Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Now we’re getting somewhere. According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that are “unaccounted” for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA. I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it’s called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT. No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc? Tater lnmolino@... wrote:, I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the box on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of 10/19/05. ECA 4,198 EMT-B 27,250 EMT-I 3,646 EMT-P 10,409 LP 5,472 Total 50,975 If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Now we’re getting somewhere. According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that are “unaccounted” for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA. I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it’s called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT. No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc? Tater lnmolino@... wrote:, I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the box on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of 10/19/05. ECA 4,198 EMT-B 27,250 EMT-I 3,646 EMT-P 10,409 LP 5,472 Total 50,975 If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 you have been doing your homework. Thanks for the report and it will be interesting to see what the final outcome is. Hope to see you at the conference so we can talk about this. Take care my friend. Lt./LP Vernon College FIRE/EMS Training Program 4105 Maplewood Wichita Falls, Texas 76308 Office ext 3233 Fax Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Now we're getting somewhere. According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA. I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it's called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT. No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc? Tater lnmolino@... wrote:, I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the box on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of 10/19/05. ECA 4,198 EMT-B 27,250 EMT-I 3,646 EMT-P 10,409 LP 5,472 Total 50,975 If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 you have been doing your homework. Thanks for the report and it will be interesting to see what the final outcome is. Hope to see you at the conference so we can talk about this. Take care my friend. Lt./LP Vernon College FIRE/EMS Training Program 4105 Maplewood Wichita Falls, Texas 76308 Office ext 3233 Fax Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Now we're getting somewhere. According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA. I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it's called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT. No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc? Tater lnmolino@... wrote:, I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the box on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of 10/19/05. ECA 4,198 EMT-B 27,250 EMT-I 3,646 EMT-P 10,409 LP 5,472 Total 50,975 If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 you have been doing your homework. Thanks for the report and it will be interesting to see what the final outcome is. Hope to see you at the conference so we can talk about this. Take care my friend. Lt./LP Vernon College FIRE/EMS Training Program 4105 Maplewood Wichita Falls, Texas 76308 Office ext 3233 Fax Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Now we're getting somewhere. According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA. I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it's called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT. No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc? Tater lnmolino@... wrote:, I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the box on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of 10/19/05. ECA 4,198 EMT-B 27,250 EMT-I 3,646 EMT-P 10,409 LP 5,472 Total 50,975 If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 In a message dated 11/8/2005 3:21:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, texaslp@... writes: I am very interested in seeing EMSAT succeed and would like to be included in the “local chapter†organization. I know this is on the agenda for the upcoming meeting. I will be in contact with you and other board members in the coming days to discuss my thoughts on this development. I don't care what the guys in Tyler say you're an OK guy! just kidding, too bad you're gonna miss the conference. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out questionnaires. Crosby EMT-B ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of E. Tate Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:22 AM To: Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Now we're getting somewhere. According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA. I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it's called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT. No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc? Tater lnmolino@... wrote:, I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the box on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of 10/19/05. ECA 4,198 EMT-B 27,250 EMT-I 3,646 EMT-P 10,409 LP 5,472 Total 50,975 If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out questionnaires. Crosby EMT-B ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of E. Tate Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:22 AM To: Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Now we're getting somewhere. According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA. I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it's called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT. No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc? Tater lnmolino@... wrote:, I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the box on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of 10/19/05. ECA 4,198 EMT-B 27,250 EMT-I 3,646 EMT-P 10,409 LP 5,472 Total 50,975 If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out questionnaires. Crosby EMT-B ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of E. Tate Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:22 AM To: Subject: Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Now we're getting somewhere. According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA. I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it's called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT. No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc? Tater lnmolino@... wrote:, I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the box on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of 10/19/05. ECA 4,198 EMT-B 27,250 EMT-I 3,646 EMT-P 10,409 LP 5,472 Total 50,975 If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Hey LMN, No thanks needed. I've gotta tell ya though, I'm NOT old ... not really anyway ... okay, maybe a little old. But, I remember that commercial too. And the " go forth and multiply " stuff ... careful now. That's a scary thought. In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:51:33 PM Central Standard Time, lnmolino@... writes: Thanks ! We need every EMSAT Member to be come a recruiter, hell if we even could double our ranks that would be a start! I'm old so I remember this commercial for I think it was Breck shampoo, they told one then she told one etc etc etc and soon you had a TV full of very little pictures! Some one once said " go forth and multiply " , in EMS that could get us in some trouble but take it in the context that it is meant in the case of EMSAT! LNM In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:22:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, lisawhir@... writes: Tator Wrote: " I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. " Hi Tator, You may be right, but then again, maybe not. I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing associations as well (ENA and AACN). I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and concerns. I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at EMSAT meetings. Just a thought, , LP, RN, FP-C [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Lou, Prepare to he surprised, because there is a state association, it is called the Texas State Association of Fire Fighters ( http://www.tsaff.org/ )and is part of the IAFF. TSAFF has a VERY powerful lobbying arm in Austin, much like its BIG BROTHER in D.C. I am an IAFF member as well as a member of EMSAT. There are a few others I am sure, but I assure you we are in the minority. Being a professional firefighter I know the mentality of fire fighters when the phrase EMS appears. I agree, we should not discount the total 23,405 but we can probably eliminate 23,400 of them. I wish this weren’t true, but this is the nature of the beast. I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show “hard numbers”. The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. Tater lnmolino@... wrote: In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, texaslp@... writes: A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it’s called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT. Why not? The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY different things. Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few IAFF card holders that are already EMSAT Members. The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a political arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Lou, Prepare to he surprised, because there is a state association, it is called the Texas State Association of Fire Fighters ( http://www.tsaff.org/ )and is part of the IAFF. TSAFF has a VERY powerful lobbying arm in Austin, much like its BIG BROTHER in D.C. I am an IAFF member as well as a member of EMSAT. There are a few others I am sure, but I assure you we are in the minority. Being a professional firefighter I know the mentality of fire fighters when the phrase EMS appears. I agree, we should not discount the total 23,405 but we can probably eliminate 23,400 of them. I wish this weren’t true, but this is the nature of the beast. I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show “hard numbers”. The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. Tater lnmolino@... wrote: In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, texaslp@... writes: A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it’s called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT. Why not? The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY different things. Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few IAFF card holders that are already EMSAT Members. The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a political arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members? Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I'm making my wife join! No options, just do it! :-D She's an RN, with no EMS training, yet. But, she has a vested interest in where EMS goes, and not just being maried to a paramedic. Her interactions with EMS everyday effect her. And quite frankly, she has some good suggestions to bring forward, and we can use all we can! I may be the black sheep of the industry by saying this, but we can learn a lot from nurses. Mike Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Tator Wrote: " I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. " Hi Tator, You may be right, but then again, maybe not. I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing associations as well (ENA and AACN). I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and concerns. I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at EMSAT meetings. Just a thought, , LP, RN, FP-C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I'm making my wife join! No options, just do it! :-D She's an RN, with no EMS training, yet. But, she has a vested interest in where EMS goes, and not just being maried to a paramedic. Her interactions with EMS everyday effect her. And quite frankly, she has some good suggestions to bring forward, and we can use all we can! I may be the black sheep of the industry by saying this, but we can learn a lot from nurses. Mike Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Tator Wrote: " I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. " Hi Tator, You may be right, but then again, maybe not. I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing associations as well (ENA and AACN). I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and concerns. I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at EMSAT meetings. Just a thought, , LP, RN, FP-C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I'm making my wife join! No options, just do it! :-D She's an RN, with no EMS training, yet. But, she has a vested interest in where EMS goes, and not just being maried to a paramedic. Her interactions with EMS everyday effect her. And quite frankly, she has some good suggestions to bring forward, and we can use all we can! I may be the black sheep of the industry by saying this, but we can learn a lot from nurses. Mike Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Tator Wrote: " I’m just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show “hard numbersâ€. The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. " Hi Tator, You may be right, but then again, maybe not. I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing associations as well (ENA and AACN). I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and concerns. I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at EMSAT meetings. Just a thought, , LP, RN, FP-C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Absolutely. I just hope the nurses recognize that they can learn from us as well.... -Wes Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Tator Wrote: " I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. " Hi Tator, You may be right, but then again, maybe not. I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing associations as well (ENA and AACN). I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and concerns. I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at EMSAT meetings. Just a thought, , LP, RN, FP-C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Absolutely. I just hope the nurses recognize that they can learn from us as well.... -Wes Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Tator Wrote: " I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. " Hi Tator, You may be right, but then again, maybe not. I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing associations as well (ENA and AACN). I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and concerns. I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at EMSAT meetings. Just a thought, , LP, RN, FP-C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 > Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their > certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the > application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or > paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on > it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would > be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out > questionnaires. Why not do something like TCLEOSE? Require EMS agencies to report the hiring and termination (voluntary or involuntary) of EMS certified/licensed employees. Not only would this generate the data on who's doing what, to whom, and where, but it would begin to hold services and certificants alike accountable for their employee/employer relations. You could track turnover at various companies via the number of hirings/terminations, and you could track how many times an EMS person was at a different company, agency, etc. For TCLEOSE, at least, they even track " how " a person left an agency - " honorable " (good conditions, no disciplinary actions in progress or pending, etc.), " general " (voluntary, but possibly related to a disciplinary action or pending action), and " dishonorable " (directly related to disciplinary actions or charges). Obviously this isn't a fit for most EMS employment, but how hard would it be to track whether or not someone left voluntarily or was asked to leave for poor clinical practice, etc. And before people get their panties in wads, there's an appeal process in place (with TCLEOSE) that allows licenseholders to appeal documentation of discharge that they feel is unfair to an administrative law judge (much like those that hear cases regarding suspended driver licenses, suspended medical licenses, etc.). Anyway, it's an idea. How would it best be applied to EMS? We already have CertQuery, so we've already got everyone entered into a database - this would just be adding more information. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 > Maybe getting the TDHHS to track who is doing what with their > certification as part of the cert process? I do remember a part of the > application that asks if the person applying is working as volunteer or > paid. I don't see why they cant ask for more information and report on > it as they do in Texas EMS magazine. I guess another way to check would > be to get a hold of a mailing list of certified folks and send out > questionnaires. Why not do something like TCLEOSE? Require EMS agencies to report the hiring and termination (voluntary or involuntary) of EMS certified/licensed employees. Not only would this generate the data on who's doing what, to whom, and where, but it would begin to hold services and certificants alike accountable for their employee/employer relations. You could track turnover at various companies via the number of hirings/terminations, and you could track how many times an EMS person was at a different company, agency, etc. For TCLEOSE, at least, they even track " how " a person left an agency - " honorable " (good conditions, no disciplinary actions in progress or pending, etc.), " general " (voluntary, but possibly related to a disciplinary action or pending action), and " dishonorable " (directly related to disciplinary actions or charges). Obviously this isn't a fit for most EMS employment, but how hard would it be to track whether or not someone left voluntarily or was asked to leave for poor clinical practice, etc. And before people get their panties in wads, there's an appeal process in place (with TCLEOSE) that allows licenseholders to appeal documentation of discharge that they feel is unfair to an administrative law judge (much like those that hear cases regarding suspended driver licenses, suspended medical licenses, etc.). Anyway, it's an idea. How would it best be applied to EMS? We already have CertQuery, so we've already got everyone entered into a database - this would just be adding more information. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 You sir, are NOT allowed to buzz kill me, thats HER job. <muttering> dern yankees! ;-) Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:29:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, manemtp@... writes: I'm making my wife join! No options, just do it! :-D Mike why do you insist on being such a blatant liar on this list? A man MAKING his wife do anything, please ever since that first apple in the Garden of Eden everyone knows who runs the planet. She's likely letting you think you're making her. Making her how funny........ Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 You sir, are NOT allowed to buzz kill me, thats HER job. <muttering> dern yankees! ;-) Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... In a message dated 11/8/2005 2:29:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, manemtp@... writes: I'm making my wife join! No options, just do it! :-D Mike why do you insist on being such a blatant liar on this list? A man MAKING his wife do anything, please ever since that first apple in the Garden of Eden everyone knows who runs the planet. She's likely letting you think you're making her. Making her how funny........ Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 , Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend the conference this year. My brother was displaced by Hurricane Rita from the Orange area and we’re in way over hour heads trying to get them planted here in Tyler. He has landed a good job and we’re working on permanent (at least semi-permanent) housing at this time. For those of you that have never dealt with new water meters, electric meters, sewer systems…….. DON’T!!!!! I am very interested in seeing EMSAT succeed and would like to be included in the “local chapter” organization. I know this is on the agenda for the upcoming meeting. I will be in contact with you and other board members in the coming days to discuss my thoughts on this development. Tater wrote: you have been doing your homework. Thanks for the report and it will be interesting to see what the final outcome is. Hope to see you at the conference so we can talk about this. Take care my friend. Lt./LP Vernon College FIRE/EMS Training Program 4105 Maplewood Wichita Falls, Texas 76308 Office ext 3233 Fax Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Now we're getting somewhere. According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA. I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it's called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT. No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc? Tater lnmolino@... wrote:, I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the box on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of 10/19/05. ECA 4,198 EMT-B 27,250 EMT-I 3,646 EMT-P 10,409 LP 5,472 Total 50,975 If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 , Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend the conference this year. My brother was displaced by Hurricane Rita from the Orange area and we’re in way over hour heads trying to get them planted here in Tyler. He has landed a good job and we’re working on permanent (at least semi-permanent) housing at this time. For those of you that have never dealt with new water meters, electric meters, sewer systems…….. DON’T!!!!! I am very interested in seeing EMSAT succeed and would like to be included in the “local chapter” organization. I know this is on the agenda for the upcoming meeting. I will be in contact with you and other board members in the coming days to discuss my thoughts on this development. Tater wrote: you have been doing your homework. Thanks for the report and it will be interesting to see what the final outcome is. Hope to see you at the conference so we can talk about this. Take care my friend. Lt./LP Vernon College FIRE/EMS Training Program 4105 Maplewood Wichita Falls, Texas 76308 Office ext 3233 Fax Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Now we're getting somewhere. According to Texas EMS Magazine there are 50,975 Licensed or Certified EMS Personnel in Texas. According to number I just received from the Texas Commission on Fire Protection there are 23,405 Full-Time or Part-Time Professional Firefighters in Texas. That leaves 27,570 EMS Personnel that are " unaccounted " for or roughly 54% of the total. Additionally there are a total of 32,320 Paid, Volunteer, and Inactive certified firefighters in Texas. Most of these will have at least an ECA. I bring this to light because we talk about unification and getting things accomplished via our numbers. A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it's called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to be interested in joining EMSAT. No, where are the remaining 27,570 personnel? Is there any way to determine how many of these are dual licensed / certified as nurses, doctors, etc? Tater lnmolino@... wrote:, I sure don't have all or even any of the answers that you are seeking but I did happen to read my copy of Texas EMS today and I happened to notice the box on page 7 that tabulated the number of Texas EMS certifications as of 10/19/05. ECA 4,198 EMT-B 27,250 EMT-I 3,646 EMT-P 10,409 LP 5,472 Total 50,975 If we could all speak even in a semi unified voice we could move mountains. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI LNMolino@... (Office) (Cell Phone) (Office Fax) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the original author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 , You are correct and I applaud you for your participation. I also belong to other organizations and I try to bring that knowledge to the meetings to help EMSAT. We will be having a meeting during the conference and we would love to see you there. Please come and voice your ideas to the board. I for one will be sitting there and listening to the membership. Hope to see you there. Lt./LP Vernon College FIRE/EMS Training Program 4105 Maplewood Wichita Falls, Texas 76308 Office ext. 3233 Fax Why haven't you joined EMSAT? www.texasemsat.org Re: Where are the Certified and Licensed EMS personnel in Texas?... Tator Wrote: " I'm just trying to shed some light on the obstacles EMSAT will have to overcome to be able to show " hard numbers " . The same argument holds true for nurses. Most nurses that are dual certified are not going to join EMSAT. Why? They belong to the nursing organizations. Just like the firefighters belonging to the fire organizations. Not trying to spoil the party, just stating the facts as I see them. " Hi Tator, You may be right, but then again, maybe not. I am a member of EMSAT and I'm also a nurse. I belong to two nursing associations as well (ENA and AACN). I would very much like to see EMSAT get off the ground with the help of the people in the field joining the association and voicing their opinions and concerns. I believe that the experience and examples from the other associations that we belong to can greatly help EMSAT if we were to share those experiences at EMSAT meetings. Just a thought, , LP, RN, FP-C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Long time observer, but have never posted here. In reference to the IAFF and EMSAT, I see nothing wrong with being a member of both organizations and would encourage all IAFF members to join. I am a professional Firefighter/Paramedic who provides Fire Department based EMS and I greatly enjoy getting to do both functions. So coming from a card carrying member of the IAFF, if someone from EMSAT would email me off list with contact information, local chapter information, and the general mission of the organization, I would love to help in promoting it in my area. Thanks Chomel Firefighter/Paramedic > > In a message dated 11/8/2005 10:24:06 A.M. Central Standard Time, > texaslp@y... writes: > > A vast majority of the above listed 23,405 firefighters are unified; it’s > called the International Association of Firefighters, so they are not going to > be interested in joining EMSAT. > > > > Why not? > > The IAFF and EMSAT are not in any way shape or form the same nor are they > competing, the IAFF is a UNION, EMSAT is a state level Association. Two VERY > different things. > > Why discount all 23,405 members of the IAFF? I am betting we have a few IAFF > card holders that are already EMSAT Members. > > The IAFF does have a political arm and it's pretty hefty in Washington, DC > but how much they do in Austin I have no idea? Even if the IAFF has a political > arm active in Austin on a Statewide level (ly I would be surprised if I > found out they did have such an arm in Texas) so be it again why would this > preclude those 23.405 IAFF Members from being EMSAT Members? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI > LNMolino@a... > (Office) > (Cell Phone) > (Office Fax) > > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " > > The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and the > author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or o > rganization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with unless I > specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended only for its > stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential materials > retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the public domain by the > original author. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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