Graves

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry,

Yep, I am in Western NY, and the weather has been gorgeous this first day of

spring, but the news was just on and said it is all going south by the

weekend.

It is a very small community I live in and there is no one near here that

does accupuncture. I have heard there is a homeopathic physcian in the area

but he/she must be the best kept secret in this narrow minded community

because I can't even get a name at this point.

I go up to Buffalo for my endo, but don't really want to look up in that

area, iti s quite a drive and even with hubby driving it, my stress levels

rise almost to the top.

I knew your hubby couldn't do it but just had to ask LOL.

Take care,

Jody

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Hi Jody-

Whew! What activity we have here. I haven't checked my email since

yesterday and now there's 50 messages on the computer. Hope you can find

this.

No. He wasn't joking about the sucking on lemons. I've had 2 other

dentists accuse me of that too. But I think they are talking about direct

contact, not the kind you'd get from having lemon juice in your water.

Take care,

Re: Graves

> ,

> Was your dr. joking about you sucking on lemons? I eat lemons and limes

> quite a bit, more in the summer time than winter...but I also use fresh

> lemon in my water and eat it when my water is gone. I am really curious

> about this. Thanks.

> Jody

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[Guest guest]

Hi Elaine-

Boy! I don't know but something strange sure is happening to my teeth and,

barring lemons, the dentist can't explain it.

Take care,

Re: Graves

> Hi ,

> Dr. Larsen in Solved:The Riddle of Illness talks about how slow we

> are to heal when we're hypo. Broda mentioned this too. My teeth are

> definitely worse since RAI and all this hypo business.

>

> I wonder if there is some process going on where your body is hunting for

> iodine and confusing fluoride, leaching it from your enamel. Or is it too

> much fluoride? My son has enamel loss and white deposits from excess

fluoride

> in our water supply along with all the fluoride treatments he got when he

was

> a kid. Live and learn, Elaine

>

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[Guest guest]

I totally believe that citrus acid can affect tooth enamel -- I just went

through a bout of uncontrollable orange eating . . . (yes, go ahead and

laugh) . . . I consumed up to 8 oranges a day, and after a couple of weeks,

really felt it in my teeth (besides smelling like Vitamin C). It was

tricky to brush because of the sensitivity. I've almost completely stopped

eating oranges now, and my teeth are much less sensitive.

At 03:12 PM 03/20/2001 -0800, you wrote:

>Hi Jody-

>

>Whew! What activity we have here. I haven't checked my email since

>yesterday and now there's 50 messages on the computer. Hope you can find

>this.

>

>No. He wasn't joking about the sucking on lemons. I've had 2 other

>dentists accuse me of that too. But I think they are talking about direct

>contact, not the kind you'd get from having lemon juice in your water.

>

>Take care,

>

>

> Re: Graves

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>

>> ,

>> Was your dr. joking about you sucking on lemons? I eat lemons and limes

>> quite a bit, more in the summer time than winter...but I also use fresh

>> lemon in my water and eat it when my water is gone. I am really curious

>> about this. Thanks.

>> Jody

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>intended to replace expert medical care.

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[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I wasn't really intending to take issue with . In fact, I messed up and

thought I was replying personally to Kate, rather than to the board.

I think the problem lies in obtaining a correct diagnosis and I agree with

what you said. Only about 80% of all cases of hyperthyroidism result from

Graves' disease. Other causes of hyperthyroidism include gene mutations,

thyroiditis, struma ovarii, as well as nutrient deficiencies. Several authors

mention that deficiencies of vitamins C and E and deficiencies of copper

(caused by excess zinc), and free fatty acid deficiencies can all cause

symptoms of hyperthyroidism. So people who have hyperthyroidism that's not

caused by GD, or is perhaps caused by a combination of GD and nutrient

deficiencies, will likely benefit from the supplement changes

recommends. I think though that, since symptoms in GD can progress, it's

important to have the proper antibody tests so one knows if their

hyperthyroidism is autoimmune or not. In the case of thyroiditis, which I

mentioned earlier, RIA or ATD's wouldn't help at all, nor would supplements.

The underlying infection would have to be dealt with. Sorry for the

confusion, Elaine.

[Guest guest]

Elaine,

My dentist, who's a dear (I've seen him for nearly 30 years now) was stumped

by what was happening in my mouth, so sent me to a periodontist to biopsy

the tissue. What they did with the tissue to determine what it was, I

couldn't tell you. I'm much better at describing how to make a sauce or a

cake or Easter dinner...

If you can't find the toothpaste where you are, I'll see if I can find a

mail order source through my husband, or if necessary I'll mail it.

Terry

> From: daisyelaine@...

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:16:26 EST

> To: graves_support

> Subject: Re: Graves

>

> Hi Terri,

> How interesting. Do you recall how they diagnosed your pemphigus disorder?

> There's an antibody test for the pemphigoid skin disorders, but I don't know

> much about the mucous membrane disorder. It sort of bothers me that I keep

> mentioning that I think I have mild Sjogren's--which causes lots of tooth and

> gum problems since there isn't sufficient saliva--and both my dentist and

> hygienist just look at me blankly and never comment. I'm going to a new doc

> this week and I think I'll ask for some tests to rule Sjogren's out...or

> confirm it. Just an update to let you know that my book on Graves' disease is

> now I'll also stop at the Chinese market and look for the toothpaste. Thanks

> for your insight.

>

>

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> intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

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[Guest guest]

Hi , the answer of the familial history of autoimmune diseases

might depend from whom you inherit the predisposition for autoimmune

disease. In genetics there is something called imprinting. For example

the hypocampus is inherited from your father and because the boys have

testosterone and not estrogen any predespostion might not be evident.

And yes my endo is doing research on stopping diabetes. While they were

doing a study on ramipril and metformin they noticed that those who had

several risk factors for diabetes did not develop it. There is another

big study underway at this time.

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry,

How interesting. I wonder what your periodontist concluded. I go for a

consultation tomorrow and I'm determined to say no when he mentions any

cutting. Do you have the name of the toothpaste handy? I can check when I'm

in town tomorrow.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

" By the way insulin resistance is

not necessarily the precondition of diabetes. "

No it's not, but there's a big number of insulin resistent patients that go

on to develop diabetes. I'm happy to not have 2 risk factors (insulin

resistance and genetics) but as said, I don't have any history of

autoimmune disease in my family either and I have an autoimmune disease.

They do think that they might be able to keep people from developing

diabetes by treating any associated problems before it develops. It remains

to be seen whether this will work or not and I sure don't know how you'd

design a study for it. To leave any condition untreated that they know that

they can help is unethical.

They're sure about the Graves' though for me. I still have proptosis (TED)

at 27 mm and that is down from 30 something which is caused by antibodies

(like the thyroid portion of the disease-or the pretibial myxodema).

One thing though, is what if there is more than one cause for the disease?

They acknowledge this for PCOS (where they have no idea at all what causes

it). PCOS is often hereditary but not always. For example, what if there

are 2 or 3 factors in conjunction that can cause Graves'? For example,

genetics, stress, illness, immune system hyperstimulation and

environment/diet might influence it. And if you have any combo of 2 or 3,

you can contract Graves'. That's another explanation of why it may run in

many of our families and in others it doesn't.

Take care,

[Guest guest]

The cutting was minimal, just a small tissue sample for biopsy. Didn't even

hurt and wasn't particularly any sorer than the rest of my mouth as it

healed. The toothpaste is called Jie Yin. It seems to be made by several

companies, I've even gotten Colgate once. Some of the tubes (like the one I

have now) have no English writing at all, but every one so far has been

white with blue writing on the box. Good luck finding it.

Terry

> From: daisyelaine@...

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:12:31 EST

> To: graves_support

> Subject: Re: Graves

>

> Hi Terry,

> How interesting. I wonder what your periodontist concluded. I go for a

> consultation tomorrow and I'm determined to say no when he mentions any

> cutting. Do you have the name of the toothpaste handy? I can check when I'm

> in town tomorrow.

>

>

> -------------------------------------

> The Graves' list is intended for informational purposes only and is not

> intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi -

I've never heard that the hippocampus is inherited from only fathers

before. I suppose that if some genes are found only on the Y

chromosome this might be so but hippocampus cells have all the

recombined DNA from both the father and the mother that other cells

have and a daughter couldn't have a Y chomosome. The only thing that

can be directly inherited only from one parent to their girls is

mitochondria from the mother (it goes to boys too). And that's

because sperm don't transfer them so all the mitochondria are from

the original egg which can only come from the women. And boys do have

estrogen too just not in the same ratio that women have. I suppose

if an X-linked trait is transferred from an affected male to his

daughter she would be affected, whereas, a boy would not because he

gets a Y chromosome from dad.

What is genetic imprinting? I've never heard that term before. The

only imprinting I've ever heard of is baby animals (birds in

particular) thinking that the first thing they see is their mother.

Doesn't mean there isn't such a thing, just that I've never heard of

it and I went to school a long time. Despite that, I sure don't know

everything about biology.

Where did you hear that about the hippocampus? Not questioning that

you did because I've read some things that I later found out were not

true. Who knows, maybe they've discovered something new about the

hippocampus.

I'm sorry for that repost. I'm having problems getting my email from

Graves'_support so I thought the original post got lost somewhere.

Had to go directly to yahoo.com to read your message.

That's wonderful that your endo is on the ball in his research.

Perhaps, this will stop the suffering that diabetes entails.

Take care,

> Hi , the answer of the familial history of autoimmune diseases

> might depend from whom you inherit the predisposition for autoimmune

> disease. In genetics there is something called imprinting. For

example

> the hypocampus is inherited from your father and because the boys

have

> testosterone and not estrogen any predespostion might not be

evident.

> And yes my endo is doing research on stopping diabetes. While they

were

> doing a study on ramipril and metformin they noticed that those who

had

> several risk factors for diabetes did not develop it. There is

another

> big study underway at this time.

[Guest guest]

You know . I got lost in the talk about X and Y chromosomes and

missed what I think you were trying to say. If autoimmune disease is

X-linked than it can be transferred by either the father or the

mother (depending on which was affected) to their daughter. The

father could not transfer it to his son but the mother could (The boy

gets an X only from mom). Take care,

> Hi , the answer of the familial history of autoimmune diseases

> might depend from whom you inherit the predisposition for autoimmune

> disease. In genetics there is something called imprinting. For

example

> the hypocampus is inherited from your father and because the boys

have

> testosterone and not estrogen any predespostion might not be

evident.

> And yes my endo is doing research on stopping diabetes. While they

were

> doing a study on ramipril and metformin they noticed that those who

had

> several risk factors for diabetes did not develop it. There is

another

> big study underway at this time.

[Guest guest]

, I will send you a better explanation. I msut go to work. Yes

imprinting is a very strange concept but it is the new genetics.