Re: High Fat Diet/ and everyone

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Amazing that our food can be so damaged yet FDA approved!

-- Re: High Fat Diet/ and everyone

It's the homogenization that screws up the fat in milk. The combination of

pastuerization

and homogenization render milk into basically a dead, enzymeless food that

is in essence an

allergen. It's one of the major causes of asthma, dietary reactions,

arthritis, IBS & other gut

problems, diabetes, and many other problems.

Linn

>

> I also heard in a debate on TV regarding pasteurization vs raw, that

> pasteurization cause the fat particles to break into too small of size,

> which destroys the value of the milk and makes it an allergen entering the

> body much like you are stating the below. It could be the protein that is

> broken down too small but if I recall correctly, it is the fat.

>

> -------Original Message-------

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I did not understand your sentence about the low fat diet being a joke (I

agree) and if you were connecting ketosis with low fat or Atkins.

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>

> My Broda books doesn't recommend margerine - he talks about how good

butter is. ?????

Didn't your diet recommend:

" Veggies with butter or oleo "

Isn't oleo margarine?

>

> I could give you a handful of links discounting your views on

saturated fats, but that's why

> this world is a democracy. All that matters is what works for you in

the long haul.

This statement I agree with completely. Everyone seems to have an

opinion on which diet is the best, but everyone seems to keep trying

different diets and then gaining everything back. My OPINION is that

low fat diets were the biggest joke perpetrated on the American public,

followed only by the Atkins diet. Doesn't common sense tell you that

something like ketosis is bad?

My knowledge of what works for losing weight is based on experimenting

with my husband, who was 215 lbs but is now 155, and has kept the

weight off for 5 years. I only had 30 lbs to lose and was never

considered that heavy. (Course, just changing from Synthroid to Armour

might have had a lot to do with my excess weight coming off.) He,

however, was fat. Everyone says EXERCISE! Well he'd go for walks

after work every night, and every year, he was a fatter guy walking

around the block! But he was very much a carb addict.

So then I read everything I could on diet: Ornish (no fat--nope,

triglycerides went through the roof); Atkins (high protein--nope, we

both gained weight); Zone (combo of everything--too hard to follow

trying to figure out " food blocks " ); Shintani (vegetarian--great

recipes and we did lose some weight mostly cause it's low cal); and

finally Dr. Weil (just eat moderate portions of everything--protein,

carbs, and fat, and dump the processed foods).

Just by avoiding most processed foods and especially anything with high

fructose corn syrup, we have been able to maintain our optimum

weights. I only used " real " food like sugar instead of aspartame or

sweet & lo, butter instead of margarine, and nothing with food colors

or preservatives since they give me hives.

However, we both got adrenal fatigue in May of this year and are using

the Rosedale diet not so much to lose weight, but to keep our

prediabetes/hypoglycemia under control and hopefully, not turn into

diabetes. Severely cutting the carbs has been helpful, as

recommended. Before, we'd eat ice cream occasionally and had a carb

like rice or pasta or bread with our meals. As long as we ate " real

food, " and lots of fiber from fruits, veggies, whole grains, beans, and

nuts, the weight did not creep back up.

So, good luck to all out there trying to lose weight, however you

choose to do it. It can be done.

Barb

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I don't like chicken either. I can tolerate it. I know what you mean about

not a lot of choice and meats that are organic being expensive.

I found a stew meat that is lamb at Whole Foods and it is not expensive. I

like shrimp but do like a steak now and then.

I don't have to regulate the Broda diet much anymore. It seemed to really

reduce my appetite so I have not eaten out as much or been hungry. That is

really strange for me.

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> and everyone

>

> I figure if I don't lose weight by 4 weeks then I

> will try but you

> may be right about the diet industry affecting but

> bacon and heavy cream

> still has chemicals in them. I will keep you all

> posted of my progress!

>

>

>

> jigscam wrote:

> I did Atkins for several months to the T. Rosedale

> is like every

> other low carb diet. You shouldn't be scared of

> saturated fats. There

> is no reason to be. That's the diet industry

> effecting you.

>

> SAMMIE

>

>

> >

> > I don't like saturated fats so I am going to try

> the Rosedal diet

> first. How long were you on his diet and were you

> strict with it?

> >

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Hum well I just read the Rosedale book and it said avoid cottage cheese

while Broda said use it. I did not even realize that cottage cheese was

high in carbs but I avoid the low fat stuff and I like it with fruit.

You sound a bit hypo..................

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What am I missing? I didn't think he said anything about cottage

cheese. I thought most peeps were down on it since it's high in

carbs. Probably best to get the regular kind (not low or fat free)

correct?

I'm a bit of a brain fog lately. I'm not sure what I'm reacting too.

Hands swelling........lips swollen..........

maybe too much sea salt?? I bumped from 1 - 2 teaspoons.

SAMMIE

>

> Yes, Broda recommends cottege cheese but I think Rosedale does not

like it

> due to its sugar content. Don't quote me but that is what I

recall. So

> diet may have more hidden carbs thus you may avoid the

withdrawals

> from sugar.

>

> -------Original Message-------

>

>

[Guest guest]

We have the lobbyists to thank for that!!

Linn

>

> Amazing that our food can be so damaged yet FDA approved!

>

> -- Re: High Fat Diet/ and everyone

>

> It's the homogenization that screws up the fat in milk. The combination of

> pastuerization

> and homogenization render milk into basically a dead, enzymeless food that

> is in essence an

> allergen. It's one of the major causes of asthma, dietary reactions,

> arthritis, IBS & other gut

> problems, diabetes, and many other problems.

>

> Linn

[Guest guest]

Where does it say to eat cottage cheese in Broda? I never saw

that.....

SAMMIE

> >

> > Yes, Broda recommends cottege cheese but I think Rosedale does

not

> like it

> > due to its sugar content. Don't quote me but that is what I

> recall. So

> > diet may have more hidden carbs thus you may avoid the

> withdrawals

> > from sugar.

> >

> > -------Original Message-------

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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- Broda's diet is sure a strange one. I use to have a tremendous appetite

but now that I'm hypo, I eat 2 meals a day instead of 4. It's great to hear that

this diet is working so well for you so far. I'm hoping you continue to lose

lots!

" C. Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote: I don't like

chicken either. I can tolerate it. I know what you mean about

not a lot of choice and meats that are organic being expensive.

I found a stew meat that is lamb at Whole Foods and it is not expensive. I

like shrimp but do like a steak now and then.

I don't have to regulate the Broda diet much anymore. It seemed to really

reduce my appetite so I have not eaten out as much or been hungry. That is

really strange for me.

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> and everyone

>

> I figure if I don't lose weight by 4 weeks then I

> will try but you

> may be right about the diet industry affecting but

> bacon and heavy cream

> still has chemicals in them. I will keep you all

> posted of my progress!

>

>

>

> jigscam wrote:

> I did Atkins for several months to the T. Rosedale

> is like every

> other low carb diet. You shouldn't be scared of

> saturated fats. There

> is no reason to be. That's the diet industry

> effecting you.

>

> SAMMIE

>

>

> >

> > I don't like saturated fats so I am going to try

> the Rosedal diet

> first. How long were you on his diet and were you

> strict with it?

> >

> >

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Thanks . I went back on carbs and I need to cut down on them but I

lost another pound even adding carbs. I think since adding carbs I have

actually been busier at work so the weight loss now if probably due to no

time to eat.

I was just happy to get that first 10 lbs off with that jumpstart!

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> and everyone

>

> I figure if I don't lose weight by 4 weeks then I

> will try but you

> may be right about the diet industry affecting but

> bacon and heavy cream

> still has chemicals in them. I will keep you all

> posted of my progress!

>

>

>

> jigscam wrote:

> I did Atkins for several months to the T. Rosedale

> is like every

> other low carb diet. You shouldn't be scared of

> saturated fats. There

> is no reason to be. That's the diet industry

> effecting you.

>

> SAMMIE

>

>

> >

> > I don't like saturated fats so I am going to try

> the Rosedal diet

> first. How long were you on his diet and were you

> strict with it?

> >

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Sammie:

My mom has Broda's book right now. I must have read cottage cheese since I

started buying it after I read the book. When I get the book back from mom

I will look again. But I also recall someone, Rosedale I thought, saying to

avoid cottage cheese due to sugar content.

Do you have the book? Is it not listed as one of the cheeses?

It is possible that he edited it. I just looked on Amazon and the cover is

different. My copy is actually the 1976 first edition copy so maybe he

removed cottege cheese? Now you got me wondering.

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Where does it say to eat cottage cheese in Broda? I never saw

that.....

SAMMIE

> >

> > Yes, Broda recommends cottege cheese but I think Rosedale does

not

> like it

> > due to its sugar content. Don't quote me but that is what I

> recall. So

> > diet may have more hidden carbs thus you may avoid the

> withdrawals

> > from sugar.

> >

> > -------Original Message-------

> >

> >

>

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While I was looking on the net for I found this:

Dr Broda (mentioned earlier for his studies of heart disease)

ascribes the association of high protein diet with cancer as being due

mainly to hypothyroidism brought about by the demands of protein metabolism

upon the thyroid. (See Hypothyroidism. )

http://www.purlife.com/cancerdiet.htm

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Where does it say to eat cottage cheese in Broda? I never saw

that.....

SAMMIE

> >

> > Yes, Broda recommends cottege cheese but I think Rosedale does

not

> like it

> > due to its sugar content. Don't quote me but that is what I

> recall. So

> > diet may have more hidden carbs thus you may avoid the

> withdrawals

> > from sugar.

> >

> > -------Original Message-------

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gee Wizz!!!

I have to admit that I LOVE a juicy Rib-Eye Steak. LOL

Lamb??? I am from Texas, what is Lamb?

Gale

> > >

> > > I don't like saturated fats so I am going to try

> > the Rosedal diet

> > first. How long were you on his diet and were you

> > strict with it?

> > >

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What I read about proteins in milk is that the body is not often able

to break down milk protein itself, caesin, but that goat milk was

more like human milk and easeir to digest. The proteins that don't

get digested go into the blood and your body tries to attack them as

foreign matter, hence the congestion, eczema, etc. I found I tolerate

any dairy much better if I take enzymes specific to breaking down

protein.

But yes, I have also read that paturization and homogenization ruins

the fat and makes them bad for us. I don't remember if it was too

small, or just that it damaged them in some way that made them

unhealthy.

It's good there was a TV debate. I think more and more people are

becoming aware that all this altered and destroyed " food " is just not

good for us!!

I saw an article that was trying bash organic and it really angered

me because I'm sure the truth is that the non-organic, non-free

range, really hate how popular organic, raw and free-range is

becoming. I hope that brings the prices down eventually.

Kathleen

>

> I also heard in a debate on TV regarding pasteurization vs raw, that

> pasteurization cause the fat particles to break into too small of

size,

> which destroys the value of the milk and makes it an allergen

entering the

> body much like you are stating the below. It could be the protein

that is

> broken down too small but if I recall correctly, it is the fat.

>

[Guest guest]

My doctor told me to avoid artificial sweetners because they trick the

brain. He didn't elaborate (and I didn't ask because I decided to just

try to cut them), but I assume he meant they could also lead to an

insulin release. I can't say I ever gained weight on them, but I CAN

say they do cause me to crave carbs and sweet tasting things, real or

artificial. I stopped them cold turkey and in 2 weeks, my cravings were

gone, but it's SO easy to get sucked back into them! GRHH.

Kathleen

>

> Hi Barb.

>

> I am one of those people, who didn't know that artificial sweetners

> led to weight gain. I do eat no sugar ice cream with Splenda. Can

> you enlighten me about the link with a sweetner like Splenda and

> weight gain?

>

> Holly

>

[Guest guest]

I am from Texas too and I buy my Lamb in Houston at Whole Foods. I hate

the thought of eating animals anyway and lamb is worse cause they are so

cute and sweet,however, it is very good meat.

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Gee Wizz!!!

I have to admit that I LOVE a juicy Rib-Eye Steak. LOL

Lamb??? I am from Texas, what is Lamb?

Gale

> > >

> > > I don't like saturated fats so I am going to try

> > the Rosedal diet

> > first. How long were you on his diet and were you

> > strict with it?

> > >

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Here's an interesting link. Mentions that high consumption of

aspartame can cause Grave's. I was diagnosed with Grave's in 1993,

and it's possible I was drinking a lot of diet drinks at that time.

Hmmm. Anyway, natural is always better. I'd dump any unnatural

sweeteners, including high fructose corn syrup. It's in everything,

even bread!

http://www.splendaexposed.com/

Granted, ice cream isn't exactly a health food, but when I did eat

it, I just bought the full fat, regular sugar stuff. Pure stuff like

Ben & Jerry's satisfied me with just a couple of tablespoons, whereas

I'd have two bowls of the lowfat stuff before I was satisfied.

>

> Hi Barb.

>

> I am one of those people, who didn't know that artificial sweetners

> led to weight gain. I do eat no sugar ice cream with Splenda. Can

> you enlighten me about the link with a sweetner like Splenda and

> weight gain?

>

> Holly

>

[Guest guest]

This is interesting, but does this mean aspartame poisoning cause Grave's

antibodies to

appear? Or just an overactive thyroid? One can have an overactive thyroid

without having

Grave's.

Did I mention I have Grave's, but have always been subclinically HypoT.

Always.

SAMMIE

>

> I read about the aspartame/Grave's connection in Shomon's new book

" Living Well

with Grave's Disease and Hyperthyroidism " . There's a story about a woman in

this book

who had been diagnosed with Grave's but says she actually had aspartame

poisoning and

that the symptoms are very, very similar.

>

> Does anyone know if saccharin could possibly affect someone this way too?

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

[Guest guest]

I had read that saccharin was less toxic than aspartame. Back when I taught

college chem, I assigned the students to do a research project on aspartame

(1990ish) and there was so little published research that the danger was not

obvious even with extensive research into publications.

I am glad that now there is info on the toxicity.

Are you wanting to use saccharin? I have a cactus nectar that is used for

sweetening that I got at a health food store and there is always stevia.

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I read about the aspartame/Grave's connection in Shomon's new book

Living Well with Grave's Disease and Hyperthyroidism " . There's a story about

a woman in this book who had been diagnosed with Grave's but says she

actually had aspartame poisoning and that the symptoms are very, very

similar.

Does anyone know if saccharin could possibly affect someone this way too?

Re: High Fat Diet/ and everyone

Here's an interesting link. Mentions that high consumption of

aspartame can cause Grave's. I was diagnosed with Grave's in 1993,

and it's possible I was drinking a lot of diet drinks at that time.

Hmmm. Anyway, natural is always better. I'd dump any unnatural

sweeteners, including high fructose corn syrup. It's in everything,

even bread!

http://www.splendaexposed.com/

Granted, ice cream isn't exactly a health food, but when I did eat

it, I just bought the full fat, regular sugar stuff. Pure stuff like

Ben & Jerry's satisfied me with just a couple of tablespoons, whereas

I'd have two bowls of the lowfat stuff before I was satisfied.

>

> Hi Barb.

>

> I am one of those people, who didn't know that artificial sweetners

> led to weight gain. I do eat no sugar ice cream with Splenda. Can

> you enlighten me about the link with a sweetner like Splenda and

> weight gain?

>

> Holly

>

[Guest guest]

Wonder what the difference is between us? I did strict Atkins induction,

basically the same diet you described, same foods. In 2.5 months I lost

only around 10 to 12 lbs. And I never lost my carb cravings, so

eventually I could not stick with it.

The next time I did low carb, I did a much more liberal version, and

lost 8 lbs in 9 months. Not terribly impressive, but I did lose, still

couldn't stick with it though. Again, never lost cravings for sugar and

bread, etc.

sol

Gikas wrote:

> The first time I did this [low carb] diet I lost 40 lbs. in 2 months.

>

>

[Guest guest]

My diet is very similar. The only difference I see is I use heavy whipping

cream in my coffee and salads and I do have to have fruits. I love fruit

almost more than my old bread/candy addictions. I also eat ice cream.

I think getting off that 10 lbs, having been on T3 since March, using HC

when I feel I need it, has helped me get the weight down, of course in

addition to that high fat diet. Before that I was getting fatter and fatter

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Gikas wrote:

> This low carb diet is the only diet I have ever lost weight on. If you

stick to it and don't cheat at all, the weight usually melts right off and

pretty fast too.

>

> As far as I am concerned, we are a carb laden society and I think the

carbs are responsible for most of the obesity in this country.

>

> The other thing I like about this way of eating is that you can eat as

much as you want and never have to deprive yourself. The first time I did

this diet I lost 40 lbs. in 2 months.

>

> I eat the following unlimited:

>

> Fish

> Chicken

> Beef

> Turkey

> Pork (But I don't like pork)

> Eggs

> Cheese (I limit cheese to goat cheese)

> but a couple of slices or cubes each day of any cheese is fine

>

> Fats unlimited:

>

> Mayo (I buy it from the health food store)

> olive oil

> Butter

>

> All low starch veggies

>

> Nuts (for snacks) but you must limit these due to carb content. Peanuts

and macadamias, walnuts, almonds, cashews.

>

> I eat no fruit

> no sugar or foods that contain sugar

> I use sweet and low in coffee but you can use stevia if you like

> Aspartame is very BAD for us

>

> Some people can eat a bit of whole grain each day, e.g. 1 slice whole

grain bread

> or 1 small cup whole grain cereal.

>

> Cream is better than milk on this diet because it's lower in carbs. I use

half and half.

>

> When I get hungry and want to snack at night, I eat a bowl of chicken

salad, egg salad, tuna salad, etc. with chopped celery and onions and I have

some tomato or pickles with it.

>

> During the day for snacks, I grab cheese, nuts, carrots, celery, etc.

>

> Turkey slices are a good snack.

>

> Chicken drumsticks are a good snack.

>

> Watch out for coatings of white flour.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

> Hi ,

>

> I got the Broda book yesterday and read the chapter on diet

> first. The book seems pretty interesting anyways.

>

> I'm so fascinated with this because I realize that it's the only

> diet I've never tried. And why would I? We've been conditioned to

> think fat was bad. I've been thinking back to years ago when I was

> doing a diet high in carbs, low fat and high protein. I was running

> 5 miles a week and lifting weights every other day. I barely lost 5

> pounds in 8 months. I can't tell you how frustrating it was. And I

> think this is when my likely already low thyroid got worse. I

> couldn't understand why I would have high cholesterol when doing

> this while also consiering my exercising regime.

>

> I'm a bit confused by his percentages groupings of carbs. (5/15/20

> % groupings) It would seem the 5% group is the one you can have

> more of - correct, as they are lower in carbs? But then avocados

> are 5%, but said to be eaten sparingly. I'm confused.

>

> Are you following the diet?

>

> SAMMIE

>

>

> >

> > Sammie:

> >

> > Now you are talking my language!! I totally agree with your point

> about

> > cavemen and diet. Do you have the Broda book? He has a

> chapter on

> > high fat diet and he says the same thing.

> >

> > I never stopped eating eggs as often as I want and when my

> cholesterol went

> > up due to the pill, my doctor said that was not linked to the

> pill. So I

> > stopped eating bacon and eggs, went vegetarian. Guess what, my

> cholesterol

> > went up and up.

> >

> > So now I realize the bad guy is refined sugar. Eating natural

> foods that

> > our ancestors makes sense to me.

> >

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[Guest guest]

Isn't Atkins higher protein, which requires higher thyroid levels? Maybe

dropping some protein and adding some more fats might help. What about

switching from half and half to heavy whipping cream? When I first started

the high fat diet I did not see how I could do without bread cause I buy

that nice baked stuff at Whole Foods, chala or cherry bread or nut breads,

etc. I love potatoes as well.

When I got the terrible carb craving I made heavy whipping cream drink with

vanilla and cinammon and sipped on it. Broda says to add a raw egg to it

which I did at times. That did help.

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Wonder what the difference is between us? I did strict Atkins induction,

basically the same diet you described, same foods. In 2.5 months I lost

only around 10 to 12 lbs. And I never lost my carb cravings, so

eventually I could not stick with it.

The next time I did low carb, I did a much more liberal version, and

lost 8 lbs in 9 months. Not terribly impressive, but I did lose, still

couldn't stick with it though. Again, never lost cravings for sugar and

bread, etc.

sol

Gikas wrote:

> The first time I did this [low carb] diet I lost 40 lbs. in 2 months.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think those that have a better functioning thyroid would respond better to

high protien/

low carb. I also didn't lose much more than a few pounds of water weight with

Atkins,

while even exercising quite a bit. Hopefully this is just because it was before

I knew I had

a thyroid/adrenal problem.

I've started Broda's diet today. I'm going to be fairly liberal with it this

week and go full

course next week to get used to low carb which I ALWAYS struggle with. Maybe

eating

more fats will help.

SAMMIE

> > The first time I did this [low carb] diet I lost 40 lbs. in 2 months.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sol, here is a short list of things you can try to lose weight.

1. Read labels and if it contains artificial sweeteners like high

fructose corn syrup, aspartame, Splenda, sucralose or any artificial

colors, don't eat it. Notice I did not say you couldn't eat real

sugar. But do minimize your intake. A good example is spaghetti

sauce; some brands have high fructose corn syrup, others plain

sugar.

2. You cannot eat unlimited protein. I believe that is where the

fault lies with Atkins' diet. The grams of protein you should eat

per day should equal one-half your desired weight. If you want to

weigh 120 lbs, eat only 60 grams of protein per day. 180 lbs your

goal? Then eat 90 grams. The rest can be made up of good fats and

non-starchy carbs, like nuts, seeds, olives, avocados, veggies, some

fruit. You can eat all you want of these.

3. Minimize white flour carb intake: pasta, white bread, etc.

4. Listen to your body. Eat when you're hungry. Stop when you're

full.

5. Eat as much fiber as possible. In other words choose the high

fiber, whole grain bread over white.

6. Eliminate as much as possible all processed foods. Stick with

food in its natural state. There is no such thing as a cookie or

potato chip tree.

7. Have protein, carbs, fat, and fiber at each meal.

8. Minimize your dairy intake. Use cheese sparingly to flavor food,

not as a major food source.

Exercise alone will NOT work. You must change your diet. In fact,

you should lose weight just following the suggestions above with no

exercise.

Barb

> > The first time I did this [low carb] diet I lost 40 lbs. in 2

months.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I craved carbs MORE on Atkins, I swear, and couldn't stay on it,

either. But then, it's really an unnatural way to eat.

I think the carb craving may because you need some carbs to make

seratonin, so not eating ANY might actually increase carb cravings! I

do much better just eliminating refined carbs and sticking to berries

(low carb), veggies and a small amount of whole grain, like 1 slice

Ezekiel bread of old fashioned oatmeal.

Kathleen

>

> Wonder what the difference is between us? I did strict Atkins

induction,

> basically the same diet you described, same foods. In 2.5 months I

lost

> only around 10 to 12 lbs. And I never lost my carb cravings, so

> eventually I could not stick with it.

[Guest guest]

This sounds quite yummy, actually! Will have to try it. I get raw

(heavy) cream that is to DIE for!

>

> When I got the terrible carb craving I made heavy whipping cream

drink with

> vanilla and cinammon and sipped on it. Broda says to add a raw egg

to it

> which I did at times. That did help.

>

[Guest guest]

I think that is true. The Metabolic Typing Diet Book says you can get

the same cravings from either too many carbs or too few. The devil is in

the details though. Trying to find one's best balance is not easy. I've

been trying for the past year. I lack patience, and there are so many

variables, which carbs, and at what time of day..........I'm finding I

do better with no carbs in the am, little to none at lunch, and some

little higher carb veg at dinner. I do not do well with fruit at all,

unless eaten with protein and fat. Otherwise, my blood sugar goes nuts.

I do know I personally need lots of protein, I get much worse when I cut

back on protein, either deliberately or if just get sick of my safe foods.

sol

keickholt13 wrote:

> I craved carbs MORE on Atkins, I swear, and couldn't stay on it,

> either. But then, it's really an unnatural way to eat.

>

> I think the carb craving may because you need some carbs to make

> seratonin, so not eating ANY might actually increase carb cravings! I

>