Graves

[Guest guest]

Oops! Got mixed up. Thought that was a private email. Oh well!

By the way, checking free T3 and T4 levels is more accurate than checking total

T3 and T4 levels. These free level

tests avoid most abnormalities with binding. However, Elaine worked for a very

long time in a lab. She would be more

reliable than me for learning about why free T3 and T4 levels are better than

total levels.

Take care,

Utecht wrote:

> Hi Jody-

>

> They're probably reluctant to use T3 because it's gone so fast. It has a half

life of 3/4 of a day but for me

> levels are really only high enough for a couple of hours. The T3 is still

there but it's not at a high enough level

> for me to really benefit the rest of the time. On Armour, it seems to last

longer. I don't get the ups and downs

> as severely as I did on Cytomel and Synthroid. However, I don't feel quite as

good as I did on C and S for just

> those 2 hours after I take my T3. The rest of the time I feel better. I

didn't expect that and wonder if it's

> because of the microcellulose in Armour. Maybe it delays absorption. Kind of

like a time-released pill.

>

> I wonder too if they're reluctant to use T3 because the doctor can't really

use TSH to see how the patient is doing

> any longer. TSH is much more sensitive than checking T3 and T4 levels. For

example, my TSH is 0.01 (that'd cause

> most doctors to frantically reduce my dose) but my T3 and T4 levels are

mid-normal (on T4 only, my T4 levels were

> high-normal, T3 levels were way under normal, and TSH was normal). My BP is

now 125/70 and HR is 70-75. It took a

> lot of experimenting to get me here and it was probably a pain in the butt for

the endo.

>

> I don't think that most endos really have stock in Knoll (synthroid). It's

just much easier to take care of a

> patient on Synthroid. The endo doesn't have to see them as often or spend as

much time with them when they do come

> in.

>

> If you have any questions about T3 I'd be happy to tell you both the good and

bad things about it.

>

> Take care,

>

>

>

> Jody Spitale wrote:

>

> > ,

> > My new endo has promised that if 'tweaking' my TRH doesn't make me feel

> > better by October she will begin with T3 for me, but she stressed it is

> > still very experimental. I have yet to read from anyone on T3 that it has

> > been anything but beneficial (once through the adjustments and getting

> > dosage correct and timing of taking it etc.) It make me really question WHY

> > then so many of our endo's are hesitant or down right refuse to give it to

> > us...hmmmmmm kinda like my first 2 endos who INSISTED I could only take

> > synthroid...I suspect that many have quite a bit of investment in certain

> > drug companies. But then I am being really cynical lately.

> >

> > I also believe my primary has investments in the *new miracle cureall*

> > prozac!!! He no longer trys to get me to take it, I absolutely refuse after

> > one endo put me on it to lose weight....ARGHHHHHHHHHHH.

> > Take care,

> > Jody

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hey Jody,

Some docs are leery of adding T3 on anyone older than 45 because it's more

likely to get our heart racing. But since that's exactly what we need, it

does make you wonder.

What are they doing to tweak your TRH. I'm curious. I've heard of using

cortisone and DHEA but can't say I know anyone who has had this done. I've

tried pituitrophin glandular extract I got from a naturopath and I get some

of jittery and skittish when I take it, so obviously I haven't built up to a

higher dose like they recommend.

Thanks, too, for the Wakefield info. E

[Guest guest]

,

I just wanted to add that my lab has never taken " free " T-3 and " free " T-4

levels. They only take regular T-3, T-7 , and TSH levels. I asked the lab

technician last time I was getting tested if she had ever heard of " free "

t-3 and " Free " t-4 levels and she said, " yea, but we can't do that kind of

test here, we would have to send it out to be done " . Strange, huh? I

don't guess it should surprise me that Arkansas is lagging behind the

cutting edge of medical technology.

e

Re: Graves

> Oops! Got mixed up. Thought that was a private email. Oh well!

>

> By the way, checking free T3 and T4 levels is more accurate than checking

total T3 and T4 levels. These free level

> tests avoid most abnormalities with binding. However, Elaine worked for a

very long time in a lab. She would be more

> reliable than me for learning about why free T3 and T4 levels are better

than total levels.

>

> Take care,

>

>

>

>

>

> Utecht wrote:

>

> > Hi Jody-

> >

> > They're probably reluctant to use T3 because it's gone so fast. It has

a half life of 3/4 of a day but for me

> > levels are really only high enough for a couple of hours. The T3 is

still there but it's not at a high enough level

> > for me to really benefit the rest of the time. On Armour, it seems to

last longer. I don't get the ups and downs

> > as severely as I did on Cytomel and Synthroid. However, I don't feel

quite as good as I did on C and S for just

> > those 2 hours after I take my T3. The rest of the time I feel better.

I didn't expect that and wonder if it's

> > because of the microcellulose in Armour. Maybe it delays absorption.

Kind of like a time-released pill.

> >

> > I wonder too if they're reluctant to use T3 because the doctor can't

really use TSH to see how the patient is doing

> > any longer. TSH is much more sensitive than checking T3 and T4 levels.

For example, my TSH is 0.01 (that'd cause

> > most doctors to frantically reduce my dose) but my T3 and T4 levels are

mid-normal (on T4 only, my T4 levels were

> > high-normal, T3 levels were way under normal, and TSH was normal). My

BP is now 125/70 and HR is 70-75. It took a

> > lot of experimenting to get me here and it was probably a pain in the

butt for the endo.

> >

> > I don't think that most endos really have stock in Knoll (synthroid).

It's just much easier to take care of a

> > patient on Synthroid. The endo doesn't have to see them as often or

spend as much time with them when they do come

> > in.

> >

> > If you have any questions about T3 I'd be happy to tell you both the

good and bad things about it.

> >

> > Take care,

> >

> >

> >

> > Jody Spitale wrote:

> >

> > > ,

> > > My new endo has promised that if 'tweaking' my TRH doesn't make me

feel

> > > better by October she will begin with T3 for me, but she stressed it

is

> > > still very experimental. I have yet to read from anyone on T3 that it

has

> > > been anything but beneficial (once through the adjustments and getting

> > > dosage correct and timing of taking it etc.) It make me really

question WHY

> > > then so many of our endo's are hesitant or down right refuse to give

it to

> > > us...hmmmmmm kinda like my first 2 endos who INSISTED I could only

take

> > > synthroid...I suspect that many have quite a bit of investment in

certain

> > > drug companies. But then I am being really cynical lately.

> > >

> > > I also believe my primary has investments in the *new miracle cureall*

> > > prozac!!! He no longer trys to get me to take it, I absolutely refuse

after

> > > one endo put me on it to lose weight....ARGHHHHHHHHHHH.

> > > Take care,

> > > Jody

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >

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not intended to replace expert medical care.

> > > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> > > ----------------------------------------

> >

> >

> >

> > -------------------------------------

> > The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

intended to replace expert medical care.

> > Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> > ----------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------

> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine,

Well I will be 48 next month, maybe that is why one of my other endo's

didn't want to do it, the second one just plain refused and said he will NOT

use T3 until it is proven...I argued that until more use it how will it get

'proven'...he said he is ultra-conservative and will not treat HIS thyroid

patience with anything but synthroid and prozac. Needless to say I never

went back to him. Of course, maybe it also has something to do with my

going into congestive heart failure before diagnosis 4 1/2 years ago...do

you think it would be dangerous for me to try T3 with that in the

background? I just want some of my energy back and I want my memory

back...TRH just isn't doing it for me. Last FT3 was low also.

As for the 'tweaking' right now she just upped my dose and changed me from

synthroid to levethroid (she was hesitant to change brands, but I

insisted...maybe just seeing if she was going to let me call any of the

shots?) anyhow get blood drawn next week, then she wants to try alternating

dosages for 4 weeks and more blood work before she will attempt anything

else. She and I had a long talk on my first appointment and I was right up

front with her about being involved and going more by how I feel than lab

values and she didn't have any problem with that...what made me trust her

though was when she told me she no longer recommends RAI except as a very

last resort. She reads and questions and trys to keep up with things and

listens. Means a lot. I shouldn't be so impatient I guess, just started

with her in June, I just want to feel better.

Your welcome for the Wakefield stuff, as I get more or more URL's I will

pass them on. Let me know what you think when you have time to read.

Jody

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[Guest guest]

I've never had anything but the free T3 and T4 levels checked.

[Guest guest]

Hey Jody,

sorry to butt in here, but I wanted to mention that I had been on Synthroid

for about 8 years and doing fairly OK when I somehow started getting generic

levothyroxine. I have a ton of records from both before and after since I was

running my own labs frequently, and with the switch, I quit converting T4

into T3. Prior to the switch my FT3 was in the middle of the normal range.

Within a week after I changed to generic, my FT3 began falling and it

eventually settled down way below the normal range. Unfortunately my doc

chose to ignore this since my TSH was fine. However, I developed sleep apnea

and gained weight. And I changed docs and got on Armour. I've been pleased

with Armour and plan to stay on it. E

[Guest guest]

No, if you reduced your protein, you'd have less protein to bind with thyroid

hormone and circulate in the blood so your total levels would be lower.

However, your free hormone levels wouldn't be affected by your protein

levels. That's why the free hormone levels are accurate.

The body normally has way more protein bound thyroid hormone than it needs

circulating through the blood. With higher levels of these particular

carrier proteins, there's just more hormone carried around. But it doesn't

affect how much of the stuff will necessarily be cleaved from protein and set

free. Your levels of free thyroid hormone are more of a reflection of how

much thyroid hormone your thyroid is putting out, not how much protein is

circulating. That's why the total levels paint a false picture of what's

going on.

[Guest guest]

Elaine,

Butt in anytime...I learn so very much from you!!!

Did you go back to Synthroid or do you still take leverthroid along with the

Armour?

Jody

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Elaine,

I just received somemore on the vaccine info, it needs to be cleaned up as I

don't send anything with all the >>>> stuff, too messy As soon as I have

it done I will send to both you and . Scarey stuff isn't it? Have you

had a chance to go to www.909shot.com yet? Another site is www.feat.org. I

have also found many sites by typing in Barbara Loe Fisher in search. She

and Coulter co-authored a book called Shots in the Dark. I have just

ordered it, there is another book on the 909shot site about vaccines,

everything that is in them, every possible side effect, and other info that

escapes my mind right now, it is the next book I am ordering. I wish I had

known this stuff when my kids were little, I would have done whatever I

could to have held off immunizations at least until age 2/3 when their

immune system is more developed. Scarey stuff isn't it? I do know also,

that you can e-mail Barbara Loe Fisher from the 909shot site and she will

get back to you. I have friends that know her personnally and say she is

wonderful, so she would be very helpful in getting you more articles or web

sites if you want to use this stuff in your next book.

My new endo isn't opposed to using T3, she just would like to improve things

without it if possible since I have not, in four years, had anyone

experiment with my dosages of TRH.

As for the Prozac...that was my second endo who stated right front he is

ultra-conservative and the prozac was perscribed by him to help me take off

weight...go figure.

Do you take Armour and Synthroid both or just Armour? It sounds like I

should have her put me back on Synthroid, this generic has done nothing for

me in improving how I feel. As for having some hyper feelings...I could use

some of those. Right now I am dragging, but then too, it has been so hot

and the humidity level has been horrible for 3 weeks now and that zaps me

too.

Take Care,

Jody

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[Guest guest]

Elaine,

Here are two other sites that may be helpful to you, I have just bookmarked

them but not searched through them yet. I am also trying to find

Reynolds e-mail addie for you, I shared your e-mail with a friend involved

with CAN and FEAT and she thought maybe would be an asset for you

and your research. You can read s testimony at the Congressional

Hearings on their web site I sent you the other day.

Jody

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[Guest guest]

I pretty much just take the Armour, but I have a large stash of generic

levothyroxine which I use once or twice a month. Despite whatever cooties

might be in the Armour, it also have calcitonin, thyronine and T1 and T2 and

no one knows for sure what the importance of those thyroid precursor hormones

is. Since I have little functional thyroid tissue left, I want to get the

closest I can to natural replacement.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Jody, I saw 's name there but haven't yet read all the parent

testimonies. I never really dove into this before, and, in fact, I used to

think that people leery of immunizations were fanatical.

Now I see that the changes with mandatory combined therapy started in 1978.

And that's when the autism and type 1 diabetes rates jumped sky high. I've

really noticed the diabetes increase. We used to get newly diagnosed kids

here and there, and suddenly we were seeing tons of kids.

Since my kids were 5 and 6 in 1978, I never kept on top of the problems.

However, one of my best friends lost a 2 month old to SIDS shortly after

receiving a vaccination in 1980.

[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine,

If I hadn't met a family here who was directly affected because of the DPT

shot and the autisim that came from that immunization, I probably never

would have thought twice about this. But since I began my project to help

this family here locally I have met so many families that are affected and

with almost all of them, the change in their children can directly be traced

back to either the MMR or the DPT.

It is funny because I had just read in the archives here about the MMR and

how it may play into GD or other auto-immune diseases, and that thought has

just stuck with me. Three weeks later I was asked to help this family and

now I can't stop researching, nor will I stop working to keep my newest

grandson from having his immunizations until his immune system is developed.

When you think about this with a common sense approach...it surely does

NOT make sense to be putting live virus's, Mercury, aluminium, Formaldahyde

Tin or a myrad of other properties into a human body, especially one that

has no immune system to stave off effects. It just does not make

sense...and look at people our age Elaine...how many of us with GD have a

mouth full of mercury fillings? I know I do.

Why should a hep B be madatory for a newborn or 2 month old...do they really

think they are going out and having wild sex and using IV needles???? God

help us when they try to put this new AIDS vaccine into our babies, my God,

it is causing HIV in the rats they are testing it on!!! I think they are

using our children as guinea pigs with the governments blessings...after all

in big business and politics, children are expendable. I'm sorry, I'm angry

tonight, we had a meeting and 3 new mothers with 2 with 3 year olds, and one

with a 4 year old whose children were just diagnosed in the last 3 months

with forms of autisim...and here in my community the schools won't do a

thing except ABA...the bare minimum. Becky told me that makes 6 little ones

diagnosed with autisim in our county since Sept. '99.

And then look, I know before I quit reading the ngdf board I was seeing so

many more young children and teenagers being diagnosed with GD and it is

suppose to be RARE, affecting only 1/4 of 1% of thyroid sufferers...how long

is it going to take before things start clicking in the medical profession?

Thanks for letting me blow off, I needed it

Jody

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[Guest guest]

, Elaine and , (Francine, I thought you might like this post too)

This is so strange since this topic was brought in here first this week and

I haven't talked with anyone else about it...the following is a copy and

paste of a post from my NOVaccines group...talk about DejaVu!!!

Subject: Made Cow Disease From Vaccines...

" Vaccines made from bovine-derived

materials from countries with a known or uncertain risk of bovine spongiform

encephalopathy (BSE) carry only an infinitesimal risk " - As infinitesimal as

the risk of severe side effect from vaccine? If so, then I'll pass, thanks.

[PROVE] Mad Cow Disease from Vaccines?

(Some vaccines may be contaminated with Mad Cow Disease from the fetal cow

serum used to make vaccines and the FDA won't fess up and reveal the

companies using potentially contaminated serum - but those who profess to

know better for your child than you still say it is safe to give shots)

Vaccines Made From Materials From BSE Countries Present Almost No Risk of

CJD

By Steve

WASHINGTON, Jul 28 (Reuters Health) - Vaccines made from ovine-derived

materials from countries with a known or uncertain risk of bovine spongiform

encephalopathy (BSE) carry only an infinitesimal risk of new variant

Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD), two advisory committees of the US Food and

Drug Administration (FDA) said at a joint meeting on Thursday.

The Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathies Advisory Committee and the

Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee unanimously

agreed with committee member Dr. Bruce M. Ewenstein's assessment that

" although there is a theoretical risk...the risks do not exceed the

benefits " of vaccination.

Dr. Egan, acting director of the FDA's Office of Vaccine Research

and Review, said that the agency convened the meeting because it learned in

March that its recommendation that bovine-derived materials from countries

with a certain or unknown BSE risk not be used in biological products " has

not been followed universally by vaccine manufacturers. "

He noted, however, that " no evidence exists that any case of vCJD has

resulted from the administration of a vaccine product. " An official from the

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) confirmed this assessment,

saying that since 1979 " there have been no documented cases of vCJD in the

US...so we're pretty confident that we do not have vCJD in the US. "

Despite the agreement by both committees that the risk was almost

nonexistent, most committee members believed that some effort should be made

to communicate this risk to physicians. Although a Dear Doctor letter and an

addition to labeling was suggested, the committees deemed these insufficient

and instead favored committee member Dr. Ferrieri's suggestion that

the FDA place a notice in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

Officials from the FDA agreed with this idea. The communication should note

that this is only a theoretical risk and that " no change in practice is

indicated, " Dr. Ewenstein said.

Vaccine manufacturers will probably not have to rederive their master seeds,

which representatives from Aventis said would result in an entirely new

vaccine and require the submission of a new New Drug Application. Both

committees unanimously agreed with chair of the Transmissible Spongiform

Encephalopathies committee Dr. Brown's suggestion that " it will not be

necessary to rederive master seeds. "

The committees also agreed that fetal calf serum sourced from the UK in the

mid-1980s used in master cell banks constitutes a negligible risk.

Furthermore, bovine materials sourced before 1980 are not of concern, the

committees agreed.

The FDA has been unwilling to name the manufacturers who have used materials

sourced from countries with a BSE risk, and Dr. G. Lurie of Public

Citizen's Health Research Group urged the agency to come forth with the

names of the manufacturers and the specific vaccines. Because the risk of

vCJD is only theoretical, it appears unlikely that the FDA will do this.

" At a minimum, there should be some sort of public apology from the FDA and

the manufacturers at fault, " Dr. Lurie said in an interview with Reuters

Health.

The FDA's Dr. Egan refused to comment to Reuters Health on this issue.

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Thanks

I wouldn't consider having RAI at all. I will look for the post on the weekend.

Excuse my ignorance but, what's

PSOC?

Cheers

Caroline

Hearn wrote:

> Hi Caroline, Welcome. Getting pregnat at 39 after RAI might not be as

> easy as you seem to believe. You might want to read 's emails she

> has PSOC.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Right on, . I've sent that diabetes vaccine article to you twice, and

both times my server has returned it a day later saying unable to send. So if

indeed it never made it in your mailbox, maybe Jody or someone can try

sending it. I think everyone is off camping with the long weekend.

[Guest guest]

Hi :

I'm here but brain is too melted to write. Had relapse and family all in

the same week.

[Guest guest]

It also helps with glaucoma, better than anything else. My mom use to smoke

it

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I'm here for the weekend too...along with my 4 yr old grandson

Which diabetes article are you looking for? The one from FEAT? Let me know

I probably still have it and will be happy to send it.

Jody

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Hi ,

I'm here but have just been reading and absorbing lately, as I've been very

busy with beginning school year for my kids, and a harvest festival I'm in

charge of food for. Perhaps it's selfish to just lurk, you are all such a

great group of people and I know I have things to contribute, but I am a bit

afraid I'm so anti traditional meddling medicine and pro alternative, that I

may become tiresome for some. While I can't do without my tapazole, my

bloodwork, my endo, I try to use a minimum of mainstream drugs and

treatments in my life.

I didn't even know there's a pro RAI board!

I have a real horror of radiation of any kind. My mom died of cancer of the

esophagus 40 years after treatment for thyroid cancer. I have a more than a

suspicion that the long term effects of radiation are extremely negative. My

mother in law also has major problems from over-radiation done for a uterine

" precancerous " condition, along with surgery. Now her digestive system is a

total wreck. My good friend's mom has the same problem, but even worse, had

to have a colostomy. And, one of my (acupuncturist) husband's now former

patients had her bowels totally dissolved by an accidental over-radiation

for colon cancer. She left two small children behind. I simply don't believe

the docs are a whole lot better in treating some stuff than the old

barber-surgeons were.

I could get into a real rant about some of the drugs out there that take you

out of self-control, the prozac/ritilin etc. But, I won't. Doesn't seem like

the forum for that.

Anyway, right now I'm stable, but with feeding 1000 people with all

volunteer help in 3 weeks, I may get so stressed that I have to up my

dosage. If any of you are near here (Piedmont, CA, in the SF Bay Area), come

to the festival 9/24, 11 AM-2PM with a Cajun band afterwards till 3:30.

Hopefully, you'll get a great, organic lunch and have a good time.

TerryP

>

> Organization: home

> Reply-To: graves_supportegroups

> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 20:09:30 -0600

> To: graves_supportegroups

> Subject: Graves

>

>

> Is anybody out there? There have been no messages in a couple of days

> and I have been forced to read the pro RAI board. It is so depressing.

> And I want to disagree with the drug discussion. There are good drugs

> out there that we cannot use. Take marijuana for instance. Nothing that

> humans have developed in the lab can compare to the help it gives cancer

> patients. Yet because of the profitabilty in prisons and law enforcement

> these poor souls are denied this herb.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

,

I have the FEAT article, but I cannot access the link on it either, I will

copy and paste what I have from the article, though you probably already

have this. You might want to write from FEAT and ask for another

access to the site.

It is sad about the other board, I have quit reading it because we have to

be so guarded in how we respond to others problems and pain and suffering.

I wanted to post that I finally found a dr. who does NOT do RAI anymore

unless it is the only option available and she said that is rare. But I

figured that it would just be pulled, I would be aggravated and it just

wouldn't be worth it.

Anyhow, here is the FEAT article from my letter.

Scientist Attributes Rise In Diabetes To Immunizaton/ Lofton Gone!

Also: * Attention Massachusetts Residents with Children with Autism

* New Kindergartner Was Just A Little Too Eager

[Massive Diabetes Epidemic in the United States Attributed to Large

Rise In Immunization Rates During the Clinton Administration, As Reported by

Classen Immunotherapies, Inc.]

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104 & STORY=/www/story/08-24-200\

0/0001297914 & EDATE=

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PRNewswire - Recently released data published in Diabetes Care shows

an epidemic of diabetes in the United States. A significant portion of this

is attributed to vaccines and the public is warned to avoid unnecessary or

frequent immunizations. Immunization rates have reached record levels during

the Clinton administration and explain the large rise in diabetes in many

groups. Data indicates that vaccines are likely to be a much more important

cause of severe (insulin dependent) diabetes than obesity; however many

cases of mild diabetes are also caused by vaccines and often develop into

the severe form of the disease.

Dr. J. Bart Classen, an immunologist at Classen Immunotherapies,

published data in the British Medical Journal (BMJ 1999;319:1133) following

up on a large clinical trial of the hemophilus vaccine. The data provides

strong proof of a causal relationship between vaccines and the development

of insulin dependent diabetes. The hemophilus vaccine has been incriminated

in causing over 58 cases of insulin dependent diabetes per 100,000 children

immunized in Finland, a 25% rise in the rate of diabetes after 7 years.

Dr. Classen presented data that the incidence of insulin dependent

diabetes rose 60% in New Zealand following a massive hepatitis B

immunization program. The CDC initiated a study to verify his findings. The

CDC's preliminary data has been published and shows hepatitis B immunization

when given starting after 8 weeks of age was associated with a 90% increase

in the risk of diabetes, supporting Classen's findings. Data from Italy,

which was presented in June at the American Diabetes Association meeting in

Texas, also supports a causal relationship between the hepatitis B vaccine

and diabetes.

Rates of insulin dependent diabetes are strikingly high in heavily

immunized members of the United States Navy. This data was presented at a

congressional hearing on October 12, 1999 pertaining to the vaccines in the

military. At the hearing Dr. Classen showed that the rates of insulin

dependent diabetes in people entering the navy were similar to civilian

controls of the same age, but after being in the navy for about 15 years the

rate of diabetes in sailors reached up to 5 times the rate in civilian

controls of the same age.

" The navy's own data on diabetes show that the rate of diabetes in

highly immunized sailors is much higher than less immunized civilian

controls, " says Classen. " The data indicates vaccines are likely a much more

important cause of diabetes than obesity because sailors are required to be

much more fit than the general public. " Classen implies that if obesity was

the more important cause of diabetes than the civilians would be expected to

have a higher rate of diabetes than the sailors. Dr. Classen's research has

been published in numerous journals and featured in national news reports.

For the latest information on the effects of vaccines on insulin dependent

diabetes and other autoimmune diseases visit the Vaccine Safety Website (

http://vaccines.net ).

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Columnist Lofton Gone

Hope this is it.

Jody

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[Guest guest]

Jody, yes it was the Feat one, and I'd also found it somewhere else. I'm not

sure why I'm having trouble getting it to .

[Guest guest]

Hey , are you on the graves-alt-searchegroups forum? I can't

remember who all is on it, but there's some activity going on there this

weekend too.

[Guest guest]

> Hi Gang thank you for answering me. I'm sorry I'm not depressed

just a

> little lonely. I am actually feeling quite well. What I found

depressing

> was the other board. There are so many people on there that are

having a

> terrible time. Yes, Jody I would like that article.

>

Dear ,

When you feel lonely and ant to meet other thyroid sufferers I would

rather suggest you to logg in Shomon's Forums instead

http://thyroid.about.com/health/thyroid/mpboards.htm

where you will find friendly people and good information.

It's a long time I do not recall at the pro-RAI BB as it depressed me

too. It hurts me to see that many people coming in there, trusting

they'll receive good advice, are lead to RAI in the same way as

calves are lead to slaughterhouse.

I cannot understand some " visible heads " there who after having gone

through several surgical operations for serious eye disease, are

still contributing to the BB's pro-RAI politics , in spite of they

say they wouldn't do RAI today.

Take care.

A.

[Guest guest]

Elaine,

I sent the FEAT letter to but I could not access the URL that was in

that letter. If you have the article or a different URL send it to my

private address and I will try forwarding it to okay?

Jody

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