I would calorie

count, and

always keep it under 1000 calories a day, and no matter how few calories I ate,

the weight

was more each morning.

So lets serve Terry's hat to Dr. Phil. :-)

-Pam-

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Well, if you liked the newspaper article, you would had a 'spell' watching one

of the

older Oprah shows I glanced at a while back. She had the rich Dr. Phil on, and

he was very

convincing that few people have thyroid problems, and even if they do, they are

only using

this as an excuse to not respect themselves enough to stop putting food in their

mouths

!!!! Oprah was nodding her head up and down in agreement !!!

So why is Dr. Phil as heavy as he is? I saw this some time ago, and have not yet

gotten

over it.

Way back when I was first hyper I was so hungry, and stayed the same weight no

matter

what I ate...then things got worse and as my muscles wasted away, I kept eating

but then

started to gain more than I could even imagine. It was like I could crawl to

work and home

to the kitchen, but that was all I could manage, so you can figure what that did

to the

weight . Of coarse my doctor said it wasn't thyroid, as hyper symptoms and

weight gain

eliminated that possibility. <sigh> So I plodded on.

We know these things do not fix themselves, so when I finally started to loose,

I thought

at first, all I had to do was eat less and I would be good as new. Then the

moving train

could not be stopped......53 lb. lost in just over a month..Yeah, the thyroid

storm

finally straightened out that mystery.

The thing is, I really think the weight gain or loss with hyper is only a

matter of WHEN

a person is diagnosed.

And gain while hypo....we all know that story. For me, it seems to be a

matter of

degree. The more hypo I get, the less I can stand to eat, but the more I gain in

a day.

Before I found this wonderful list, and others like it, I only knew I was too

hypo when I

started gaining a pound to one and a half pounds a day. So I would calorie

count, and

always keep it under 1000 calories a day, and no matter how few calories I ate,

the weight

was more each morning.

So lets serve Terry's hat to Dr. Phil. :-)

-Pam-

[Guest guest]

LOL Terry,

Lets hope you don't have to figure out how to serve a hat...on a bed of

lettuce with a

garnish, or roasted with some kind of a sauce????

It does seem, we have both reached that wonderful point where , even without

the labs,

there is that time when it becomes kind of a gut instinct as you hold that pill

in your

hand, and just know.

So it sounds like you are getting what you want for Christmas. :-)

I shall keep my fingers and toes crossed for anyway.

-Pam-

[Guest guest]

LOL Terry,

Lets hope you don't have to figure out how to serve a hat...on a bed of

lettuce with a

garnish, or roasted with some kind of a sauce????

It does seem, we have both reached that wonderful point where , even without

the labs,

there is that time when it becomes kind of a gut instinct as you hold that pill

in your

hand, and just know.

So it sounds like you are getting what you want for Christmas. :-)

I shall keep my fingers and toes crossed for anyway.

-Pam-

[Guest guest]

LOL Terry,

Lets hope you don't have to figure out how to serve a hat...on a bed of

lettuce with a

garnish, or roasted with some kind of a sauce????

It does seem, we have both reached that wonderful point where , even without

the labs,

there is that time when it becomes kind of a gut instinct as you hold that pill

in your

hand, and just know.

So it sounds like you are getting what you want for Christmas. :-)

I shall keep my fingers and toes crossed for anyway.

-Pam-

[Guest guest]

Excellent point Caroline,

I think it all part of minimizing the effect of Hypo

on patients. This is so the Drs can continue to

promote RAI as a good option.

I hadn't thought of that!

-Pam-

[Guest guest]

Excellent point Caroline,

I think it all part of minimizing the effect of Hypo

on patients. This is so the Drs can continue to

promote RAI as a good option.

I hadn't thought of that!

-Pam-

[Guest guest]

Excellent point Caroline,

I think it all part of minimizing the effect of Hypo

on patients. This is so the Drs can continue to

promote RAI as a good option.

I hadn't thought of that!

-Pam-

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry-

It's true that we're a sedentary culture, but I was only referring to those

that are hypothyroid. I'm kind of hoping that they might find a

relationship like they have with hyperthyroidism. Hyperthyroidism isn't

constant so it makes sense that hypothyroidism isn't either. I just don't

know why they can't see the parallels (they like to say that patients are

used to eating a lot when hyper and can't stop themselves when hypo-I didn't

feel like I had to eat nearly as much when hypo-I suppose some can't stop

but there is a problem). It took a long time for them to figure out why so

many PCOS patients were obese. For so long they blamed the patient for

eating too much but then they discovered an endocrine problem that they're

treating and these patients are losing a lot of weight (and eating the

same).

It's not consistent. They would never dream of telling a hyper patient that

they're just not eating enough to gain weight. So eat more. Yet they're

perfectly comfortable telling all hypo patients to eat less if they're

gaining weight without investigating the problem.

And, yes, it would be hard to prove since we're so sedentary in the U.S. I

was just pointing out that there are such differences in how we respond to

hyperthyroidism, I don't know why they would think hypothyroidism is so

different. I think thyroid disease screws up metabolism period and there's

no current way to figure out how it's going to be for an individual patient.

I'm so glad that you're off the ATDs (at least til Monday). You've been

working at remission so long. I bet you're right!

Take care,

> ,

>

> One could of course argue that women gain weight who are not hyper or

hypo,

> because we are such a sedentary culture, so it's very hard to prove the

> relationship. I look around and see lots and lots of overweight people

> everywhere...I doubt all are having thyroid problems. Also, my mom who had

> her thyroid removed at age 36, never weighed over 98 lbs. in her life. She

> was supplementing thyroid all her life of course.

>

> That said, I gained when hyper. Ate a ton 'cause I was always hungry. I've

> gained a bit on ATD's as well, and I know that one of the first things I

> notice with going a little hypo is that I immediately and without reason

> start gaining again. Was reminded of that just this last few days, in

> fact--working my buns off, not eating much, but still putting it on.

>

> Which is part of my decision to jump the gun and stop the tapazole as of

> today rather than waiting until Monday when I see the endo and get test

> results. It finally dawned on me that not only was I gaining I was getting

> constipated, was feeling draggy and sluggish beyond what was appropriate

for

> even the level of non-stop, intense work I've been doing this month, and

my

> brain was foggin' up again. It became harder and harder to force that

little

> 1/4 pill down every morning, even though I'd vowed to stay on at least

that

> much till I saw the doc...and today I woke up tired again, and just

couldn't

> bear to make myself take it.

>

> So I guess this is my unofficial announcement that I've stopped--at least

> until Monday when I see where my endo, but I am willing to bet that I'm no

> longer hyper! If I am, as they say, I'll eat my hat.

>

> I'll report back Monday...

>

> Happy holidays to all,

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry-

It's true that we're a sedentary culture, but I was only referring to those

that are hypothyroid. I'm kind of hoping that they might find a

relationship like they have with hyperthyroidism. Hyperthyroidism isn't

constant so it makes sense that hypothyroidism isn't either. I just don't

know why they can't see the parallels (they like to say that patients are

used to eating a lot when hyper and can't stop themselves when hypo-I didn't

feel like I had to eat nearly as much when hypo-I suppose some can't stop

but there is a problem). It took a long time for them to figure out why so

many PCOS patients were obese. For so long they blamed the patient for

eating too much but then they discovered an endocrine problem that they're

treating and these patients are losing a lot of weight (and eating the

same).

It's not consistent. They would never dream of telling a hyper patient that

they're just not eating enough to gain weight. So eat more. Yet they're

perfectly comfortable telling all hypo patients to eat less if they're

gaining weight without investigating the problem.

And, yes, it would be hard to prove since we're so sedentary in the U.S. I

was just pointing out that there are such differences in how we respond to

hyperthyroidism, I don't know why they would think hypothyroidism is so

different. I think thyroid disease screws up metabolism period and there's

no current way to figure out how it's going to be for an individual patient.

I'm so glad that you're off the ATDs (at least til Monday). You've been

working at remission so long. I bet you're right!

Take care,

> ,

>

> One could of course argue that women gain weight who are not hyper or

hypo,

> because we are such a sedentary culture, so it's very hard to prove the

> relationship. I look around and see lots and lots of overweight people

> everywhere...I doubt all are having thyroid problems. Also, my mom who had

> her thyroid removed at age 36, never weighed over 98 lbs. in her life. She

> was supplementing thyroid all her life of course.

>

> That said, I gained when hyper. Ate a ton 'cause I was always hungry. I've

> gained a bit on ATD's as well, and I know that one of the first things I

> notice with going a little hypo is that I immediately and without reason

> start gaining again. Was reminded of that just this last few days, in

> fact--working my buns off, not eating much, but still putting it on.

>

> Which is part of my decision to jump the gun and stop the tapazole as of

> today rather than waiting until Monday when I see the endo and get test

> results. It finally dawned on me that not only was I gaining I was getting

> constipated, was feeling draggy and sluggish beyond what was appropriate

for

> even the level of non-stop, intense work I've been doing this month, and

my

> brain was foggin' up again. It became harder and harder to force that

little

> 1/4 pill down every morning, even though I'd vowed to stay on at least

that

> much till I saw the doc...and today I woke up tired again, and just

couldn't

> bear to make myself take it.

>

> So I guess this is my unofficial announcement that I've stopped--at least

> until Monday when I see where my endo, but I am willing to bet that I'm no

> longer hyper! If I am, as they say, I'll eat my hat.

>

> I'll report back Monday...

>

> Happy holidays to all,

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry-

It's true that we're a sedentary culture, but I was only referring to those

that are hypothyroid. I'm kind of hoping that they might find a

relationship like they have with hyperthyroidism. Hyperthyroidism isn't

constant so it makes sense that hypothyroidism isn't either. I just don't

know why they can't see the parallels (they like to say that patients are

used to eating a lot when hyper and can't stop themselves when hypo-I didn't

feel like I had to eat nearly as much when hypo-I suppose some can't stop

but there is a problem). It took a long time for them to figure out why so

many PCOS patients were obese. For so long they blamed the patient for

eating too much but then they discovered an endocrine problem that they're

treating and these patients are losing a lot of weight (and eating the

same).

It's not consistent. They would never dream of telling a hyper patient that

they're just not eating enough to gain weight. So eat more. Yet they're

perfectly comfortable telling all hypo patients to eat less if they're

gaining weight without investigating the problem.

And, yes, it would be hard to prove since we're so sedentary in the U.S. I

was just pointing out that there are such differences in how we respond to

hyperthyroidism, I don't know why they would think hypothyroidism is so

different. I think thyroid disease screws up metabolism period and there's

no current way to figure out how it's going to be for an individual patient.

I'm so glad that you're off the ATDs (at least til Monday). You've been

working at remission so long. I bet you're right!

Take care,

> ,

>

> One could of course argue that women gain weight who are not hyper or

hypo,

> because we are such a sedentary culture, so it's very hard to prove the

> relationship. I look around and see lots and lots of overweight people

> everywhere...I doubt all are having thyroid problems. Also, my mom who had

> her thyroid removed at age 36, never weighed over 98 lbs. in her life. She

> was supplementing thyroid all her life of course.

>

> That said, I gained when hyper. Ate a ton 'cause I was always hungry. I've

> gained a bit on ATD's as well, and I know that one of the first things I

> notice with going a little hypo is that I immediately and without reason

> start gaining again. Was reminded of that just this last few days, in

> fact--working my buns off, not eating much, but still putting it on.

>

> Which is part of my decision to jump the gun and stop the tapazole as of

> today rather than waiting until Monday when I see the endo and get test

> results. It finally dawned on me that not only was I gaining I was getting

> constipated, was feeling draggy and sluggish beyond what was appropriate

for

> even the level of non-stop, intense work I've been doing this month, and

my

> brain was foggin' up again. It became harder and harder to force that

little

> 1/4 pill down every morning, even though I'd vowed to stay on at least

that

> much till I saw the doc...and today I woke up tired again, and just

couldn't

> bear to make myself take it.

>

> So I guess this is my unofficial announcement that I've stopped--at least

> until Monday when I see where my endo, but I am willing to bet that I'm no

> longer hyper! If I am, as they say, I'll eat my hat.

>

> I'll report back Monday...

>

> Happy holidays to all,

>

[Guest guest]

Huh ???

" We have demonstrated marked weight gain after

treatment of hyperthyroidism.

Pre-existing obesity, a diagnosis of Graves' disease

and prior weight loss

independently predicted weight gain, and weight

continued to rise with time.

What treatment???

Says -Pam- who is taking PTU... which, I noticed the other use for is 'fattening

animals'.... <sigh>,and has been on a super low carb diet for just over 2 weeks

, no

cheating, and has seen ONE pound come and go... = :-o

I checked one of those low carb support groups, and they all loose a lb. a day

at first.

:-(

Oh well, my main reason is less pain, and it works for that, but a little less

weight has

entered my mind now that I find I can do this and be happy. And don't worry, I

will be

adding a few more carbs back, as I work up my nerve....just don't want to hurt,

and this

is SO WONDERFUL !

But logic does tell me, that little 1/4 pill less is more of the real answer.

LOL, so here we are pre Christmas talking about the weight we haven't gained

yet.