RE: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?...

[Guest guest]

,

I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I

did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the box

on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of

10/19/05.

ECA 4,198

EMT-B 27,250

EMT-I 3,646

EMT-P 10,409

LP 5,472

Total 50,975

If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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[Guest guest]

Hi Lou, What is Texas EMS Today? I think I would like to subscribe.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/7/2005 4:03:17 P.M. Central Standard Time,

paoe28@... writes:

Hi Lou, What is Texas EMS Today? I think I would like to subscribe.

Texas EMS is the states monthly magazine you can get the subscription form

at _http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hcqs/ems/subscrpt.htm_

(http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hcqs/ems/subscrpt.htm) . The home page of the

magazine can be found at

_http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hcqs/ems/mag.htm_

(http://www.tdh.state.tx.us/hcqs/ems/mag.htm) .

LNM

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it’s

called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to

be interested in joining EMSAT.

Why not?

The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they

competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY

different things.

Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few IAFF

card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC

but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a political

arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I

found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this

preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

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In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it’s

called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to

be interested in joining EMSAT.

Why not?

The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they

competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY

different things.

Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few IAFF

card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC

but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a political

arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I

found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this

preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o

rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it’s

called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to

be interested in joining EMSAT.

Why not?

The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they

competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY

different things.

Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few IAFF

card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC

but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a political

arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I

found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this

preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

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author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o

rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.

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In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

Is there any way to determine how many of these are dual licensed /

certified as nurses, doctors, etc?

The only way I see to capture that data is to ask on certification or

re-certification. I know that in New Jersey the State Division of Fire Safety

asks

anyone getting a certification at any level from that Agency if they are an

EMT-B or P (the only cert levels NJ has at this time) on the application. On

the other hand the New jersey Department of Health has to my knowledge never

asked any of this type of question. In Pennsylvania if you are an RN and hold

an EMS Certification you can request certification as a " Pre-hospital RN " but

are not " required " to do so hence they only capture the RN's that go through

that process for whatever reason.

One of the problems facing EMSAT and for that matter any state level

association of any type in the state of Texas is the diversity and size of the

state

and its make up. I've been fortunate in three years to have traveled from

the far southern Valley to the uppermost Panhandle and from El Paso to Beaumont

and all in between. The size and make up of the state are frankly our biggest

hurdle to making EMSAT truly viable as a state level representative to EMS

in Texas.

We are going to be discussing Chapters and the like at the Annual EMSAT

Meeting held in concert with the State Conference in Austin (details will be

posted here soon). I invite and implore those of you that care about EMS in

Texas

to come to that meeting and to make your voice heard.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

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(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

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author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

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stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

Is there any way to determine how many of these are dual licensed /

certified as nurses, doctors, etc?

The only way I see to capture that data is to ask on certification or

re-certification. I know that in New Jersey the State Division of Fire Safety

asks

anyone getting a certification at any level from that Agency if they are an

EMT-B or P (the only cert levels NJ has at this time) on the application. On

the other hand the New jersey Department of Health has to my knowledge never

asked any of this type of question. In Pennsylvania if you are an RN and hold

an EMS Certification you can request certification as a " Pre-hospital RN " but

are not " required " to do so hence they only capture the RN's that go through

that process for whatever reason.

One of the problems facing EMSAT and for that matter any state level

association of any type in the state of Texas is the diversity and size of the

state

and its make up. I've been fortunate in three years to have traveled from

the far southern Valley to the uppermost Panhandle and from El Paso to Beaumont

and all in between. The size and make up of the state are frankly our biggest

hurdle to making EMSAT truly viable as a state level representative to EMS

in Texas.

We are going to be discussing Chapters and the like at the Annual EMSAT

Meeting held in concert with the State Conference in Austin (details will be

posted here soon). I invite and implore those of you that care about EMS in

Texas

to come to that meeting and to make your voice heard.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

Is there any way to determine how many of these are dual licensed /

certified as nurses, doctors, etc?

The only way I see to capture that data is to ask on certification or

re-certification. I know that in New Jersey the State Division of Fire Safety

asks

anyone getting a certification at any level from that Agency if they are an

EMT-B or P (the only cert levels NJ has at this time) on the application. On

the other hand the New jersey Department of Health has to my knowledge never

asked any of this type of question. In Pennsylvania if you are an RN and hold

an EMS Certification you can request certification as a " Pre-hospital RN " but

are not " required " to do so hence they only capture the RN's that go through

that process for whatever reason.

One of the problems facing EMSAT and for that matter any state level

association of any type in the state of Texas is the diversity and size of the

state

and its make up. I've been fortunate in three years to have traveled from

the far southern Valley to the uppermost Panhandle and from El Paso to Beaumont

and all in between. The size and make up of the state are frankly our biggest

hurdle to making EMSAT truly viable as a state level representative to EMS

in Texas.

We are going to be discussing Chapters and the like at the Annual EMSAT

Meeting held in concert with the State Conference in Austin (details will be

posted here soon). I invite and implore those of you that care about EMS in

Texas

to come to that meeting and to make your voice heard.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

Tator Wrote:

" I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

[Guest guest]

Tator Wrote:

" I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

[Guest guest]

Tator Wrote:

" I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

[Guest guest]

All of what you say has merit and frankly I agree with more of it than my

previous posts may have indicated. I was not aware of the Texas State

Association of Fire Fighters Association but I was a aware of the SFFMA, so it's

interested that we have division even in the fire services or so it seems on the

surface.

In any case you're points are very valid but one thing that likely stands in

the way of the DSHS guys doing any such study or survey is the lack of a

mandate for such a thing. Given that they hare cutting budgets and likely even

staff on a seeming yearly basis I am willing to bet that unless they have some

direct mandate as well as some dedicated funding to undertake such a study

(studies take time and time is man hours and man hours is money) I doubt they

have a capability to do such things at this point in time.

Recently in speaking to some folks that are fremialr with the DSHS BEM

budget I've heard that today's BEM is working on roughly 70% of the budget they

had several years ago. Given that nothing costs what it did several years ago

let alone the price of things like gas and couplerd with the fact that EMS in

Texas has grown in many ways (more services, etc) their pretty stretched at

BEM from what i can see and I " feel their pain " .

I have no rapid solution unless y'all elect me govouner and then maybe I

could " fix things " but then if you did that the rest of the state would go to

pot that much faster.

The thread of this conversation is a very calid one. In an ideal world I'd

love to be able to say to the folks in Austin that EMSAT represented even 10%

of the " card carrying EMS workers in the state of Texas " , to do that I need

about 4,800 to join EMSAT.

So if you're in EMS and you're in Austin please stop by Booth 910 and talk

to any of the Board of Directors or Members that are in that booth and if

you're so inclined please join EMSAT.

LNM

In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:05:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

Lou,

Prepare to he surprised, because there is a state association, it is called

the Texas State Association of Fire Fighters ( http://www.tsaff.org/ )and is

part of the IAFF. TSAFF has a VERY powerful lobbying arm in Austin, much

like its BIG BROTHER in D.C.

I am an IAFF member as well as a member of EMSAT. There are a few others I

am sure, but I assure you we are in the minority. Being a professional

firefighter I know the mentality of fire fighters when the phrase EMS appears.

I

agree, we should not discount the total 23,405 but we can probably eliminate

23,400 of them. I wish this weren’t true, but this is the nature of the

beast.

I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them.

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:

In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified;

it’

s

called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going

to

be interested in joining EMSAT.

Why not?

The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they

competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY

different things.

Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few

IAFF

card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC

but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a

political

arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I

found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this

preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o

rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

the

original author.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

All of what you say has merit and frankly I agree with more of it than my

previous posts may have indicated. I was not aware of the Texas State

Association of Fire Fighters Association but I was a aware of the SFFMA, so it's

interested that we have division even in the fire services or so it seems on the

surface.

In any case you're points are very valid but one thing that likely stands in

the way of the DSHS guys doing any such study or survey is the lack of a

mandate for such a thing. Given that they hare cutting budgets and likely even

staff on a seeming yearly basis I am willing to bet that unless they have some

direct mandate as well as some dedicated funding to undertake such a study

(studies take time and time is man hours and man hours is money) I doubt they

have a capability to do such things at this point in time.

Recently in speaking to some folks that are fremialr with the DSHS BEM

budget I've heard that today's BEM is working on roughly 70% of the budget they

had several years ago. Given that nothing costs what it did several years ago

let alone the price of things like gas and couplerd with the fact that EMS in

Texas has grown in many ways (more services, etc) their pretty stretched at

BEM from what i can see and I " feel their pain " .

I have no rapid solution unless y'all elect me govouner and then maybe I

could " fix things " but then if you did that the rest of the state would go to

pot that much faster.

The thread of this conversation is a very calid one. In an ideal world I'd

love to be able to say to the folks in Austin that EMSAT represented even 10%

of the " card carrying EMS workers in the state of Texas " , to do that I need

about 4,800 to join EMSAT.

So if you're in EMS and you're in Austin please stop by Booth 910 and talk

to any of the Board of Directors or Members that are in that booth and if

you're so inclined please join EMSAT.

LNM

In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:05:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

Lou,

Prepare to he surprised, because there is a state association, it is called

the Texas State Association of Fire Fighters ( http://www.tsaff.org/ )and is

part of the IAFF. TSAFF has a VERY powerful lobbying arm in Austin, much

like its BIG BROTHER in D.C.

I am an IAFF member as well as a member of EMSAT. There are a few others I

am sure, but I assure you we are in the minority. Being a professional

firefighter I know the mentality of fire fighters when the phrase EMS appears.

I

agree, we should not discount the total 23,405 but we can probably eliminate

23,400 of them. I wish this weren’t true, but this is the nature of the

beast.

I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them.

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:

In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified;

it’

s

called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going

to

be interested in joining EMSAT.

Why not?

The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they

competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY

different things.

Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few

IAFF

card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC

but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a

political

arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I

found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this

preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o

rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

the

original author.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

All of what you say has merit and frankly I agree with more of it than my

previous posts may have indicated. I was not aware of the Texas State

Association of Fire Fighters Association but I was a aware of the SFFMA, so it's

interested that we have division even in the fire services or so it seems on the

surface.

In any case you're points are very valid but one thing that likely stands in

the way of the DSHS guys doing any such study or survey is the lack of a

mandate for such a thing. Given that they hare cutting budgets and likely even

staff on a seeming yearly basis I am willing to bet that unless they have some

direct mandate as well as some dedicated funding to undertake such a study

(studies take time and time is man hours and man hours is money) I doubt they

have a capability to do such things at this point in time.

Recently in speaking to some folks that are fremialr with the DSHS BEM

budget I've heard that today's BEM is working on roughly 70% of the budget they

had several years ago. Given that nothing costs what it did several years ago

let alone the price of things like gas and couplerd with the fact that EMS in

Texas has grown in many ways (more services, etc) their pretty stretched at

BEM from what i can see and I " feel their pain " .

I have no rapid solution unless y'all elect me govouner and then maybe I

could " fix things " but then if you did that the rest of the state would go to

pot that much faster.

The thread of this conversation is a very calid one. In an ideal world I'd

love to be able to say to the folks in Austin that EMSAT represented even 10%

of the " card carrying EMS workers in the state of Texas " , to do that I need

about 4,800 to join EMSAT.

So if you're in EMS and you're in Austin please stop by Booth 910 and talk

to any of the Board of Directors or Members that are in that booth and if

you're so inclined please join EMSAT.

LNM

In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:05:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

Lou,

Prepare to he surprised, because there is a state association, it is called

the Texas State Association of Fire Fighters ( http://www.tsaff.org/ )and is

part of the IAFF. TSAFF has a VERY powerful lobbying arm in Austin, much

like its BIG BROTHER in D.C.

I am an IAFF member as well as a member of EMSAT. There are a few others I

am sure, but I assure you we are in the minority. Being a professional

firefighter I know the mentality of fire fighters when the phrase EMS appears.

I

agree, we should not discount the total 23,405 but we can probably eliminate

23,400 of them. I wish this weren’t true, but this is the nature of the

beast.

I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them.

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:

In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified;

it’

s

called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going

to

be interested in joining EMSAT.

Why not?

The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they

competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY

different things.

Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few

IAFF

card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC

but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a

political

arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I

found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this

preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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Thanks !

We need every EMSAT Member to be come a recruiter, hell if we even could

double our ranks that would be a start!

I'm old so I remember this commercial for I think it was Breck shampoo, they

told one then she told one etc etc etc and soon you had a TV full of very

little pictures!

Some one once said " go forth and multiply " , in EMS that could get us in some

trouble but take it in the context that it is meant in the case of EMSAT!

LNM

In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:22:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,

lisawhir@... writes:

Tator Wrote:

" I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT.

Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences

at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

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[Guest guest]

Thanks !

We need every EMSAT Member to be come a recruiter, hell if we even could

double our ranks that would be a start!

I'm old so I remember this commercial for I think it was Breck shampoo, they

told one then she told one etc etc etc and soon you had a TV full of very

little pictures!

Some one once said " go forth and multiply " , in EMS that could get us in some

trouble but take it in the context that it is meant in the case of EMSAT!

LNM

In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:22:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,

lisawhir@... writes:

Tator Wrote:

" I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT.

Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences

at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

Thanks !

We need every EMSAT Member to be come a recruiter, hell if we even could

double our ranks that would be a start!

I'm old so I remember this commercial for I think it was Breck shampoo, they

told one then she told one etc etc etc and soon you had a TV full of very

little pictures!

Some one once said " go forth and multiply " , in EMS that could get us in some

trouble but take it in the context that it is meant in the case of EMSAT!

LNM

In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:22:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,

lisawhir@... writes:

Tator Wrote:

" I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT.

Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences

at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:38:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,

paramedicop@... writes:

Anyway, it's an idea. How would it best be applied to EMS? We

already have CertQuery, so we've already got everyone entered into a

database - this would just be adding more information.

Yes but again it's a time and budget issue, no mandate means that they

likely can't commit staff and or other resources unless of course they cut

something else from their " discretional " budget, that being those things that

are

not some how funded via a mandate. It's like the fees for the EMS Magazine

where you need to write a separate check to pay for that so they can use those

funds for that purpose.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

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In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:29:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

I'm making my wife join! No options, just do it! :-D

Mike why do you insist on being such a blatant liar on this list?

A man MAKING his wife do anything, please ever since that first apple in the

Garden of Eden everyone knows who runs the planet. She's likely letting you

think you're making her.

Making her how funny........

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:29:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

I'm making my wife join! No options, just do it! :-D

Mike why do you insist on being such a blatant liar on this list?

A man MAKING his wife do anything, please ever since that first apple in the

Garden of Eden everyone knows who runs the planet. She's likely letting you

think you're making her.

Making her how funny........

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

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(Cell Phone)

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In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:29:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

I may be the black sheep of the industry by saying this, but we can learn a

lot from nurses.

On a more serious note, if more of us on both sides of all the various

fences would take a minute to learn from the other we'd all be better off.

I spent 8 days with a bunch of cops everyone learned a lot about each other,

I've trained everyone of the " Ten ODP First Responder Disciplines " and in

nearly every class I learned something from the 7 that I have little or no

experience in.

It's not hard all you need to do is open your ears and mind!

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

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(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:29:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

I may be the black sheep of the industry by saying this, but we can learn a

lot from nurses.

On a more serious note, if more of us on both sides of all the various

fences would take a minute to learn from the other we'd all be better off.

I spent 8 days with a bunch of cops everyone learned a lot about each other,

I've trained everyone of the " Ten ODP First Responder Disciplines " and in

nearly every class I learned something from the 7 that I have little or no

experience in.

It's not hard all you need to do is open your ears and mind!

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

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In a message dated 11/8/2005 3:02:33 P.M. Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

You sir, are NOT allowed to buzz kill me, thats HER job. <muttering> dern

yankees! ;-)

I would never presume to take her job I am sure that she is a very capably

killer (they all are seemingly right after the ring goes on?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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In a message dated 11/8/2005 3:02:33 P.M. Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

You sir, are NOT allowed to buzz kill me, thats HER job. <muttering> dern

yankees! ;-)

I would never presume to take her job I am sure that she is a very capably

killer (they all are seemingly right after the ring goes on?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

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