Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 What if I'm getting a feedback-loop already? It was only 4 days since I started taking 1 full grain of ERFA Thyroid. Right now, I definitely feel HYPO. More than I've felt for 12+ years since before I took any meds at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Well what I can say is that during 2004-2008, when I was on the combo T4/T3, and felt pretty good, my FT4 always stayed at 10.0 which is very low. But I was taking T3, so that happens when you take such a dose (40 mcg of T3 daily) - This could not have given me rT3 issues. However, a few months into 2008, my new and ignorant doc at that time, removed my T3-med and upped my T4-med to 150 mcg daily (up from 100 mg daily in the past years) - THIS can have given me rT3 issues. I remember my FT4 going as high as 22.5 in the beginning when T3 was removed and T4 was increased to compensate for the removal of T3. Does this make any sense? It is, however, a scary thought that FT3 can look ok while NOT going into the cells. Same as with Adrenal Fatigue, then. > > >If rT3 increases and the ratio gets lower, will T3 be blocked (invisibly) from entering the cells or will I see that FT3 gets lower in a blood sample? > > The FT3 can remain high, it's in the serum, and not get into the cells > if RT3 is causing receptor blockage. What tends to get higher is the > FT4, if that goes above mid range then it tends to convert to RT3 > instead of T3. > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Well what I can say is that during 2004-2008, when I was on the combo T4/T3, and felt pretty good, my FT4 always stayed at 10.0 which is very low. But I was taking T3, so that happens when you take such a dose (40 mcg of T3 daily) - This could not have given me rT3 issues. However, a few months into 2008, my new and ignorant doc at that time, removed my T3-med and upped my T4-med to 150 mcg daily (up from 100 mg daily in the past years) - THIS can have given me rT3 issues. I remember my FT4 going as high as 22.5 in the beginning when T3 was removed and T4 was increased to compensate for the removal of T3. Does this make any sense? It is, however, a scary thought that FT3 can look ok while NOT going into the cells. Same as with Adrenal Fatigue, then. > > >If rT3 increases and the ratio gets lower, will T3 be blocked (invisibly) from entering the cells or will I see that FT3 gets lower in a blood sample? > > The FT3 can remain high, it's in the serum, and not get into the cells > if RT3 is causing receptor blockage. What tends to get higher is the > FT4, if that goes above mid range then it tends to convert to RT3 > instead of T3. > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Well what I can say is that during 2004-2008, when I was on the combo T4/T3, and felt pretty good, my FT4 always stayed at 10.0 which is very low. But I was taking T3, so that happens when you take such a dose (40 mcg of T3 daily) - This could not have given me rT3 issues. However, a few months into 2008, my new and ignorant doc at that time, removed my T3-med and upped my T4-med to 150 mcg daily (up from 100 mg daily in the past years) - THIS can have given me rT3 issues. I remember my FT4 going as high as 22.5 in the beginning when T3 was removed and T4 was increased to compensate for the removal of T3. Does this make any sense? It is, however, a scary thought that FT3 can look ok while NOT going into the cells. Same as with Adrenal Fatigue, then. > > >If rT3 increases and the ratio gets lower, will T3 be blocked (invisibly) from entering the cells or will I see that FT3 gets lower in a blood sample? > > The FT3 can remain high, it's in the serum, and not get into the cells > if RT3 is causing receptor blockage. What tends to get higher is the > FT4, if that goes above mid range then it tends to convert to RT3 > instead of T3. > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Yes, I agree, the headache sounds like a sinus infection which is very common with hypo's. I get them a lot. When you blow your nose, is the discharge any color other than clear? Donna > > , your headache that goes into your cheek and teeth sounds like how I feel when I get a sinus infection. Hope whatever it is, that it goes away soon. TC! > > > As for dosing by symptoms: > > How do I know if I need to dose up my Thyroid, lessen my T4, OR switch to T3-only? I can't possibly know what's causing my symptoms, so I can't do anything with my meds! > > Right now I have the worst headache, like my brain is rottening/feels infected. The pain goes down thrum my cheeks and into my teeth. > > I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements. > > I did get too little sleep this night. Fell asleep at 4.30 am and woke up at 11am. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Isn't this extremely dangerous? I mean... I might have had rT3-issues since 2007. Who knows, maybe before that too. My heart has been skipping beats since early 2008 + lots of other heart symptoms too. Today I feel FAT, FAT, FAT. Like a slow, puffy pig. I feel worse right now than what I did when I started on ERFA Thyroid. It could be temporary, I guess. > > >However, a few months into 2008, my new and ignorant doc at that time, removed my T3-med and upped my T4-med to 150 mcg daily (up from 100 mg daily in the past years) - THIS can have given me rT3 issues. I remember my FT4 going as high as 22.5 in the beginning when T3 was removed and T4 was increased to compensate for the removal of T3. > > > >Does this make any sense? > > Yep > > > >It is, however, a scary thought that FT3 can look ok while NOT going into the cells. Same as with Adrenal Fatigue, then. > > The nature of " tissue resistance " , the T3 is there, it can't get into > the cells. > > By all the normal measures you are fine, it's only looking deeper that > it can be seen if you are looking for it > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 So, feeling more hyo now than I've felt for 12+ years must mean something. I hope my specialist can reply to the email I sent her on Friday, with the rT3-result and so on. I feel dead-heavy. My arms are falling down. Cheeks feel heavy. Everything feels heavy. Breathing. I feel like my heart is beating weakly, and like.. Something is wrong. But I won't know more until I raise ERFA Thyroid and remove synthetic T4. What if I feel even WORSE than this? I am afraid the next level is death. > > >What if I'm getting a feedback-loop already? It was only 4 days since I started taking 1 full grain of ERFA Thyroid. Right now, I definitely feel HYPO. More than I've felt for 12+ years since before I took any meds at all. > > > > Could be, because you've been on a mix and fluctuating dose for years > who knows what your bodies's feedback loop is doing. > > You could drop that last 50 of synthetic T4 and add another half grain > now, there won't be a lot of fluctuation going on as the body doesn't > have to wait for T4 to stabilise, if anything it will be dropping > which is probably good and an extra 5 of T3 can provide some immediate > symptom relief > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Hello Donna, Well. I don't have the typical BROWNish discharge which I remember from really having bad sinus infections, so... I don't know... > > > > , your headache that goes into your cheek and teeth sounds like how I feel when I get a sinus infection. Hope whatever it is, that it goes away soon. TC! > > > > > > As for dosing by symptoms: > > > > How do I know if I need to dose up my Thyroid, lessen my T4, OR switch to T3-only? I can't possibly know what's causing my symptoms, so I can't do anything with my meds! > > > > Right now I have the worst headache, like my brain is rottening/feels infected. The pain goes down thrum my cheeks and into my teeth. > > > > I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements. > > > > I did get too little sleep this night. Fell asleep at 4.30 am and woke up at 11am. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Hello Donna, Well. I don't have the typical BROWNish discharge which I remember from really having bad sinus infections, so... I don't know... > > > > , your headache that goes into your cheek and teeth sounds like how I feel when I get a sinus infection. Hope whatever it is, that it goes away soon. TC! > > > > > > As for dosing by symptoms: > > > > How do I know if I need to dose up my Thyroid, lessen my T4, OR switch to T3-only? I can't possibly know what's causing my symptoms, so I can't do anything with my meds! > > > > Right now I have the worst headache, like my brain is rottening/feels infected. The pain goes down thrum my cheeks and into my teeth. > > > > I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements. > > > > I did get too little sleep this night. Fell asleep at 4.30 am and woke up at 11am. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Hello Donna, Well. I don't have the typical BROWNish discharge which I remember from really having bad sinus infections, so... I don't know... > > > > , your headache that goes into your cheek and teeth sounds like how I feel when I get a sinus infection. Hope whatever it is, that it goes away soon. TC! > > > > > > As for dosing by symptoms: > > > > How do I know if I need to dose up my Thyroid, lessen my T4, OR switch to T3-only? I can't possibly know what's causing my symptoms, so I can't do anything with my meds! > > > > Right now I have the worst headache, like my brain is rottening/feels infected. The pain goes down thrum my cheeks and into my teeth. > > > > I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements. > > > > I did get too little sleep this night. Fell asleep at 4.30 am and woke up at 11am. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Should I try to go outside and walk? Even if it feels like my body just want to lie down? I feel HORRIBLE. Just .... HEAVY and slow and not in this " world " I don't know if I'm even alive. I hate the fact that metabolism is so slow. Can anyone give me a plan for emergency-T3? Like, what do I have to do right NOW to change from 50 mcg T4 and 1 grain ERFA Thyroid daily to T3-only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Should I try to go outside and walk? Even if it feels like my body just want to lie down? I feel HORRIBLE. Just .... HEAVY and slow and not in this " world " I don't know if I'm even alive. I hate the fact that metabolism is so slow. Can anyone give me a plan for emergency-T3? Like, what do I have to do right NOW to change from 50 mcg T4 and 1 grain ERFA Thyroid daily to T3-only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Should I try to go outside and walk? Even if it feels like my body just want to lie down? I feel HORRIBLE. Just .... HEAVY and slow and not in this " world " I don't know if I'm even alive. I hate the fact that metabolism is so slow. Can anyone give me a plan for emergency-T3? Like, what do I have to do right NOW to change from 50 mcg T4 and 1 grain ERFA Thyroid daily to T3-only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I am SHAKING badly now. Hands especially buit it feels like the whole body is shaking. Whats happening to me????? Do I need to do something FAST to save my life? I feel like THIS IS IT, and I am dying. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! I am on 1 grain ERFA, 50 mcg T4, 20 mg HC. (can too much supplements do something like this to me? like too much magnesium or selenium or...?) The ER don't know how to help me - They don't even think I have Hypothyroidism cuase I have the TYPE 2 diagnose! And to the, Adrenal Fatigue does not exist. I feel SO scared. SO SCARED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I am SHAKING badly now. Hands especially buit it feels like the whole body is shaking. Whats happening to me????? Do I need to do something FAST to save my life? I feel like THIS IS IT, and I am dying. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! I am on 1 grain ERFA, 50 mcg T4, 20 mg HC. (can too much supplements do something like this to me? like too much magnesium or selenium or...?) The ER don't know how to help me - They don't even think I have Hypothyroidism cuase I have the TYPE 2 diagnose! And to the, Adrenal Fatigue does not exist. I feel SO scared. SO SCARED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I am SHAKING badly now. Hands especially buit it feels like the whole body is shaking. Whats happening to me????? Do I need to do something FAST to save my life? I feel like THIS IS IT, and I am dying. OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! I am on 1 grain ERFA, 50 mcg T4, 20 mg HC. (can too much supplements do something like this to me? like too much magnesium or selenium or...?) The ER don't know how to help me - They don't even think I have Hypothyroidism cuase I have the TYPE 2 diagnose! And to the, Adrenal Fatigue does not exist. I feel SO scared. SO SCARED. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I was thinking along those lines. Thank you for replying to me. I am taking my second dose of the day (7.5, 7.5, 5.0 daily) right now, so we'll see how I feel after that. I remember hands shaking before I started with HC, but the shaking I just got NOW was just HORRIBLE. Felt like my whole BODY was shaking. Could it be that my HYPO-state can cause such problems with digestion and intestines, that the uptake of HC is swinging/changing from day to day? I raised to 20 mg HC (from 17.5) exactly 1 days ago. If I choose to switch to T3-only treatment, what can I expect? Is it a hard switch from the meds I am on currently? I asked my specialist to write me a switch-plan on email right now. I am too scared to gamle with my health. I know I should try ERFA Thyroid longer, it's only been 17 days, but... I am so scared of dying! > > This is a low cortiosl sympotm. Iwoudl lower your T3 a BIT not stop it, > and raise HC to at least 25mg a day. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I was thinking along those lines. Thank you for replying to me. I am taking my second dose of the day (7.5, 7.5, 5.0 daily) right now, so we'll see how I feel after that. I remember hands shaking before I started with HC, but the shaking I just got NOW was just HORRIBLE. Felt like my whole BODY was shaking. Could it be that my HYPO-state can cause such problems with digestion and intestines, that the uptake of HC is swinging/changing from day to day? I raised to 20 mg HC (from 17.5) exactly 1 days ago. If I choose to switch to T3-only treatment, what can I expect? Is it a hard switch from the meds I am on currently? I asked my specialist to write me a switch-plan on email right now. I am too scared to gamle with my health. I know I should try ERFA Thyroid longer, it's only been 17 days, but... I am so scared of dying! > > This is a low cortiosl sympotm. Iwoudl lower your T3 a BIT not stop it, > and raise HC to at least 25mg a day. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 I was thinking along those lines. Thank you for replying to me. I am taking my second dose of the day (7.5, 7.5, 5.0 daily) right now, so we'll see how I feel after that. I remember hands shaking before I started with HC, but the shaking I just got NOW was just HORRIBLE. Felt like my whole BODY was shaking. Could it be that my HYPO-state can cause such problems with digestion and intestines, that the uptake of HC is swinging/changing from day to day? I raised to 20 mg HC (from 17.5) exactly 1 days ago. If I choose to switch to T3-only treatment, what can I expect? Is it a hard switch from the meds I am on currently? I asked my specialist to write me a switch-plan on email right now. I am too scared to gamle with my health. I know I should try ERFA Thyroid longer, it's only been 17 days, but... I am so scared of dying! > > This is a low cortiosl sympotm. Iwoudl lower your T3 a BIT not stop it, > and raise HC to at least 25mg a day. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 PS! How can I lower T3 when the T3 I am taking is in ERFA Thyroid? > > This is a low cortiosl sympotm. Iwoudl lower your T3 a BIT not stop it, > and raise HC to at least 25mg a day. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 PS! How can I lower T3 when the T3 I am taking is in ERFA Thyroid? > > This is a low cortiosl sympotm. Iwoudl lower your T3 a BIT not stop it, > and raise HC to at least 25mg a day. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 PS! How can I lower T3 when the T3 I am taking is in ERFA Thyroid? > > This is a low cortiosl sympotm. Iwoudl lower your T3 a BIT not stop it, > and raise HC to at least 25mg a day. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Well. I haven't really done anything today. So I was clueless to why it happened. I am a little better now. But the shaking stopped BEFORE I took my next dose of HC. To be totally clueless is the scariest of all - To not know what's happening to your body! Taking less ERFA. Is that a good idea? I am already Hypothyroid. I feel mucus in my cheeks and in my thighs. My right thigh has developed a very hard substance under the skin. Mucus. As Dr. Mark Starr is describing it. > > Not likely it is changing but the things oyu do every day cahnge. any > little stres can cause these symptoms when oyu have no cortisol to spare. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Well. I haven't really done anything today. So I was clueless to why it happened. I am a little better now. But the shaking stopped BEFORE I took my next dose of HC. To be totally clueless is the scariest of all - To not know what's happening to your body! Taking less ERFA. Is that a good idea? I am already Hypothyroid. I feel mucus in my cheeks and in my thighs. My right thigh has developed a very hard substance under the skin. Mucus. As Dr. Mark Starr is describing it. > > Not likely it is changing but the things oyu do every day cahnge. any > little stres can cause these symptoms when oyu have no cortisol to spare. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2009 Report Share Posted December 7, 2009 Well, this CAN be rT3-related, so I'm gonna write about it here: My bowel movements. They've been weird for 2 years. Since BEFORE T3-med was removed from me, it has been weird going in the bathroom. Things are way too loose, and too lightly colored. Can rT3 have started making my intestines Hypothyroid, before the rest of my body? If rT3 blocked the effect of T3 when I was on my old " full " dose of 100 mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3 daily (I was on that dose for 4 years without much problems) thus giving me bowel movement issues? Gluten. It can also be an intolerance to gluten. That's why I've been going through the hell that it is so eat gluten-free, for the past 1 1/2 years. It's SO boring and I get pretty sick of eating only the same salmon, steaks and salads every say. I miss bread. And the darkest bread (100% wholegrain, from Denmark/Germany) is HEALTHY too! So I would do better if I just ate some bread. But not if I have gluten-intolerance. Which I am not sure about. I did the blood sample. It said I could have it. So I did the biopsy (painful as hell!) which came out negative. HOWEVER, I did the huge mistake of eating gluten-free for 1 month before I took that biopsy. I ate normal food with gluten in the last 5 days before the biopsy was done, but I don't think it was enough to make any difference down there in my intestines. I feel like an idiot - I have been eating gluten-free for 1 1/2 years and I don't even know if I need to! See, I stopped eating gluten because I was so sick last year, and I didn't know why! Somehow the idiot docs convinced me that I was no Hypothyroid and did not need any T4/T3-meds at all. So they removed my T3-med, and dosed down my T4... I got worse and worse, and finally this June, I got a new specialist, HC and some new diagnoses (Hypothyroidism Type 2 and Adrenal Fatigue) - I've been feeling better on HC, that's for sure. BUT I still feel like a total mess. I am less sleepy in the daytime with HC. But something is still wrong. rT3. Gluten-Intolerance. Can it be a mix of these two? Or just rT3... My Ferritin can have suffered (in the 40s now) from stopping eating bread and other stuff with Iron in it. *sigh* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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