Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Long time observer, but have never posted here. In reference to the IAFF and EMSAT, I see nothing wrong with being a member of both organizations and would encourage all IAFF members to join. I am a professional Firefighter/Paramedic who provides Fire Department based EMS and I greatly enjoy getting to do both functions. So coming from a card carrying member of the IAFF, if someone from EMSAT would email me off list with contact information, local chapter information, and the general mission of the organization, I would love to help in promoting it in my area. Thanks Chomel Firefighter/Paramedic > > In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, > texaslp@y... writes: > > A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it’s > called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to > be interested in joining EMSAT. > > > > Why not? > > The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they > competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY > different things. > > Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few IAFF > card holders that are already EMSAT Members. > > The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC > but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a political > arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I > found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this > preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@a... > (Office) > (Cell Phone) > (Office Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o > rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the > original author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 , Families always come first and believe me when I say that. I have a daughter and three grandchildren that have moved in with me and I am doing the same thing here. Trying to get them on their feet and getting them established with a permanent home and job. I will miss you at the conference but I assure you your name is on my list for the Chapters. Thank you for all that you do and please know that you can contact me anytime you need to. Take care my friend. Lt./LP Vernon College FIRE/EMS Training Program 4105 Maplewood Wichita Falls, Texas 76308 Office ext. 3233 Fax Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Now we're getting somewhere. According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA. I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it's called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT. No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc? Tater lnmolino@... wrote:, I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the box on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of 10/19/05. ECA 4,198 EMT-B 27,250 EMT-I 3,646 EMT-P 10,409 LP 5,472 Total 50,975 If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Or should I say brother firefighter my name is and I am the Vice Chair of EMSAT. I am also a professional Firefighter/Paramedic and a card carrying member of the IAFF too (25 years Wichita Falls Fire Department). Here is the website http://www.texasemsat.org/default.htm or if you want to call me my cell number is . Look forward to talking with you. Lt./LP Vernon College FIRE/EMS Training Program 4105 Maplewood Wichita Falls, Texas 76308 Office ext. 3233 Fax Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Long time observer, but have never posted here. In reference to the IAFF and EMSAT, I see nothing wrong with being a member of both organizations and would encourage all IAFF members to join. I am a professional Firefighter/Paramedic who provides Fire Department based EMS and I greatly enjoy getting to do both functions. So coming from a card carrying member of the IAFF, if someone from EMSAT would email me off list with contact information, local chapter information, and the general mission of the organization, I would love to help in promoting it in my area. Thanks Chomel Firefighter/Paramedic > > In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, > texaslp@y... writes: > > A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it’s > called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to > be interested in joining EMSAT. > > > > Why not? > > The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they > competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY > different things. > > Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few IAFF > card holders that are already EMSAT Members. > > The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC > but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a political > arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I > found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this > preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@a... > (Office) > (Cell Phone) > (Office Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o > rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the > original author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Or should I say brother firefighter my name is and I am the Vice Chair of EMSAT. I am also a professional Firefighter/Paramedic and a card carrying member of the IAFF too (25 years Wichita Falls Fire Department). Here is the website http://www.texasemsat.org/default.htm or if you want to call me my cell number is . Look forward to talking with you. Lt./LP Vernon College FIRE/EMS Training Program 4105 Maplewood Wichita Falls, Texas 76308 Office ext. 3233 Fax Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Long time observer, but have never posted here. In reference to the IAFF and EMSAT, I see nothing wrong with being a member of both organizations and would encourage all IAFF members to join. I am a professional Firefighter/Paramedic who provides Fire Department based EMS and I greatly enjoy getting to do both functions. So coming from a card carrying member of the IAFF, if someone from EMSAT would email me off list with contact information, local chapter information, and the general mission of the organization, I would love to help in promoting it in my area. Thanks Chomel Firefighter/Paramedic > > In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, > texaslp@y... writes: > > A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it’s > called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to > be interested in joining EMSAT. > > > > Why not? > > The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they > competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY > different things. > > Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few IAFF > card holders that are already EMSAT Members. > > The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC > but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a political > arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I > found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this > preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@a... > (Office) > (Cell Phone) > (Office Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o > rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the > original author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Or should I say brother firefighter my name is and I am the Vice Chair of EMSAT. I am also a professional Firefighter/Paramedic and a card carrying member of the IAFF too (25 years Wichita Falls Fire Department). Here is the website http://www.texasemsat.org/default.htm or if you want to call me my cell number is . Look forward to talking with you. Lt./LP Vernon College FIRE/EMS Training Program 4105 Maplewood Wichita Falls, Texas 76308 Office ext. 3233 Fax Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Long time observer, but have never posted here. In reference to the IAFF and EMSAT, I see nothing wrong with being a member of both organizations and would encourage all IAFF members to join. I am a professional Firefighter/Paramedic who provides Fire Department based EMS and I greatly enjoy getting to do both functions. So coming from a card carrying member of the IAFF, if someone from EMSAT would email me off list with contact information, local chapter information, and the general mission of the organization, I would love to help in promoting it in my area. Thanks Chomel Firefighter/Paramedic > > In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, > texaslp@y... writes: > > A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it’s > called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to > be interested in joining EMSAT. > > > > Why not? > > The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they > competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY > different things. > > Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few IAFF > card holders that are already EMSAT Members. > > The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC > but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a political > arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I > found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this > preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@a... > (Office) > (Cell Phone) > (Office Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o > rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the > original author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I believe there are more card carrying IAFF members on the EMSAT roles than most people would realize, I too carry both memberships. >>>-----Original Message----- >>> Behalf Of Chris >>>Long time observer, but have never posted here. In reference to the >>>IAFF and EMSAT, I see nothing wrong with being a member of both >>>organizations and would encourage all IAFF members to join. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 , Thanks. I would love to attend the meeting. I'll be moving that week, but I'll see what I can do. Take care, In a message dated 11/8/2005 4:27:13 PM Central Standard Time, agarcia@... writes: , You are correct and I applaud you for your participation. I also belong to other organizations and I try to bring that knowledge to the meetings to help EMSAT. We will be having a meeting during the conference and we would love to see you there. Please come and voice your ideas to the board. I for one will be sitting there and listening to the membership. Hope to see you there. Lt./LP Vernon College FIRE/EMS Training Program 4105 Maplewood Wichita Falls, Texas 76308 Office ext. 3233 Fax Why haven't you joined EMSAT? www.texasemsat.org Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Tator Wrote: " I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. " Hi Tator, You may be right, but then again, maybe not. I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing associations as well (ENA and AACN). I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and concerns. I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at EMSAT meetings. Just a thought, , LP, RN, FP-C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 , Thanks. I would love to attend the meeting. I'll be moving that week, but I'll see what I can do. Take care, In a message dated 11/8/2005 4:27:13 PM Central Standard Time, agarcia@... writes: , You are correct and I applaud you for your participation. I also belong to other organizations and I try to bring that knowledge to the meetings to help EMSAT. We will be having a meeting during the conference and we would love to see you there. Please come and voice your ideas to the board. I for one will be sitting there and listening to the membership. Hope to see you there. Lt./LP Vernon College FIRE/EMS Training Program 4105 Maplewood Wichita Falls, Texas 76308 Office ext. 3233 Fax Why haven't you joined EMSAT? www.texasemsat.org Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Tator Wrote: " I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. " Hi Tator, You may be right, but then again, maybe not. I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing associations as well (ENA and AACN). I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and concerns. I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at EMSAT meetings. Just a thought, , LP, RN, FP-C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 , Thanks. I would love to attend the meeting. I'll be moving that week, but I'll see what I can do. Take care, In a message dated 11/8/2005 4:27:13 PM Central Standard Time, agarcia@... writes: , You are correct and I applaud you for your participation. I also belong to other organizations and I try to bring that knowledge to the meetings to help EMSAT. We will be having a meeting during the conference and we would love to see you there. Please come and voice your ideas to the board. I for one will be sitting there and listening to the membership. Hope to see you there. Lt./LP Vernon College FIRE/EMS Training Program 4105 Maplewood Wichita Falls, Texas 76308 Office ext. 3233 Fax Why haven't you joined EMSAT? www.texasemsat.org Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Tator Wrote: " I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. " Hi Tator, You may be right, but then again, maybe not. I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing associations as well (ENA and AACN). I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and concerns. I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at EMSAT meetings. Just a thought, , LP, RN, FP-C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 I'd like to also point out something to you folks....not everyone that is certified through DSHS as an EMT works in the EMS field. There are many EMT's in other areas like Security/Law Enforcement. Quite a few of the commissioned security officers, especially those of us that work for governments and industrial sites, are in fact EMT's. In some instances it is a requirement as it affects the client's insurance premiums. I have been certified for nearly 18 years now as an EMT-B and I work as a County Security Officer here in Dallas. Even though there great numbers of EMT's on the DSHS rolls, there are far fewer actually working EMS. But also I remind you that we still have to do our CE's and go through recert as you all do so we do keep up with the changing times. I am willing to do my part to help us get more of what we deserve for the jobs we all do. I, for one, would love to see Firefighters, EMS and Private Security officers too band together to fight for better pay and benefits and training. Just don't forget us out here in non-EMS jobs that are on your side too. Jim Higginbotham Texas EMT-B/Commissioned Security Officer > >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS >personnel in Texas?... >Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:25:06 -0000 > >Long time observer, but have never posted here. In reference to the >IAFF and EMSAT, I see nothing wrong with being a member of both >organizations and would encourage all IAFF members to join. > >I am a professional Firefighter/Paramedic who provides Fire >Department based EMS and I greatly enjoy getting to do both >functions. So coming from a card carrying member of the IAFF, if >someone from EMSAT would email me off list with contact information, >local chapter information, and the general mission of the >organization, I would love to help in promoting it in my area. Thanks > >Chomel >Firefighter/Paramedic > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, > > texaslp@y... writes: > > > > A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are >unified; it’s > > called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are >not going to > > be interested in joining EMSAT. > > > > > > > > Why not? > > > > The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor >are they > > competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level >Association. Two VERY > > different things. > > > > Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have >a few IAFF > > card holders that are already EMSAT Members. > > > > The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in >Washington, DC > > but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF >has a political > > arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be >surprised if I > > found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why >would this > > preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members? > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > > LNMolino@a... > > (Office) > > (Cell Phone) > > (Office Fax) > > > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the >author and the > > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o > > rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or >associated with unless I > > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is >intended only for its > > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential >materials > > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public >domain by the > > original author. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Again I ask....what does it matter whether one is paid or volunteer. What's the difference whether a person is dual licensed or not? This whole thing is about getting the EMS license holders to band together and work for the betterment of our pay, benefits, and the sort. Sure, the firefighters have their own federation but what we really need is not an organization for EMS but rather an organization for EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS!!! ALL EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS!!! EMT's, Firefighters, Police Officers, Security Officers) We all, in some facet, put our collective butts on the line for the public good and we deserve more for what we do than the $9-$12 per hour we get. We deserve better benefits and better training opportunities. For alot of us out there we have to pay for our CE's and to keep our certs up. It can be very hard to make it when you are trying to pay a mortgage and car note on $10 an hour. (even tougher for the VOLUNTEERS!!!) You look at the numbers out there and you'll discover that about half of the certified EMS'ers out there are not working EMS but are, like myself, working in Security or other private industries such as private ambulance services (transfer services). We are all EMS personnel, just with a different job discription. If we were all to band together we could finally see things get better for us all. Not to mention that we can push for tougher standards to weed out those that don't need to be here. Security is really bad about the lack of standards and there are many that don't need to be licensed that are and EMS is that way too. It is a good idea to have organizations like EMSAT and IFFA but it would be better to have them all together as one big organization with the police unions and security officers. Strength in numbers is the way to go!!! Jim Higginbotham DSHS EMT-B/Texas Security Officer > >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS >personnel in Texas?... >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:35:25 -0600 > > > > Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their > > certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the > > application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or > > paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on > > it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would > > be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out > > questionnaires. > >Why not do something like TCLEOSE? Require EMS agencies to report the >hiring and termination (voluntary or involuntary) of EMS >certified/licensed employees. Not only would this generate the data >on who's doing what, to whom, and where, but it would begin to hold >services and certificants alike accountable for their >employee/employer relations. You could track turnover at various >companies via the number of hirings/terminations, and you could track >how many times an EMS person was at a different company, agency, etc. > >For TCLEOSE, at least, they even track " how " a person left an agency - > " honorable " (good conditions, no disciplinary actions in progress or >pending, etc.), " general " (voluntary, but possibly related to a >disciplinary action or pending action), and " dishonorable " (directly >related to disciplinary actions or charges). Obviously this isn't a >fit for most EMS employment, but how hard would it be to track whether >or not someone left voluntarily or was asked to leave for poor >clinical practice, etc. > >And before people get their panties in wads, there's an appeal process >in place (with TCLEOSE) that allows licenseholders to appeal >documentation of discharge that they feel is unfair to an >administrative law judge (much like those that hear cases regarding >suspended driver licenses, suspended medical licenses, etc.). > >Anyway, it's an idea. How would it best be applied to EMS? We >already have CertQuery, so we've already got everyone entered into a >database - this would just be adding more information. > >Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Again I ask....what does it matter whether one is paid or volunteer. What's the difference whether a person is dual licensed or not? This whole thing is about getting the EMS license holders to band together and work for the betterment of our pay, benefits, and the sort. Sure, the firefighters have their own federation but what we really need is not an organization for EMS but rather an organization for EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS!!! ALL EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS!!! EMT's, Firefighters, Police Officers, Security Officers) We all, in some facet, put our collective butts on the line for the public good and we deserve more for what we do than the $9-$12 per hour we get. We deserve better benefits and better training opportunities. For alot of us out there we have to pay for our CE's and to keep our certs up. It can be very hard to make it when you are trying to pay a mortgage and car note on $10 an hour. (even tougher for the VOLUNTEERS!!!) You look at the numbers out there and you'll discover that about half of the certified EMS'ers out there are not working EMS but are, like myself, working in Security or other private industries such as private ambulance services (transfer services). We are all EMS personnel, just with a different job discription. If we were all to band together we could finally see things get better for us all. Not to mention that we can push for tougher standards to weed out those that don't need to be here. Security is really bad about the lack of standards and there are many that don't need to be licensed that are and EMS is that way too. It is a good idea to have organizations like EMSAT and IFFA but it would be better to have them all together as one big organization with the police unions and security officers. Strength in numbers is the way to go!!! Jim Higginbotham DSHS EMT-B/Texas Security Officer > >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS >personnel in Texas?... >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:35:25 -0600 > > > > Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their > > certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the > > application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or > > paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on > > it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would > > be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out > > questionnaires. > >Why not do something like TCLEOSE? Require EMS agencies to report the >hiring and termination (voluntary or involuntary) of EMS >certified/licensed employees. Not only would this generate the data >on who's doing what, to whom, and where, but it would begin to hold >services and certificants alike accountable for their >employee/employer relations. You could track turnover at various >companies via the number of hirings/terminations, and you could track >how many times an EMS person was at a different company, agency, etc. > >For TCLEOSE, at least, they even track " how " a person left an agency - > " honorable " (good conditions, no disciplinary actions in progress or >pending, etc.), " general " (voluntary, but possibly related to a >disciplinary action or pending action), and " dishonorable " (directly >related to disciplinary actions or charges). Obviously this isn't a >fit for most EMS employment, but how hard would it be to track whether >or not someone left voluntarily or was asked to leave for poor >clinical practice, etc. > >And before people get their panties in wads, there's an appeal process >in place (with TCLEOSE) that allows licenseholders to appeal >documentation of discharge that they feel is unfair to an >administrative law judge (much like those that hear cases regarding >suspended driver licenses, suspended medical licenses, etc.). > >Anyway, it's an idea. How would it best be applied to EMS? We >already have CertQuery, so we've already got everyone entered into a >database - this would just be adding more information. > >Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Jim, My argument would be that it really doesn’t make a lot of difference, but it matters. It matters because the Texas EMS Community needs to know the breakdown of its members. It matters because we need to know where there people are and what they do when we discuss changing any rules or regulations. This will allow a better understanding of how proposed changes affect everyone. It matters because EMSAT needs to know where its members are. It matters because EMSAT can use this information to help recruit members. For example: There are approximately 25,000 certified or licensed EMS Personnel that are also paid professional firefighters. So, why doesn’t EMSAT start attending the Firefighter Conventions? There are a large number of personnel there that are not currently being reached. If we find a large number of nurses in the ranks, EMSAT needs to be looking at Emergency Nursing conventions. If we find a large number of police officers, security guards, soccer moms….. You get my point. Statistics help an organization with many aspects, in the case of EMSAT – growth. I am simply saying we need statistics on EMS personnel in Texas, for many, many, many, reasons………………. Tater Jim Higginbotham wrote: Again I ask....what does it matter whether one is paid or volunteer. What's the difference whether a person is dual licensed or not? This whole thing is about getting the EMS license holders to band together and work for the betterment of our pay, benefits, and the sort. Sure, the firefighters have their own federation but what we really need is not an organization for EMS but rather an organization for EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS!!! ALL EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS!!! EMT's, Firefighters, Police Officers, Security Officers) We all, in some facet, put our collective butts on the line for the public good and we deserve more for what we do than the $9-$12 per hour we get. We deserve better benefits and better training opportunities. For alot of us out there we have to pay for our CE's and to keep our certs up. It can be very hard to make it when you are trying to pay a mortgage and car note on $10 an hour. (even tougher for the VOLUNTEERS!!!) You look at the numbers out there and you'll discover that about half of the certified EMS'ers out there are not working EMS but are, like myself, working in Security or other private industries such as private ambulance services (transfer services). We are all EMS personnel, just with a different job discription. If we were all to band together we could finally see things get better for us all. Not to mention that we can push for tougher standards to weed out those that don't need to be here. Security is really bad about the lack of standards and there are many that don't need to be licensed that are and EMS is that way too. It is a good idea to have organizations like EMSAT and IFFA but it would be better to have them all together as one big organization with the police unions and security officers. Strength in numbers is the way to go!!! Jim Higginbotham DSHS EMT-B/Texas Security Officer > >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS >personnel in Texas?... >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:35:25 -0600 > > > > Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their > > certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the > > application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or > > paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on > > it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would > > be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out > > questionnaires. > >Why not do something like TCLEOSE? Require EMS agencies to report the >hiring and termination (voluntary or involuntary) of EMS >certified/licensed employees. Not only would this generate the data >on who's doing what, to whom, and where, but it would begin to hold >services and certificants alike accountable for their >employee/employer relations. You could track turnover at various >companies via the number of hirings/terminations, and you could track >how many times an EMS person was at a different company, agency, etc. > >For TCLEOSE, at least, they even track " how " a person left an agency - > " honorable " (good conditions, no disciplinary actions in progress or >pending, etc.), " general " (voluntary, but possibly related to a >disciplinary action or pending action), and " dishonorable " (directly >related to disciplinary actions or charges). Obviously this isn't a >fit for most EMS employment, but how hard would it be to track whether >or not someone left voluntarily or was asked to leave for poor >clinical practice, etc. > >And before people get their panties in wads, there's an appeal process >in place (with TCLEOSE) that allows licenseholders to appeal >documentation of discharge that they feel is unfair to an >administrative law judge (much like those that hear cases regarding >suspended driver licenses, suspended medical licenses, etc.). > >Anyway, it's an idea. How would it best be applied to EMS? We >already have CertQuery, so we've already got everyone entered into a >database - this would just be adding more information. > >Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Jim, My argument would be that it really doesn’t make a lot of difference, but it matters. It matters because the Texas EMS Community needs to know the breakdown of its members. It matters because we need to know where there people are and what they do when we discuss changing any rules or regulations. This will allow a better understanding of how proposed changes affect everyone. It matters because EMSAT needs to know where its members are. It matters because EMSAT can use this information to help recruit members. For example: There are approximately 25,000 certified or licensed EMS Personnel that are also paid professional firefighters. So, why doesn’t EMSAT start attending the Firefighter Conventions? There are a large number of personnel there that are not currently being reached. If we find a large number of nurses in the ranks, EMSAT needs to be looking at Emergency Nursing conventions. If we find a large number of police officers, security guards, soccer moms….. You get my point. Statistics help an organization with many aspects, in the case of EMSAT – growth. I am simply saying we need statistics on EMS personnel in Texas, for many, many, many, reasons………………. Tater Jim Higginbotham wrote: Again I ask....what does it matter whether one is paid or volunteer. What's the difference whether a person is dual licensed or not? This whole thing is about getting the EMS license holders to band together and work for the betterment of our pay, benefits, and the sort. Sure, the firefighters have their own federation but what we really need is not an organization for EMS but rather an organization for EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS!!! ALL EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS!!! EMT's, Firefighters, Police Officers, Security Officers) We all, in some facet, put our collective butts on the line for the public good and we deserve more for what we do than the $9-$12 per hour we get. We deserve better benefits and better training opportunities. For alot of us out there we have to pay for our CE's and to keep our certs up. It can be very hard to make it when you are trying to pay a mortgage and car note on $10 an hour. (even tougher for the VOLUNTEERS!!!) You look at the numbers out there and you'll discover that about half of the certified EMS'ers out there are not working EMS but are, like myself, working in Security or other private industries such as private ambulance services (transfer services). We are all EMS personnel, just with a different job discription. If we were all to band together we could finally see things get better for us all. Not to mention that we can push for tougher standards to weed out those that don't need to be here. Security is really bad about the lack of standards and there are many that don't need to be licensed that are and EMS is that way too. It is a good idea to have organizations like EMSAT and IFFA but it would be better to have them all together as one big organization with the police unions and security officers. Strength in numbers is the way to go!!! Jim Higginbotham DSHS EMT-B/Texas Security Officer > >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS >personnel in Texas?... >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:35:25 -0600 > > > > Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their > > certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the > > application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or > > paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on > > it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would > > be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out > > questionnaires. > >Why not do something like TCLEOSE? Require EMS agencies to report the >hiring and termination (voluntary or involuntary) of EMS >certified/licensed employees. Not only would this generate the data >on who's doing what, to whom, and where, but it would begin to hold >services and certificants alike accountable for their >employee/employer relations. You could track turnover at various >companies via the number of hirings/terminations, and you could track >how many times an EMS person was at a different company, agency, etc. > >For TCLEOSE, at least, they even track " how " a person left an agency - > " honorable " (good conditions, no disciplinary actions in progress or >pending, etc.), " general " (voluntary, but possibly related to a >disciplinary action or pending action), and " dishonorable " (directly >related to disciplinary actions or charges). Obviously this isn't a >fit for most EMS employment, but how hard would it be to track whether >or not someone left voluntarily or was asked to leave for poor >clinical practice, etc. > >And before people get their panties in wads, there's an appeal process >in place (with TCLEOSE) that allows licenseholders to appeal >documentation of discharge that they feel is unfair to an >administrative law judge (much like those that hear cases regarding >suspended driver licenses, suspended medical licenses, etc.). > >Anyway, it's an idea. How would it best be applied to EMS? We >already have CertQuery, so we've already got everyone entered into a >database - this would just be adding more information. > >Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Jim, My argument would be that it really doesn’t make a lot of difference, but it matters. It matters because the Texas EMS Community needs to know the breakdown of its members. It matters because we need to know where there people are and what they do when we discuss changing any rules or regulations. This will allow a better understanding of how proposed changes affect everyone. It matters because EMSAT needs to know where its members are. It matters because EMSAT can use this information to help recruit members. For example: There are approximately 25,000 certified or licensed EMS Personnel that are also paid professional firefighters. So, why doesn’t EMSAT start attending the Firefighter Conventions? There are a large number of personnel there that are not currently being reached. If we find a large number of nurses in the ranks, EMSAT needs to be looking at Emergency Nursing conventions. If we find a large number of police officers, security guards, soccer moms….. You get my point. Statistics help an organization with many aspects, in the case of EMSAT – growth. I am simply saying we need statistics on EMS personnel in Texas, for many, many, many, reasons………………. Tater Jim Higginbotham wrote: Again I ask....what does it matter whether one is paid or volunteer. What's the difference whether a person is dual licensed or not? This whole thing is about getting the EMS license holders to band together and work for the betterment of our pay, benefits, and the sort. Sure, the firefighters have their own federation but what we really need is not an organization for EMS but rather an organization for EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS!!! ALL EMERGENCY SERVICE WORKERS!!! EMT's, Firefighters, Police Officers, Security Officers) We all, in some facet, put our collective butts on the line for the public good and we deserve more for what we do than the $9-$12 per hour we get. We deserve better benefits and better training opportunities. For alot of us out there we have to pay for our CE's and to keep our certs up. It can be very hard to make it when you are trying to pay a mortgage and car note on $10 an hour. (even tougher for the VOLUNTEERS!!!) You look at the numbers out there and you'll discover that about half of the certified EMS'ers out there are not working EMS but are, like myself, working in Security or other private industries such as private ambulance services (transfer services). We are all EMS personnel, just with a different job discription. If we were all to band together we could finally see things get better for us all. Not to mention that we can push for tougher standards to weed out those that don't need to be here. Security is really bad about the lack of standards and there are many that don't need to be licensed that are and EMS is that way too. It is a good idea to have organizations like EMSAT and IFFA but it would be better to have them all together as one big organization with the police unions and security officers. Strength in numbers is the way to go!!! Jim Higginbotham DSHS EMT-B/Texas Security Officer > >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS >personnel in Texas?... >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:35:25 -0600 > > > > Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their > > certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the > > application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or > > paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on > > it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would > > be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out > > questionnaires. > >Why not do something like TCLEOSE? Require EMS agencies to report the >hiring and termination (voluntary or involuntary) of EMS >certified/licensed employees. Not only would this generate the data >on who's doing what, to whom, and where, but it would begin to hold >services and certificants alike accountable for their >employee/employer relations. You could track turnover at various >companies via the number of hirings/terminations, and you could track >how many times an EMS person was at a different company, agency, etc. > >For TCLEOSE, at least, they even track " how " a person left an agency - > " honorable " (good conditions, no disciplinary actions in progress or >pending, etc.), " general " (voluntary, but possibly related to a >disciplinary action or pending action), and " dishonorable " (directly >related to disciplinary actions or charges). Obviously this isn't a >fit for most EMS employment, but how hard would it be to track whether >or not someone left voluntarily or was asked to leave for poor >clinical practice, etc. > >And before people get their panties in wads, there's an appeal process >in place (with TCLEOSE) that allows licenseholders to appeal >documentation of discharge that they feel is unfair to an >administrative law judge (much like those that hear cases regarding >suspended driver licenses, suspended medical licenses, etc.). > >Anyway, it's an idea. How would it best be applied to EMS? We >already have CertQuery, so we've already got everyone entered into a >database - this would just be adding more information. > >Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Typicall, the TSAFF represents the IAFF/union issues for members of local unions at the Lege. The SFFMA is much more oriented towards training of vollies... The two each have a different niche. It'd be like if there was an EMS association representing employee/labor issues for larger paid EMS systems and another association that focuses on training of small, volunteer EMS agencies... -Wes Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... All of what you say has merit and frankly I agree with more of it than my previous posts may have indicated. I was not aware of the Texas State Association of Fire Fighters Association but I was a aware of the SFFMA, so it's interested that we have division even in the fire services or so it seems on the surface. In any case you're points are very valid but one thing that likely stands in the way of the DSHS guys doing any such study or survey is the lack of a mandate for such a thing. Given that they hare cutting budgets and likely even staff on a seeming yearly basis I am willing to bet that unless they have some direct mandate as well as some dedicated funding to undertake such a study (studies take time and time is man hours and man hours is money) I doubt they have a capability to do such things at this point in time. Recently in speaking to some folks that are fremialr with the DSHS BEM budget I've heard that today's BEM is working on roughly 70% of the budget they had several years ago. Given that nothing costs what it did several years ago let alone the price of things like gas and couplerd with the fact that EMS in Texas has grown in many ways (more services, etc) their pretty stretched at BEM from what i can see and I " feel their pain " . I have no rapid solution unless y'all elect me govouner and then maybe I could " fix things " but then if you did that the rest of the state would go to pot that much faster. The thread of this conversation is a very calid one. In an ideal world I'd love to be able to say to the folks in Austin that EMSAT represented even 10% of the " card carrying EMS workers in the state of Texas " , to do that I need about 4,800 to join EMSAT. So if you're in EMS and you're in Austin please stop by Booth 910 and talk to any of the Board of Directors or Members that are in that booth and if you're so inclined please join EMSAT. LNM In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:05:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, texaslp@... writes: Lou, Prepare to he surprised, because there is a state association, it is called the Texas State Association of Fire Fighters ( http://www.tsaff.org/ )and is part of the IAFF. TSAFF has a VERY powerful lobbying arm in Austin, much like its BIG BROTHER in D.C. I am an IAFF member as well as a member of EMSAT. There are a few others I am sure, but I assure you we are in the minority. Being a professional firefighter I know the mentality of fire fighters when the phrase EMS appears. I agree, we should not discount the total 23,405 but we can probably eliminate 23,400 of them. I wish this weren't true, but this is the nature of the beast. I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. Tater lnmolino@... wrote: In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, texaslp@... writes: A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; itâ?T s called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT. Why not? The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY different things. Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few IAFF card holders that are already EMSAT Members. The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a political arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Typicall, the TSAFF represents the IAFF/union issues for members of local unions at the Lege. The SFFMA is much more oriented towards training of vollies... The two each have a different niche. It'd be like if there was an EMS association representing employee/labor issues for larger paid EMS systems and another association that focuses on training of small, volunteer EMS agencies... -Wes Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... All of what you say has merit and frankly I agree with more of it than my previous posts may have indicated. I was not aware of the Texas State Association of Fire Fighters Association but I was a aware of the SFFMA, so it's interested that we have division even in the fire services or so it seems on the surface. In any case you're points are very valid but one thing that likely stands in the way of the DSHS guys doing any such study or survey is the lack of a mandate for such a thing. Given that they hare cutting budgets and likely even staff on a seeming yearly basis I am willing to bet that unless they have some direct mandate as well as some dedicated funding to undertake such a study (studies take time and time is man hours and man hours is money) I doubt they have a capability to do such things at this point in time. Recently in speaking to some folks that are fremialr with the DSHS BEM budget I've heard that today's BEM is working on roughly 70% of the budget they had several years ago. Given that nothing costs what it did several years ago let alone the price of things like gas and couplerd with the fact that EMS in Texas has grown in many ways (more services, etc) their pretty stretched at BEM from what i can see and I " feel their pain " . I have no rapid solution unless y'all elect me govouner and then maybe I could " fix things " but then if you did that the rest of the state would go to pot that much faster. The thread of this conversation is a very calid one. In an ideal world I'd love to be able to say to the folks in Austin that EMSAT represented even 10% of the " card carrying EMS workers in the state of Texas " , to do that I need about 4,800 to join EMSAT. So if you're in EMS and you're in Austin please stop by Booth 910 and talk to any of the Board of Directors or Members that are in that booth and if you're so inclined please join EMSAT. LNM In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:05:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, texaslp@... writes: Lou, Prepare to he surprised, because there is a state association, it is called the Texas State Association of Fire Fighters ( http://www.tsaff.org/ )and is part of the IAFF. TSAFF has a VERY powerful lobbying arm in Austin, much like its BIG BROTHER in D.C. I am an IAFF member as well as a member of EMSAT. There are a few others I am sure, but I assure you we are in the minority. Being a professional firefighter I know the mentality of fire fighters when the phrase EMS appears. I agree, we should not discount the total 23,405 but we can probably eliminate 23,400 of them. I wish this weren't true, but this is the nature of the beast. I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. Tater lnmolino@... wrote: In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, texaslp@... writes: A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; itâ?T s called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT. Why not? The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY different things. Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few IAFF card holders that are already EMSAT Members. The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a political arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 , If you come please come up an introduce yourself. I Look forward to meeting you and listening to your ideas. Lt./LP Vernon College FIRE/EMS Training Program 4105 Maplewood Wichita Falls, Texas 76308 Office ext. 3233 Fax Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Tator Wrote: " I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. " Hi Tator, You may be right, but then again, maybe not. I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing associations as well (ENA and AACN). I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and concerns. I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at EMSAT meetings. Just a thought, , LP, RN, FP-C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 , If you come please come up an introduce yourself. I Look forward to meeting you and listening to your ideas. Lt./LP Vernon College FIRE/EMS Training Program 4105 Maplewood Wichita Falls, Texas 76308 Office ext. 3233 Fax Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Tator Wrote: " I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. " Hi Tator, You may be right, but then again, maybe not. I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing associations as well (ENA and AACN). I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and concerns. I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at EMSAT meetings. Just a thought, , LP, RN, FP-C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links ------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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