Re: Urgent rT3-question!!! (low body temps!) Latest rT3 in!

[Guest guest]

Well, this CAN be rT3-related, so I'm gonna write about it here:

My bowel movements. They've been weird for 2 years. Since BEFORE T3-med was

removed from me, it has been weird going in the bathroom. Things are way too

loose, and too lightly colored.

Can rT3 have started making my intestines Hypothyroid, before the rest of my

body? If rT3 blocked the effect of T3 when I was on my old " full " dose of 100

mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3 daily (I was on that dose for 4 years without much

problems) thus giving me bowel movement issues?

Gluten. It can also be an intolerance to gluten. That's why I've been going

through the hell that it is so eat gluten-free, for the past 1 1/2 years. It's

SO boring and I get pretty sick of eating only the same salmon, steaks and

salads every say. I miss bread. And the darkest bread (100% wholegrain, from

Denmark/Germany) is HEALTHY too! So I would do better if I just ate some bread.

But not if I have gluten-intolerance. Which I am not sure about. I did the blood

sample. It said I could have it. So I did the biopsy (painful as hell!) which

came out negative. HOWEVER, I did the huge mistake of eating gluten-free for 1

month before I took that biopsy. I ate normal food with gluten in the last 5

days before the biopsy was done, but I don't think it was enough to make any

difference down there in my intestines. I feel like an idiot - I have been

eating gluten-free for 1 1/2 years and I don't even know if I need to! See, I

stopped eating gluten because I was so sick last year, and I didn't know why!

Somehow the idiot docs convinced me that I was no Hypothyroid and did not need

any T4/T3-meds at all. So they removed my T3-med, and dosed down my T4... I got

worse and worse, and finally this June, I got a new specialist, HC and some new

diagnoses (Hypothyroidism Type 2 and Adrenal Fatigue) - I've been feeling better

on HC, that's for sure. BUT I still feel like a total mess. I am less sleepy in

the daytime with HC. But something is still wrong.

rT3. Gluten-Intolerance. Can it be a mix of these two? Or just rT3...

My Ferritin can have suffered (in the 40s now) from stopping eating bread and

other stuff with Iron in it.

*sigh*

[Guest guest]

I am aware of the hypoglycemia-issue, and maybe I have that. What I did was to

drink a small glass of water with 1/3 teaspoon of sea salt in it.. Don't know if

that made any difference. I also ate some brown rice at some point, can't

remember when. I do eat often. At least every 2 hours. An apple. A kiwi. I find

eating difficult as I can't eat " most things " (this is how I feel about it).

I am a little worried about HC - I think it has given me a Cushings body in the

past 6 months on it. My legs, hands and arms are skinny. The rest is not. And it

pretty much happened after I started taking HC. I gained some weight while I was

tapering off of T4 (my insane doctor form last year really wanted me off ALL

thyroid meds), but it wasn't more than 15-16 lbs over a period of 17 months.

However, in these past 6 months, while on HC, I've gained an ADDITIONAL 35 lbs!

So there is someting that does not make sense to me..

>

> Wel you need to get UNHYPO but to do that oyu need ot get enough

> cortiosl first,. Did oyu eat maybe? thta may have been form low cortiosl

> hypoglycemia too.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

I am aware of the hypoglycemia-issue, and maybe I have that. What I did was to

drink a small glass of water with 1/3 teaspoon of sea salt in it.. Don't know if

that made any difference. I also ate some brown rice at some point, can't

remember when. I do eat often. At least every 2 hours. An apple. A kiwi. I find

eating difficult as I can't eat " most things " (this is how I feel about it).

I am a little worried about HC - I think it has given me a Cushings body in the

past 6 months on it. My legs, hands and arms are skinny. The rest is not. And it

pretty much happened after I started taking HC. I gained some weight while I was

tapering off of T4 (my insane doctor form last year really wanted me off ALL

thyroid meds), but it wasn't more than 15-16 lbs over a period of 17 months.

However, in these past 6 months, while on HC, I've gained an ADDITIONAL 35 lbs!

So there is someting that does not make sense to me..

>

> Wel you need to get UNHYPO but to do that oyu need ot get enough

> cortiosl first,. Did oyu eat maybe? thta may have been form low cortiosl

> hypoglycemia too.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

I was pretty fine for 10 years on T4 and later on the T4/T3 combo, compared to

This...

I look in the mirror, and I see my hypo-face coming back. I just can't believe

it's really happening.

Can anyone give me an example of a T3-only plan? And how to switch from ERFA

Thyroid/T4 like I'm taking now?

[Guest guest]

I was pretty fine for 10 years on T4 and later on the T4/T3 combo, compared to

This...

I look in the mirror, and I see my hypo-face coming back. I just can't believe

it's really happening.

Can anyone give me an example of a T3-only plan? And how to switch from ERFA

Thyroid/T4 like I'm taking now?

[Guest guest]

Thanks.

But my Ferritin is too low. in the 40s..... I can't take T3-only now!

>

> >Can anyone give me an example of a T3-only plan? And how to switch from ERFA

Thyroid/T4 like I'm taking now?

>

> From where you are stop all T4 and Erfa completely

>

> Day 1 to 3 take 12.5 of T3 in 2 doses morning and evening (6.25 each)

>

> Day 4 for the next week take 25 of T4 in 4 doses a day (of 6.25 each)

>

> From there dose as per this

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

>

> Checking out pulse and temperature each time you MIGHT need to

> increase. Take it steady and not too slow or quick, listen to your

> body

>

> You will be increasing T3 as your T4 levels decay so there will be

> weeks of increases.

>

> Good luck

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks.

But my Ferritin is too low. in the 40s..... I can't take T3-only now!

>

> >Can anyone give me an example of a T3-only plan? And how to switch from ERFA

Thyroid/T4 like I'm taking now?

>

> From where you are stop all T4 and Erfa completely

>

> Day 1 to 3 take 12.5 of T3 in 2 doses morning and evening (6.25 each)

>

> Day 4 for the next week take 25 of T4 in 4 doses a day (of 6.25 each)

>

> From there dose as per this

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

>

> Checking out pulse and temperature each time you MIGHT need to

> increase. Take it steady and not too slow or quick, listen to your

> body

>

> You will be increasing T3 as your T4 levels decay so there will be

> weeks of increases.

>

> Good luck

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply Nick!

I have taken 25 mg Amino Iron (Ferrochel type) on and off for 2 months, cause I

didn't know what to do with the dose of that specific type of Iron, even if I

read the STTM page, and other pages about taking Iron.

Right now I take 2 x 25 mg of that Iron every midnight before going to bed. At

least 4 hours after I take my last ERFA dose.

PS! I woke up now, it's noon, and my face feels puffier than ever! It's

horrible! I'm constantly brainstorming myself... " Is it too much HC doing this

to me? Is it the rT3 increasing, blocking the T3, creating fluid retention? Am I

dirnking too much OR too little salt? " - It sucks... Cause it's impossible to

tell!

>

> >But my Ferritin is too low. in the 40s..... I can't take T3-only now!

>

> You also won't get the benefit of the Erfa, (or the T4). Until you get

> that ferritin up you are not going to be able to tolerate enough of

> anything to do really well.

>

> What iron are you taking and how much a day??

>

> Nick

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply Nick!

I have taken 25 mg Amino Iron (Ferrochel type) on and off for 2 months, cause I

didn't know what to do with the dose of that specific type of Iron, even if I

read the STTM page, and other pages about taking Iron.

Right now I take 2 x 25 mg of that Iron every midnight before going to bed. At

least 4 hours after I take my last ERFA dose.

PS! I woke up now, it's noon, and my face feels puffier than ever! It's

horrible! I'm constantly brainstorming myself... " Is it too much HC doing this

to me? Is it the rT3 increasing, blocking the T3, creating fluid retention? Am I

dirnking too much OR too little salt? " - It sucks... Cause it's impossible to

tell!

>

> >But my Ferritin is too low. in the 40s..... I can't take T3-only now!

>

> You also won't get the benefit of the Erfa, (or the T4). Until you get

> that ferritin up you are not going to be able to tolerate enough of

> anything to do really well.

>

> What iron are you taking and how much a day??

>

> Nick

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply Nick!

I have taken 25 mg Amino Iron (Ferrochel type) on and off for 2 months, cause I

didn't know what to do with the dose of that specific type of Iron, even if I

read the STTM page, and other pages about taking Iron.

Right now I take 2 x 25 mg of that Iron every midnight before going to bed. At

least 4 hours after I take my last ERFA dose.

PS! I woke up now, it's noon, and my face feels puffier than ever! It's

horrible! I'm constantly brainstorming myself... " Is it too much HC doing this

to me? Is it the rT3 increasing, blocking the T3, creating fluid retention? Am I

dirnking too much OR too little salt? " - It sucks... Cause it's impossible to

tell!

>

> >But my Ferritin is too low. in the 40s..... I can't take T3-only now!

>

> You also won't get the benefit of the Erfa, (or the T4). Until you get

> that ferritin up you are not going to be able to tolerate enough of

> anything to do really well.

>

> What iron are you taking and how much a day??

>

> Nick

[Guest guest]

By the way, in Norway, we only have normal T3, not slow-release, (which is not

good anyway, right?) BUT the main thing is that one pill is 20 mcg. They come in

that strength only.

I can split it easily in two, and get 10 mcg pieces. But splitting it in 4, down

to 5 mcg pieces, is VERY hard. The pieces often become uneven. So I don't know

how to do this?

>

> >Can anyone give me an example of a T3-only plan? And how to switch from ERFA

Thyroid/T4 like I'm taking now?

>

> From where you are stop all T4 and Erfa completely

>

> Day 1 to 3 take 12.5 of T3 in 2 doses morning and evening (6.25 each)

>

> Day 4 for the next week take 25 of T4 in 4 doses a day (of 6.25 each)

>

> From there dose as per this

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

>

> Checking out pulse and temperature each time you MIGHT need to

> increase. Take it steady and not too slow or quick, listen to your

> body

>

> You will be increasing T3 as your T4 levels decay so there will be

> weeks of increases.

>

> Good luck

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

By the way, in Norway, we only have normal T3, not slow-release, (which is not

good anyway, right?) BUT the main thing is that one pill is 20 mcg. They come in

that strength only.

I can split it easily in two, and get 10 mcg pieces. But splitting it in 4, down

to 5 mcg pieces, is VERY hard. The pieces often become uneven. So I don't know

how to do this?

>

> >Can anyone give me an example of a T3-only plan? And how to switch from ERFA

Thyroid/T4 like I'm taking now?

>

> From where you are stop all T4 and Erfa completely

>

> Day 1 to 3 take 12.5 of T3 in 2 doses morning and evening (6.25 each)

>

> Day 4 for the next week take 25 of T4 in 4 doses a day (of 6.25 each)

>

> From there dose as per this

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

>

> Checking out pulse and temperature each time you MIGHT need to

> increase. Take it steady and not too slow or quick, listen to your

> body

>

> You will be increasing T3 as your T4 levels decay so there will be

> weeks of increases.

>

> Good luck

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

By the way, in Norway, we only have normal T3, not slow-release, (which is not

good anyway, right?) BUT the main thing is that one pill is 20 mcg. They come in

that strength only.

I can split it easily in two, and get 10 mcg pieces. But splitting it in 4, down

to 5 mcg pieces, is VERY hard. The pieces often become uneven. So I don't know

how to do this?

>

> >Can anyone give me an example of a T3-only plan? And how to switch from ERFA

Thyroid/T4 like I'm taking now?

>

> From where you are stop all T4 and Erfa completely

>

> Day 1 to 3 take 12.5 of T3 in 2 doses morning and evening (6.25 each)

>

> Day 4 for the next week take 25 of T4 in 4 doses a day (of 6.25 each)

>

> From there dose as per this

>

> http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

>

> Checking out pulse and temperature each time you MIGHT need to

> increase. Take it steady and not too slow or quick, listen to your

> body

>

> You will be increasing T3 as your T4 levels decay so there will be

> weeks of increases.

>

> Good luck

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Ok. Thanks for these words of advice. You're still on T3-only, Nick?

I have a crappy pill-splitter, but it's so bad, it's like a joke. Out of 5 ERFA

Thyroid tablets, I would get 1 tablet split in two, and the rest would end up as

dust and small pieces, and get thrown away. I can't swallow Thyroid powder!

As for changing 50 mcg T4 and 1 grain Thyroid daily, 10 mkg T3 seems little, but

I understand that's how it goes in the beginning. Cause all that T4 isn't used

like T3 is when I take it. I know that much. It's supposed to be converted. BUT

IS IT..... In my case..... I don't know! Probably not like it should. Hence rT3.

I will at least take my Thyroid today. 1 grain, and probably skip those 50 mcgs

of synthetic T4.

I will also do a Ferritin test today, even if I haven't stopped taking Iron for

3-5 days before the test.

> You can work in 10mcg increments where the web suggests 12.5

>

> If you use a knife or a razor blade you may be able to split one of

> those halves into 2. If it is uneven it does not matter, just take the

> 2 parts one after the other and it will average out. It does not

> matter if you take 3mcg and 3 hours later take 7, it's near enough

[Guest guest]

Ok. Thanks for these words of advice. You're still on T3-only, Nick?

I have a crappy pill-splitter, but it's so bad, it's like a joke. Out of 5 ERFA

Thyroid tablets, I would get 1 tablet split in two, and the rest would end up as

dust and small pieces, and get thrown away. I can't swallow Thyroid powder!

As for changing 50 mcg T4 and 1 grain Thyroid daily, 10 mkg T3 seems little, but

I understand that's how it goes in the beginning. Cause all that T4 isn't used

like T3 is when I take it. I know that much. It's supposed to be converted. BUT

IS IT..... In my case..... I don't know! Probably not like it should. Hence rT3.

I will at least take my Thyroid today. 1 grain, and probably skip those 50 mcgs

of synthetic T4.

I will also do a Ferritin test today, even if I haven't stopped taking Iron for

3-5 days before the test.

> You can work in 10mcg increments where the web suggests 12.5

>

> If you use a knife or a razor blade you may be able to split one of

> those halves into 2. If it is uneven it does not matter, just take the

> 2 parts one after the other and it will average out. It does not

> matter if you take 3mcg and 3 hours later take 7, it's near enough

[Guest guest]

Ok. Thanks for these words of advice. You're still on T3-only, Nick?

I have a crappy pill-splitter, but it's so bad, it's like a joke. Out of 5 ERFA

Thyroid tablets, I would get 1 tablet split in two, and the rest would end up as

dust and small pieces, and get thrown away. I can't swallow Thyroid powder!

As for changing 50 mcg T4 and 1 grain Thyroid daily, 10 mkg T3 seems little, but

I understand that's how it goes in the beginning. Cause all that T4 isn't used

like T3 is when I take it. I know that much. It's supposed to be converted. BUT

IS IT..... In my case..... I don't know! Probably not like it should. Hence rT3.

I will at least take my Thyroid today. 1 grain, and probably skip those 50 mcgs

of synthetic T4.

I will also do a Ferritin test today, even if I haven't stopped taking Iron for

3-5 days before the test.

> You can work in 10mcg increments where the web suggests 12.5

>

> If you use a knife or a razor blade you may be able to split one of

> those halves into 2. If it is uneven it does not matter, just take the

> 2 parts one after the other and it will average out. It does not

> matter if you take 3mcg and 3 hours later take 7, it's near enough

[Guest guest]

Val,

I am still worried that I am one of the few that don't tolerate HC

very well. I've gotten more and more bloated after starting HC.

I am still at 20 mg's.

Took an extra 2.5 mg last night before going to bed, as a stress-dose,

in case I needed it. Was shaking a little. Possibly from just being

sleepy. Didn't sleep for 3 hours.

Woke up naturally at 7:45 am now. Haven't gotten up this early in

YEARS!

Took my HC and ERFA (1/2 grain) now at 9 am. 3-4 hours before I

usually get up and take those meds.

Is that OK? To switch the time like that?

>

> This is a low cortiosl sympotm. Iwoudl lower your T3 a BIT not stop it,

> and raise HC to at least 25mg a day.

[Guest guest]

Val,

I am still worried that I am one of the few that don't tolerate HC

very well. I've gotten more and more bloated after starting HC.

I am still at 20 mg's.

Took an extra 2.5 mg last night before going to bed, as a stress-dose,

in case I needed it. Was shaking a little. Possibly from just being

sleepy. Didn't sleep for 3 hours.

Woke up naturally at 7:45 am now. Haven't gotten up this early in

YEARS!

Took my HC and ERFA (1/2 grain) now at 9 am. 3-4 hours before I

usually get up and take those meds.

Is that OK? To switch the time like that?

>

> This is a low cortiosl sympotm. Iwoudl lower your T3 a BIT not stop it,

> and raise HC to at least 25mg a day.

[Guest guest]

AND I still feel something in my lungs - Like a hand is gripping around

my heart. BUT I especially feel it when I breathe, so it can be the

left lung. Like something is IN there. Slime or, whatever. Hope it's

not a blood clot building up. I wonder what this is, and I would like to

find out! Do you think it can be related to Ferritin and the 9 mcgs of

T3 I am getting my 1 grain ERFA Thyroid daily?

My specialist said I could either raise to 1 1/2 grain daily today, OR

take just T3, 10 mcgs split in 2 doses (5+5) with 4 hours in between

them.

That would be one dose at 9 am and one dose at 1 pm, IF I would take

T3-only. I still took my ERFA Thyroid today.

But I wonder... If I am starting at 10 mcg T3. And the last dose is at

1 pm. How can I get thru the rest of the day with no T3 in my system?

What about the evening, at 6 pm and so on?

T.

[Guest guest]

AND I still feel something in my lungs - Like a hand is gripping around

my heart. BUT I especially feel it when I breathe, so it can be the

left lung. Like something is IN there. Slime or, whatever. Hope it's

not a blood clot building up. I wonder what this is, and I would like to

find out! Do you think it can be related to Ferritin and the 9 mcgs of

T3 I am getting my 1 grain ERFA Thyroid daily?

My specialist said I could either raise to 1 1/2 grain daily today, OR

take just T3, 10 mcgs split in 2 doses (5+5) with 4 hours in between

them.

That would be one dose at 9 am and one dose at 1 pm, IF I would take

T3-only. I still took my ERFA Thyroid today.

But I wonder... If I am starting at 10 mcg T3. And the last dose is at

1 pm. How can I get thru the rest of the day with no T3 in my system?

What about the evening, at 6 pm and so on?

T.

[Guest guest]

That's it - I never had much variation in my temperatures.

They are the same now as they were BEFORE I took HC!

So I don't have that guidance to help me!

You're more for a T3-only treatment, huh...

Well, I could raise ERFA with 1/2 grain today, bring it up to a

total of 1 1/2 grains. I will feel the T3 immediately, of course.

So I will know if I tolerate another 4.5 mcg T3 with that raise or

not.

BUT shouldn't I increase with 1/2 grain in the morning, like at 9 am,

with I took my first 1/2 grain? My specialist recommended an increase

like that instead of taking more later in the day. Like 3 x 1/2, or

1/2 + 1 grain.

T.

>

> >AND I still feel something in my lungs - Like a hand is gripping around

> >my heart. BUT I especially feel it when I breathe, so it can be the

> >left lung. Like something is IN there. Slime or, whatever. Hope it's

> >not a blood clot building up. I wonder what this is, and I would like to

> >find out! Do you think it can be related to Ferritin and the 9 mcgs of

> >T3 I am getting my 1 grain ERFA Thyroid daily?

>

> I doubt it is related other than your whole metabolism being slow and

> you being worried.

> >

> >My specialist said I could either raise to 1 1/2 grain daily today, OR

> >take just T3, 10 mcgs split in 2 doses (5+5) with 4 hours in between

> >them.

> >

> Sounds sensible as long as T3 only raised again in a few days

>

> >That would be one dose at 9 am and one dose at 1 pm, IF I would take

> >T3-only. I still took my ERFA Thyroid today.

>

> That would be a suitable starting point

> >

> >But I wonder... If I am starting at 10 mcg T3. And the last dose is at

> >1 pm. How can I get thru the rest of the day with no T3 in my system?

> >What about the evening, at 6 pm and so on?

>

> You will be OK, there will still be residual conversion from the T4,

> that will take weeks to fade away

>

> In a few days you will need to increase T3 again as per the schedule

> on the web site.

>

> For the first few days, and any time you are planning an increase you

> need to record pulse and temperatures

>

> You need that information to decide if an increase is needed or safe.

>

> Temperature will also tell you if you are on enough HC, you may well

> need an increase.

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

That's it - I never had much variation in my temperatures.

They are the same now as they were BEFORE I took HC!

So I don't have that guidance to help me!

You're more for a T3-only treatment, huh...

Well, I could raise ERFA with 1/2 grain today, bring it up to a

total of 1 1/2 grains. I will feel the T3 immediately, of course.

So I will know if I tolerate another 4.5 mcg T3 with that raise or

not.

BUT shouldn't I increase with 1/2 grain in the morning, like at 9 am,

with I took my first 1/2 grain? My specialist recommended an increase

like that instead of taking more later in the day. Like 3 x 1/2, or

1/2 + 1 grain.

T.

>

> >AND I still feel something in my lungs - Like a hand is gripping around

> >my heart. BUT I especially feel it when I breathe, so it can be the

> >left lung. Like something is IN there. Slime or, whatever. Hope it's

> >not a blood clot building up. I wonder what this is, and I would like to

> >find out! Do you think it can be related to Ferritin and the 9 mcgs of

> >T3 I am getting my 1 grain ERFA Thyroid daily?

>

> I doubt it is related other than your whole metabolism being slow and

> you being worried.

> >

> >My specialist said I could either raise to 1 1/2 grain daily today, OR

> >take just T3, 10 mcgs split in 2 doses (5+5) with 4 hours in between

> >them.

> >

> Sounds sensible as long as T3 only raised again in a few days

>

> >That would be one dose at 9 am and one dose at 1 pm, IF I would take

> >T3-only. I still took my ERFA Thyroid today.

>

> That would be a suitable starting point

> >

> >But I wonder... If I am starting at 10 mcg T3. And the last dose is at

> >1 pm. How can I get thru the rest of the day with no T3 in my system?

> >What about the evening, at 6 pm and so on?

>

> You will be OK, there will still be residual conversion from the T4,

> that will take weeks to fade away

>

> In a few days you will need to increase T3 again as per the schedule

> on the web site.

>

> For the first few days, and any time you are planning an increase you

> need to record pulse and temperatures

>

> You need that information to decide if an increase is needed or safe.

>

> Temperature will also tell you if you are on enough HC, you may well

> need an increase.

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Why am I Lowering my cortisol? I've been on 20 mg pretty much every day since

June!

Thanks.

T.

>

> 20 mg is not enough adn it is unlikely oyu will ever tolerate T3 with

> that low dose. Most men need 35-45mg a day. All you are doing is

> lwoering your own cortisol and not replaceing as much as you are

> lwoering ti.

>

[Guest guest]

Why am I Lowering my cortisol? I've been on 20 mg pretty much every day since

June!

Thanks.

T.

>

> 20 mg is not enough adn it is unlikely oyu will ever tolerate T3 with

> that low dose. Most men need 35-45mg a day. All you are doing is

> lwoering your own cortisol and not replaceing as much as you are

> lwoering ti.

>

[Guest guest]

Why am I Lowering my cortisol? I've been on 20 mg pretty much every day since

June!

Thanks.

T.

>

> 20 mg is not enough adn it is unlikely oyu will ever tolerate T3 with

> that low dose. Most men need 35-45mg a day. All you are doing is

> lwoering your own cortisol and not replaceing as much as you are

> lwoering ti.

>