Re: What's happening with my head???

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NO hydrocortisnone does nto cause thicker blood nor mo0re blood volume.

It can cause fluid reteniton whidh is another matter. It does nto dry

out the body.

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NO hydrocortisnone does nto cause thicker blood nor mo0re blood volume.

It can cause fluid reteniton whidh is another matter. It does nto dry

out the body.

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NO hydrocortisnone does nto cause thicker blood nor mo0re blood volume.

It can cause fluid reteniton whidh is another matter. It does nto dry

out the body.

--

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But I've also heard (like from my specialist, who prescribes me HC!) that it's

impossible to read lab tests, bloor or urine, when you are already on HC. I took

HC 16 hours (8 pm) prior to that blood sample (at about 11 am the next day) and

the levels were like that.

How does cortison supplements work? Do they overwrite, or, suppress, the adrenal

glands function, or to they add to the dose or cortisol the adrenals are already

producing?

Replacement, or addition. That's what I'm trying to figure out here.

I also did 2 (!) urine tests, 24 hour ones, to check my Free Cortisol. Both

results were very high. 390* then 323* - The reference range for Free Cortisol

in 24 hour urine is 45 to 272 nmol.

- What does this mean? My specialist doesn't worry. She thinks I need to take

more HC. Maybe 30 to 40 mg daily. Maybe she thinks I need to PUSH the cortison

into my cells? Like, I have some kind of cortison-resistance? I already have

Thyroid hormone resistance, or, I am diagnosed with Hypothyroidism Type 2. (From

an unknown cause, but maybe because of my amalgam fillings!)

My head feels horrible still. A feeling of pressure. And I do drink sea salt

every day. 1 teaspoon daily with my water. I do electrolyte tests at least once

every month. They have been pretty much ok. Except once when the sodium was

lowish and the chlorine was under the lowest reference range. But on next check,

they were ok.

>

> Yes that cortisl is high for someone on HC. I woudl slowly reduce your

> dose. But not too fast. 2.5mg a week is best. It is hard to say what

> your head symotms are from. They most often would indicate an

> electrolyte imbalance. But wiht out labs o know what si going in it is

> hard to suggest anythign to try for it.

>

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>

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>

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But I've also heard (like from my specialist, who prescribes me HC!) that it's

impossible to read lab tests, bloor or urine, when you are already on HC. I took

HC 16 hours (8 pm) prior to that blood sample (at about 11 am the next day) and

the levels were like that.

How does cortison supplements work? Do they overwrite, or, suppress, the adrenal

glands function, or to they add to the dose or cortisol the adrenals are already

producing?

Replacement, or addition. That's what I'm trying to figure out here.

I also did 2 (!) urine tests, 24 hour ones, to check my Free Cortisol. Both

results were very high. 390* then 323* - The reference range for Free Cortisol

in 24 hour urine is 45 to 272 nmol.

- What does this mean? My specialist doesn't worry. She thinks I need to take

more HC. Maybe 30 to 40 mg daily. Maybe she thinks I need to PUSH the cortison

into my cells? Like, I have some kind of cortison-resistance? I already have

Thyroid hormone resistance, or, I am diagnosed with Hypothyroidism Type 2. (From

an unknown cause, but maybe because of my amalgam fillings!)

My head feels horrible still. A feeling of pressure. And I do drink sea salt

every day. 1 teaspoon daily with my water. I do electrolyte tests at least once

every month. They have been pretty much ok. Except once when the sodium was

lowish and the chlorine was under the lowest reference range. But on next check,

they were ok.

>

> Yes that cortisl is high for someone on HC. I woudl slowly reduce your

> dose. But not too fast. 2.5mg a week is best. It is hard to say what

> your head symotms are from. They most often would indicate an

> electrolyte imbalance. But wiht out labs o know what si going in it is

> hard to suggest anythign to try for it.

>

> --

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>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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I trust you, . Have heard good things about you!

Ok. So I shouldn't worry about my blood getting a bit thicker, as well as my

blood volume going a bit up?

I take 25 mcg ferrochel iron for my low Ferritin. (It's in the 40s - possible

from me being on a gluten-free diet since the summer of 2008)

But I don't think that iron supplement is doing that to me. I mean, I need to

get my Ferritin up anyway! Right?

>

> NO hydrocortisnone does nto cause thicker blood nor mo0re blood volume.

> It can cause fluid reteniton whidh is another matter. It does nto dry

> out the body.

>

> --

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>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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FT4 14.0

FT3 5.9

TSH 0.76

Thyroxine 117

Trijodthyronine 2.2

rT3 0.38

Based on my latest labs, I do have a rT3 problem. Not a huge one, but I do. Why

did my specialist tell me to take ERFA Thyroid if she knew about this? She told

me.. " The question is if we need to put you on T3 alone with HC, or try ERFA

Thyroid. " And we went with ERFA Thyroid.

Let me tell you a story from last year, when my " hell " began:

I was on 100 mcg T4 and 40 mcg T3. I got atrial fibrillation one day in January

2008, and my blood sample revealed my FT3 was tooo high. (16+) So my old doctor

(a bad one!!!) removed my T3 in less than 1 month (isn't that very dangerous?

too fast, right?) and told me to take 150 mcg T4 instead, to increase it from

100, to compensate for the loss of 40 mcg T3 daily. This was in February 2008.

What happaned at this exact moment, when T3 was gone, and when T4 was increased:

I got the worst pressure in my head, EVER. And guess what? It stayed. Every day.

Every hour and minute and second. For 8 months!!!! While having this pressure,

and not being able to do ANYTHING in my life, my TSH-obsessed doctor continued

to remove my T4. When I came down to about 100 mcg daily, which was my original

T4 dose (for many years), the pressure dissappeared. This was back in October

2008. I can't believe I spent 8 months with the most insane pressure in my had

EVER - I went nuts, took MR's, CT's of my head, blood samples of EVERYTHING,

feces samples, urine samples, neuropaths, went to all kinds of doctors.... They

found NOTHING, ZIP, NADA.. I was " HEALTHY! " especially according to my blood

samples! (I was never Hypothyroid at all according to my old TSH-obsessed

doctor! But I was feeling good for 10 years before this on T4, and T4/T3 combo!)

It was the Atrial Fibrillation that made medication change. And unfortunately I

changed my doctor to that bad one! But she is gone now. I have a new

specialist now! My new one KNOWS I am sick and knows that I need thyroid-meds! I

mean, I have gained 75 lbs in the past 1 1/2 years now.. That's not normal!

My point is: Maybe I do have a real rT3-problem.

I am SO scared now, because of my head problems reappearing now, for the first

time since October 2008.

>

> If you have high RT3 you shoudl nto be taking anythign wiht T4 init. It

> CAN and WILL most liekly make things worse.

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>

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HC cna work several ways., To a certain poin it adds to your own

coritls, BUT most people wiht adrenal fatigue have what I cann HPA

dysfunction. The HPA is SUPER sensitive to changes and often over reacts

to hormoens. OS when you take ewven a tiny bit of HC it lowers yiur ACTH

to nothing. SO in four hours you literally run out of cortisol (or close

to it) unless oyu take another dose. the extent this happens seems ot be

dependent on your cortils reserves which si cortils that is bound in

your blood. The better your reserves the less effects you get on

siupression of ACTH. Most the itme on the adrneals group I see poeopoek

bneed quite high dosing for th efirst 1-4 months then can reduce the

dose significantly as they have built reserves. PLease take any further

adrenal discussion ot that group The link is in my signature lines if

you are not already a member.

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[Guest guest]

HC cna work several ways., To a certain poin it adds to your own

coritls, BUT most people wiht adrenal fatigue have what I cann HPA

dysfunction. The HPA is SUPER sensitive to changes and often over reacts

to hormoens. OS when you take ewven a tiny bit of HC it lowers yiur ACTH

to nothing. SO in four hours you literally run out of cortisol (or close

to it) unless oyu take another dose. the extent this happens seems ot be

dependent on your cortils reserves which si cortils that is bound in

your blood. The better your reserves the less effects you get on

siupression of ACTH. Most the itme on the adrneals group I see poeopoek

bneed quite high dosing for th efirst 1-4 months then can reduce the

dose significantly as they have built reserves. PLease take any further

adrenal discussion ot that group The link is in my signature lines if

you are not already a member.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

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You could just possibly be dehydrated. Do you take unrefined sea salt?

ANyone wiht weak adrneals shoud be on some salt. Tkaing 1/4 to 1/2 tsp

in water or juice twice a day can really help adrneals ot funciotn

better as they run on soidium

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[Guest guest]

You could just possibly be dehydrated. Do you take unrefined sea salt?

ANyone wiht weak adrneals shoud be on some salt. Tkaing 1/4 to 1/2 tsp

in water or juice twice a day can really help adrneals ot funciotn

better as they run on soidium

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Because specialists will leave you in the dirt with their LACK of

knowledge. FOUR specialists gave me less than 2 years to live 15 years

ago and I am pretty perky for being dead that long;.

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Because specialists will leave you in the dirt with their LACK of

knowledge. FOUR specialists gave me less than 2 years to live 15 years

ago and I am pretty perky for being dead that long;.

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Why did they give you 2 years to live? I'm glad you're still around!

I have a phone appointment with my specialist on December 2nd.

I just hope I will live til that day.

>

> Because specialists will leave you in the dirt with their LACK of

> knowledge. FOUR specialists gave me less than 2 years to live 15 years

> ago and I am pretty perky for being dead that long;.

>

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>

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val, every time i read this i am awed by what you did! what did you do counter to medical advice, that actually saved your life? And by the way, did you ever go back to those docs and tell them how wrong they were?

You're truly an inspiration!

To: RT3_T3 Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 3:25:50 PMSubject: Re: Re: What's happening with my head???Because specialists will leave you in the dirt with their LACK of knowledge. FOUR specialists gave me less than 2 years to live 15 years ago and I am pretty perky for being dead that long;.-- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

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I take sea salt often. Not every single day, but when I feel I need it. Like

today I took almost one full teaspoon of sea salt in water. About 6 hours ago. I

am preparing another glass now.

Better take too much sea salt than too little right?

>

> You could just possibly be dehydrated. Do you take unrefined sea salt?

> ANyone wiht weak adrneals shoud be on some salt. Tkaing 1/4 to 1/2 tsp

> in water or juice twice a day can really help adrneals ot funciotn

> better as they run on soidium

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

I take sea salt often. Not every single day, but when I feel I need it. Like

today I took almost one full teaspoon of sea salt in water. About 6 hours ago. I

am preparing another glass now.

Better take too much sea salt than too little right?

>

> You could just possibly be dehydrated. Do you take unrefined sea salt?

> ANyone wiht weak adrneals shoud be on some salt. Tkaing 1/4 to 1/2 tsp

> in water or juice twice a day can really help adrneals ot funciotn

> better as they run on soidium

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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Ok I just sent my application to the AF group. Thanks Val, you are very kind!

Actually, my specialist send me Medrol (methylprednisolone) with me ERFA

Thyroid, to see if I would do better on that than on normal HC.

Thanks for explaining things to me. I have been on HC since June. Maybe my

adrenals are getting better? Maybe I don't need so much HC now? My specialist is

just worried taking anything with T3 in it can send me back to atrial

fibrillation-land. So she thinks that increasing HC will give me a safe kind of

" Backup " when taking ERFA Thyroid, or T3 alone if I have to do that.

>

> HC cna work several ways., To a certain poin it adds to your own

> coritls, BUT most people wiht adrenal fatigue have what I cann HPA

> dysfunction. The HPA is SUPER sensitive to changes and often over reacts

> to hormoens. OS when you take ewven a tiny bit of HC it lowers yiur ACTH

> to nothing. SO in four hours you literally run out of cortisol (or close

> to it) unless oyu take another dose. the extent this happens seems ot be

> dependent on your cortils reserves which si cortils that is bound in

> your blood. The better your reserves the less effects you get on

> siupression of ACTH. Most the itme on the adrneals group I see poeopoek

> bneed quite high dosing for th efirst 1-4 months then can reduce the

> dose significantly as they have built reserves. PLease take any further

> adrenal discussion ot that group The link is in my signature lines if

> you are not already a member.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

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By the way, my new specialist told me to check my rT3 while I take ERFA Thyroid.

So she does not look away from the rT3-theories. She's a good and kind person,

and I feel good having her as my doctor/specialist. The only problem is that I

can't call her whenever I want. So I am left asking stuff on forums and groups

all the time.

I figure either HC or rT3/ERFA Thyroid's T4, is doing this to me right now. So I

should, what, try to lower my HC dose again? (I just raised it to 20 mg five

days ago, up from 17.5) And keep taking ERFA Thyroid to see what happens next,

or?

>

> If you have high RT3 you shoudl nto be taking anythign wiht T4 init. It

> CAN and WILL most liekly make things worse.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/RT3_T3/

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HypoPets/

>

[Guest guest]

>

>Actually, my specialist send me Medrol (methylprednisolone) with me ERFA

Thyroid, to see if I would do better on that than on normal HC.

Is Medrol the same strength as HC or do you have to take less like

prednesoline??

Nick

[Guest guest]

>

>Actually, my specialist send me Medrol (methylprednisolone) with me ERFA

Thyroid, to see if I would do better on that than on normal HC.

Is Medrol the same strength as HC or do you have to take less like

prednesoline??

Nick

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I had congestive heart failure and a BP of 245/148 for bit over 2

years. They put me on no salt diet adn four BP meds and nothign was

woring. They said there was nothign else they could do and it absolutely

had nothign to do with my thyroid that my TSH was perfect. In reality,

my CHF was Myxedema Coma proabbyl from high cortiols and High RT3

blocking all the T3 from the cells as I was on 500mcg Synthroid. After

receiving this death sentence and five bouts of pneumonia I barely

survived, i got online and learned ot research. I started sea salt and

Armour and started gettign better. One by one I dropped the bPO meds as

my BP improived. I have been onma 15 year quest to learn about and

reverse the damage Syncrap and thes ewonderful specialists did to me. In

the process I have developed SDiaets but that is now well controlled and

I think is simply a consequence pf the total system failure I was in for

so long as I floundered ot learn al lthis crap.

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Sea salt for one! They had me on a no salt diet for 2 years to try to

lower my BP and fluid reteniton. I was oon horrid diuretics as well.

Proabbyl the beginning of my low potassium issues then. I threw the

Synthroid in the trash and started pordering Armoru on line. One by one

as I improved I dropped first the beta blockers then the pther BP meds.

My BP is nbow 127/77 most the time on NO bP meds!

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[Guest guest]

Sea salt for one! They had me on a no salt diet for 2 years to try to

lower my BP and fluid reteniton. I was oon horrid diuretics as well.

Proabbyl the beginning of my low potassium issues then. I threw the

Synthroid in the trash and started pordering Armoru on line. One by one

as I improved I dropped first the beta blockers then the pther BP meds.

My BP is nbow 127/77 most the time on NO bP meds!

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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I woudl ask for some T3 instead of the ERFA thyroid.

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