RE: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?...

[Guest guest]

Now we’re getting somewhere.

According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS

Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas

Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time

Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that are

“unaccounted” for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a total

of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in Texas. Most

of these will have at least an ECA.

I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things

accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405

firefighters are unified; it’s called the International Association of

Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT.

No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine how

many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc?

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:,

I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I

did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the box

on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of

10/19/05.

ECA 4,198

EMT-B 27,250

EMT-I 3,646

EMT-P 10,409

LP 5,472

Total 50,975

If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

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stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

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[Guest guest]

Now we’re getting somewhere.

According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS

Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas

Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time

Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that are

“unaccounted” for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a total

of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in Texas. Most

of these will have at least an ECA.

I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things

accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405

firefighters are unified; it’s called the International Association of

Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT.

No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine how

many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc?

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:,

I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I

did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the box

on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of

10/19/05.

ECA 4,198

EMT-B 27,250

EMT-I 3,646

EMT-P 10,409

LP 5,472

Total 50,975

If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

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author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

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I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

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stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

you have been doing your homework. Thanks for the report and it will

be interesting to see what the final outcome is. Hope to see you at the

conference so we can talk about this. Take care my friend.

Lt./LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

Office ext 3233

Fax

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel

in Texas?...

Now we're getting somewhere.

According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS

Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas

Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time

Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that

are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a

total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in

Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA.

I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things

accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405

firefighters are unified; it's called the International Association of

Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT.

No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine

how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc?

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:,

I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I

did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the

box

on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of

10/19/05.

ECA 4,198

EMT-B 27,250

EMT-I 3,646

EMT-P 10,409

LP 5,472

Total 50,975

If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

the

original author.

[Guest guest]

you have been doing your homework. Thanks for the report and it will

be interesting to see what the final outcome is. Hope to see you at the

conference so we can talk about this. Take care my friend.

Lt./LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

Office ext 3233

Fax

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel

in Texas?...

Now we're getting somewhere.

According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS

Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas

Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time

Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that

are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a

total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in

Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA.

I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things

accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405

firefighters are unified; it's called the International Association of

Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT.

No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine

how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc?

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:,

I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I

did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the

box

on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of

10/19/05.

ECA 4,198

EMT-B 27,250

EMT-I 3,646

EMT-P 10,409

LP 5,472

Total 50,975

If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

the

original author.

[Guest guest]

you have been doing your homework. Thanks for the report and it will

be interesting to see what the final outcome is. Hope to see you at the

conference so we can talk about this. Take care my friend.

Lt./LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

Office ext 3233

Fax

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel

in Texas?...

Now we're getting somewhere.

According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS

Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas

Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time

Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that

are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a

total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in

Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA.

I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things

accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405

firefighters are unified; it's called the International Association of

Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT.

No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine

how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc?

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:,

I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I

did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the

box

on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of

10/19/05.

ECA 4,198

EMT-B 27,250

EMT-I 3,646

EMT-P 10,409

LP 5,472

Total 50,975

If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

the

original author.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/8/2005 3:21:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

I am very interested in seeing EMSAT succeed and would like to be included

in the “local chapter†organization. I know this is on the agenda for the

upcoming meeting. I will be in contact with you and other board members in

the coming days to discuss my thoughts on this development.

I don't care what the guys in Tyler say you're an OK guy!

just kidding, too bad you're gonna miss the conference.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

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(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

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author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their

certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the

application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or

paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on

it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would

be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out

questionnaires.

Crosby

EMT-B

________________________________

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:22 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS

personnel in Texas?...

Now we're getting somewhere.

According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified

EMS Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the

Texas Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or

Part-Time Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS

Personnel that are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total.

Additionally there are a total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive

certified firefighters in Texas. Most of these will have at least an

ECA.

I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting

things accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above

listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it's called the International

Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in

joining EMSAT.

No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to

determine how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses,

doctors, etc?

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:,

I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking

but I

did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice

the box

on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of

10/19/05.

ECA 4,198

EMT-B 27,250

EMT-I 3,646

EMT-P 10,409

LP 5,472

Total 50,975

If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move

mountains.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author

and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated

with unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

only for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their

certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the

application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or

paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on

it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would

be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out

questionnaires.

Crosby

EMT-B

________________________________

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:22 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS

personnel in Texas?...

Now we're getting somewhere.

According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified

EMS Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the

Texas Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or

Part-Time Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS

Personnel that are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total.

Additionally there are a total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive

certified firefighters in Texas. Most of these will have at least an

ECA.

I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting

things accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above

listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it's called the International

Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in

joining EMSAT.

No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to

determine how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses,

doctors, etc?

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:,

I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking

but I

did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice

the box

on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of

10/19/05.

ECA 4,198

EMT-B 27,250

EMT-I 3,646

EMT-P 10,409

LP 5,472

Total 50,975

If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move

mountains.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author

and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated

with unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

only for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their

certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the

application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or

paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on

it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would

be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out

questionnaires.

Crosby

EMT-B

________________________________

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of E. Tate

Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:22 AM

To:

Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS

personnel in Texas?...

Now we're getting somewhere.

According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified

EMS Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the

Texas Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or

Part-Time Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS

Personnel that are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total.

Additionally there are a total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive

certified firefighters in Texas. Most of these will have at least an

ECA.

I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting

things accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above

listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it's called the International

Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in

joining EMSAT.

No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to

determine how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses,

doctors, etc?

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:,

I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking

but I

did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice

the box

on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of

10/19/05.

ECA 4,198

EMT-B 27,250

EMT-I 3,646

EMT-P 10,409

LP 5,472

Total 50,975

If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move

mountains.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

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and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated

with unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

only for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

Hey LMN,

No thanks needed. I've gotta tell ya though, I'm NOT old ... not really

anyway ... okay, maybe a little old. But, I remember that commercial too.

And the " go forth and multiply " stuff ... careful now. That's a scary

thought.

In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:51:33 PM Central Standard Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

Thanks !

We need every EMSAT Member to be come a recruiter, hell if we even could

double our ranks that would be a start!

I'm old so I remember this commercial for I think it was Breck shampoo,

they

told one then she told one etc etc etc and soon you had a TV full of very

little pictures!

Some one once said " go forth and multiply " , in EMS that could get us in

some

trouble but take it in the context that it is meant in the case of EMSAT!

LNM

In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:22:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,

lisawhir@... writes:

Tator Wrote:

" I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT.

Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of

the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations

that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences

at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

Lou,

Prepare to he surprised, because there is a state association, it is called the

Texas State Association of Fire Fighters ( http://www.tsaff.org/ )and is part of

the IAFF. TSAFF has a VERY powerful lobbying arm in Austin, much like its BIG

BROTHER in D.C.

I am an IAFF member as well as a member of EMSAT. There are a few others I am

sure, but I assure you we are in the minority. Being a professional firefighter

I know the mentality of fire fighters when the phrase EMS appears. I agree, we

should not discount the total 23,405 but we can probably eliminate 23,400 of

them. I wish this weren’t true, but this is the nature of the beast.

I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome

to be able to show “hard numbers”. The same argument holds true for nurses.

Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They

belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to

the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts

as I see them.

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:

In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it’s

called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to

be interested in joining EMSAT.

Why not?

The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they

competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY

different things.

Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few IAFF

card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC

but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a political

arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I

found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this

preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o

rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless

I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

Lou,

Prepare to he surprised, because there is a state association, it is called the

Texas State Association of Fire Fighters ( http://www.tsaff.org/ )and is part of

the IAFF. TSAFF has a VERY powerful lobbying arm in Austin, much like its BIG

BROTHER in D.C.

I am an IAFF member as well as a member of EMSAT. There are a few others I am

sure, but I assure you we are in the minority. Being a professional firefighter

I know the mentality of fire fighters when the phrase EMS appears. I agree, we

should not discount the total 23,405 but we can probably eliminate 23,400 of

them. I wish this weren’t true, but this is the nature of the beast.

I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome

to be able to show “hard numbers”. The same argument holds true for nurses.

Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They

belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to

the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts

as I see them.

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:

In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

texaslp@... writes:

A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it’s

called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to

be interested in joining EMSAT.

Why not?

The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they

competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY

different things.

Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few IAFF

card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC

but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a political

arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I

found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this

preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

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author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o

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I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for

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stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

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[Guest guest]

I'm making my wife join! No options, just do it! :-D

She's an RN, with no EMS training, yet. But, she has a vested interest in where

EMS goes, and not just being maried to a paramedic. Her interactions with EMS

everyday effect her. And quite frankly, she has some good suggestions to bring

forward, and we can use all we can! I may be the black sheep of the industry by

saying this, but we can learn a lot from nurses.

Mike

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel

in Texas?...

Tator Wrote:

" I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT.

Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

[Guest guest]

I'm making my wife join! No options, just do it! :-D

She's an RN, with no EMS training, yet. But, she has a vested interest in where

EMS goes, and not just being maried to a paramedic. Her interactions with EMS

everyday effect her. And quite frankly, she has some good suggestions to bring

forward, and we can use all we can! I may be the black sheep of the industry by

saying this, but we can learn a lot from nurses.

Mike

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel

in Texas?...

Tator Wrote:

" I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT.

Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

[Guest guest]

I'm making my wife join! No options, just do it! :-D

She's an RN, with no EMS training, yet. But, she has a vested interest in where

EMS goes, and not just being maried to a paramedic. Her interactions with EMS

everyday effect her. And quite frankly, she has some good suggestions to bring

forward, and we can use all we can! I may be the black sheep of the industry by

saying this, but we can learn a lot from nurses.

Mike

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel

in Texas?...

Tator Wrote:

" I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT.

Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

[Guest guest]

Absolutely. I just hope the nurses recognize that they can learn from us as

well....

-Wes

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel

in Texas?...

Tator Wrote:

" I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT.

Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

[Guest guest]

Absolutely. I just hope the nurses recognize that they can learn from us as

well....

-Wes

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel

in Texas?...

Tator Wrote:

" I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT.

Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

[Guest guest]

> Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their

> certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the

> application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or

> paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on

> it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would

> be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out

> questionnaires.

Why not do something like TCLEOSE? Require EMS agencies to report the

hiring and termination (voluntary or involuntary) of EMS

certified/licensed employees. Not only would this generate the data

on who's doing what, to whom, and where, but it would begin to hold

services and certificants alike accountable for their

employee/employer relations. You could track turnover at various

companies via the number of hirings/terminations, and you could track

how many times an EMS person was at a different company, agency, etc.

For TCLEOSE, at least, they even track " how " a person left an agency -

" honorable " (good conditions, no disciplinary actions in progress or

pending, etc.), " general " (voluntary, but possibly related to a

disciplinary action or pending action), and " dishonorable " (directly

related to disciplinary actions or charges). Obviously this isn't a

fit for most EMS employment, but how hard would it be to track whether

or not someone left voluntarily or was asked to leave for poor

clinical practice, etc.

And before people get their panties in wads, there's an appeal process

in place (with TCLEOSE) that allows licenseholders to appeal

documentation of discharge that they feel is unfair to an

administrative law judge (much like those that hear cases regarding

suspended driver licenses, suspended medical licenses, etc.).

Anyway, it's an idea. How would it best be applied to EMS? We

already have CertQuery, so we've already got everyone entered into a

database - this would just be adding more information.

Mike

[Guest guest]

> Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their

> certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the

> application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or

> paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on

> it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would

> be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out

> questionnaires.

Why not do something like TCLEOSE? Require EMS agencies to report the

hiring and termination (voluntary or involuntary) of EMS

certified/licensed employees. Not only would this generate the data

on who's doing what, to whom, and where, but it would begin to hold

services and certificants alike accountable for their

employee/employer relations. You could track turnover at various

companies via the number of hirings/terminations, and you could track

how many times an EMS person was at a different company, agency, etc.

For TCLEOSE, at least, they even track " how " a person left an agency -

" honorable " (good conditions, no disciplinary actions in progress or

pending, etc.), " general " (voluntary, but possibly related to a

disciplinary action or pending action), and " dishonorable " (directly

related to disciplinary actions or charges). Obviously this isn't a

fit for most EMS employment, but how hard would it be to track whether

or not someone left voluntarily or was asked to leave for poor

clinical practice, etc.

And before people get their panties in wads, there's an appeal process

in place (with TCLEOSE) that allows licenseholders to appeal

documentation of discharge that they feel is unfair to an

administrative law judge (much like those that hear cases regarding

suspended driver licenses, suspended medical licenses, etc.).

Anyway, it's an idea. How would it best be applied to EMS? We

already have CertQuery, so we've already got everyone entered into a

database - this would just be adding more information.

Mike

[Guest guest]

You sir, are NOT allowed to buzz kill me, thats HER job. <muttering> dern

yankees! ;-)

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS

personnel in Texas?...

In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:29:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

I'm making my wife join! No options, just do it! :-D

Mike why do you insist on being such a blatant liar on this list?

A man MAKING his wife do anything, please ever since that first apple in

the

Garden of Eden everyone knows who runs the planet. She's likely letting

you

think you're making her.

Making her how funny........

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

only for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain

by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

You sir, are NOT allowed to buzz kill me, thats HER job. <muttering> dern

yankees! ;-)

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS

personnel in Texas?...

In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:29:19 P.M. Central Standard Time,

manemtp@... writes:

I'm making my wife join! No options, just do it! :-D

Mike why do you insist on being such a blatant liar on this list?

A man MAKING his wife do anything, please ever since that first apple in

the

Garden of Eden everyone knows who runs the planet. She's likely letting

you

think you're making her.

Making her how funny........

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended

only for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain

by the

original author.

[Guest guest]

,

Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend the conference this year. My

brother was displaced by Hurricane Rita from the Orange area and we’re in way

over hour heads trying to get them planted here in Tyler. He has landed a good

job and we’re working on permanent (at least semi-permanent) housing at this

time. For those of you that have never dealt with new water meters, electric

meters, sewer systems…….. DON’T!!!!!

I am very interested in seeing EMSAT succeed and would like to be included in

the “local chapter” organization. I know this is on the agenda for the upcoming

meeting. I will be in contact with you and other board members in the coming

days to discuss my thoughts on this development.

Tater

wrote: you have been doing

your homework. Thanks for the report and it will

be interesting to see what the final outcome is. Hope to see you at the

conference so we can talk about this. Take care my friend.

Lt./LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

Office ext 3233

Fax

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel

in Texas?...

Now we're getting somewhere.

According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS

Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas

Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time

Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that

are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a

total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in

Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA.

I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things

accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405

firefighters are unified; it's called the International Association of

Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT.

No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine

how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc?

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:,

I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I

did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the

box

on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of

10/19/05.

ECA 4,198

EMT-B 27,250

EMT-I 3,646

EMT-P 10,409

LP 5,472

Total 50,975

If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

the

original author.

[Guest guest]

,

Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend the conference this year. My

brother was displaced by Hurricane Rita from the Orange area and we’re in way

over hour heads trying to get them planted here in Tyler. He has landed a good

job and we’re working on permanent (at least semi-permanent) housing at this

time. For those of you that have never dealt with new water meters, electric

meters, sewer systems…….. DON’T!!!!!

I am very interested in seeing EMSAT succeed and would like to be included in

the “local chapter” organization. I know this is on the agenda for the upcoming

meeting. I will be in contact with you and other board members in the coming

days to discuss my thoughts on this development.

Tater

wrote: you have been doing

your homework. Thanks for the report and it will

be interesting to see what the final outcome is. Hope to see you at the

conference so we can talk about this. Take care my friend.

Lt./LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

Office ext 3233

Fax

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel

in Texas?...

Now we're getting somewhere.

According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS

Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas

Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time

Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that

are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a

total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in

Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA.

I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things

accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405

firefighters are unified; it's called the International Association of

Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT.

No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine

how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc?

Tater

lnmolino@... wrote:,

I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I

did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the

box

on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of

10/19/05.

ECA 4,198

EMT-B 27,250

EMT-I 3,646

EMT-P 10,409

LP 5,472

Total 50,975

If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

LNMolino@...

(Office)

(Cell Phone)

(Office Fax)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and

the

author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or

organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with

unless I

specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only

for its

stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials

retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by

the

original author.

[Guest guest]

,

You are correct and I applaud you for your participation. I also

belong to other organizations and I try to bring that knowledge to the

meetings to help EMSAT. We will be having a meeting during the conference

and we would love to see you there. Please come and voice your ideas to the

board. I for one will be sitting there and listening to the membership. Hope

to see you there.

Lt./LP

Vernon College

FIRE/EMS Training Program

4105 Maplewood

Wichita Falls, Texas 76308

Office ext. 3233

Fax

Why haven't you joined EMSAT? www.texasemsat.org

Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel

in Texas?...

Tator Wrote:

" I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to

overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true

for

nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT.

Why?

They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters

belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just

stating

the facts as I see them. "

Hi Tator,

You may be right, but then again, maybe not.

I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing

associations as well (ENA and AACN).

I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the

people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and

concerns.

I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that

we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences

at

EMSAT meetings.

Just a thought,

, LP, RN, FP-C

[Guest guest]

Long time observer, but have never posted here. In reference to the

IAFF and EMSAT, I see nothing wrong with being a member of both

organizations and would encourage all IAFF members to join.

I am a professional Firefighter/Paramedic who provides Fire

Department based EMS and I greatly enjoy getting to do both

functions. So coming from a card carrying member of the IAFF, if

someone from EMSAT would email me off list with contact information,

local chapter information, and the general mission of the

organization, I would love to help in promoting it in my area. Thanks

Chomel

Firefighter/Paramedic

>

> In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time,

> texaslp@y... writes:

>

> A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are

unified; it’s

> called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are

not going to

> be interested in joining EMSAT.

>

>

>

> Why not?

>

> The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor

are they

> competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level

Association. Two VERY

> different things.

>

> Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have

a few IAFF

> card holders that are already EMSAT Members.

>

> The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in

Washington, DC

> but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF

has a political

> arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be

surprised if I

> found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why

would this

> preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members?

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> LNMolino@a...

> (Office)

> (Cell Phone)

> (Office Fax)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the

author and the

> author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o

> rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or

associated with unless I

> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is

intended only for its

> stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential

materials

> retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public

domain by the

> original author.

>

>

>