RE: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?...

[Guest guest]

Long time observer, but have never posted here. In reference to the

IAFF and EMSAT, I see nothing wrong with being a member of both

organizations and would encourage all IAFF members to join.

I am a professional Firefighter/Paramedic who provides Fire

Department based EMS and I greatly enjoy getting to do both

functions. So coming from a card carrying member of the IAFF, if

someone from EMSAT would email me off list with contact information,

local chapter information, and the general mission of the

organization, I would love to help in promoting it in my area. Thanks

Chomel

Firefighter/Paramedic

>

> In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

> texaslp@y... writes:

>

> A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are

unified; it’s

> called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are

not going to

> be interested in joining EMSAT.

>

>

>

> Why not?

>

> The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor

are they

> competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level

Association. Two VERY

> different things.

>

> Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have

a few IAFF

> card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

>

> The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in

Washington, DC

> but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF

has a political

> arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be

surprised if I

> found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why

would this

> preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> LNMolino@a...

> (Office)

> (Cell Phone)

> (Office Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the

author and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o

> rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or

associated with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is

intended only for its

> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials

> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the

> original author.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Families always come first and believe me when I say that. I have a daughter

and three grandchildren that have moved in with me and I am doing the same

thing here. Trying to get them on their feet and getting them established

with a permanent home and job. I will miss you at the conference but I

assure you your name is on my list for the Chapters. Thank you for all that

you do and please know that you can contact me anytime you need to. Take

care my friend.

Lt./LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

Office ext. 3233

Fax

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel

in Texas?...

Now we're getting somewhere.

According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS

Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas

Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time

Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that

are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a

total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in

Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA.

I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things

accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405

firefighters are unified; it's called the International Association of

Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT.

No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine

how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc?

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:,

I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I

did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the

box

on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of

10/19/05.

ECA 4,198

EMT-B 27,250

EMT-I 3,646

EMT-P 10,409

LP 5,472

Total 50,975

If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

the

original author.

[Guest guest]

Or should I say brother firefighter my name is and I am the

Vice Chair of EMSAT. I am also a professional Firefighter/Paramedic and a card

carrying member of the IAFF too (25 years Wichita Falls Fire Department). Here

is the website

http://www.texasemsat.org/default.htm or if you want to call me my cell number

is . Look forward to talking with you.

Lt./LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

Office ext. 3233

Fax

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in

Texas?...

Long time observer, but have never posted here. In reference to the

IAFF and EMSAT, I see nothing wrong with being a member of both

organizations and would encourage all IAFF members to join.

I am a professional Firefighter/Paramedic who provides Fire

Department based EMS and I greatly enjoy getting to do both

functions. So coming from a card carrying member of the IAFF, if

someone from EMSAT would email me off list with contact information,

local chapter information, and the general mission of the

organization, I would love to help in promoting it in my area. Thanks

Chomel

Firefighter/Paramedic

>

> In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

> texaslp@y... writes:

>

> A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are

unified; it’s

> called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are

not going to

> be interested in joining EMSAT.

>

>

>

> Why not?

>

> The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor

are they

> competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level

Association. Two VERY

> different things.

>

> Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have

a few IAFF

> card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

>

> The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in

Washington, DC

> but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF

has a political

> arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be

surprised if I

> found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why

would this

> preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> LNMolino@a...

> (Office)

> (Cell Phone)

> (Office Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the

author and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o

> rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or

associated with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is

intended only for its

> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials

> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the

> original author.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Or should I say brother firefighter my name is and I am the

Vice Chair of EMSAT. I am also a professional Firefighter/Paramedic and a card

carrying member of the IAFF too (25 years Wichita Falls Fire Department). Here

is the website

http://www.texasemsat.org/default.htm or if you want to call me my cell number

is . Look forward to talking with you.

Lt./LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

Office ext. 3233

Fax

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in

Texas?...

Long time observer, but have never posted here. In reference to the

IAFF and EMSAT, I see nothing wrong with being a member of both

organizations and would encourage all IAFF members to join.

I am a professional Firefighter/Paramedic who provides Fire

Department based EMS and I greatly enjoy getting to do both

functions. So coming from a card carrying member of the IAFF, if

someone from EMSAT would email me off list with contact information,

local chapter information, and the general mission of the

organization, I would love to help in promoting it in my area. Thanks

Chomel

Firefighter/Paramedic

>

> In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

> texaslp@y... writes:

>

> A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are

unified; it’s

> called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are

not going to

> be interested in joining EMSAT.

>

>

>

> Why not?

>

> The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor

are they

> competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level

Association. Two VERY

> different things.

>

> Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have

a few IAFF

> card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

>

> The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in

Washington, DC

> but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF

has a political

> arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be

surprised if I

> found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why

would this

> preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> LNMolino@a...

> (Office)

> (Cell Phone)

> (Office Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the

author and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o

> rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or

associated with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is

intended only for its

> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials

> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the

> original author.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Or should I say brother firefighter my name is and I am the

Vice Chair of EMSAT. I am also a professional Firefighter/Paramedic and a card

carrying member of the IAFF too (25 years Wichita Falls Fire Department). Here

is the website

http://www.texasemsat.org/default.htm or if you want to call me my cell number

is . Look forward to talking with you.

Lt./LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

Office ext. 3233

Fax

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in

Texas?...

Long time observer, but have never posted here. In reference to the

IAFF and EMSAT, I see nothing wrong with being a member of both

organizations and would encourage all IAFF members to join.

I am a professional Firefighter/Paramedic who provides Fire

Department based EMS and I greatly enjoy getting to do both

functions. So coming from a card carrying member of the IAFF, if

someone from EMSAT would email me off list with contact information,

local chapter information, and the general mission of the

organization, I would love to help in promoting it in my area. Thanks

Chomel

Firefighter/Paramedic

>

> In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

> texaslp@y... writes:

>

> A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are

unified; it’s

> called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are

not going to

> be interested in joining EMSAT.

>

>

>

> Why not?

>

> The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor

are they

> competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level

Association. Two VERY

> different things.

>

> Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have

a few IAFF

> card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

>

> The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in

Washington, DC

> but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF

has a political

> arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be

surprised if I

> found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why

would this

> preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> LNMolino@a...

> (Office)

> (Cell Phone)

> (Office Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the

author and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o

> rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or

associated with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is

intended only for its

> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials

> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the

> original author.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I believe there are more card carrying IAFF members on the EMSAT roles than

most people would realize, I too carry both memberships.

>>>-----Original Message-----

>>> Behalf Of Chris

>>>Long time observer, but have never posted here. In reference to the

>>>IAFF and EMSAT, I see nothing wrong with being a member of both

>>>organizations and would encourage all IAFF members to join.

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks. I would love to attend the meeting. I'll be moving that week, but

I'll see what I can do.

Take care,

In a message dated 11/8/2005 4:27:13 PM Central Standard Time,

agarcia@... writes:

,

You are correct and I applaud you for your participation. I also

belong to other organizations and I try to bring that knowledge to the

meetings to help EMSAT. We will be having a meeting during the conference

and we would love to see you there. Please come and voice your ideas to the

board. I for one will be sitting there and listening to the membership. Hope

to see you there.

Lt./LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

Office ext. 3233

Fax

Why haven't you joined EMSAT? www.texasemsat.org

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel

in Texas?...

Tator Wrote:

" I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT.

Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences

at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

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[Guest guest]

,

Thanks. I would love to attend the meeting. I'll be moving that week, but

I'll see what I can do.

Take care,

In a message dated 11/8/2005 4:27:13 PM Central Standard Time,

agarcia@... writes:

,

You are correct and I applaud you for your participation. I also

belong to other organizations and I try to bring that knowledge to the

meetings to help EMSAT. We will be having a meeting during the conference

and we would love to see you there. Please come and voice your ideas to the

board. I for one will be sitting there and listening to the membership. Hope

to see you there.

Lt./LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

Office ext. 3233

Fax

Why haven't you joined EMSAT? www.texasemsat.org

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel

in Texas?...

Tator Wrote:

" I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT.

Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences

at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yahoo! Groups Links

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[Guest guest]

,

Thanks. I would love to attend the meeting. I'll be moving that week, but

I'll see what I can do.

Take care,

In a message dated 11/8/2005 4:27:13 PM Central Standard Time,

agarcia@... writes:

,

You are correct and I applaud you for your participation. I also

belong to other organizations and I try to bring that knowledge to the

meetings to help EMSAT. We will be having a meeting during the conference

and we would love to see you there. Please come and voice your ideas to the

board. I for one will be sitting there and listening to the membership. Hope

to see you there.

Lt./LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

Office ext. 3233

Fax

Why haven't you joined EMSAT? www.texasemsat.org

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel

in Texas?...

Tator Wrote:

" I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT.

Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences

at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Yahoo! Groups Links

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[Guest guest]

I'd like to also point out something to you folks....not everyone that is

certified through DSHS as an EMT works in the EMS field. There are many

EMT's in other areas like Security/Law Enforcement. Quite a few of the

commissioned security officers, especially those of us that work for

governments and industrial sites, are in fact EMT's. In some instances it is

a requirement as it affects the client's insurance premiums. I have been

certified for nearly 18 years now as an EMT-B and I work as a County

Security Officer here in Dallas. Even though there great numbers of EMT's on

the DSHS rolls, there are far fewer actually working EMS. But also I remind

you that we still have to do our CE's and go through recert as you all do so

we do keep up with the changing times. I am willing to do my part to help us

get more of what we deserve for the jobs we all do. I, for one, would love

to see Firefighters, EMS and Private Security officers too band together to

fight for better pay and benefits and training.

Just don't forget us out here in non-EMS jobs that are on your side too.

Jim Higginbotham

Texas EMT-B/Commissioned Security Officer

>

>Reply-To:

>To:

>Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS

>personnel in Texas?...

>Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:25:06 -0000

>

>Long time observer, but have never posted here. In reference to the

>IAFF and EMSAT, I see nothing wrong with being a member of both

>organizations and would encourage all IAFF members to join.

>

>I am a professional Firefighter/Paramedic who provides Fire

>Department based EMS and I greatly enjoy getting to do both

>functions. So coming from a card carrying member of the IAFF, if

>someone from EMSAT would email me off list with contact information,

>local chapter information, and the general mission of the

>organization, I would love to help in promoting it in my area. Thanks

>

>Chomel

>Firefighter/Paramedic

>

>

>

>

> >

> > In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

> > texaslp@y... writes:

> >

> > A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are

>unified; it’s

> > called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are

>not going to

> > be interested in joining EMSAT.

> >

> >

> >

> > Why not?

> >

> > The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor

>are they

> > competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level

>Association. Two VERY

> > different things.

> >

> > Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have

>a few IAFF

> > card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

> >

> > The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in

>Washington, DC

> > but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF

>has a political

> > arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be

>surprised if I

> > found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why

>would this

> > preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

> >

> > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> > LNMolino@a...

> > (Office)

> > (Cell Phone)

> > (Office Fax)

> >

> > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

> >

> > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the

>author and the

> > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o

> > rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or

>associated with unless I

> > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is

>intended only for its

> > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

>materials

> > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

>domain by the

> > original author.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Again I ask....what does it matter whether one is paid or volunteer. What's

the difference whether a person is dual licensed or not? This whole thing is

about getting the EMS license holders to band together and work for the

betterment of our pay, benefits, and the sort. Sure, the firefighters have

their own federation but what we really need is not an organization for EMS

but rather an organization for EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS!!! ALL EMERGENCY

SERVICE WORKERS!!! EMT's, Firefighters, Police Officers, Security Officers)

We all, in some facet, put our collective butts on the line for the public

good and we deserve more for what we do than the $9-$12 per hour we get. We

deserve better benefits and better training opportunities. For alot of us

out there we have to pay for our CE's and to keep our certs up. It can be

very hard to make it when you are trying to pay a mortgage and car note on

$10 an hour. (even tougher for the VOLUNTEERS!!!) You look at the numbers

out there and you'll discover that about half of the certified EMS'ers out

there are not working EMS but are, like myself, working in Security or other

private industries such as private ambulance services (transfer services).

We are all EMS personnel, just with a different job discription. If we were

all to band together we could finally see things get better for us all. Not

to mention that we can push for tougher standards to weed out those that

don't need to be here. Security is really bad about the lack of standards

and there are many that don't need to be licensed that are and EMS is that

way too. It is a good idea to have organizations like EMSAT and IFFA but it

would be better to have them all together as one big organization with the

police unions and security officers.

Strength in numbers is the way to go!!!

Jim Higginbotham

DSHS EMT-B/Texas Security Officer

>

>Reply-To:

>To:

>Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS

>personnel in Texas?...

>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:35:25 -0600

>

>

> > Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their

> > certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the

> > application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or

> > paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on

> > it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would

> > be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out

> > questionnaires.

>

>Why not do something like TCLEOSE? Require EMS agencies to report the

>hiring and termination (voluntary or involuntary) of EMS

>certified/licensed employees. Not only would this generate the data

>on who's doing what, to whom, and where, but it would begin to hold

>services and certificants alike accountable for their

>employee/employer relations. You could track turnover at various

>companies via the number of hirings/terminations, and you could track

>how many times an EMS person was at a different company, agency, etc.

>

>For TCLEOSE, at least, they even track " how " a person left an agency -

> " honorable " (good conditions, no disciplinary actions in progress or

>pending, etc.), " general " (voluntary, but possibly related to a

>disciplinary action or pending action), and " dishonorable " (directly

>related to disciplinary actions or charges). Obviously this isn't a

>fit for most EMS employment, but how hard would it be to track whether

>or not someone left voluntarily or was asked to leave for poor

>clinical practice, etc.

>

>And before people get their panties in wads, there's an appeal process

>in place (with TCLEOSE) that allows licenseholders to appeal

>documentation of discharge that they feel is unfair to an

>administrative law judge (much like those that hear cases regarding

>suspended driver licenses, suspended medical licenses, etc.).

>

>Anyway, it's an idea. How would it best be applied to EMS? We

>already have CertQuery, so we've already got everyone entered into a

>database - this would just be adding more information.

>

>Mike

[Guest guest]

Again I ask....what does it matter whether one is paid or volunteer. What's

the difference whether a person is dual licensed or not? This whole thing is

about getting the EMS license holders to band together and work for the

betterment of our pay, benefits, and the sort. Sure, the firefighters have

their own federation but what we really need is not an organization for EMS

but rather an organization for EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS!!! ALL EMERGENCY

SERVICE WORKERS!!! EMT's, Firefighters, Police Officers, Security Officers)

We all, in some facet, put our collective butts on the line for the public

good and we deserve more for what we do than the $9-$12 per hour we get. We

deserve better benefits and better training opportunities. For alot of us

out there we have to pay for our CE's and to keep our certs up. It can be

very hard to make it when you are trying to pay a mortgage and car note on

$10 an hour. (even tougher for the VOLUNTEERS!!!) You look at the numbers

out there and you'll discover that about half of the certified EMS'ers out

there are not working EMS but are, like myself, working in Security or other

private industries such as private ambulance services (transfer services).

We are all EMS personnel, just with a different job discription. If we were

all to band together we could finally see things get better for us all. Not

to mention that we can push for tougher standards to weed out those that

don't need to be here. Security is really bad about the lack of standards

and there are many that don't need to be licensed that are and EMS is that

way too. It is a good idea to have organizations like EMSAT and IFFA but it

would be better to have them all together as one big organization with the

police unions and security officers.

Strength in numbers is the way to go!!!

Jim Higginbotham

DSHS EMT-B/Texas Security Officer

>

>Reply-To:

>To:

>Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS

>personnel in Texas?...

>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:35:25 -0600

>

>

> > Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their

> > certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the

> > application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or

> > paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on

> > it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would

> > be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out

> > questionnaires.

>

>Why not do something like TCLEOSE? Require EMS agencies to report the

>hiring and termination (voluntary or involuntary) of EMS

>certified/licensed employees. Not only would this generate the data

>on who's doing what, to whom, and where, but it would begin to hold

>services and certificants alike accountable for their

>employee/employer relations. You could track turnover at various

>companies via the number of hirings/terminations, and you could track

>how many times an EMS person was at a different company, agency, etc.

>

>For TCLEOSE, at least, they even track " how " a person left an agency -

> " honorable " (good conditions, no disciplinary actions in progress or

>pending, etc.), " general " (voluntary, but possibly related to a

>disciplinary action or pending action), and " dishonorable " (directly

>related to disciplinary actions or charges). Obviously this isn't a

>fit for most EMS employment, but how hard would it be to track whether

>or not someone left voluntarily or was asked to leave for poor

>clinical practice, etc.

>

>And before people get their panties in wads, there's an appeal process

>in place (with TCLEOSE) that allows licenseholders to appeal

>documentation of discharge that they feel is unfair to an

>administrative law judge (much like those that hear cases regarding

>suspended driver licenses, suspended medical licenses, etc.).

>

>Anyway, it's an idea. How would it best be applied to EMS? We

>already have CertQuery, so we've already got everyone entered into a

>database - this would just be adding more information.

>

>Mike

[Guest guest]

Jim,

My argument would be that it really doesn’t make a lot of difference, but it

matters. It matters because the Texas EMS Community needs to know the breakdown

of its members. It matters because we need to know where there people are and

what they do when we discuss changing any rules or regulations. This will allow

a better understanding of how proposed changes affect everyone.

It matters because EMSAT needs to know where its members are. It matters

because EMSAT can use this information to help recruit members. For example:

There are approximately 25,000 certified or licensed EMS Personnel that are also

paid professional firefighters. So, why doesn’t EMSAT start attending the

Firefighter Conventions? There are a large number of personnel there that are

not currently being reached. If we find a large number of nurses in the ranks,

EMSAT needs to be looking at Emergency Nursing conventions. If we find a large

number of police officers, security guards, soccer moms….. You get my point.

Statistics help an organization with many aspects, in the case of EMSAT –

growth. I am simply saying we need statistics on EMS personnel in Texas, for

many, many, many, reasons……………….

Tater

Jim Higginbotham wrote:

Again I ask....what does it matter whether one is paid or volunteer. What's

the difference whether a person is dual licensed or not? This whole thing is

about getting the EMS license holders to band together and work for the

betterment of our pay, benefits, and the sort. Sure, the firefighters have

their own federation but what we really need is not an organization for EMS

but rather an organization for EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS!!! ALL EMERGENCY

SERVICE WORKERS!!! EMT's, Firefighters, Police Officers, Security Officers)

We all, in some facet, put our collective butts on the line for the public

good and we deserve more for what we do than the $9-$12 per hour we get. We

deserve better benefits and better training opportunities. For alot of us

out there we have to pay for our CE's and to keep our certs up. It can be

very hard to make it when you are trying to pay a mortgage and car note on

$10 an hour. (even tougher for the VOLUNTEERS!!!) You look at the numbers

out there and you'll discover that about half of the certified EMS'ers out

there are not working EMS but are, like myself, working in Security or other

private industries such as private ambulance services (transfer services).

We are all EMS personnel, just with a different job discription. If we were

all to band together we could finally see things get better for us all. Not

to mention that we can push for tougher standards to weed out those that

don't need to be here. Security is really bad about the lack of standards

and there are many that don't need to be licensed that are and EMS is that

way too. It is a good idea to have organizations like EMSAT and IFFA but it

would be better to have them all together as one big organization with the

police unions and security officers.

Strength in numbers is the way to go!!!

Jim Higginbotham

DSHS EMT-B/Texas Security Officer

>

>Reply-To:

>To:

>Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS

>personnel in Texas?...

>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:35:25 -0600

>

>

> > Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their

> > certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the

> > application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or

> > paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on

> > it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would

> > be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out

> > questionnaires.

>

>Why not do something like TCLEOSE? Require EMS agencies to report the

>hiring and termination (voluntary or involuntary) of EMS

>certified/licensed employees. Not only would this generate the data

>on who's doing what, to whom, and where, but it would begin to hold

>services and certificants alike accountable for their

>employee/employer relations. You could track turnover at various

>companies via the number of hirings/terminations, and you could track

>how many times an EMS person was at a different company, agency, etc.

>

>For TCLEOSE, at least, they even track " how " a person left an agency -

> " honorable " (good conditions, no disciplinary actions in progress or

>pending, etc.), " general " (voluntary, but possibly related to a

>disciplinary action or pending action), and " dishonorable " (directly

>related to disciplinary actions or charges). Obviously this isn't a

>fit for most EMS employment, but how hard would it be to track whether

>or not someone left voluntarily or was asked to leave for poor

>clinical practice, etc.

>

>And before people get their panties in wads, there's an appeal process

>in place (with TCLEOSE) that allows licenseholders to appeal

>documentation of discharge that they feel is unfair to an

>administrative law judge (much like those that hear cases regarding

>suspended driver licenses, suspended medical licenses, etc.).

>

>Anyway, it's an idea. How would it best be applied to EMS? We

>already have CertQuery, so we've already got everyone entered into a

>database - this would just be adding more information.

>

>Mike

[Guest guest]

Jim,

My argument would be that it really doesn’t make a lot of difference, but it

matters. It matters because the Texas EMS Community needs to know the breakdown

of its members. It matters because we need to know where there people are and

what they do when we discuss changing any rules or regulations. This will allow

a better understanding of how proposed changes affect everyone.

It matters because EMSAT needs to know where its members are. It matters

because EMSAT can use this information to help recruit members. For example:

There are approximately 25,000 certified or licensed EMS Personnel that are also

paid professional firefighters. So, why doesn’t EMSAT start attending the

Firefighter Conventions? There are a large number of personnel there that are

not currently being reached. If we find a large number of nurses in the ranks,

EMSAT needs to be looking at Emergency Nursing conventions. If we find a large

number of police officers, security guards, soccer moms….. You get my point.

Statistics help an organization with many aspects, in the case of EMSAT –

growth. I am simply saying we need statistics on EMS personnel in Texas, for

many, many, many, reasons……………….

Tater

Jim Higginbotham wrote:

Again I ask....what does it matter whether one is paid or volunteer. What's

the difference whether a person is dual licensed or not? This whole thing is

about getting the EMS license holders to band together and work for the

betterment of our pay, benefits, and the sort. Sure, the firefighters have

their own federation but what we really need is not an organization for EMS

but rather an organization for EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS!!! ALL EMERGENCY

SERVICE WORKERS!!! EMT's, Firefighters, Police Officers, Security Officers)

We all, in some facet, put our collective butts on the line for the public

good and we deserve more for what we do than the $9-$12 per hour we get. We

deserve better benefits and better training opportunities. For alot of us

out there we have to pay for our CE's and to keep our certs up. It can be

very hard to make it when you are trying to pay a mortgage and car note on

$10 an hour. (even tougher for the VOLUNTEERS!!!) You look at the numbers

out there and you'll discover that about half of the certified EMS'ers out

there are not working EMS but are, like myself, working in Security or other

private industries such as private ambulance services (transfer services).

We are all EMS personnel, just with a different job discription. If we were

all to band together we could finally see things get better for us all. Not

to mention that we can push for tougher standards to weed out those that

don't need to be here. Security is really bad about the lack of standards

and there are many that don't need to be licensed that are and EMS is that

way too. It is a good idea to have organizations like EMSAT and IFFA but it

would be better to have them all together as one big organization with the

police unions and security officers.

Strength in numbers is the way to go!!!

Jim Higginbotham

DSHS EMT-B/Texas Security Officer

>

>Reply-To:

>To:

>Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS

>personnel in Texas?...

>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:35:25 -0600

>

>

> > Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their

> > certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the

> > application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or

> > paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on

> > it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would

> > be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out

> > questionnaires.

>

>Why not do something like TCLEOSE? Require EMS agencies to report the

>hiring and termination (voluntary or involuntary) of EMS

>certified/licensed employees. Not only would this generate the data

>on who's doing what, to whom, and where, but it would begin to hold

>services and certificants alike accountable for their

>employee/employer relations. You could track turnover at various

>companies via the number of hirings/terminations, and you could track

>how many times an EMS person was at a different company, agency, etc.

>

>For TCLEOSE, at least, they even track " how " a person left an agency -

> " honorable " (good conditions, no disciplinary actions in progress or

>pending, etc.), " general " (voluntary, but possibly related to a

>disciplinary action or pending action), and " dishonorable " (directly

>related to disciplinary actions or charges). Obviously this isn't a

>fit for most EMS employment, but how hard would it be to track whether

>or not someone left voluntarily or was asked to leave for poor

>clinical practice, etc.

>

>And before people get their panties in wads, there's an appeal process

>in place (with TCLEOSE) that allows licenseholders to appeal

>documentation of discharge that they feel is unfair to an

>administrative law judge (much like those that hear cases regarding

>suspended driver licenses, suspended medical licenses, etc.).

>

>Anyway, it's an idea. How would it best be applied to EMS? We

>already have CertQuery, so we've already got everyone entered into a

>database - this would just be adding more information.

>

>Mike

[Guest guest]

Jim,

My argument would be that it really doesn’t make a lot of difference, but it

matters. It matters because the Texas EMS Community needs to know the breakdown

of its members. It matters because we need to know where there people are and

what they do when we discuss changing any rules or regulations. This will allow

a better understanding of how proposed changes affect everyone.

It matters because EMSAT needs to know where its members are. It matters

because EMSAT can use this information to help recruit members. For example:

There are approximately 25,000 certified or licensed EMS Personnel that are also

paid professional firefighters. So, why doesn’t EMSAT start attending the

Firefighter Conventions? There are a large number of personnel there that are

not currently being reached. If we find a large number of nurses in the ranks,

EMSAT needs to be looking at Emergency Nursing conventions. If we find a large

number of police officers, security guards, soccer moms….. You get my point.

Statistics help an organization with many aspects, in the case of EMSAT –

growth. I am simply saying we need statistics on EMS personnel in Texas, for

many, many, many, reasons……………….

Tater

Jim Higginbotham wrote:

Again I ask....what does it matter whether one is paid or volunteer. What's

the difference whether a person is dual licensed or not? This whole thing is

about getting the EMS license holders to band together and work for the

betterment of our pay, benefits, and the sort. Sure, the firefighters have

their own federation but what we really need is not an organization for EMS

but rather an organization for EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS!!! ALL EMERGENCY

SERVICE WORKERS!!! EMT's, Firefighters, Police Officers, Security Officers)

We all, in some facet, put our collective butts on the line for the public

good and we deserve more for what we do than the $9-$12 per hour we get. We

deserve better benefits and better training opportunities. For alot of us

out there we have to pay for our CE's and to keep our certs up. It can be

very hard to make it when you are trying to pay a mortgage and car note on

$10 an hour. (even tougher for the VOLUNTEERS!!!) You look at the numbers

out there and you'll discover that about half of the certified EMS'ers out

there are not working EMS but are, like myself, working in Security or other

private industries such as private ambulance services (transfer services).

We are all EMS personnel, just with a different job discription. If we were

all to band together we could finally see things get better for us all. Not

to mention that we can push for tougher standards to weed out those that

don't need to be here. Security is really bad about the lack of standards

and there are many that don't need to be licensed that are and EMS is that

way too. It is a good idea to have organizations like EMSAT and IFFA but it

would be better to have them all together as one big organization with the

police unions and security officers.

Strength in numbers is the way to go!!!

Jim Higginbotham

DSHS EMT-B/Texas Security Officer

>

>Reply-To:

>To:

>Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS

>personnel in Texas?...

>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:35:25 -0600

>

>

> > Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their

> > certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the

> > application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or

> > paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on

> > it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would

> > be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out

> > questionnaires.

>

>Why not do something like TCLEOSE? Require EMS agencies to report the

>hiring and termination (voluntary or involuntary) of EMS

>certified/licensed employees. Not only would this generate the data

>on who's doing what, to whom, and where, but it would begin to hold

>services and certificants alike accountable for their

>employee/employer relations. You could track turnover at various

>companies via the number of hirings/terminations, and you could track

>how many times an EMS person was at a different company, agency, etc.

>

>For TCLEOSE, at least, they even track " how " a person left an agency -

> " honorable " (good conditions, no disciplinary actions in progress or

>pending, etc.), " general " (voluntary, but possibly related to a

>disciplinary action or pending action), and " dishonorable " (directly

>related to disciplinary actions or charges). Obviously this isn't a

>fit for most EMS employment, but how hard would it be to track whether

>or not someone left voluntarily or was asked to leave for poor

>clinical practice, etc.

>

>And before people get their panties in wads, there's an appeal process

>in place (with TCLEOSE) that allows licenseholders to appeal

>documentation of discharge that they feel is unfair to an

>administrative law judge (much like those that hear cases regarding

>suspended driver licenses, suspended medical licenses, etc.).

>

>Anyway, it's an idea. How would it best be applied to EMS? We

>already have CertQuery, so we've already got everyone entered into a

>database - this would just be adding more information.

>

>Mike

[Guest guest]

Typicall, the TSAFF represents the IAFF/union issues for members of local unions

at the Lege. The SFFMA is much more oriented towards training of vollies...

The two each have a different niche. It'd be like if there was an EMS

association representing employee/labor issues for larger paid EMS systems and

another association that focuses on training of small, volunteer EMS agencies...

-Wes

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in

Texas?...

All of what you say has merit and frankly I agree with more of it than my

previous posts may have indicated. I was not aware of the Texas State

Association of Fire Fighters Association but I was a aware of the SFFMA, so it's

interested that we have division even in the fire services or so it seems on the

surface.

In any case you're points are very valid but one thing that likely stands in

the way of the DSHS guys doing any such study or survey is the lack of a

mandate for such a thing. Given that they hare cutting budgets and likely even

staff on a seeming yearly basis I am willing to bet that unless they have some

direct mandate as well as some dedicated funding to undertake such a study

(studies take time and time is man hours and man hours is money) I doubt they

have a capability to do such things at this point in time.

Recently in speaking to some folks that are fremialr with the DSHS BEM

budget I've heard that today's BEM is working on roughly 70% of the budget they

had several years ago. Given that nothing costs what it did several years ago

let alone the price of things like gas and couplerd with the fact that EMS in

Texas has grown in many ways (more services, etc) their pretty stretched at

BEM from what i can see and I " feel their pain " .

I have no rapid solution unless y'all elect me govouner and then maybe I

could " fix things " but then if you did that the rest of the state would go to

pot that much faster.

The thread of this conversation is a very calid one. In an ideal world I'd

love to be able to say to the folks in Austin that EMSAT represented even 10%

of the " card carrying EMS workers in the state of Texas " , to do that I need

about 4,800 to join EMSAT.

So if you're in EMS and you're in Austin please stop by Booth 910 and talk

to any of the Board of Directors or Members that are in that booth and if

you're so inclined please join EMSAT.

LNM

In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:05:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

Lou,

Prepare to he surprised, because there is a state association, it is called

the Texas State Association of Fire Fighters ( http://www.tsaff.org/ )and is

part of the IAFF. TSAFF has a VERY powerful lobbying arm in Austin, much

like its BIG BROTHER in D.C.

I am an IAFF member as well as a member of EMSAT. There are a few others I

am sure, but I assure you we are in the minority. Being a professional

firefighter I know the mentality of fire fighters when the phrase EMS appears.

I

agree, we should not discount the total 23,405 but we can probably eliminate

23,400 of them. I wish this weren't true, but this is the nature of the

beast.

I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them.

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:

In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; itâ?T

s

called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going

to

be interested in joining EMSAT.

Why not?

The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they

competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY

different things.

Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few

IAFF

card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC

but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a

political

arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I

found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this

preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o

rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

the

original author.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

Typicall, the TSAFF represents the IAFF/union issues for members of local unions

at the Lege. The SFFMA is much more oriented towards training of vollies...

The two each have a different niche. It'd be like if there was an EMS

association representing employee/labor issues for larger paid EMS systems and

another association that focuses on training of small, volunteer EMS agencies...

-Wes

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in

Texas?...

All of what you say has merit and frankly I agree with more of it than my

previous posts may have indicated. I was not aware of the Texas State

Association of Fire Fighters Association but I was a aware of the SFFMA, so it's

interested that we have division even in the fire services or so it seems on the

surface.

In any case you're points are very valid but one thing that likely stands in

the way of the DSHS guys doing any such study or survey is the lack of a

mandate for such a thing. Given that they hare cutting budgets and likely even

staff on a seeming yearly basis I am willing to bet that unless they have some

direct mandate as well as some dedicated funding to undertake such a study

(studies take time and time is man hours and man hours is money) I doubt they

have a capability to do such things at this point in time.

Recently in speaking to some folks that are fremialr with the DSHS BEM

budget I've heard that today's BEM is working on roughly 70% of the budget they

had several years ago. Given that nothing costs what it did several years ago

let alone the price of things like gas and couplerd with the fact that EMS in

Texas has grown in many ways (more services, etc) their pretty stretched at

BEM from what i can see and I " feel their pain " .

I have no rapid solution unless y'all elect me govouner and then maybe I

could " fix things " but then if you did that the rest of the state would go to

pot that much faster.

The thread of this conversation is a very calid one. In an ideal world I'd

love to be able to say to the folks in Austin that EMSAT represented even 10%

of the " card carrying EMS workers in the state of Texas " , to do that I need

about 4,800 to join EMSAT.

So if you're in EMS and you're in Austin please stop by Booth 910 and talk

to any of the Board of Directors or Members that are in that booth and if

you're so inclined please join EMSAT.

LNM

In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:05:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

Lou,

Prepare to he surprised, because there is a state association, it is called

the Texas State Association of Fire Fighters ( http://www.tsaff.org/ )and is

part of the IAFF. TSAFF has a VERY powerful lobbying arm in Austin, much

like its BIG BROTHER in D.C.

I am an IAFF member as well as a member of EMSAT. There are a few others I

am sure, but I assure you we are in the minority. Being a professional

firefighter I know the mentality of fire fighters when the phrase EMS appears.

I

agree, we should not discount the total 23,405 but we can probably eliminate

23,400 of them. I wish this weren't true, but this is the nature of the

beast.

I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them.

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:

In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; itâ?T

s

called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going

to

be interested in joining EMSAT.

Why not?

The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they

competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY

different things.

Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few

IAFF

card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC

but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a

political

arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I

found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this

preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o

rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

the

original author.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

,

If you come please come up an introduce yourself. I Look forward to

meeting you and listening to your ideas.

Lt./LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

Office ext. 3233

Fax

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS

personnel

in Texas?...

Tator Wrote:

" I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT.

Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations

that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences

at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

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If you come please come up an introduce yourself. I Look forward to

meeting you and listening to your ideas.

Lt./LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

Office ext. 3233

Fax

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS

personnel

in Texas?...

Tator Wrote:

" I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT.

Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations

that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences

at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

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