Re: Urgent rT3-question!!! (low body temps!) Latest rT3 in!

[Guest guest]

Ok, so here are my latest results, fresh from the lab:

TSH 1.20 (0.5 - 3.6 mlE/l)

FT4 12.6 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

FT3 6.4 (3.5 - 7.8 pmol/l)

rT3 - 0.43 (0.14 - 0.54 nmol/l)

TT4 125 (60 - 150 nmol/l)

TT3 2.3 (1.2 - 2.7 nmol/l)

TBG 22.3 (12 - 28 mg/l)

+

anti tpo <10

anto tyroglobulin <20

TRAS - not complete yet (but it's always nothing)

What do you think, folks? I am not sure how I feel on 1 grain ERFA Thyroid, yet.

Something is happening with me, I can feel it, but I am not sure what. Maybe I

should just wait and see, and do another rT3 test in a week or so?

[Guest guest]

Ok, so here are my latest results, fresh from the lab:

TSH 1.20 (0.5 - 3.6 mlE/l)

FT4 12.6 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

FT3 6.4 (3.5 - 7.8 pmol/l)

rT3 - 0.43 (0.14 - 0.54 nmol/l)

TT4 125 (60 - 150 nmol/l)

TT3 2.3 (1.2 - 2.7 nmol/l)

TBG 22.3 (12 - 28 mg/l)

+

anti tpo <10

anto tyroglobulin <20

TRAS - not complete yet (but it's always nothing)

What do you think, folks? I am not sure how I feel on 1 grain ERFA Thyroid, yet.

Something is happening with me, I can feel it, but I am not sure what. Maybe I

should just wait and see, and do another rT3 test in a week or so?

[Guest guest]

Ok, so here are my latest results, fresh from the lab:

TSH 1.20 (0.5 - 3.6 mlE/l)

FT4 12.6 (8 - 20 pmol/l)

FT3 6.4 (3.5 - 7.8 pmol/l)

rT3 - 0.43 (0.14 - 0.54 nmol/l)

TT4 125 (60 - 150 nmol/l)

TT3 2.3 (1.2 - 2.7 nmol/l)

TBG 22.3 (12 - 28 mg/l)

+

anti tpo <10

anto tyroglobulin <20

TRAS - not complete yet (but it's always nothing)

What do you think, folks? I am not sure how I feel on 1 grain ERFA Thyroid, yet.

Something is happening with me, I can feel it, but I am not sure what. Maybe I

should just wait and see, and do another rT3 test in a week or so?

[Guest guest]

I understand. Thank you, Val.

I will forward these results, and these words, to my specialist right now.

Have a great Friday!

>

> Your FT3/RT3 ratio is 14.8 so too low in spite of having quite good FT3

> levels. This is why you don't; feel right. And until you get rid of the

> RT3 or knock it WAY down with T3 ONLY you are unlikely to feel good.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

I understand. Thank you, Val.

I will forward these results, and these words, to my specialist right now.

Have a great Friday!

>

> Your FT3/RT3 ratio is 14.8 so too low in spite of having quite good FT3

> levels. This is why you don't; feel right. And until you get rid of the

> RT3 or knock it WAY down with T3 ONLY you are unlikely to feel good.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

I understand. Thank you, Val.

I will forward these results, and these words, to my specialist right now.

Have a great Friday!

>

> Your FT3/RT3 ratio is 14.8 so too low in spite of having quite good FT3

> levels. This is why you don't; feel right. And until you get rid of the

> RT3 or knock it WAY down with T3 ONLY you are unlikely to feel good.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

One quick question: How fast will HC and ERFA Thyroid be absorbed into the

tummy? I very, very often (like almost every day) have bowel movement problems.

Things are not too hard, to put it that way. I am just worried that I'm getting

rid of my pills before they get absorbed properly.

[Guest guest]

One quick question: How fast will HC and ERFA Thyroid be absorbed into the

tummy? I very, very often (like almost every day) have bowel movement problems.

Things are not too hard, to put it that way. I am just worried that I'm getting

rid of my pills before they get absorbed properly.

[Guest guest]

One quick question: How fast will HC and ERFA Thyroid be absorbed into the

tummy? I very, very often (like almost every day) have bowel movement problems.

Things are not too hard, to put it that way. I am just worried that I'm getting

rid of my pills before they get absorbed properly.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply, Nick!

I know I am undermedicated, I've been so for almost 2 years now. But things will

hopefully change soon!

However, I want to learn more about the whole rT3-thing.

Like, if my FT3 level IS adequate, according to blood samples, can rT3 still

block T3 from entering the CELLS? That's the scary part.

I mean, I don't want to get that atrial fibrillation I got in January 2008,

ever, EVER again! My FT3 was high at that time. I probably needed HC at that

time but didn't know it yet.

However, could it have been an rT3 issue giving me atrial fibrillation back

then?

I am now increasing my meds, slowly. I was on 100 mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3 at that

time, and I felt good, until bad things happened to me over a period of 8

months: Stress, tachycardia more and more often leading going into every night,

and finally atrial fibrillation. Thus T3 was removed immediately by ignorant

doctors - I should've been given HC instead, and it was probably the T4 that

needed to be removed.

Maybe removing T3 was the right thing at that moment.

>

> >

> >

> >What do you think, folks? I am not sure how I feel on 1 grain ERFA Thyroid,

yet. Something is happening with me, I can feel it, but I am not sure what.

Maybe I should just wait and see, and do another rT3 test in a week or so?

>

> OK, the units are " pmol " rather than grams which potentially makes the

> atomic weight relevant. Ignoring that on the basis that RT3 and FT3

> " probably " have the same atomic weight that gives a ratio of 14.8.

> This is not good but not terrible. 20 or greater is the ideal

>

> From there it depends where things go when you take enough Erfa to

> clear hypo symptoms.

>

> If increasing the dose takes your FT3 to the top of the range " without

> increasing RT3 " then the ratio would be 19.5 and be near as needed to

> the ideal of 20 or greater.

>

> There is little point in retesting in a week, it takes T4 levels a

> month to stabilise after setting dose at a constant level and you are

> going to need to ramp up slowly to 3 grains at least of Erfa to feel

> well. Realistically it will be 3 months of dose adjustment and

> stabilisation before you are stable enough on Erfa to see where the

> RT3 is going to go.

>

> To summarise, Erfa might get you feeling well, it will take at least 3

> months to find out.

>

> T3 will get you feeling well, you need to be prepared to adjust dose

> by symptoms though, it happens too quickly to do it by labs.

>

> Those are my thoughts, hopefully others can come in here as well with

> their views.

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply, Nick!

I know I am undermedicated, I've been so for almost 2 years now. But things will

hopefully change soon!

However, I want to learn more about the whole rT3-thing.

Like, if my FT3 level IS adequate, according to blood samples, can rT3 still

block T3 from entering the CELLS? That's the scary part.

I mean, I don't want to get that atrial fibrillation I got in January 2008,

ever, EVER again! My FT3 was high at that time. I probably needed HC at that

time but didn't know it yet.

However, could it have been an rT3 issue giving me atrial fibrillation back

then?

I am now increasing my meds, slowly. I was on 100 mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3 at that

time, and I felt good, until bad things happened to me over a period of 8

months: Stress, tachycardia more and more often leading going into every night,

and finally atrial fibrillation. Thus T3 was removed immediately by ignorant

doctors - I should've been given HC instead, and it was probably the T4 that

needed to be removed.

Maybe removing T3 was the right thing at that moment.

>

> >

> >

> >What do you think, folks? I am not sure how I feel on 1 grain ERFA Thyroid,

yet. Something is happening with me, I can feel it, but I am not sure what.

Maybe I should just wait and see, and do another rT3 test in a week or so?

>

> OK, the units are " pmol " rather than grams which potentially makes the

> atomic weight relevant. Ignoring that on the basis that RT3 and FT3

> " probably " have the same atomic weight that gives a ratio of 14.8.

> This is not good but not terrible. 20 or greater is the ideal

>

> From there it depends where things go when you take enough Erfa to

> clear hypo symptoms.

>

> If increasing the dose takes your FT3 to the top of the range " without

> increasing RT3 " then the ratio would be 19.5 and be near as needed to

> the ideal of 20 or greater.

>

> There is little point in retesting in a week, it takes T4 levels a

> month to stabilise after setting dose at a constant level and you are

> going to need to ramp up slowly to 3 grains at least of Erfa to feel

> well. Realistically it will be 3 months of dose adjustment and

> stabilisation before you are stable enough on Erfa to see where the

> RT3 is going to go.

>

> To summarise, Erfa might get you feeling well, it will take at least 3

> months to find out.

>

> T3 will get you feeling well, you need to be prepared to adjust dose

> by symptoms though, it happens too quickly to do it by labs.

>

> Those are my thoughts, hopefully others can come in here as well with

> their views.

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply, Nick!

I know I am undermedicated, I've been so for almost 2 years now. But things will

hopefully change soon!

However, I want to learn more about the whole rT3-thing.

Like, if my FT3 level IS adequate, according to blood samples, can rT3 still

block T3 from entering the CELLS? That's the scary part.

I mean, I don't want to get that atrial fibrillation I got in January 2008,

ever, EVER again! My FT3 was high at that time. I probably needed HC at that

time but didn't know it yet.

However, could it have been an rT3 issue giving me atrial fibrillation back

then?

I am now increasing my meds, slowly. I was on 100 mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3 at that

time, and I felt good, until bad things happened to me over a period of 8

months: Stress, tachycardia more and more often leading going into every night,

and finally atrial fibrillation. Thus T3 was removed immediately by ignorant

doctors - I should've been given HC instead, and it was probably the T4 that

needed to be removed.

Maybe removing T3 was the right thing at that moment.

>

> >

> >

> >What do you think, folks? I am not sure how I feel on 1 grain ERFA Thyroid,

yet. Something is happening with me, I can feel it, but I am not sure what.

Maybe I should just wait and see, and do another rT3 test in a week or so?

>

> OK, the units are " pmol " rather than grams which potentially makes the

> atomic weight relevant. Ignoring that on the basis that RT3 and FT3

> " probably " have the same atomic weight that gives a ratio of 14.8.

> This is not good but not terrible. 20 or greater is the ideal

>

> From there it depends where things go when you take enough Erfa to

> clear hypo symptoms.

>

> If increasing the dose takes your FT3 to the top of the range " without

> increasing RT3 " then the ratio would be 19.5 and be near as needed to

> the ideal of 20 or greater.

>

> There is little point in retesting in a week, it takes T4 levels a

> month to stabilise after setting dose at a constant level and you are

> going to need to ramp up slowly to 3 grains at least of Erfa to feel

> well. Realistically it will be 3 months of dose adjustment and

> stabilisation before you are stable enough on Erfa to see where the

> RT3 is going to go.

>

> To summarise, Erfa might get you feeling well, it will take at least 3

> months to find out.

>

> T3 will get you feeling well, you need to be prepared to adjust dose

> by symptoms though, it happens too quickly to do it by labs.

>

> Those are my thoughts, hopefully others can come in here as well with

> their views.

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

As for dosing by symptoms:

How do I know if I need to dose up my Thyroid, lessen my T4, OR switch to

T3-only? I can't possibly know what's causing my symptoms, so I can't do

anything with my meds!

Right now I have the worst headache, like my brain is rottening/feels infected.

The pain goes down thrum my cheeks and into my teeth.

I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg HC

daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements.

I did get too little sleep this night. Fell asleep at 4.30 am and woke up at

11am.

[Guest guest]

Thanks TC! Well I Have had recurring sinus infectins in the past. But I suspect

these pains to come from the endocrine system. I would rather have a sinus

infection. (I've had 100+ of those...)

It really feels like my brain is rottening! It's horrible! And it really Can be

anything: Sinuses, teeth (wisdom teeth x 2 not pulled out yet), too little/too

much HC, too little T3, etc. etc. etc. etc.

>

> , your headache that goes into your cheek and teeth sounds like how I

feel when I get a sinus infection. Hope whatever it is, that it goes away soon.

TC!

>

>

> As for dosing by symptoms:

>

> How do I know if I need to dose up my Thyroid, lessen my T4, OR switch to

T3-only? I can't possibly know what's causing my symptoms, so I can't do

anything with my meds!

>

> Right now I have the worst headache, like my brain is rottening/feels

infected. The pain goes down thrum my cheeks and into my teeth.

>

> I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg

HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements.

>

> I did get too little sleep this night. Fell asleep at 4.30 am and woke up at

11am.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks TC! Well I Have had recurring sinus infectins in the past. But I suspect

these pains to come from the endocrine system. I would rather have a sinus

infection. (I've had 100+ of those...)

It really feels like my brain is rottening! It's horrible! And it really Can be

anything: Sinuses, teeth (wisdom teeth x 2 not pulled out yet), too little/too

much HC, too little T3, etc. etc. etc. etc.

>

> , your headache that goes into your cheek and teeth sounds like how I

feel when I get a sinus infection. Hope whatever it is, that it goes away soon.

TC!

>

>

> As for dosing by symptoms:

>

> How do I know if I need to dose up my Thyroid, lessen my T4, OR switch to

T3-only? I can't possibly know what's causing my symptoms, so I can't do

anything with my meds!

>

> Right now I have the worst headache, like my brain is rottening/feels

infected. The pain goes down thrum my cheeks and into my teeth.

>

> I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg

HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements.

>

> I did get too little sleep this night. Fell asleep at 4.30 am and woke up at

11am.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks TC! Well I Have had recurring sinus infectins in the past. But I suspect

these pains to come from the endocrine system. I would rather have a sinus

infection. (I've had 100+ of those...)

It really feels like my brain is rottening! It's horrible! And it really Can be

anything: Sinuses, teeth (wisdom teeth x 2 not pulled out yet), too little/too

much HC, too little T3, etc. etc. etc. etc.

>

> , your headache that goes into your cheek and teeth sounds like how I

feel when I get a sinus infection. Hope whatever it is, that it goes away soon.

TC!

>

>

> As for dosing by symptoms:

>

> How do I know if I need to dose up my Thyroid, lessen my T4, OR switch to

T3-only? I can't possibly know what's causing my symptoms, so I can't do

anything with my meds!

>

> Right now I have the worst headache, like my brain is rottening/feels

infected. The pain goes down thrum my cheeks and into my teeth.

>

> I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg

HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements.

>

> I did get too little sleep this night. Fell asleep at 4.30 am and woke up at

11am.

>

[Guest guest]

I have no idea about the headache. It became better after I took my second dose

of HC. Dunno why. Maybe the first dose " ran thru me " in the morning.

My belly is sticking out BADLY right now, I feel extremely bloated and just

horrible. Pain in my stomach, and acid reflux going on.

I hate this so much.

>

> >I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg

HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements.

>

> Get tid of that T4 even if you have to add an extra half (or full)

> grain.

>

> The more T4 there is compared with the T3 you are taking the worse

> your RT3 is going to get.

>

> Could your headache be teeth?

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

I have no idea about the headache. It became better after I took my second dose

of HC. Dunno why. Maybe the first dose " ran thru me " in the morning.

My belly is sticking out BADLY right now, I feel extremely bloated and just

horrible. Pain in my stomach, and acid reflux going on.

I hate this so much.

>

> >I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg

HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements.

>

> Get tid of that T4 even if you have to add an extra half (or full)

> grain.

>

> The more T4 there is compared with the T3 you are taking the worse

> your RT3 is going to get.

>

> Could your headache be teeth?

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

I have no idea about the headache. It became better after I took my second dose

of HC. Dunno why. Maybe the first dose " ran thru me " in the morning.

My belly is sticking out BADLY right now, I feel extremely bloated and just

horrible. Pain in my stomach, and acid reflux going on.

I hate this so much.

>

> >I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg

HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements.

>

> Get tid of that T4 even if you have to add an extra half (or full)

> grain.

>

> The more T4 there is compared with the T3 you are taking the worse

> your RT3 is going to get.

>

> Could your headache be teeth?

>

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

So, if I keep increasing my ERFA Thyroid, and I won't get better...

Then boom, I need to change to T3-only. Right now I just feel amazingly bad. I

can't even describe it.

[Guest guest]

So, if I keep increasing my ERFA Thyroid, and I won't get better...

Then boom, I need to change to T3-only. Right now I just feel amazingly bad. I

can't even describe it.

[Guest guest]

So, if I keep increasing my ERFA Thyroid, and I won't get better...

Then boom, I need to change to T3-only. Right now I just feel amazingly bad. I

can't even describe it.

[Guest guest]

If rT3 increases and the ratio gets lower, will T3 be blocked (invisibly) from

entering the cells or will I see that FT3 gets lower in a blood sample?

[Guest guest]

If rT3 increases and the ratio gets lower, will T3 be blocked (invisibly) from

entering the cells or will I see that FT3 gets lower in a blood sample?

[Guest guest]

If rT3 increases and the ratio gets lower, will T3 be blocked (invisibly) from

entering the cells or will I see that FT3 gets lower in a blood sample?