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December 8, 2009

Thanks Val...

What we found out was that after going down to as much as 50/75 mcg of T4-only

every other day (this was earlier this year in the spring before I got my AF

diagnose and started with HC and met new specialist!) was that my Thyroid gland

itself is perfectly working normally. I have to underline that I have

HYPOTHYROIDISM TYPE 2.

I just wonder what I'll be doing tomorrow! Guess it's ERFA some more days? I

dunno.... Should I try to increase it and see what happens?

>

> Erfa adn T4 all slowly leave th ebody over several weeks., It is safe to

> just stop them as your own thyroid will be still makeing SOME thyroid

> and it wil oick uyp what it is able to do to carry you till you can

> tolerate T3.

December 8, 2009

Thanks Val...

What we found out was that after going down to as much as 50/75 mcg of T4-only

every other day (this was earlier this year in the spring before I got my AF

diagnose and started with HC and met new specialist!) was that my Thyroid gland

itself is perfectly working normally. I have to underline that I have

HYPOTHYROIDISM TYPE 2.

I just wonder what I'll be doing tomorrow! Guess it's ERFA some more days? I

dunno.... Should I try to increase it and see what happens?

>

> Erfa adn T4 all slowly leave th ebody over several weeks., It is safe to

> just stop them as your own thyroid will be still makeing SOME thyroid

> and it wil oick uyp what it is able to do to carry you till you can

> tolerate T3.

December 8, 2009

Thanks Val...

What we found out was that after going down to as much as 50/75 mcg of T4-only

every other day (this was earlier this year in the spring before I got my AF

diagnose and started with HC and met new specialist!) was that my Thyroid gland

itself is perfectly working normally. I have to underline that I have

HYPOTHYROIDISM TYPE 2.

I just wonder what I'll be doing tomorrow! Guess it's ERFA some more days? I

dunno.... Should I try to increase it and see what happens?

>

> Erfa adn T4 all slowly leave th ebody over several weeks., It is safe to

> just stop them as your own thyroid will be still makeing SOME thyroid

> and it wil oick uyp what it is able to do to carry you till you can

> tolerate T3.

December 8, 2009

Increasing ERFA is unliekly to help either. It contains alot more T4

than T3 thus it may be slower in producing more RT3 butit WILL produce

more RT3. I tried for 15 yeras every combo of nbatural thyroid and

natural plus T3 and stil never got rid of RT3 until I went to just T3.

You need ot not try to raise it until your Ferritin is decnet and

cortils well supported then you raise THYROID by raising T3 only.

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December 8, 2009

Increasing ERFA is unliekly to help either. It contains alot more T4

than T3 thus it may be slower in producing more RT3 butit WILL produce

more RT3. I tried for 15 yeras every combo of nbatural thyroid and

natural plus T3 and stil never got rid of RT3 until I went to just T3.

You need ot not try to raise it until your Ferritin is decnet and

cortils well supported then you raise THYROID by raising T3 only.

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December 8, 2009

Increasing ERFA is unliekly to help either. It contains alot more T4

than T3 thus it may be slower in producing more RT3 butit WILL produce

more RT3. I tried for 15 yeras every combo of nbatural thyroid and

natural plus T3 and stil never got rid of RT3 until I went to just T3.

You need ot not try to raise it until your Ferritin is decnet and

cortils well supported then you raise THYROID by raising T3 only.

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December 8, 2009

Are we looking to get rid of rT3 totally so that the blood sample shows a 0.0

value? Or?

December 8, 2009

Are we looking to get rid of rT3 totally so that the blood sample shows a 0.0

value? Or?

December 8, 2009

NOt necessarily;/ But what you are loking for is for T3 ot be able to

reach the cells on a reasonable dose wihtout issues form it. Reducing

RT3 in the blood to 0 doesnlt even guarantee it is out of the receptors

onyl time and enough T3 does that.

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

December 9, 2009

HI Val,

I'm interested in this. I was taking 2 grains Nature THroid and then switched to

100mcg Synthroid. I was on the synthroid 3 weeks but hated it and stopped. I was

then only taking 37.5mcg of Cytomel for 6 days and took labs.

My Thyroxine t4 was 4.3 (4.5-12.0). THis isn't the free, right? I don't know why

this doctor didn't take FT4, he's pretty good with this stuff.

Anyhow, it's below normal. Does that mean I still had T4 in my body, but the

little in the blood was low? I continued for a few more weeks on only Cytomel,

but have now added in 1 grain Erfa.

>

> Erfa adn T4 all slowly leave th ebody over several weeks., It is safe to

> just stop them as your own thyroid will be still makeing SOME thyroid

> and it wil oick uyp what it is able to do to carry you till you can

> tolerate T3.

>

> --

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>

>

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> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

December 9, 2009

HI Val,

I'm interested in this. I was taking 2 grains Nature THroid and then switched to

100mcg Synthroid. I was on the synthroid 3 weeks but hated it and stopped. I was

then only taking 37.5mcg of Cytomel for 6 days and took labs.

My Thyroxine t4 was 4.3 (4.5-12.0). THis isn't the free, right? I don't know why

this doctor didn't take FT4, he's pretty good with this stuff.

Anyhow, it's below normal. Does that mean I still had T4 in my body, but the

little in the blood was low? I continued for a few more weeks on only Cytomel,

but have now added in 1 grain Erfa.

>

> Erfa adn T4 all slowly leave th ebody over several weeks., It is safe to

> just stop them as your own thyroid will be still makeing SOME thyroid

> and it wil oick uyp what it is able to do to carry you till you can

> tolerate T3.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

December 9, 2009

HI Val,

I'm interested in this. I was taking 2 grains Nature THroid and then switched to

100mcg Synthroid. I was on the synthroid 3 weeks but hated it and stopped. I was

then only taking 37.5mcg of Cytomel for 6 days and took labs.

My Thyroxine t4 was 4.3 (4.5-12.0). THis isn't the free, right? I don't know why

this doctor didn't take FT4, he's pretty good with this stuff.

Anyhow, it's below normal. Does that mean I still had T4 in my body, but the

little in the blood was low? I continued for a few more weeks on only Cytomel,

but have now added in 1 grain Erfa.

>

> Erfa adn T4 all slowly leave th ebody over several weeks., It is safe to

> just stop them as your own thyroid will be still makeing SOME thyroid

> and it wil oick uyp what it is able to do to carry you till you can

> tolerate T3.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

December 9, 2009

In 3 weks on Synthroid oyu had not even built UP any T4 in your body

which si why it was this low when you tested.

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December 9, 2009

In 3 weks on Synthroid oyu had not even built UP any T4 in your body

which si why it was this low when you tested.

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December 9, 2009

>What do you mean that was a steep change? You just told me it was

>a reasonable change too? I am a zombie. Forgive me for my

>slowness of mind.

Typo on my part and language slippage, it was a sensible size step,

you can make a big reduction in T4 like that and the body levels very

slowly follow it

>

>I always learned that you have to do changes with Thyroid meds

>SLOWLY. Guess that doesn't always count...

Serum levels follow T4 input very slowly. You can stop it and not

notice for a few days.

Erfa and T3 are much quicker.

As your circulating level of T4 drops you can then increase either

synthetic T3 or Erfa so that the additional T3 makes up for what is no

longer converting from your T4.

>It takes no less than

>3 months to see the " real " change in the blood from a dose change.

In T4 yes, in T3 3 days or so

>Now, I started taking 1/2 grain 18 days ago. Upped to 1 grain 7

>days ago. Removed my T4 (my own decision) today. Is it safe to just

>remove 50 mcg T4 like that?

Yep, in about 4 or 5 days you MIGHT notice it, depends how well you

were converting. If needed add another half or full grain of Erfa

>

>My specialist told me that I can remove T4 just like that because

>we SUSPECT T4 isn't turning into T3, but rather rT3!

Even if it was converting you can remove it and serum levels follow

slowly

>

>Today I took 9 mcg T3 and 38 mcg T4. = 1 grain Thyroid. It's not

>much of a dose now is it...

No, add another half grain soon and another in a week or so if you are

going the Erfa route, you need to decide which way to go.

>

>Maybe I should try to increase Thyroid with 1/2 grain more? But WHEN

>can I do that? Maybe I should wait some days/weeks more? And take

>a new blood sample before I up it?

No point in new bloods yet, you are hypo, Add half a grain in a couple

of days and another half in another 3 or 4 as long as pulse and

temperature are behaving

>

>As for temperatures... I should watch out for TOO LOW temps if I

>make the switch to T3-only, right? And too slow pulse?

>(Meaning I need to up the T3 dose) Or?

Low or high of either. Typical resting pulse targets are between 75

and 90. Temperature target is an average of 37C done on the graphing

times

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

December 9, 2009

>What do you mean that was a steep change? You just told me it was

>a reasonable change too? I am a zombie. Forgive me for my

>slowness of mind.

Typo on my part and language slippage, it was a sensible size step,

you can make a big reduction in T4 like that and the body levels very

slowly follow it

>

>I always learned that you have to do changes with Thyroid meds

>SLOWLY. Guess that doesn't always count...

Serum levels follow T4 input very slowly. You can stop it and not

notice for a few days.

Erfa and T3 are much quicker.

As your circulating level of T4 drops you can then increase either

synthetic T3 or Erfa so that the additional T3 makes up for what is no

longer converting from your T4.

>It takes no less than

>3 months to see the " real " change in the blood from a dose change.

In T4 yes, in T3 3 days or so

>Now, I started taking 1/2 grain 18 days ago. Upped to 1 grain 7

>days ago. Removed my T4 (my own decision) today. Is it safe to just

>remove 50 mcg T4 like that?

Yep, in about 4 or 5 days you MIGHT notice it, depends how well you

were converting. If needed add another half or full grain of Erfa

>

>My specialist told me that I can remove T4 just like that because

>we SUSPECT T4 isn't turning into T3, but rather rT3!

Even if it was converting you can remove it and serum levels follow

slowly

>

>Today I took 9 mcg T3 and 38 mcg T4. = 1 grain Thyroid. It's not

>much of a dose now is it...

No, add another half grain soon and another in a week or so if you are

going the Erfa route, you need to decide which way to go.

>

>Maybe I should try to increase Thyroid with 1/2 grain more? But WHEN

>can I do that? Maybe I should wait some days/weeks more? And take

>a new blood sample before I up it?

No point in new bloods yet, you are hypo, Add half a grain in a couple

of days and another half in another 3 or 4 as long as pulse and

temperature are behaving

>

>As for temperatures... I should watch out for TOO LOW temps if I

>make the switch to T3-only, right? And too slow pulse?

>(Meaning I need to up the T3 dose) Or?

Low or high of either. Typical resting pulse targets are between 75

and 90. Temperature target is an average of 37C done on the graphing

times

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

December 9, 2009

>What do you mean that was a steep change? You just told me it was

>a reasonable change too? I am a zombie. Forgive me for my

>slowness of mind.

Typo on my part and language slippage, it was a sensible size step,

you can make a big reduction in T4 like that and the body levels very

slowly follow it

>

>I always learned that you have to do changes with Thyroid meds

>SLOWLY. Guess that doesn't always count...

Serum levels follow T4 input very slowly. You can stop it and not

notice for a few days.

Erfa and T3 are much quicker.

As your circulating level of T4 drops you can then increase either

synthetic T3 or Erfa so that the additional T3 makes up for what is no

longer converting from your T4.

>It takes no less than

>3 months to see the " real " change in the blood from a dose change.

In T4 yes, in T3 3 days or so

>Now, I started taking 1/2 grain 18 days ago. Upped to 1 grain 7

>days ago. Removed my T4 (my own decision) today. Is it safe to just

>remove 50 mcg T4 like that?

Yep, in about 4 or 5 days you MIGHT notice it, depends how well you

were converting. If needed add another half or full grain of Erfa

>

>My specialist told me that I can remove T4 just like that because

>we SUSPECT T4 isn't turning into T3, but rather rT3!

Even if it was converting you can remove it and serum levels follow

slowly

>

>Today I took 9 mcg T3 and 38 mcg T4. = 1 grain Thyroid. It's not

>much of a dose now is it...

No, add another half grain soon and another in a week or so if you are

going the Erfa route, you need to decide which way to go.

>

>Maybe I should try to increase Thyroid with 1/2 grain more? But WHEN

>can I do that? Maybe I should wait some days/weeks more? And take

>a new blood sample before I up it?

No point in new bloods yet, you are hypo, Add half a grain in a couple

of days and another half in another 3 or 4 as long as pulse and

temperature are behaving

>

>As for temperatures... I should watch out for TOO LOW temps if I

>make the switch to T3-only, right? And too slow pulse?

>(Meaning I need to up the T3 dose) Or?

Low or high of either. Typical resting pulse targets are between 75

and 90. Temperature target is an average of 37C done on the graphing

times

Nick

--

for more information on RT3 and Thyroid Resistance go to

www.thyroid-rt3.com

December 9, 2009

Val, this is an emergency - I feel I might be at the end of my road - My heart

feels so ticklish and weird (much like when I got atrial fibrillation i January

2009)

What do I have to do right now to save my life? I have NO IDEA what's happening

with my heart other than it beat SO SLOWLY (30 bpm + uneven heartbeat) for 20

seconds about 15 mins ago.

* rT3 can block T3 to the heart?

* Too much HC can give me CHF?

* HYPO can give me CHF?

* I just take way too little ERFA Thyroid.

* I stopped taking 50 mcg T4 yesterday. Is this dangerous?

I am so scared!!! ER tells me to just relax and go to my GP to " talk " !!

December 9, 2009

Val, this is an emergency - I feel I might be at the end of my road - My heart

feels so ticklish and weird (much like when I got atrial fibrillation i January

2009)

What do I have to do right now to save my life? I have NO IDEA what's happening

with my heart other than it beat SO SLOWLY (30 bpm + uneven heartbeat) for 20

seconds about 15 mins ago.

* rT3 can block T3 to the heart?

* Too much HC can give me CHF?

* HYPO can give me CHF?

* I just take way too little ERFA Thyroid.

* I stopped taking 50 mcg T4 yesterday. Is this dangerous?

I am so scared!!! ER tells me to just relax and go to my GP to " talk " !!

December 9, 2009

>

>What do I have to do right now to save my life? I have NO IDEA what's happening

with my heart other than it beat SO SLOWLY (30 bpm + uneven heartbeat) for 20

seconds about 15 mins ago.

>

>* rT3 can block T3 to the heart?

Not suddenly

>* Too much HC can give me CHF?

>* HYPO can give me CHF?

Not suddenly

>* I just take way too little ERFA Thyroid.

Yes, but not suddenly

>* I stopped taking 50 mcg T4 yesterday. Is this dangerous?

No

>

>I am so scared!!! ER tells me to just relax and go to my GP to " talk " !!

I would keep taking your pulse a few times, if there are " missing

beats " then count that time interval as though it was a beat. They are

common in hypo.

If it's under 60 then take an extra half grain, it won't hurt and you

can be assured that it will have replaced the missing 50 as that is

worrying you.

Nick

December 9, 2009

>

>What do I have to do right now to save my life? I have NO IDEA what's happening

with my heart other than it beat SO SLOWLY (30 bpm + uneven heartbeat) for 20

seconds about 15 mins ago.

>

>* rT3 can block T3 to the heart?

Not suddenly

>* Too much HC can give me CHF?

>* HYPO can give me CHF?

Not suddenly

>* I just take way too little ERFA Thyroid.

Yes, but not suddenly

>* I stopped taking 50 mcg T4 yesterday. Is this dangerous?

No

>

>I am so scared!!! ER tells me to just relax and go to my GP to " talk " !!

I would keep taking your pulse a few times, if there are " missing

beats " then count that time interval as though it was a beat. They are

common in hypo.

If it's under 60 then take an extra half grain, it won't hurt and you

can be assured that it will have replaced the missing 50 as that is

worrying you.

Nick

December 9, 2009

>

>What do I have to do right now to save my life? I have NO IDEA what's happening

with my heart other than it beat SO SLOWLY (30 bpm + uneven heartbeat) for 20

seconds about 15 mins ago.

>

>* rT3 can block T3 to the heart?

Not suddenly

>* Too much HC can give me CHF?

>* HYPO can give me CHF?

Not suddenly

>* I just take way too little ERFA Thyroid.

Yes, but not suddenly

>* I stopped taking 50 mcg T4 yesterday. Is this dangerous?

No

>

>I am so scared!!! ER tells me to just relax and go to my GP to " talk " !!

I would keep taking your pulse a few times, if there are " missing

beats " then count that time interval as though it was a beat. They are

common in hypo.

If it's under 60 then take an extra half grain, it won't hurt and you

can be assured that it will have replaced the missing 50 as that is

worrying you.

Nick

December 9, 2009

" * rT3 can block T3 to the heart?

* Too much HC can give me CHF?

* HYPO can give me CHF?

* I just take way too little ERFA Thyroid.

* I stopped taking 50 mcg T4 yesterday. Is this dangerous?

I am so scared!!! ER tells me to just relax and go to my GP to " talk " !! "

Go to the hospitaland ask for an electrolyte panel. You do NOT have CHF.

Stoppign T4 meds never killed anyone. RT3 takes over 30 years to kill someone.

HC would take over 300mg taken daily for MONTH S to cause CHF. I agree wiht your

ER that oyu need ot talk to your doctor to aliviate these fears. FEAR is a

symptoms of low cortils not high.It produces adrnealine which can make you even

more feraful and cause heart palps,.

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December 9, 2009

" * rT3 can block T3 to the heart?

* Too much HC can give me CHF?

* HYPO can give me CHF?

* I just take way too little ERFA Thyroid.

* I stopped taking 50 mcg T4 yesterday. Is this dangerous?

I am so scared!!! ER tells me to just relax and go to my GP to " talk " !! "

Go to the hospitaland ask for an electrolyte panel. You do NOT have CHF.

Stoppign T4 meds never killed anyone. RT3 takes over 30 years to kill someone.

HC would take over 300mg taken daily for MONTH S to cause CHF. I agree wiht your

ER that oyu need ot talk to your doctor to aliviate these fears. FEAR is a

symptoms of low cortils not high.It produces adrnealine which can make you even

more feraful and cause heart palps,.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

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