Re: From my friend whose son seemed autistic...

[Guest guest]

You tried to reach out and she's not ready for it. In time I promise you

that she will look back and wish she had not been so snotty about it.

Remember though she she is uneducated in autism that she is thinking the

worst.

I had the same thing happen with a mother I met at a playgroup. He wasn't

autistic but was not talking. I called a couple times and gave her a few

websites aprasia etc to look into. She never called me back so I let it go.

I'll reach out twice at most I don't have energy for more than that.

Hugs to Salli

[Guest guest]

Well, if you phrase the email right, sort of " sorry I upset/offended you but I

wish someone had said something to me sooner about Putter. Please let me know

what you find out I would love to know that I was wrong. " type thing.

My question is this, if you had not said the horrible " A word " would she still

have taken her son to get him dx'd?

I don't even want to talk about what I had to go through to get a dx for

Savannah. I am trying to block that out. UGH!

Georga Hackworth

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Re: From my friend whose son seemed autistic...

> You know, I was just thinking that you could send her a response just

asking her to let you know what she finds out.

>

I considered that but then I feared it would sound too much like I was

sitting there waiting for me to be proved right and her to be proved wrong.

Don't like that feeling at all; I would love to be wrong.

I suspect that I will not hear from her again at all unless he does receive

an autism dx. And now I am wondering if she has found the right people to

take him to. A number of weeks ago, before I thought anything about autism

with him at all, I suggested she take him to the early intervention people

at Putter's old school. They know their stuff and they are free, I told her

(can't beat that!) so I hope that is where she is going.

If she gets his hearing evaluated first, which is what I had to do, then it

will be even longer and I do not think she will even hear the word autism.

I did not, just a murmur under the breath when I told the hearing evaluator

that Putter's doctor had said he was not autistic, just a whisper of, " Well,

it does look very like... "

And Putter's psychologist did not run any tests on him, merely telling me

that she knew what others would call it, and I did not dare to ask her to

tell me exactly what others would call it. She knew all about Putter though

and kept pointing out what I thought were unique Putter behaviors and

mentioning that they were typical behaviors among the kids that she saw

(nearly all of whom have autism or Asperger's).

Salli

[Guest guest]

> How very interesting that those of us who are clearly NT are so

> less astute

> on autism than those of us who are probably somewhere on the spectrum (for

> so I do place both Sara and Jacquie).

I am honored!

> So much for theories of empathy. Did you both just recognize something

> that went missed in your own babyhood?

Well, I do think something went missed in my own childhood, but as

Asperger's was unknown at the time...I talked early and well, and otherwise

was simply the classic 4-eyed, nose-in-a-book geeky kid.

What made me think something was going on with ?

The speech was the main thing I was concerned about. He was not meeting

those milestones. In fact he had lost words, something 3 seperate peds

missed, my own beloved one included.

I really did not know how very different was until we moved down

here. I was quite isolated during his infancy as Matt was driving an hour

one-way to work and we only had the one car, so I was not around other moms

and babies of similar ages. I was on a parenting list for babies born in

October of that year ( was early) and when he was maybe 4 months old

I quit the list because I just didn't seem to have a thing in common with

those people. Most of them did not AP and criticized me for doing so; I

could not understand how they could NOT AP and survive, because

would accept nothing less, and even so was a very unhappy baby. How could

they let their 3 month olds cry for hours on end just so they would " learn "

to sleep through the night? (They were not, of course, but nobody ever

said, " You know, she cries for 15 minutes and then goes to sleep...it's

really not that bad. " ) Naturally they thought 's demands were a

direct result of our parenting style. I found AP lists who told me I was

doing a wonderful job and that would be a happier, more secure child

because I was meeting his needs now, and so I stuck with them.

We did live in town with Matt's family, who did not quite seem to know what

to think of the whole thing. I frequently got comments like, " You're

nursing him AGAIN? " and " Don't you ever put him down? " And so I avoided

them too. They could not help me with him anyway; he would not allow it. I

*thought* they were criticizing *me.* Really, I think they were only

commenting on how very different seemed to them, but I can only see

that now looking back. (In my defense, they might have found different ways

of expressing those feelings...)

When we moved here to Ohio, Matt had a friend with 2 young sons, and we

visited them a lot. Her older son had been much like , except he

could not breastfeed - put me in my baby bucket and prop that bottle, please

and thank you! That was the only way he would eat. But she had also had a

second baby, and he had been much different, and she knew a little more

about babies in general I think. She's the one who convinced me was

different -- all that time I had thought the rest of the world was insane,

and they thought the same of me. In reality I was dealing with a very " high

need " baby and doing the best I could figure out with little to no help.

After 's 9 month shots he gradually stopped crawling and talking. By

his 12 month appt he was walking so I was not terribly concerned about

that - I thought it was just a phase, you know, pausing for a month while he

geared up for the next big leap - but his receptive language was nil and he

still had not gained back the words he'd lost. (I saw the tremendous

deficit in receptive language only when Gabe reached 9 months and would cry

when I told him " no. " )

So we are back where I started - focusing on the speech that wasn't. His

physical development was above average; he must be focusing on that and the

language will come a little later. " There's such a wide range of 'normal'

after all. " From the dr who clapped his hands behind 's head and

shouted his name, and got NO response whatsoever: " Oh, they don't do speech

therapy with kids this young. Wait until he's 2. " Etc, etc, etc.

So that is our little story...

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

> How very interesting that those of us who are clearly NT are so

> less astute

> on autism than those of us who are probably somewhere on the spectrum (for

> so I do place both Sara and Jacquie).

I am honored!

> So much for theories of empathy. Did you both just recognize something

> that went missed in your own babyhood?

Well, I do think something went missed in my own childhood, but as

Asperger's was unknown at the time...I talked early and well, and otherwise

was simply the classic 4-eyed, nose-in-a-book geeky kid.

What made me think something was going on with ?

The speech was the main thing I was concerned about. He was not meeting

those milestones. In fact he had lost words, something 3 seperate peds

missed, my own beloved one included.

I really did not know how very different was until we moved down

here. I was quite isolated during his infancy as Matt was driving an hour

one-way to work and we only had the one car, so I was not around other moms

and babies of similar ages. I was on a parenting list for babies born in

October of that year ( was early) and when he was maybe 4 months old

I quit the list because I just didn't seem to have a thing in common with

those people. Most of them did not AP and criticized me for doing so; I

could not understand how they could NOT AP and survive, because

would accept nothing less, and even so was a very unhappy baby. How could

they let their 3 month olds cry for hours on end just so they would " learn "

to sleep through the night? (They were not, of course, but nobody ever

said, " You know, she cries for 15 minutes and then goes to sleep...it's

really not that bad. " ) Naturally they thought 's demands were a

direct result of our parenting style. I found AP lists who told me I was

doing a wonderful job and that would be a happier, more secure child

because I was meeting his needs now, and so I stuck with them.

We did live in town with Matt's family, who did not quite seem to know what

to think of the whole thing. I frequently got comments like, " You're

nursing him AGAIN? " and " Don't you ever put him down? " And so I avoided

them too. They could not help me with him anyway; he would not allow it. I

*thought* they were criticizing *me.* Really, I think they were only

commenting on how very different seemed to them, but I can only see

that now looking back. (In my defense, they might have found different ways

of expressing those feelings...)

When we moved here to Ohio, Matt had a friend with 2 young sons, and we

visited them a lot. Her older son had been much like , except he

could not breastfeed - put me in my baby bucket and prop that bottle, please

and thank you! That was the only way he would eat. But she had also had a

second baby, and he had been much different, and she knew a little more

about babies in general I think. She's the one who convinced me was

different -- all that time I had thought the rest of the world was insane,

and they thought the same of me. In reality I was dealing with a very " high

need " baby and doing the best I could figure out with little to no help.

After 's 9 month shots he gradually stopped crawling and talking. By

his 12 month appt he was walking so I was not terribly concerned about

that - I thought it was just a phase, you know, pausing for a month while he

geared up for the next big leap - but his receptive language was nil and he

still had not gained back the words he'd lost. (I saw the tremendous

deficit in receptive language only when Gabe reached 9 months and would cry

when I told him " no. " )

So we are back where I started - focusing on the speech that wasn't. His

physical development was above average; he must be focusing on that and the

language will come a little later. " There's such a wide range of 'normal'

after all. " From the dr who clapped his hands behind 's head and

shouted his name, and got NO response whatsoever: " Oh, they don't do speech

therapy with kids this young. Wait until he's 2. " Etc, etc, etc.

So that is our little story...

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

Sigh.

I remember doing the AP thing with all seven kids.

Atlanta was an easy baby and was happy no matter what you did with her (now she

is a mouthy 9 year old I just want to strangle). Savannah was a trying child.

The biggest thing I remember with her is that she would scream when she woke up.

She did that until she was about 2. Had trouble going to sleep and when she

woke up she would scream for like 15 mins non-stop. It was horrible. Cherokee

was high need. Refused to be put down. She is still high need. She lets you

know when she needs something and clearly voices her displeasure at 7. Very NT

but very creative and self-proclaimed weird :0). She is very secure in her

weirdness so I don't see any problem. Hee hee. Seirra hated being held, hated

being touched, slept through the night from day one. She resisted AP and would

not even sleep in bed with me and my husband. She is the only child that didn't

want to do that. Cheyenne...I don't remember much about her babyhood for some

reason. It was quite stressful, was unemployed, we ended up moving when

she was a few weeks old to another state then we moved 2 and a half months later

(we were staying with a friend while we found somewhere to live). I remember

she nursed well and didn't fight with being in the sling like Seirra did.

Dakota was a normal baby (wish I could say he is a normal three year old. LOL!

See what I said in another post about Egyptian heiroglyphs). Dalton was a bit

more difficult, high need but I felt within " normal " range, unlike Sierra and

Sierra.

I seem to remember with various children people saying the same things to me

" Why don't you put the baby down? " " Doesn't the child do anything but nurse? "

and such things. I so remember wanting to smack people.

Georga Hackworth

www.ubah.com/F1549 Enter to win $50 in FREE books!

RE: From my friend whose son seemed autistic...

> How very interesting that those of us who are clearly NT are so

> less astute

> on autism than those of us who are probably somewhere on the spectrum (for

> so I do place both Sara and Jacquie).

I am honored!

> So much for theories of empathy. Did you both just recognize something

> that went missed in your own babyhood?

Well, I do think something went missed in my own childhood, but as

Asperger's was unknown at the time...I talked early and well, and otherwise

was simply the classic 4-eyed, nose-in-a-book geeky kid.

What made me think something was going on with ?

The speech was the main thing I was concerned about. He was not meeting

those milestones. In fact he had lost words, something 3 seperate peds

missed, my own beloved one included.

I really did not know how very different was until we moved down

here. I was quite isolated during his infancy as Matt was driving an hour

one-way to work and we only had the one car, so I was not around other moms

and babies of similar ages. I was on a parenting list for babies born in

October of that year ( was early) and when he was maybe 4 months old

I quit the list because I just didn't seem to have a thing in common with

those people. Most of them did not AP and criticized me for doing so; I

could not understand how they could NOT AP and survive, because

would accept nothing less, and even so was a very unhappy baby. How could

they let their 3 month olds cry for hours on end just so they would " learn "

to sleep through the night? (They were not, of course, but nobody ever

said, " You know, she cries for 15 minutes and then goes to sleep...it's

really not that bad. " ) Naturally they thought 's demands were a

direct result of our parenting style. I found AP lists who told me I was

doing a wonderful job and that would be a happier, more secure child

because I was meeting his needs now, and so I stuck with them.

We did live in town with Matt's family, who did not quite seem to know what

to think of the whole thing. I frequently got comments like, " You're

nursing him AGAIN? " and " Don't you ever put him down? " And so I avoided

them too. They could not help me with him anyway; he would not allow it. I

*thought* they were criticizing *me.* Really, I think they were only

commenting on how very different seemed to them, but I can only see

that now looking back. (In my defense, they might have found different ways

of expressing those feelings...)

When we moved here to Ohio, Matt had a friend with 2 young sons, and we

visited them a lot. Her older son had been much like , except he

could not breastfeed - put me in my baby bucket and prop that bottle, please

and thank you! That was the only way he would eat. But she had also had a

second baby, and he had been much different, and she knew a little more

about babies in general I think. She's the one who convinced me was

different -- all that time I had thought the rest of the world was insane,

and they thought the same of me. In reality I was dealing with a very " high

need " baby and doing the best I could figure out with little to no help.

After 's 9 month shots he gradually stopped crawling and talking. By

his 12 month appt he was walking so I was not terribly concerned about

that - I thought it was just a phase, you know, pausing for a month while he

geared up for the next big leap - but his receptive language was nil and he

still had not gained back the words he'd lost. (I saw the tremendous

deficit in receptive language only when Gabe reached 9 months and would cry

when I told him " no. " )

So we are back where I started - focusing on the speech that wasn't. His

physical development was above average; he must be focusing on that and the

language will come a little later. " There's such a wide range of 'normal'

after all. " From the dr who clapped his hands behind 's head and

shouted his name, and got NO response whatsoever: " Oh, they don't do speech

therapy with kids this young. Wait until he's 2. " Etc, etc, etc.

So that is our little story...

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

Sigh.

I remember doing the AP thing with all seven kids.

Atlanta was an easy baby and was happy no matter what you did with her (now she

is a mouthy 9 year old I just want to strangle). Savannah was a trying child.

The biggest thing I remember with her is that she would scream when she woke up.

She did that until she was about 2. Had trouble going to sleep and when she

woke up she would scream for like 15 mins non-stop. It was horrible. Cherokee

was high need. Refused to be put down. She is still high need. She lets you

know when she needs something and clearly voices her displeasure at 7. Very NT

but very creative and self-proclaimed weird :0). She is very secure in her

weirdness so I don't see any problem. Hee hee. Seirra hated being held, hated

being touched, slept through the night from day one. She resisted AP and would

not even sleep in bed with me and my husband. She is the only child that didn't

want to do that. Cheyenne...I don't remember much about her babyhood for some

reason. It was quite stressful, was unemployed, we ended up moving when

she was a few weeks old to another state then we moved 2 and a half months later

(we were staying with a friend while we found somewhere to live). I remember

she nursed well and didn't fight with being in the sling like Seirra did.

Dakota was a normal baby (wish I could say he is a normal three year old. LOL!

See what I said in another post about Egyptian heiroglyphs). Dalton was a bit

more difficult, high need but I felt within " normal " range, unlike Sierra and

Sierra.

I seem to remember with various children people saying the same things to me

" Why don't you put the baby down? " " Doesn't the child do anything but nurse? "

and such things. I so remember wanting to smack people.

Georga Hackworth

www.ubah.com/F1549 Enter to win $50 in FREE books!

RE: From my friend whose son seemed autistic...

> How very interesting that those of us who are clearly NT are so

> less astute

> on autism than those of us who are probably somewhere on the spectrum (for

> so I do place both Sara and Jacquie).

I am honored!

> So much for theories of empathy. Did you both just recognize something

> that went missed in your own babyhood?

Well, I do think something went missed in my own childhood, but as

Asperger's was unknown at the time...I talked early and well, and otherwise

was simply the classic 4-eyed, nose-in-a-book geeky kid.

What made me think something was going on with ?

The speech was the main thing I was concerned about. He was not meeting

those milestones. In fact he had lost words, something 3 seperate peds

missed, my own beloved one included.

I really did not know how very different was until we moved down

here. I was quite isolated during his infancy as Matt was driving an hour

one-way to work and we only had the one car, so I was not around other moms

and babies of similar ages. I was on a parenting list for babies born in

October of that year ( was early) and when he was maybe 4 months old

I quit the list because I just didn't seem to have a thing in common with

those people. Most of them did not AP and criticized me for doing so; I

could not understand how they could NOT AP and survive, because

would accept nothing less, and even so was a very unhappy baby. How could

they let their 3 month olds cry for hours on end just so they would " learn "

to sleep through the night? (They were not, of course, but nobody ever

said, " You know, she cries for 15 minutes and then goes to sleep...it's

really not that bad. " ) Naturally they thought 's demands were a

direct result of our parenting style. I found AP lists who told me I was

doing a wonderful job and that would be a happier, more secure child

because I was meeting his needs now, and so I stuck with them.

We did live in town with Matt's family, who did not quite seem to know what

to think of the whole thing. I frequently got comments like, " You're

nursing him AGAIN? " and " Don't you ever put him down? " And so I avoided

them too. They could not help me with him anyway; he would not allow it. I

*thought* they were criticizing *me.* Really, I think they were only

commenting on how very different seemed to them, but I can only see

that now looking back. (In my defense, they might have found different ways

of expressing those feelings...)

When we moved here to Ohio, Matt had a friend with 2 young sons, and we

visited them a lot. Her older son had been much like , except he

could not breastfeed - put me in my baby bucket and prop that bottle, please

and thank you! That was the only way he would eat. But she had also had a

second baby, and he had been much different, and she knew a little more

about babies in general I think. She's the one who convinced me was

different -- all that time I had thought the rest of the world was insane,

and they thought the same of me. In reality I was dealing with a very " high

need " baby and doing the best I could figure out with little to no help.

After 's 9 month shots he gradually stopped crawling and talking. By

his 12 month appt he was walking so I was not terribly concerned about

that - I thought it was just a phase, you know, pausing for a month while he

geared up for the next big leap - but his receptive language was nil and he

still had not gained back the words he'd lost. (I saw the tremendous

deficit in receptive language only when Gabe reached 9 months and would cry

when I told him " no. " )

So we are back where I started - focusing on the speech that wasn't. His

physical development was above average; he must be focusing on that and the

language will come a little later. " There's such a wide range of 'normal'

after all. " From the dr who clapped his hands behind 's head and

shouted his name, and got NO response whatsoever: " Oh, they don't do speech

therapy with kids this young. Wait until he's 2. " Etc, etc, etc.

So that is our little story...

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

Sigh.

I remember doing the AP thing with all seven kids.

Atlanta was an easy baby and was happy no matter what you did with her (now she

is a mouthy 9 year old I just want to strangle). Savannah was a trying child.

The biggest thing I remember with her is that she would scream when she woke up.

She did that until she was about 2. Had trouble going to sleep and when she

woke up she would scream for like 15 mins non-stop. It was horrible. Cherokee

was high need. Refused to be put down. She is still high need. She lets you

know when she needs something and clearly voices her displeasure at 7. Very NT

but very creative and self-proclaimed weird :0). She is very secure in her

weirdness so I don't see any problem. Hee hee. Seirra hated being held, hated

being touched, slept through the night from day one. She resisted AP and would

not even sleep in bed with me and my husband. She is the only child that didn't

want to do that. Cheyenne...I don't remember much about her babyhood for some

reason. It was quite stressful, was unemployed, we ended up moving when

she was a few weeks old to another state then we moved 2 and a half months later

(we were staying with a friend while we found somewhere to live). I remember

she nursed well and didn't fight with being in the sling like Seirra did.

Dakota was a normal baby (wish I could say he is a normal three year old. LOL!

See what I said in another post about Egyptian heiroglyphs). Dalton was a bit

more difficult, high need but I felt within " normal " range, unlike Sierra and

Sierra.

I seem to remember with various children people saying the same things to me

" Why don't you put the baby down? " " Doesn't the child do anything but nurse? "

and such things. I so remember wanting to smack people.

Georga Hackworth

www.ubah.com/F1549 Enter to win $50 in FREE books!

RE: From my friend whose son seemed autistic...

> How very interesting that those of us who are clearly NT are so

> less astute

> on autism than those of us who are probably somewhere on the spectrum (for

> so I do place both Sara and Jacquie).

I am honored!

> So much for theories of empathy. Did you both just recognize something

> that went missed in your own babyhood?

Well, I do think something went missed in my own childhood, but as

Asperger's was unknown at the time...I talked early and well, and otherwise

was simply the classic 4-eyed, nose-in-a-book geeky kid.

What made me think something was going on with ?

The speech was the main thing I was concerned about. He was not meeting

those milestones. In fact he had lost words, something 3 seperate peds

missed, my own beloved one included.

I really did not know how very different was until we moved down

here. I was quite isolated during his infancy as Matt was driving an hour

one-way to work and we only had the one car, so I was not around other moms

and babies of similar ages. I was on a parenting list for babies born in

October of that year ( was early) and when he was maybe 4 months old

I quit the list because I just didn't seem to have a thing in common with

those people. Most of them did not AP and criticized me for doing so; I

could not understand how they could NOT AP and survive, because

would accept nothing less, and even so was a very unhappy baby. How could

they let their 3 month olds cry for hours on end just so they would " learn "

to sleep through the night? (They were not, of course, but nobody ever

said, " You know, she cries for 15 minutes and then goes to sleep...it's

really not that bad. " ) Naturally they thought 's demands were a

direct result of our parenting style. I found AP lists who told me I was

doing a wonderful job and that would be a happier, more secure child

because I was meeting his needs now, and so I stuck with them.

We did live in town with Matt's family, who did not quite seem to know what

to think of the whole thing. I frequently got comments like, " You're

nursing him AGAIN? " and " Don't you ever put him down? " And so I avoided

them too. They could not help me with him anyway; he would not allow it. I

*thought* they were criticizing *me.* Really, I think they were only

commenting on how very different seemed to them, but I can only see

that now looking back. (In my defense, they might have found different ways

of expressing those feelings...)

When we moved here to Ohio, Matt had a friend with 2 young sons, and we

visited them a lot. Her older son had been much like , except he

could not breastfeed - put me in my baby bucket and prop that bottle, please

and thank you! That was the only way he would eat. But she had also had a

second baby, and he had been much different, and she knew a little more

about babies in general I think. She's the one who convinced me was

different -- all that time I had thought the rest of the world was insane,

and they thought the same of me. In reality I was dealing with a very " high

need " baby and doing the best I could figure out with little to no help.

After 's 9 month shots he gradually stopped crawling and talking. By

his 12 month appt he was walking so I was not terribly concerned about

that - I thought it was just a phase, you know, pausing for a month while he

geared up for the next big leap - but his receptive language was nil and he

still had not gained back the words he'd lost. (I saw the tremendous

deficit in receptive language only when Gabe reached 9 months and would cry

when I told him " no. " )

So we are back where I started - focusing on the speech that wasn't. His

physical development was above average; he must be focusing on that and the

language will come a little later. " There's such a wide range of 'normal'

after all. " From the dr who clapped his hands behind 's head and

shouted his name, and got NO response whatsoever: " Oh, they don't do speech

therapy with kids this young. Wait until he's 2. " Etc, etc, etc.

So that is our little story...

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

> If she gets his hearing evaluated first, which is what I had to do, then

it

> will be even longer and I do not think she will even hear the word autism.

Our hearing eval threw us off the autism course for a couple months because

did, in fact, have 90% hearing loss due to infections. :-( So of

course everything was marked down to that. It was only months later when

the tubes were in and he STILL wasn't talking that anyone started to listen.

:-(

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

> If she gets his hearing evaluated first, which is what I had to do, then

it

> will be even longer and I do not think she will even hear the word autism.

Our hearing eval threw us off the autism course for a couple months because

did, in fact, have 90% hearing loss due to infections. :-( So of

course everything was marked down to that. It was only months later when

the tubes were in and he STILL wasn't talking that anyone started to listen.

:-(

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

> If she gets his hearing evaluated first, which is what I had to do, then

it

> will be even longer and I do not think she will even hear the word autism.

Our hearing eval threw us off the autism course for a couple months because

did, in fact, have 90% hearing loss due to infections. :-( So of

course everything was marked down to that. It was only months later when

the tubes were in and he STILL wasn't talking that anyone started to listen.

:-(

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/3/03 10:25:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

MUOLLO3@... writes:

> it took me about a year and a half...

<~~~ still kinda in denial.

[Guest guest]

> I was the one who kept saying " he'll grow out of it " and " No really, he

does

> say words. He says words to me " " yes, he makes eye contact " and so on --

It must be so much harder this way. :-(

But there's nothing wrong with having had hope, you know.

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

> I was the one who kept saying " he'll grow out of it " and " No really, he

does

> say words. He says words to me " " yes, he makes eye contact " and so on --

It must be so much harder this way. :-(

But there's nothing wrong with having had hope, you know.

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

> I was the one who kept saying " he'll grow out of it " and " No really, he

does

> say words. He says words to me " " yes, he makes eye contact " and so on --

It must be so much harder this way. :-(

But there's nothing wrong with having had hope, you know.

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

Georga, Atlanta, Savannah, Cherokee, Sierra, Cheyenne, Dakota, and Dalton.

And you married a guy named Chris? (just kidding

could not be put down, nursed constantly, slept only pressed up

against me in a certain position from which I could not move all night

long - I thought I was going to get pressure sores on my hip! I literally

sat on the couch and nursed him for up to 2 hours straight - 30 minutes on

one side, switch, 30 minutes on the other side, switch - and just held him

all day long. Anything else, he SCREAMED. And he still screamed for, on

average, 6 hours straight every night till he was about 5 months old.

> Dakota was a normal baby (wish I could say he is a normal three

> year old. LOL! See what I said in another post about Egyptian

> heiroglyphs).

I LOVE it. =)

> I seem to remember with various children people saying the same

> things to me " Why don't you put the baby down? " " Doesn't the

> child do anything but nurse? " and such things. I so remember

> wanting to smack people.

Ayup.

Although I sincerely thought everyone else just let their babies cry all the

time. I felt very sad for the little babies sitting contentedly in their

car seats -- their parents had left them there to cry so often they had

given up saying anything about it.

*ahem*

I have learned some tolerence since then, I hope...

When Gabe came along we had a car seat carrier and I always felt guilty for

leaving him in it when he was perfectly content to sit there and watch the

world go by...

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

Georga, Atlanta, Savannah, Cherokee, Sierra, Cheyenne, Dakota, and Dalton.

And you married a guy named Chris? (just kidding

could not be put down, nursed constantly, slept only pressed up

against me in a certain position from which I could not move all night

long - I thought I was going to get pressure sores on my hip! I literally

sat on the couch and nursed him for up to 2 hours straight - 30 minutes on

one side, switch, 30 minutes on the other side, switch - and just held him

all day long. Anything else, he SCREAMED. And he still screamed for, on

average, 6 hours straight every night till he was about 5 months old.

> Dakota was a normal baby (wish I could say he is a normal three

> year old. LOL! See what I said in another post about Egyptian

> heiroglyphs).

I LOVE it. =)

> I seem to remember with various children people saying the same

> things to me " Why don't you put the baby down? " " Doesn't the

> child do anything but nurse? " and such things. I so remember

> wanting to smack people.

Ayup.

Although I sincerely thought everyone else just let their babies cry all the

time. I felt very sad for the little babies sitting contentedly in their

car seats -- their parents had left them there to cry so often they had

given up saying anything about it.

*ahem*

I have learned some tolerence since then, I hope...

When Gabe came along we had a car seat carrier and I always felt guilty for

leaving him in it when he was perfectly content to sit there and watch the

world go by...

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

Georga, Atlanta, Savannah, Cherokee, Sierra, Cheyenne, Dakota, and Dalton.

And you married a guy named Chris? (just kidding

could not be put down, nursed constantly, slept only pressed up

against me in a certain position from which I could not move all night

long - I thought I was going to get pressure sores on my hip! I literally

sat on the couch and nursed him for up to 2 hours straight - 30 minutes on

one side, switch, 30 minutes on the other side, switch - and just held him

all day long. Anything else, he SCREAMED. And he still screamed for, on

average, 6 hours straight every night till he was about 5 months old.

> Dakota was a normal baby (wish I could say he is a normal three

> year old. LOL! See what I said in another post about Egyptian

> heiroglyphs).

I LOVE it. =)

> I seem to remember with various children people saying the same

> things to me " Why don't you put the baby down? " " Doesn't the

> child do anything but nurse? " and such things. I so remember

> wanting to smack people.

Ayup.

Although I sincerely thought everyone else just let their babies cry all the

time. I felt very sad for the little babies sitting contentedly in their

car seats -- their parents had left them there to cry so often they had

given up saying anything about it.

*ahem*

I have learned some tolerence since then, I hope...

When Gabe came along we had a car seat carrier and I always felt guilty for

leaving him in it when he was perfectly content to sit there and watch the

world go by...

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

Georga, Atlanta, Savannah, Cherokee, Sierra, Cheyenne, Dakota, and Dalton.

Hey! You got the joke :0) Not many people do!

And you married a guy named Chris? (just kidding

Yea, boring Chris. LOL! He makes up for the generic name with is own sort of

weirdness.

> Dakota was a normal baby (wish I could say he is a normal three

> year old. LOL! See what I said in another post about Egyptian

> heiroglyphs).

I LOVE it. =)

We recently painted. The walls were covered in crayon. I currently have a

huge whale that he drew in blue on the living room wall. We also painted over

some jellyfish that he did. Nothing quite as interesting as the heiroglyphs

though.

Ayup.

Although I sincerely thought everyone else just let their babies cry all the

time. I felt very sad for the little babies sitting contentedly in their

car seats -- their parents had left them there to cry so often they had

given up saying anything about it.

I thought that I was the only one that felt that way. Cherokee was attached

to me 24/7, I am not exaggerating here, nursing. She screamed if I put her down

to cook or go to the toliet. Just a difficult baby. She is now a difficult 7

year old. UGH! The child is NT but can still throw a tantrum to rival any ASD

tantrum on the planet (no kidding). She is just really intense and has an

obnoxious way about her to get what she wants. Not obnoxious in that whiney

bratty sort of way that makes you want to smack a kid, but in her own weird

little way that can be equally as annoying when you aren't laughing at her.

It's hard to explain but I can honestly say I have NEVER met a child that comes

close to her in personality. This is a good thing...I don't think the world

could handle it.

*ahem*

I have learned some tolerence since then, I hope...

Me too. Me too.

When Gabe came along we had a car seat carrier and I always felt guilty for

leaving him in it when he was perfectly content to sit there and watch the

world go by...

This was Atlanta. And she was the first. Actually Sierra was like this too

because she hated being touched. Savannah was just unhappy no matter what.

LOL!

Georga

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

> Hey! You got the joke :0) Not many people do!

=)

> We recently painted. The walls were covered in crayon. I

Now what did you use? Did regular paint cover everything? Because I still

have to do this. We have crayon, pen, marker and permanent marker from

about waist height on down. I decided I was only going to re-paint once,

after learned not to draw on the walls anymore. Now we have Gabe

but he's not bad at all.

> I thought that I was the only one that felt that way. Cherokee

> was attached to me 24/7, I am not exaggerating here, nursing.

> She screamed if I put her down to cook or go to the toliet. Just

> a difficult baby.

Yes! That was ! Except he was my first. How did you do it with 2

others, and them so young???

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

> Hey! You got the joke :0) Not many people do!

=)

> We recently painted. The walls were covered in crayon. I

Now what did you use? Did regular paint cover everything? Because I still

have to do this. We have crayon, pen, marker and permanent marker from

about waist height on down. I decided I was only going to re-paint once,

after learned not to draw on the walls anymore. Now we have Gabe

but he's not bad at all.

> I thought that I was the only one that felt that way. Cherokee

> was attached to me 24/7, I am not exaggerating here, nursing.

> She screamed if I put her down to cook or go to the toliet. Just

> a difficult baby.

Yes! That was ! Except he was my first. How did you do it with 2

others, and them so young???

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

Regular paint worked (took a couple coats in some places). You might have to

get something called Killz. It comes in a spray can and you spray it over the

crayon, marker, etc and it primes the wall where you can paint it without

anything bleeding through.

I have no idea how I delt with Cherokee for 14 months like that with two other

kids. I just did. LOL!

Georga Hackworth

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RE: From my friend whose son seemed autistic...

> Hey! You got the joke :0) Not many people do!

=)

> We recently painted. The walls were covered in crayon. I

Now what did you use? Did regular paint cover everything? Because I still

have to do this. We have crayon, pen, marker and permanent marker from

about waist height on down. I decided I was only going to re-paint once,

after learned not to draw on the walls anymore. Now we have Gabe

but he's not bad at all.

> I thought that I was the only one that felt that way. Cherokee

> was attached to me 24/7, I am not exaggerating here, nursing.

> She screamed if I put her down to cook or go to the toliet. Just

> a difficult baby.

Yes! That was ! Except he was my first. How did you do it with 2

others, and them so young???

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

Regular paint worked (took a couple coats in some places). You might have to

get something called Killz. It comes in a spray can and you spray it over the

crayon, marker, etc and it primes the wall where you can paint it without

anything bleeding through.

I have no idea how I delt with Cherokee for 14 months like that with two other

kids. I just did. LOL!

Georga Hackworth

www.ubah.com/F1549 Enter to win $50 in FREE books!

RE: From my friend whose son seemed autistic...

> Hey! You got the joke :0) Not many people do!

=)

> We recently painted. The walls were covered in crayon. I

Now what did you use? Did regular paint cover everything? Because I still

have to do this. We have crayon, pen, marker and permanent marker from

about waist height on down. I decided I was only going to re-paint once,

after learned not to draw on the walls anymore. Now we have Gabe

but he's not bad at all.

> I thought that I was the only one that felt that way. Cherokee

> was attached to me 24/7, I am not exaggerating here, nursing.

> She screamed if I put her down to cook or go to the toliet. Just

> a difficult baby.

Yes! That was ! Except he was my first. How did you do it with 2

others, and them so young???

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

I'm definitely still in denial. I mean, I KNOW he is on the spectrum and

all, but then he'll follow commands, and play with us, and pick out letters

and numbers, and play with a car correctly, and I'll think maybe he'll out

grow it. Then he'll sit on the kitchen floor and spin or freak out

completely over something like not going the same way home, and it's back

again. Course, it's only been a few months since we've gotten the " real "

diagnosis.

ellen

Re: From my friend whose son seemed

autistic...

In a message dated 1/3/03 10:25:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,

MUOLLO3@... writes:

> it took me about a year and a half...

<~~~ still kinda in denial.

[Guest guest]

> > They kept saying, " If she was autistic, you'd know it. "

> >

> > Well DUH!

>

> I was so stupid. I was in such denial.

Not stupid. Never that. I understand being in denial. I wanted

SOOOOOOOOOO badly to believe the doctors when they said she'd outgrow

her speech delay. I didn't want to believe what my gut instinct was

telling me and it took a lot of courage on my part to tell them that

she reminded me of autistic kids I'd seen on TV. When they blew me

off, I thought I was overreacting. But then we'd go home and she

couldn't talk to me, she couldn't tell me what she needed and she'd

get so upset because she couldn't talk.

And I still believe that either the timing was perfect or 's 3rd

DTP made her worse. I have her on video too. The spark in her eyes,

the words (she had about 20, most only vowel sounds and almost

unintelligable even to me), and the eye contact. They were all there.

But then they went away. It killed me to watch the light fade in her

eyes. It was like the bright little girl I knew I had wasn't there

anymore. You can see the difference in her pictures. As a baby she

looked directly at the camera, she was " there " . As she got older, her

eyes wondered and she was off in her own little world. We couldn't

reach her.

It's not stupid to wish, hope and pray that our child is " normal " .

Autism is a very cruel disorder. We have these beautiful little

babies, and we're lured into a false sense of security when they're

healthy and developing at what seems to be a normal pace at first.

Then it's like being hit with a ton of bricks when we realize

something isn't right. Our wonderful little child isn't what we

thought they were. It's not stupid to want to deny that.

Tina

[Guest guest]

> > They kept saying, " If she was autistic, you'd know it. "

> >

> > Well DUH!

>

> I was so stupid. I was in such denial.

Not stupid. Never that. I understand being in denial. I wanted

SOOOOOOOOOO badly to believe the doctors when they said she'd outgrow

her speech delay. I didn't want to believe what my gut instinct was

telling me and it took a lot of courage on my part to tell them that

she reminded me of autistic kids I'd seen on TV. When they blew me

off, I thought I was overreacting. But then we'd go home and she

couldn't talk to me, she couldn't tell me what she needed and she'd

get so upset because she couldn't talk.

And I still believe that either the timing was perfect or 's 3rd

DTP made her worse. I have her on video too. The spark in her eyes,

the words (she had about 20, most only vowel sounds and almost

unintelligable even to me), and the eye contact. They were all there.

But then they went away. It killed me to watch the light fade in her

eyes. It was like the bright little girl I knew I had wasn't there

anymore. You can see the difference in her pictures. As a baby she

looked directly at the camera, she was " there " . As she got older, her

eyes wondered and she was off in her own little world. We couldn't

reach her.

It's not stupid to wish, hope and pray that our child is " normal " .

Autism is a very cruel disorder. We have these beautiful little

babies, and we're lured into a false sense of security when they're

healthy and developing at what seems to be a normal pace at first.

Then it's like being hit with a ton of bricks when we realize

something isn't right. Our wonderful little child isn't what we

thought they were. It's not stupid to want to deny that.

Tina