Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Ok, so here are my latest results, fresh from the lab: TSH 1.20 (0.5 - 3.6 mlE/l) FT4 12.6 (8 - 20 pmol/l) FT3 6.4 (3.5 - 7.8 pmol/l) rT3 - 0.43 (0.14 - 0.54 nmol/l) TT4 125 (60 - 150 nmol/l) TT3 2.3 (1.2 - 2.7 nmol/l) TBG 22.3 (12 - 28 mg/l) + anti tpo <10 anto tyroglobulin <20 TRAS - not complete yet (but it's always nothing) What do you think, folks? I am not sure how I feel on 1 grain ERFA Thyroid, yet. Something is happening with me, I can feel it, but I am not sure what. Maybe I should just wait and see, and do another rT3 test in a week or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Ok, so here are my latest results, fresh from the lab: TSH 1.20 (0.5 - 3.6 mlE/l) FT4 12.6 (8 - 20 pmol/l) FT3 6.4 (3.5 - 7.8 pmol/l) rT3 - 0.43 (0.14 - 0.54 nmol/l) TT4 125 (60 - 150 nmol/l) TT3 2.3 (1.2 - 2.7 nmol/l) TBG 22.3 (12 - 28 mg/l) + anti tpo <10 anto tyroglobulin <20 TRAS - not complete yet (but it's always nothing) What do you think, folks? I am not sure how I feel on 1 grain ERFA Thyroid, yet. Something is happening with me, I can feel it, but I am not sure what. Maybe I should just wait and see, and do another rT3 test in a week or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Ok, so here are my latest results, fresh from the lab: TSH 1.20 (0.5 - 3.6 mlE/l) FT4 12.6 (8 - 20 pmol/l) FT3 6.4 (3.5 - 7.8 pmol/l) rT3 - 0.43 (0.14 - 0.54 nmol/l) TT4 125 (60 - 150 nmol/l) TT3 2.3 (1.2 - 2.7 nmol/l) TBG 22.3 (12 - 28 mg/l) + anti tpo <10 anto tyroglobulin <20 TRAS - not complete yet (but it's always nothing) What do you think, folks? I am not sure how I feel on 1 grain ERFA Thyroid, yet. Something is happening with me, I can feel it, but I am not sure what. Maybe I should just wait and see, and do another rT3 test in a week or so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I understand. Thank you, Val. I will forward these results, and these words, to my specialist right now. Have a great Friday! > > Your FT3/RT3 ratio is 14.8 so too low in spite of having quite good FT3 > levels. This is why you don't; feel right. And until you get rid of the > RT3 or knock it WAY down with T3 ONLY you are unlikely to feel good. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I understand. Thank you, Val. I will forward these results, and these words, to my specialist right now. Have a great Friday! > > Your FT3/RT3 ratio is 14.8 so too low in spite of having quite good FT3 > levels. This is why you don't; feel right. And until you get rid of the > RT3 or knock it WAY down with T3 ONLY you are unlikely to feel good. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 I understand. Thank you, Val. I will forward these results, and these words, to my specialist right now. Have a great Friday! > > Your FT3/RT3 ratio is 14.8 so too low in spite of having quite good FT3 > levels. This is why you don't; feel right. And until you get rid of the > RT3 or knock it WAY down with T3 ONLY you are unlikely to feel good. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/ > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 One quick question: How fast will HC and ERFA Thyroid be absorbed into the tummy? I very, very often (like almost every day) have bowel movement problems. Things are not too hard, to put it that way. I am just worried that I'm getting rid of my pills before they get absorbed properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 One quick question: How fast will HC and ERFA Thyroid be absorbed into the tummy? I very, very often (like almost every day) have bowel movement problems. Things are not too hard, to put it that way. I am just worried that I'm getting rid of my pills before they get absorbed properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 One quick question: How fast will HC and ERFA Thyroid be absorbed into the tummy? I very, very often (like almost every day) have bowel movement problems. Things are not too hard, to put it that way. I am just worried that I'm getting rid of my pills before they get absorbed properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Thanks for your reply, Nick! I know I am undermedicated, I've been so for almost 2 years now. But things will hopefully change soon! However, I want to learn more about the whole rT3-thing. Like, if my FT3 level IS adequate, according to blood samples, can rT3 still block T3 from entering the CELLS? That's the scary part. I mean, I don't want to get that atrial fibrillation I got in January 2008, ever, EVER again! My FT3 was high at that time. I probably needed HC at that time but didn't know it yet. However, could it have been an rT3 issue giving me atrial fibrillation back then? I am now increasing my meds, slowly. I was on 100 mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3 at that time, and I felt good, until bad things happened to me over a period of 8 months: Stress, tachycardia more and more often leading going into every night, and finally atrial fibrillation. Thus T3 was removed immediately by ignorant doctors - I should've been given HC instead, and it was probably the T4 that needed to be removed. Maybe removing T3 was the right thing at that moment. > > > > > > >What do you think, folks? I am not sure how I feel on 1 grain ERFA Thyroid, yet. Something is happening with me, I can feel it, but I am not sure what. Maybe I should just wait and see, and do another rT3 test in a week or so? > > OK, the units are " pmol " rather than grams which potentially makes the > atomic weight relevant. Ignoring that on the basis that RT3 and FT3 > " probably " have the same atomic weight that gives a ratio of 14.8. > This is not good but not terrible. 20 or greater is the ideal > > From there it depends where things go when you take enough Erfa to > clear hypo symptoms. > > If increasing the dose takes your FT3 to the top of the range " without > increasing RT3 " then the ratio would be 19.5 and be near as needed to > the ideal of 20 or greater. > > There is little point in retesting in a week, it takes T4 levels a > month to stabilise after setting dose at a constant level and you are > going to need to ramp up slowly to 3 grains at least of Erfa to feel > well. Realistically it will be 3 months of dose adjustment and > stabilisation before you are stable enough on Erfa to see where the > RT3 is going to go. > > To summarise, Erfa might get you feeling well, it will take at least 3 > months to find out. > > T3 will get you feeling well, you need to be prepared to adjust dose > by symptoms though, it happens too quickly to do it by labs. > > Those are my thoughts, hopefully others can come in here as well with > their views. > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Thanks for your reply, Nick! I know I am undermedicated, I've been so for almost 2 years now. But things will hopefully change soon! However, I want to learn more about the whole rT3-thing. Like, if my FT3 level IS adequate, according to blood samples, can rT3 still block T3 from entering the CELLS? That's the scary part. I mean, I don't want to get that atrial fibrillation I got in January 2008, ever, EVER again! My FT3 was high at that time. I probably needed HC at that time but didn't know it yet. However, could it have been an rT3 issue giving me atrial fibrillation back then? I am now increasing my meds, slowly. I was on 100 mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3 at that time, and I felt good, until bad things happened to me over a period of 8 months: Stress, tachycardia more and more often leading going into every night, and finally atrial fibrillation. Thus T3 was removed immediately by ignorant doctors - I should've been given HC instead, and it was probably the T4 that needed to be removed. Maybe removing T3 was the right thing at that moment. > > > > > > >What do you think, folks? I am not sure how I feel on 1 grain ERFA Thyroid, yet. Something is happening with me, I can feel it, but I am not sure what. Maybe I should just wait and see, and do another rT3 test in a week or so? > > OK, the units are " pmol " rather than grams which potentially makes the > atomic weight relevant. Ignoring that on the basis that RT3 and FT3 > " probably " have the same atomic weight that gives a ratio of 14.8. > This is not good but not terrible. 20 or greater is the ideal > > From there it depends where things go when you take enough Erfa to > clear hypo symptoms. > > If increasing the dose takes your FT3 to the top of the range " without > increasing RT3 " then the ratio would be 19.5 and be near as needed to > the ideal of 20 or greater. > > There is little point in retesting in a week, it takes T4 levels a > month to stabilise after setting dose at a constant level and you are > going to need to ramp up slowly to 3 grains at least of Erfa to feel > well. Realistically it will be 3 months of dose adjustment and > stabilisation before you are stable enough on Erfa to see where the > RT3 is going to go. > > To summarise, Erfa might get you feeling well, it will take at least 3 > months to find out. > > T3 will get you feeling well, you need to be prepared to adjust dose > by symptoms though, it happens too quickly to do it by labs. > > Those are my thoughts, hopefully others can come in here as well with > their views. > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Thanks for your reply, Nick! I know I am undermedicated, I've been so for almost 2 years now. But things will hopefully change soon! However, I want to learn more about the whole rT3-thing. Like, if my FT3 level IS adequate, according to blood samples, can rT3 still block T3 from entering the CELLS? That's the scary part. I mean, I don't want to get that atrial fibrillation I got in January 2008, ever, EVER again! My FT3 was high at that time. I probably needed HC at that time but didn't know it yet. However, could it have been an rT3 issue giving me atrial fibrillation back then? I am now increasing my meds, slowly. I was on 100 mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3 at that time, and I felt good, until bad things happened to me over a period of 8 months: Stress, tachycardia more and more often leading going into every night, and finally atrial fibrillation. Thus T3 was removed immediately by ignorant doctors - I should've been given HC instead, and it was probably the T4 that needed to be removed. Maybe removing T3 was the right thing at that moment. > > > > > > >What do you think, folks? I am not sure how I feel on 1 grain ERFA Thyroid, yet. Something is happening with me, I can feel it, but I am not sure what. Maybe I should just wait and see, and do another rT3 test in a week or so? > > OK, the units are " pmol " rather than grams which potentially makes the > atomic weight relevant. Ignoring that on the basis that RT3 and FT3 > " probably " have the same atomic weight that gives a ratio of 14.8. > This is not good but not terrible. 20 or greater is the ideal > > From there it depends where things go when you take enough Erfa to > clear hypo symptoms. > > If increasing the dose takes your FT3 to the top of the range " without > increasing RT3 " then the ratio would be 19.5 and be near as needed to > the ideal of 20 or greater. > > There is little point in retesting in a week, it takes T4 levels a > month to stabilise after setting dose at a constant level and you are > going to need to ramp up slowly to 3 grains at least of Erfa to feel > well. Realistically it will be 3 months of dose adjustment and > stabilisation before you are stable enough on Erfa to see where the > RT3 is going to go. > > To summarise, Erfa might get you feeling well, it will take at least 3 > months to find out. > > T3 will get you feeling well, you need to be prepared to adjust dose > by symptoms though, it happens too quickly to do it by labs. > > Those are my thoughts, hopefully others can come in here as well with > their views. > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 As for dosing by symptoms: How do I know if I need to dose up my Thyroid, lessen my T4, OR switch to T3-only? I can't possibly know what's causing my symptoms, so I can't do anything with my meds! Right now I have the worst headache, like my brain is rottening/feels infected. The pain goes down thrum my cheeks and into my teeth. I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements. I did get too little sleep this night. Fell asleep at 4.30 am and woke up at 11am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Thanks TC! Well I Have had recurring sinus infectins in the past. But I suspect these pains to come from the endocrine system. I would rather have a sinus infection. (I've had 100+ of those...) It really feels like my brain is rottening! It's horrible! And it really Can be anything: Sinuses, teeth (wisdom teeth x 2 not pulled out yet), too little/too much HC, too little T3, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > , your headache that goes into your cheek and teeth sounds like how I feel when I get a sinus infection. Hope whatever it is, that it goes away soon. TC! > > > As for dosing by symptoms: > > How do I know if I need to dose up my Thyroid, lessen my T4, OR switch to T3-only? I can't possibly know what's causing my symptoms, so I can't do anything with my meds! > > Right now I have the worst headache, like my brain is rottening/feels infected. The pain goes down thrum my cheeks and into my teeth. > > I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements. > > I did get too little sleep this night. Fell asleep at 4.30 am and woke up at 11am. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Thanks TC! Well I Have had recurring sinus infectins in the past. But I suspect these pains to come from the endocrine system. I would rather have a sinus infection. (I've had 100+ of those...) It really feels like my brain is rottening! It's horrible! And it really Can be anything: Sinuses, teeth (wisdom teeth x 2 not pulled out yet), too little/too much HC, too little T3, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > , your headache that goes into your cheek and teeth sounds like how I feel when I get a sinus infection. Hope whatever it is, that it goes away soon. TC! > > > As for dosing by symptoms: > > How do I know if I need to dose up my Thyroid, lessen my T4, OR switch to T3-only? I can't possibly know what's causing my symptoms, so I can't do anything with my meds! > > Right now I have the worst headache, like my brain is rottening/feels infected. The pain goes down thrum my cheeks and into my teeth. > > I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements. > > I did get too little sleep this night. Fell asleep at 4.30 am and woke up at 11am. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Thanks TC! Well I Have had recurring sinus infectins in the past. But I suspect these pains to come from the endocrine system. I would rather have a sinus infection. (I've had 100+ of those...) It really feels like my brain is rottening! It's horrible! And it really Can be anything: Sinuses, teeth (wisdom teeth x 2 not pulled out yet), too little/too much HC, too little T3, etc. etc. etc. etc. > > , your headache that goes into your cheek and teeth sounds like how I feel when I get a sinus infection. Hope whatever it is, that it goes away soon. TC! > > > As for dosing by symptoms: > > How do I know if I need to dose up my Thyroid, lessen my T4, OR switch to T3-only? I can't possibly know what's causing my symptoms, so I can't do anything with my meds! > > Right now I have the worst headache, like my brain is rottening/feels infected. The pain goes down thrum my cheeks and into my teeth. > > I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements. > > I did get too little sleep this night. Fell asleep at 4.30 am and woke up at 11am. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 I have no idea about the headache. It became better after I took my second dose of HC. Dunno why. Maybe the first dose " ran thru me " in the morning. My belly is sticking out BADLY right now, I feel extremely bloated and just horrible. Pain in my stomach, and acid reflux going on. I hate this so much. > > >I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements. > > Get tid of that T4 even if you have to add an extra half (or full) > grain. > > The more T4 there is compared with the T3 you are taking the worse > your RT3 is going to get. > > Could your headache be teeth? > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 I have no idea about the headache. It became better after I took my second dose of HC. Dunno why. Maybe the first dose " ran thru me " in the morning. My belly is sticking out BADLY right now, I feel extremely bloated and just horrible. Pain in my stomach, and acid reflux going on. I hate this so much. > > >I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements. > > Get tid of that T4 even if you have to add an extra half (or full) > grain. > > The more T4 there is compared with the T3 you are taking the worse > your RT3 is going to get. > > Could your headache be teeth? > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 I have no idea about the headache. It became better after I took my second dose of HC. Dunno why. Maybe the first dose " ran thru me " in the morning. My belly is sticking out BADLY right now, I feel extremely bloated and just horrible. Pain in my stomach, and acid reflux going on. I hate this so much. > > >I am taking 2 x 1/2 grain ERFA Thyroid and 50 mcg T4 daily, as well as 20 mg HC daily. + Vitamin and mineral supplements. > > Get tid of that T4 even if you have to add an extra half (or full) > grain. > > The more T4 there is compared with the T3 you are taking the worse > your RT3 is going to get. > > Could your headache be teeth? > > Nick > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 So, if I keep increasing my ERFA Thyroid, and I won't get better... Then boom, I need to change to T3-only. Right now I just feel amazingly bad. I can't even describe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 So, if I keep increasing my ERFA Thyroid, and I won't get better... Then boom, I need to change to T3-only. Right now I just feel amazingly bad. I can't even describe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 So, if I keep increasing my ERFA Thyroid, and I won't get better... Then boom, I need to change to T3-only. Right now I just feel amazingly bad. I can't even describe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 If rT3 increases and the ratio gets lower, will T3 be blocked (invisibly) from entering the cells or will I see that FT3 gets lower in a blood sample? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 If rT3 increases and the ratio gets lower, will T3 be blocked (invisibly) from entering the cells or will I see that FT3 gets lower in a blood sample? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 If rT3 increases and the ratio gets lower, will T3 be blocked (invisibly) from entering the cells or will I see that FT3 gets lower in a blood sample? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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