Re: exercise

[Guest guest]

I have a great hybrid bike, combo street/mountain bike for those who don't know. I love it but haven't ridden in a while. I'm going to see how I do once I'm healed from surgery and start chemo. I'll continue to walk until I feel comfortable getting back on the bike. Last year I did a 25 mile ride with dh.

wrote: Hi Ren, Bikes are so fun...my son starts a paper run next week so I'm going to ride my bike while he walks.....I love when I go down the hills with the wind in my face....actually the wind will be through my hair as it's growing so fast now.I must check the breaks first though lol > I purchased a bicycle last night. Last year I rode until it was stolen. I > am going to try this and hope I can keep it up.> > Good luck> Ren

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[Guest guest]

I have a great hybrid bike, combo street/mountain bike for those who don't know. I love it but haven't ridden in a while. I'm going to see how I do once I'm healed from surgery and start chemo. I'll continue to walk until I feel comfortable getting back on the bike. Last year I did a 25 mile ride with dh.

wrote: Hi Ren, Bikes are so fun...my son starts a paper run next week so I'm going to ride my bike while he walks.....I love when I go down the hills with the wind in my face....actually the wind will be through my hair as it's growing so fast now.I must check the breaks first though lol > I purchased a bicycle last night. Last year I rode until it was stolen. I > am going to try this and hope I can keep it up.> > Good luck> Ren

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[Guest guest]

I have a great hybrid bike, combo street/mountain bike for those who don't know. I love it but haven't ridden in a while. I'm going to see how I do once I'm healed from surgery and start chemo. I'll continue to walk until I feel comfortable getting back on the bike. Last year I did a 25 mile ride with dh.

wrote: Hi Ren, Bikes are so fun...my son starts a paper run next week so I'm going to ride my bike while he walks.....I love when I go down the hills with the wind in my face....actually the wind will be through my hair as it's growing so fast now.I must check the breaks first though lol > I purchased a bicycle last night. Last year I rode until it was stolen. I > am going to try this and hope I can keep it up.> > Good luck> Ren

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[Guest guest]

Hi Amie. I feel much better while exercising and afterwards, but,

lately, worse the next day. I also seem to sleep somewhat better the

night after exercising. What I mean by worse is more pain in my back

and flank which I am starting to believe is not joint or muscle pain,

but from something else. I have read about people here posting that

they could feel pain their adrenals and how their docs told them that

it was impossible. Anyway, I have much more energy to get through a

workout lately, since being on Iso, than the few months before.

-- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Amie "

wrote:

>

> Anyone else feel MUCH better during exercise after starting the HC? And

> after exercise I feel great again.

>

>

>

> I feel like I have strength and endurance again. I can only imagine it's

> because the HC increases blood glucose so you are actually have

something to

> burn to fuel exercise, versus just running on adrenaline (and

hopefully that

> means calories are also being burned off, too). I used to teach

aerobics

> and just wish class was over because I'd be so tired sometimes. Today we

> went over by a few minutes and I've not done that since last year before

> things got bad.

>

>

> -Amie

[Guest guest]

Well, I was ABLE to exercise again after going on Isocort and then HC,

so that was definitely something. I didn't always feel so hot after

exercising on Isocort, sometimes run down feeling for several hours,

but that improved a lot when I switched to HC. I can't say I always

feel terrific afterwards, though, because if it's too much for my

adrenals, it can actually cause a crash. But sometimes, yes, I do feel

the goodness that just comes from getting up and doing some exercise.

I'm not sure if this is the same thing you are describing.

Kathleen

>

> Anyone else feel MUCH better during exercise after starting the HC?

And

> after exercise I feel great again.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I asked my doctor if it was possible, and he said he thought it WAS. I

had been having flank pain off and on, nothing major, just a tired

feeling if I was stressed. It is mostly gone now after taking the

supplements I've been on.

in MI

jasrich wrote:

>

> I have read about people here posting that

> they could feel pain their adrenals and how their docs told them that

> it was impossible.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have you tried yoga for it, at the end of your workout?

http://www.yogacards.com/adrenal_Gland/adrenal_gland_disorders.html

Many people think about yoga toning just the muscles but if you look at what

you are doing, you are toning/stimulating internal organs as well. Feeling

pain in your adrenals may indicate a blockage/energy impediment of some

sort. Now, that page says you need to do this 30 minutes a day to get the

effects; ok, that would be optimal but I think adding some of the poses in

at all has some benefits. Just like some exercise is better than none to

most people.

From: NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS

[mailto:NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ] On Behalf Of jasrich

Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:47 PM

To: NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS

Subject: Re: exercise

Hi Amie. I feel much better while exercising and afterwards, but,

lately, worse the next day. I also seem to sleep somewhat better the

night after exercising. What I mean by worse is more pain in my back

and flank which I am starting to believe is not joint or muscle pain,

but from something else. I have read about people here posting that

they could feel pain their adrenals and how their docs told them that

it was impossible. Anyway, I have much more energy to get through a

workout lately, since being on Iso, than the few months before.

-- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS

<mailto:NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS%40yahoogroups.com> , " Amie "

wrote:

>

> Anyone else feel MUCH better during exercise after starting the HC? And

> after exercise I feel great again.

>

>

>

> I feel like I have strength and endurance again. I can only imagine it's

> because the HC increases blood glucose so you are actually have

something to

> burn to fuel exercise, versus just running on adrenaline (and

hopefully that

> means calories are also being burned off, too). I used to teach

aerobics

> and just wish class was over because I'd be so tired sometimes. Today we

> went over by a few minutes and I've not done that since last year before

> things got bad.

>

>

> -Amie

[Guest guest]

This sort of answers a question I've been wondering about. I've been trying to

get my HC dose correct for me, and I wondered if being on too little would cause

weight loss or if being on too much would prevent it. It seems MY weight has

gone up since I increased my dose up from 15 mgs. which I had been taking for

almost two years. Now I've gone up to 25 mgs. and I am gaining weight. I

wonder if this means my dose is too high. Congrats on the weight loss though; I

know how good that feels. I think for a lot of us though with these hormonal

imbalances that getting growth hormone up is a very important component of

weight loss.

--------- Re: exercise

Well, I was ABLE to exercise again after going on Isocort and then HC,

so that was definitely something. I didn't always feel so hot after

exercising on Isocort, sometimes run down feeling for several hours,

but that improved a lot when I switched to HC. I can't say I always

feel terrific afterwards, though, because if it's too much for my

adrenals, it can actually cause a crash. But sometimes, yes, I do feel

the goodness that just comes from getting up and doing some exercise.

I'm not sure if this is the same thing you are describing.

Kathleen

>

> Anyone else feel MUCH better during exercise after starting the HC?

And

> after exercise I feel great again.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>Now I've gone up to 25 mgs. and I am gaining weight. I wonder if this means

my dose is too high. <<

It could bne but it also could be that it simply is using up the too low thyroid

hormones in your body.. or the couple weeks on Methimazole is just now catching

up to you.

--

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

What often happens at these sort of doses is that you start to

get/feel more hypo as you increase the HC (HC uses up your thryoid,

so you effectively have less floating around) and that can make you

gain weight, not the HC itself. If you were taking excessive HC (more

than replacement dose), then the HC could cause weight gain by

itself, but I don't think you're close to that.

So it may just mean you need more thryoid now! Are you graphing temps

so you know whether you can increase? And do you have other hypo

symptoms, like lowish temps and othe symptoms? I assume you raised

due to unstable temps and/or low cortisol symptoms or inability to

tolerate thyroid?

Kathleen

>

> This sort of answers a question I've been wondering about. I've

been trying to get my HC dose correct for me, and I wondered if being

on too little would cause weight loss or if being on too much would

prevent it. It seems MY weight has gone up since I increased my dose

up from 15 mgs. which I had been taking for almost two years. Now

I've gone up to 25 mgs. and I am gaining weight. I wonder if this

means my dose is too high. Congrats on the weight loss though; I

know how good that feels. I think for a lot of us though with these

hormonal imbalances that getting growth hormone up is a very

important component of weight loss.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I read that some people gain a few lbs when they first get on or increase HC

but then it goes away after especially if the person is able to be active

with the increased energy. I am not sure if the gain is from initial water

retention due to fluctuating sodium levels or something else. I guess the

question would be how much is the gain and over how long a time period.

RE: Re: exercise

This sort of answers a question I've been wondering about. I've been trying

to get my HC dose correct for me, and I wondered if being on too little

would cause weight loss or if being on too much would prevent it. It seems

MY weight has gone up since I increased my dose up from 15 mgs. which I had

been taking for almost two years. Now I've gone up to 25 mgs. and I am

gaining weight. I wonder if this means my dose is too high. Congrats on

the weight loss though; I know how good that feels. I think for a lot of us

though with these hormonal imbalances that getting growth hormone up is a

very important component of weight loss.

--------- Re: exercise

Well, I was ABLE to exercise again after going on Isocort and then HC,

so that was definitely something. I didn't always feel so hot after

exercising on Isocort, sometimes run down feeling for several hours,

but that improved a lot when I switched to HC. I can't say I always

feel terrific afterwards, though, because if it's too much for my

adrenals, it can actually cause a crash. But sometimes, yes, I do feel

the goodness that just comes from getting up and doing some exercise.

I'm not sure if this is the same thing you are describing.

Kathleen

>

> Anyone else feel MUCH better during exercise after starting the HC?

And

> after exercise I feel great again.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>I read that some people gain a few lbs when they first get on or increase HC

but then it goes away after especially if the person is able to be active

with the increased energy. I am not sure if the gain is from initial water

retention due to fluctuating sodium levels or something else. I guess the

question would be how much is the gain and over how long a time period.<<

Usuially any initial gain would be from being hypothyroid as the cortiosl builds

an starts using it properly. Then once the person has prober cortiosl levels and

can raise the thyroid, they can also lose the weight. People have to be aware

that the adrenal situation can change. As healing occurs I have seen several

people suddenly start having symptoms ot high cortisol, and need to lower their

HC. If they are not tuned in to this change they can gain weight from the higher

cortiosl levels.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Cheri,

I've been having this back pain on and off and I am wondering how long you've

been supporting your adrenals? I'm asking because I'd like to know if I'll ever

be able to wean off HC and stay off HC. I seem to be doing the yo-yo

thing...supporting for a while then I get a crisis due probably to heavy stress

and I begin experiencing all the classic adrenal insufficiency problems like

shaking, nauseated, very faint, very weak. No matter what I do, nothing helps

until I " remember " (duh) to go take some HC. Good thing I continued to carry HC

with me. The last time this happened I was shopping at BJs.

P.S. I also have pain just under the bottom of my ribs on the right side. They

found some stones in April and I just completed a gastric emptying study today.

This particular pain has been ongoing for about a year and a half and nobody

seems to know why.

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[Guest guest]

>

> Cheri,

>

> I've been having this back pain on and off and I am wondering how

long you've been supporting your adrenals? I'm asking because I'd

like to know if I'll ever be able to wean off HC and stay off HC. I

seem to be doing the yo-yo thing...supporting for a while then I get

a crisis due probably to heavy stress and I begin experiencing all

the classic adrenal insufficiency problems like shaking, nauseated,

very faint, very weak. No matter what I do, nothing helps until

I " remember " (duh) to go take some HC. Good thing I continued to

carry HC with me. The last time this happened I was shopping at BJs.

>

>

>

> P.S. I also have pain just under the bottom of my ribs on the

right side. They found some stones in April and I just completed a

gastric emptying study today. This particular pain has been ongoing

for about a year and a half and nobody seems to know why.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

That is exactly where my pain is - just under the lower most rib on

the right side and wrapping around towards the back. I thought about

gall stones and they looked at my gall bladder pretty hard a couple of

years ago, but not lately. My pain was better yesterday and not too

bad today, but it's still there. I'm also super hypoT right now so

maybe it will all fade when/if I get optimized on Armour.

> P.S. I also have pain just under the bottom of my ribs on the right

side. They found some stones in April and I just completed a gastric

emptying study today. This particular pain has been ongoing for about

a year and a half and nobody seems to know why.

[Guest guest]

,

Is your back pain high up like above the kidneys, middle, or lower? High up

and mid is likely adrenals but when I was at my worst, it also radiated to

my lower back and up front to my abdomen on both sides. Pain on the left

front side is usually the colon (I have that frequently and then up my

probiotics) and the front right is frequently liver and gall bladder issues

if under the rib area.

I can't really answer the HC question since this is a new treatment for me

as I waited to go on it as a last resort and am starting out with the weaker

form, Isocort. I think this is an ongoing management issue of the illness

and if you are in an early stage you might be able to get off of it

permanently, but for me in stage 7 I don't really believe I will ever be

able to function without ongoing support so I have finally adjusted my

thinking to this will be lifelong for me and I need to just deal with that.

I have been supporting adrenals since 2003 but not with hydrocortisone

(other than creams once in awhile). I had been changing my diet, taking

herbs and supplements, and the biggest help was adrenal supplements

specifically Dr. 's Adrenal rebuilder. It helped a lot because I was

at deaths door. From the very first pill I felt my stomach instantly warm

up. Keep in mind I was very, very ill at 93 temperature at times and never

above 95. I would be bed ridden for weeks at times and would have the chills

where I was literally shaking all the time. Also had tremors and paralysis

which in 2001 led me to a neurologist who said I have a whole body illness

and we started working on stuff for MS and other issues. However, I now

believe it is all related to my mercury poisoning and how it killed my

adrenals. No more paralysis or tremors (sometimes shakes if my

sodium/potassium balance is off) and rarely do I have hypoglycemic issues

since limiting my glycemic foods and stick to good carbs. I haven't had a

blackout since 2004 and I used to have them weekly, sometimes daily.

However, as far as getting " well " I think 2005 was a pretty good year then

the past two have not been good as I have been getting worse again. So, that

is why I started on Isocort which I have only been taking for a week or so

now. I also just started DHEA since 7-Keto I guess was not enough for me. I

have done the progesterone cream on and off for a few years based on

symptoms and changes.

I am hoping the Isocort and then adding T3 will help me get to the next

phase of healing. 's adrenal rebuilder did help a lot (also has

thyroid support in it) but it was not enough to get me where I need to be. I

talked to him about this and normally it takes about 2 years for someone

like me, but since I am at the 4 year mark, I knew I needed more. He agreed

but wasn't sure what more I could do since I was already following the

program so strictly...other than adding steroids which I was reluctant to do

for awhile. So, I am now trying Isocort and if I need more will try Cortef.

Based on my symptoms, I have had adrenal disease at least since age 11 so no

wonder I am at the stage I am at.

I do know that whenever I would get a slight infection, I would get severe

pain in my adrenals and would have to take extra Kombu and adrenal rebuilder

and I would be fine. Changing my diet to pro-adrenal supporting foods helped

too. I really don't know what is in Kombu that helps me so much...the

iodine, the sea salt, or what...but I had an infection in 2002 where I lost

my voice for two weeks, had an upper respiratory infection that progressed

to pneumonia...and after taking huge amounts of Kombu I got my voice back in

24 hours and my lung infection and goiters went away within a few days. I

also take it before flying because of the radiation exposure. Kombu absorbs

radiation and protects your body. The Japanese used it after we bombed

Hiroshima to protect them from radiation poisoning.

Now, on the gallbladder issue, supporting the liver helps because they work

together.

http://www.liverdoctor.com/index.php?page=liver-problems & subpage=gall-bladde

r

Bile is the concern there. I have had many, many gallbladder attacks (a

couple very severe that most people would have gone and had surgery for).

However, I learned that gallbladder surgery should be avoided if at all

possible because we need our gallbladders and the liver will still get

stones without a gall bladder. Some docs dispute that, but I have talked to

numerous patients like me who get liver stones. I have done some natural

things to break up my stones and pass them. Organic apple juice and lemon

has helped. I still have a lot but no attacks for at least 3 years and once

in awhile get a slight pain then do more liver and gall bladder support

things. The main thing is, whether it is gall bladder or liver, the cause is

a toxic liver so that needs to be addressed ongoing.

I actually googled on how to break up the stones and detox that. I think one

site I used back then was curezone.com which you can search for

" gallbladder " . I never did their cleanses with the oils and stuff because I

felt my adrenals could not handle it, but I did and still do the ongoing

herbal parasite cleanse which works well and I do colon cleanses (gentle

ones) ongoing. Haven't tried their liver cleanse but do herbal support for

that.

Cheri

RE: Re: exercise

Cheri,

I've been having this back pain on and off and I am wondering how long

you've been supporting your adrenals? I'm asking because I'd like to know if

I'll ever be able to wean off HC and stay off HC.

They found some stones in April and I just completed a gastric emptying

study today.

.

[Guest guest]

This is how I determine for myself when it is my adrenals versus the

liver/gallbladder.

Liver and gallbladder normally starts in front below the rib (right side)

and may radiate back...but it will be stronger in front. And you can have

both liver and gallbladder stones.

Adrenals start in back..they are strongest in back and if the pain radiates

forward it is lesser in front. At least this has been my experience. Since I

have both adrenal glands the pain is on both sides of the back but if it is

only the right side and you have both glands--it could likely be the

liver/gallbladder instead. The general area of both is about the same (under

the rib cage) but again, does the pain start and the strongest on your back

or the front of the torso?

The other thing is, since the liver is the largest detoxing organ, if you

have adrenal issues, I could almost guarantee you have liver issues.

Cheri

Re: exercise

sorry to but in here,,but i have the saem pains also for years

now,,feels like adrenal pain,and i just found out i have stones to.

.

[Guest guest]

What are the symptoms of being on too much HC?

wrote:

Usuially any initial gain would be from being hypothyroid as the cortiosl builds

an starts using it properly. Then once the person has prober cortiosl levels and

can raise the thyroid, they can also lose the weight. People have to be aware

that the adrenal situation can change. As healing occurs I have seen several

people suddenly start having symptoms ot high cortisol, and need to lower their

HC. If they are not tuned in to this change they can gain weight from the higher

cortiosl levels.

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[Guest guest]

>>What are the symptoms of being on too much HC?<<

Cushings symptoms. High pulse, fluid retention, round face, hump on the bock of

the neck. High blood sugar. Most of these take several weeks to manifest. Which

is why it is SO important to graph temps while raising HC. The temp averages

tell you when you have ENOUGH so you don;t go pasty that point into to high

levels.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Then get yourself some Breakstone Tea to see if you can dissolve those stones!

sorry to but in here,,but i have the saem pains also for years

now,,feels like adrenal pain,and i just found out i have stones to.

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[Guest guest]

The way I found out I had stones was by eating a high fat meal. In my case, I

was enjoying a rare bowl of ice cream. High fat content foods stimulate a

protein that sends a message to your gallbladder to release bile. When the

gallbladder releases the bile, stones either block or try to pass into the bile

duct causing severe pain. Believe me, you'll know!

My husband is starting to feel this same pain. At first I thought about

gallbladder, but now I'm not so sure with him. It doesn't run in his family as

it did with mine.

Since I don't have a gallbladder, my gastro doc thinks it's just fibromyalgia

related. Oh well. I wonder what he'll have to say on Thursday. I'm having to

go back because my stomach isn't emptying foods very well.

Good luck to you!

jasrich wrote: That is exactly

where my pain is - just under the lower most rib on

the right side and wrapping around towards the back. I thought about

gall stones and they looked at my gall bladder pretty hard a couple of

years ago, but not lately. My pain was better yesterday and not too

bad today, but it's still there. I'm also super hypoT right now so

maybe it will all fade when/if I get optimized on Armour.

> P.S. I also have pain just under the bottom of my ribs on the right

side. They found some stones in April and I just completed a gastric

emptying study today. This particular pain has been ongoing for about

a year and a half and nobody seems to know why.

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[Guest guest]

Cheri,

Thanks for you response. I'll be saving it to refer to later on. I know I have

sludge that needs to be addressed. But with the rest of my digestive system no

operating so well, it is difficult because things are not moving as they should.

Food is staying in my stomach too long and at night it is the worst even though

I eat a light evening meal.

I'm taking whole food supplements just to keep my nutrition up including some

probiotics and enzymes, bile salts and digestive aids. It's not working though.

So it's time to go back and let these docs give me an idea of what they see

inside me if anything.

My back pain apparently is adrenal related because as soon as I stress dosed, it

was greatly, GREATLY relieved. Wish I could say the same for the pain

underneath my right bottom rib. There's also a feeling of fullness there like

my liver is swollen, but when they did an MRI, everything came back

normal...including my gallbladder which I haven't had since 1994! LOL It was a

cut-and-paste error when the report was being prepared. But I thought it was

funny. I was going to make a million dollars with the National Enquirer! Woman

miraculously grows back gallbladder! LOL

Anyhoo. Thanks for your response. I do appreciate it!

MsSquarepants wrote:

,

Is your back pain high up like above the kidneys, middle, or lower? High up

and mid is likely adrenals but when I was at my worst, it also radiated to

my lower back and up front to my abdomen on both sides. Pain on the left

front side is usually the colon (I have that frequently and then up my

probiotics) and the front right is frequently liver and gall bladder issues

if under the rib area.

I can't really answer the HC question since this is a new treatment for me

as I waited to go on it as a last resort and am starting out with the weaker

form, Isocort. I think this is an ongoing management issue of the illness

and if you are in an early stage you might be able to get off of it

permanently, but for me in stage 7 I don't really believe I will ever be

able to function without ongoing support so I have finally adjusted my

thinking to this will be lifelong for me and I need to just deal with that.

I have been supporting adrenals since 2003 but not with hydrocortisone

(other than creams once in awhile). I had been changing my diet, taking

herbs and supplements, and the biggest help was adrenal supplements

specifically Dr. 's Adrenal rebuilder. It helped a lot because I was

at deaths door. From the very first pill I felt my stomach instantly warm

up. Keep in mind I was very, very ill at 93 temperature at times and never

above 95. I would be bed ridden for weeks at times and would have the chills

where I was literally shaking all the time. Also had tremors and paralysis

which in 2001 led me to a neurologist who said I have a whole body illness

and we started working on stuff for MS and other issues. However, I now

believe it is all related to my mercury poisoning and how it killed my

adrenals. No more paralysis or tremors (sometimes shakes if my

sodium/potassium balance is off) and rarely do I have hypoglycemic issues

since limiting my glycemic foods and stick to good carbs. I haven't had a

blackout since 2004 and I used to have them weekly, sometimes daily.

However, as far as getting " well " I think 2005 was a pretty good year then

the past two have not been good as I have been getting worse again. So, that

is why I started on Isocort which I have only been taking for a week or so

now. I also just started DHEA since 7-Keto I guess was not enough for me. I

have done the progesterone cream on and off for a few years based on

symptoms and changes.

I am hoping the Isocort and then adding T3 will help me get to the next

phase of healing. 's adrenal rebuilder did help a lot (also has

thyroid support in it) but it was not enough to get me where I need to be. I

talked to him about this and normally it takes about 2 years for someone

like me, but since I am at the 4 year mark, I knew I needed more. He agreed

but wasn't sure what more I could do since I was already following the

program so strictly...other than adding steroids which I was reluctant to do

for awhile. So, I am now trying Isocort and if I need more will try Cortef.

Based on my symptoms, I have had adrenal disease at least since age 11 so no

wonder I am at the stage I am at.

I do know that whenever I would get a slight infection, I would get severe

pain in my adrenals and would have to take extra Kombu and adrenal rebuilder

and I would be fine. Changing my diet to pro-adrenal supporting foods helped

too. I really don't know what is in Kombu that helps me so much...the

iodine, the sea salt, or what...but I had an infection in 2002 where I lost

my voice for two weeks, had an upper respiratory infection that progressed

to pneumonia...and after taking huge amounts of Kombu I got my voice back in

24 hours and my lung infection and goiters went away within a few days. I

also take it before flying because of the radiation exposure. Kombu absorbs

radiation and protects your body. The Japanese used it after we bombed

Hiroshima to protect them from radiation poisoning.

Now, on the gallbladder issue, supporting the liver helps because they work

together.

http://www.liverdoctor.com/index.php?page=liver-problems & subpage=gall-bladde

r

Bile is the concern there. I have had many, many gallbladder attacks (a

couple very severe that most people would have gone and had surgery for).

However, I learned that gallbladder surgery should be avoided if at all

possible because we need our gallbladders and the liver will still get

stones without a gall bladder. Some docs dispute that, but I have talked to

numerous patients like me who get liver stones. I have done some natural

things to break up my stones and pass them. Organic apple juice and lemon

has helped. I still have a lot but no attacks for at least 3 years and once

in awhile get a slight pain then do more liver and gall bladder support

things. The main thing is, whether it is gall bladder or liver, the cause is

a toxic liver so that needs to be addressed ongoing.

I actually googled on how to break up the stones and detox that. I think one

site I used back then was curezone.com which you can search for

" gallbladder " . I never did their cleanses with the oils and stuff because I

felt my adrenals could not handle it, but I did and still do the ongoing

herbal parasite cleanse which works well and I do colon cleanses (gentle

ones) ongoing. Haven't tried their liver cleanse but do herbal support for

that.

Cheri

RE: Re: exercise

Cheri,

I've been having this back pain on and off and I am wondering how long

you've been supporting your adrenals? I'm asking because I'd like to know if

I'll ever be able to wean off HC and stay off HC.

They found some stones in April and I just completed a gastric emptying

study today.

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Got cha and thanks again Val.

wrote:

>>What are the symptoms of being on too much HC?<<

Cushings symptoms. High pulse, fluid retention, round face, hump on the bock of

the neck. High blood sugar. Most of these take several weeks to manifest. Which

is why it is SO important to graph temps while raising HC. The temp averages

tell you when you have ENOUGH so you don;t go pasty that point into to high

levels.

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Hey val I have a question regarding the saliva test for Cushings. I

am confident my husband has Cushings; has round face, big fatty

tissue on back of neck, diabetes, high bloodl pressure. So I need to

know when I order his saliva test what do I ask for? I want to order

it for him as his VA doc won't do it cause their labs do not use that

test. Blut he said order it, he would look at it. I also want

diagnose from the lab that does the test.

Also I am ordering a saliva test for my grandaughter, as I'm sure she

has adrenal problems. She has had IBS, hypoglycemia, been diagnosed

with auto-immune where she gets bad hives, the body attacks itself I

guess or any food they may think is foreign. She has been in

hospital more than once because of hives on face and throat. She

also now has been diagnosed with diverticulitis last time in hospital

with the hives and stomach pain and nausea. What do I ask for from

the website for her saliva test??? Want to make sure I get the right

tests on my husband and grandaughter. The saliva test sure helped me

tremendously, I know it diagnosed me correctly as the HC is doing

wonders for me right now, but know I have a long way to go. Thanks

>>What are the symptoms of being

on too much HC?<<

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> Cushings symptoms. High pulse, fluid retention, round face, hump

on the bock of the neck. High blood sugar. Most of these take several

weeks to manifest. Which is why it is SO important to graph temps

while raising HC. The temp averages tell you when you have ENOUGH so

you don;t go pasty that point into to high levels.

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>> So I need to

know when I order his saliva test what do I ask for? I want to order

it for him as his VA doc won't do it cause their labs do not use that

test. Blut he said order it, he would look at it. I also want

diagnose from the lab that does the test. <<

Actually a better test for Cushings would probably be a 24 hour urinary cortisol

test. A saliva test will tell if he is high in cortisl all the time, but for a

diagnosis to be made oyu only need the total amount of cortisol. I am not sure

how accurate a saliva test would be for high cortils but it would show it. NO

LAB will give you a doagnosis based on their testing. That is a doctor's

position that interprets the labs. Which is another reaspn to use testing the

doctor is familiar wiht .

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