Re: High Fat Diet/ and everyone

[Guest guest]

My Broda books doesn't recommend margerine - he talks about how good butter is.

?????

However, 40 years ago everyone said margerine was better. I've done every other

low carb

diet too.

I never said Rosedale is Atkins, I said it was like every other low carb book

out there -

probably most similar to Dr. Oz's.

Yes, yes - ORGANIC is better as even Val talks about being able to go off

progesterone

once she switched to organic foods. I wish there were more organic restaurants

as going

out is a big deal for me.

I could give you a handful of links discounting your views on saturated fats,

but that's why

this world is a democracy. All that matters is what works for you in the long

haul.

SAMMIE

> > >

> > > I don't like saturated fats so I am going to try the Rosedal diet

> > first. How long were you on his diet and were you strict with it?

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

So, when you were doing high protein you were on even less T3 meds than when you

did

the high fat diet?

What were your symptoms?

Maybe I'll wait until I switch over to just T3 meds before starting the diet

full-time. I have

a lot of weight to lose though, so maybe you and I are different in that regard.

SAMMIE

> >

> > This low carb diet is the only diet I have ever lost weight on.

> If you stick to it and don't cheat at all, the weight usually melts

> right off and pretty fast too.

> >

> > As far as I am concerned, we are a carb laden society and I think

> the carbs are responsible for most of the obesity in this country.

> >

> > The other thing I like about this way of eating is that you can

> eat as much as you want and never have to deprive yourself. The

> first time I did this diet I lost 40 lbs. in 2 months.

> >

> > I eat the following unlimited:

> >

> > Fish

> > Chicken

> > Beef

> > Turkey

> > Pork (But I don't like pork)

> > Eggs

> > Cheese (I limit cheese to goat cheese)

> > but a couple of slices or cubes each day of any cheese is fine

> >

> > Fats unlimited:

> >

> > Mayo (I buy it from the health food store)

> > olive oil

> > Butter

> >

> > All low starch veggies

> >

> > Nuts (for snacks) but you must limit these due to carb content.

> Peanuts and macadamias, walnuts, almonds, cashews.

> >

> > I eat no fruit

> > no sugar or foods that contain sugar

> > I use sweet and low in coffee but you can use stevia if you like

> > Aspartame is very BAD for us

> >

> > Some people can eat a bit of whole grain each day, e.g. 1 slice

> whole grain bread

> > or 1 small cup whole grain cereal.

> >

> > Cream is better than milk on this diet because it's lower in

> carbs. I use half and half.

> >

> > When I get hungry and want to snack at night, I eat a bowl of

> chicken salad, egg salad, tuna salad, etc. with chopped celery and

> onions and I have some tomato or pickles with it.

> >

> > During the day for snacks, I grab cheese, nuts, carrots, celery,

> etc.

> >

> > Turkey slices are a good snack.

> >

> > Chicken drumsticks are a good snack.

> >

> > Watch out for coatings of white flour.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had the same constipation problem on Atkins. I think I went well over a week

and was

worried. Benefiber is a good fiber supplement, and my holistic doc recommended

it. The

powder form is odorless/tasteless etc. The headaches from carb withdrawl was

brutal too.

I think that can often be a candida symptom. Good thing about the Broda

diet is

that you don't go into ketosis and you are to eat 50grams of carbs at least.

That might

help as it's more than the recommended 20 grams Atkins recommends. I do think

it's

better for some to slowly cut back on carbs instead of going cold-turkey

overnight.

Ugh. I'm not looking forward to that.

SAMMIE

>

> What do you do for constipatio? I only lasted 9 days on Atkins. I thought I

would

explode and the headache was terrible. I must confess I don't like red meat and

I guess I

would eat just chicken and fish. I do eat grains and I guess that is bad for us

for losing

weitht. I try to stay away from the carbs as much as I can.

>

> I just bought another book on low carb and is better than Atkins so maybe I

can do

that one. I just this illness. I have had to give up so much since I got it.

>

>

>

> Bertha

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Pastuerized, homogonized milk IS full of hormones and not so good stuff and has

been altered. If you can get RAW milk from a reputable source, such as a

certified farm, then it is great stuff - full of enzymes and good bacteria, and

the lactose hasn't been altered during processing, so it isn't a problem. The

farmers market in our park has a family that sell organics and the mom was

telling me that her daughter couldn't drink milk at all. Then her husband bought

her a cow and they milk it and refrigerate it and her daughter can drink it with

no problems, although she still can't drink milk from the grocery store.

C.

[Guest guest]

Is this an old book? Where do I find it? Amazon or what? Was it back in the

70's?

Thanks,

Tammy

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I would disagree with this. Good healthy forms of saturated fats such as

coconut oil do

not increase insulin resistance. The proper kind of saturated fat is vital to

the functioning

of your body, hormones, etc. My daughter is a Type 1 diabetic and we do not

skimp on

good saturated fats for her. She eats bacon, but organic without nitrates.

Here are two

excellent links regarading fats by a couple of the most expert leading

authorities on fats

you could hope to find. The first one has references to the studies used for

the insulin

resistance articles.

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/type-2-diabetes.html

Many excellent articles on fat here:

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html

Linn

> > >

> > > I don't like saturated fats so I am going to try the Rosedal diet

> > first. How long were you on his diet and were you strict with it?

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

1976

Hypothyroidism: The Unsuspected Illness by Broda

http://www.amazon.com/Hypothyroidism-Unsuspected-Illness-Broda-/dp/

069001029X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-9312130-4932709?

ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1189138570 & sr=8-1

>

> Is this an old book? Where do I find it? Amazon or what? Was it back in the

70's?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Tammy

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

I buy organic, free-range food, so it is possible to get bacon without

nitrites. I also buy organic, free-range milk and cheese, and have it

shipped to me from California, so I think it is clean. Granted, it is

much harder to try to get " clean " animal food -- or produce for that

matter, but I think it is worth it if you can.

I don't think they knew margarine was bad for you back then, although

given his recs, you think he would have suggested plain butter anyway.

Have you ever read the Schwarzbein principle? It makes sense, but I

just gain weight if I eat all that fat. Believe me, I do not get

satieted with fat like so many books claim will happen. I could easily

eat 3 blocks a day plus all the protein!! I am afraid of fat,

though. I eat fat every day, just no trans fat or denatured fats, like

corn oil and crap like that.

Kathleen

> Also, bacon is full of nitrites, a known carcinogen. I don't know if

> that was common knowledge when Broda wrote his recommended

diet

> back in the 70s. He also recommended margarine, which we know today

is

> not good for you. Also, any toxins an animal eats are stored in its

> fat. If it was exposed to pesticides, that's where they go, and you

> would then consume them too. Today's meat is not like the free-

> roaming, grass-eating animals the cavemen ate. They were not that

> fatty because they got exercise. Unless you go organic or eat fresh

> game type meats, they are caged, fed corn to fatten them, and may be

> given antibiotics and hormones.

[Guest guest]

That is great that you have access to raw goat milk!

I think pasturization kills the enzymes that are naturally present

when it's raw to help you digest the dairy proteins. I have to take a

lot of enzymes to digest dairy, even raw, although the raw is much

easier for me and doesn't give me phlegm so much or congestion

anymore.

What else happens in commercial milk, the ones that are pasturized to

kill all the bacteria (as opposed to just keeping the place cleaner),

is that paturization breaks down the bacteria walls and your body

releases histimines in response to the dead bacteria. I can't

remember where I read that, but it makes sense. Plus, I was never

fond of drinking pus!

>

> I have a friend here who raises goats and sells raw milk. She

said the pasteurization alters enzymes in milk and that is what

causes all the allergic reactions like phlegm.

>

> I haven't tried to find a place close buy with raw cows milk.

They do have them near here but I love her goat's milk. She must

know what she is doing as a lot of people prefer her goat milk over

others in the area.

>

> I made a wonder yougurt using her raw goat milk. I loved it too

much and ate too much of it too often and it really stirred

up " toxins " from my Candida problems. I think that is what

happen. I know I was one sick bunny who spent a lot of time hopping

to the bathroom.

>

>

>

>

> Re: High Fat Diet/ and everyone

>

>

> Pastuerized, homogonized milk IS full of hormones and not so good

stuff and has been altered. If you can get RAW milk from a reputable

source, such as a certified farm, then it is great stuff - full of

enzymes and good bacteria, and the lactose hasn't been altered during

processing, so it isn't a problem. The farmers market in our park has

a family that sell organics and the mom was telling me that her

daughter couldn't drink milk at all. Then her husband bought her a

cow and they milk it and refrigerate it and her daughter can drink it

with no problems, although she still can't drink milk from the

grocery store.

>

> C.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I also heard in a debate on TV regarding pasteurization vs raw, that

pasteurization cause the fat particles to break into too small of size,

which destroys the value of the milk and makes it an allergen entering the

body much like you are stating the below. It could be the protein that is

broken down too small but if I recall correctly, it is the fat.

-- Re: High Fat Diet/ and everyone

That is great that you have access to raw goat milk!

I think pasturization kills the enzymes that are naturally present

when it's raw to help you digest the dairy proteins. I have to take a

lot of enzymes to digest dairy, even raw, although the raw is much

easier for me and doesn't give me phlegm so much or congestion

anymore.

What else happens in commercial milk, the ones that are pasturized to

kill all the bacteria (as opposed to just keeping the place cleaner),

is that paturization breaks down the bacteria walls and your body

releases histimines in response to the dead bacteria. I can't

remember where I read that, but it makes sense. Plus, I was never

fond of drinking pus!

>

> I have a friend here who raises goats and sells raw milk. She

said the pasteurization alters enzymes in milk and that is what

causes all the allergic reactions like phlegm.

>

> I haven't tried to find a place close buy with raw cows milk.

They do have them near here but I love her goat's milk. She must

know what she is doing as a lot of people prefer her goat milk over

others in the area.

>

> I made a wonder yougurt using her raw goat milk. I loved it too

much and ate too much of it too often and it really stirred

up " toxins " from my Candida problems. I think that is what

happen. I know I was one sick bunny who spent a lot of time hopping

to the bathroom.

>

>

>

>

> Re: High Fat Diet/ and everyone

>

>

> Pastuerized, homogonized milk IS full of hormones and not so good

stuff and has been altered. If you can get RAW milk from a reputable

source, such as a certified farm, then it is great stuff - full of

enzymes and good bacteria, and the lactose hasn't been altered during

processing, so it isn't a problem. The farmers market in our park has

a family that sell organics and the mom was telling me that her

daughter couldn't drink milk at all. Then her husband bought her a

cow and they milk it and refrigerate it and her daughter can drink it

with no problems, although she still can't drink milk from the

grocery store.

>

> C.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes the book is old. I got it off Amazon. Used.

-- Re: High Fat Diet/ and everyone

Is this an old book? Where do I find it? Amazon or what? Was it back in the

70's?

Thanks,

Tammy

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[Guest guest]

I have read a lot about coconut oil and use it for high heat cooking. I did

not realize it was a saturated fat. Well, guess I am safe. I used the

unrefined coconut oil from Whole Foods. I also bought a pressed coconut

meat in a jar from Mercola to use in drinks and cooking things like coconut

shrimp.

-- Re: High Fat Diet/ and everyone

I would disagree with this. Good healthy forms of saturated fats such as

coconut oil do

not increase insulin resistance. The proper kind of saturated fat is vital

to the functioning

of your body, hormones, etc. My daughter is a Type 1 diabetic and we do not

skimp on

good saturated fats for her. She eats bacon, but organic without nitrates.

Here are two

excellent links regarading fats by a couple of the most expert leading

authorities on fats

you could hope to find. The first one has references to the studies used for

the insulin

resistance articles.

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/type-2-diabetes.html

Many excellent articles on fat here:

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/index.html

Linn

> > >

> > > I don't like saturated fats so I am going to try the Rosedal diet

> > first. How long were you on his diet and were you strict with it?

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I knew I was so sorry I bought a house in the city. Never thought of buying

a cow and milking it!

-- Re: High Fat Diet/ and everyone

Pastuerized, homogonized milk IS full of hormones and not so good stuff and

has been altered. If you can get RAW milk from a reputable source, such as a

certified farm, then it is great stuff - full of enzymes and good bacteria,

and the lactose hasn't been altered during processing, so it isn't a problem

The farmers market in our park has a family that sell organics and the mom

was telling me that her daughter couldn't drink milk at all. Then her

husband bought her a cow and they milk it and refrigerate it and her

daughter can drink it with no problems, although she still can't drink milk

from the grocery store.

C.

[Guest guest]

I don't think my mentions margerine but I do not recall. I just

ignored it if it did. I was using butter only back in the 70's when my

whole family thought I was nuts. I was taking nutrition classes then and

the diabetic diet called for butter, not margerine. The book stated that

the diabetic diet is the healthiest diet for us. Since it was a college

textbook I figured it was trustworthy.

That is also where I found out about the ketogenic diet. Back then it had

been used for epileptics.

-- Re: High Fat Diet/ and everyone

My Broda books doesn't recommend margerine - he talks about how good butter

is. ?????

However, 40 years ago everyone said margerine was better. I've done every

other low carb

diet too.

I never said Rosedale is Atkins, I said it was like every other low carb

book out there -

probably most similar to Dr. Oz's.

Yes, yes - ORGANIC is better as even Val talks about being able to go off

progesterone

once she switched to organic foods. I wish there were more organic

restaurants as going

out is a big deal for me.

I could give you a handful of links discounting your views on saturated fats

but that's why

this world is a democracy. All that matters is what works for you in the

long haul.

SAMMIE

> > >

> > > I don't like saturated fats so I am going to try the Rosedal diet

> > first. How long were you on his diet and were you strict with it?

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

No, I was on high T3 meds when I did protein. When I got the Broda

book he mentioned that high protein made the body need 4 times more thyroid

meds. I did not really believe it. However, the 2nd week into the high fat

diet, I was getting hyper so I had to cut the dose eventually by half. I

just felt speeded up and tired at the same time. I had lots of energy and

overdid it, not sleeping, etc. That may have contributed to some of the

weight loss alone. When I added carbs I had to raise my dose again.

I am only one person and not a research population, lol, but I did have to

drop my T3 meds some so was correct at least in my case.

-- Re: High Fat Diet/ and everyone

So, when you were doing high protein you were on even less T3 meds than when

you did

the high fat diet?

What were your symptoms?

Maybe I'll wait until I switch over to just T3 meds before starting the diet

full-time. I have

a lot of weight to lose though, so maybe you and I are different in that

regard.

SAMMIE

> >

> > This low carb diet is the only diet I have ever lost weight on.

> If you stick to it and don't cheat at all, the weight usually melts

> right off and pretty fast too.

> >

> > As far as I am concerned, we are a carb laden society and I think

> the carbs are responsible for most of the obesity in this country.

> >

> > The other thing I like about this way of eating is that you can

> eat as much as you want and never have to deprive yourself. The

> first time I did this diet I lost 40 lbs. in 2 months.

> >

> > I eat the following unlimited:

> >

> > Fish

> > Chicken

> > Beef

> > Turkey

> > Pork (But I don't like pork)

> > Eggs

> > Cheese (I limit cheese to goat cheese)

> > but a couple of slices or cubes each day of any cheese is fine

> >

> > Fats unlimited:

> >

> > Mayo (I buy it from the health food store)

> > olive oil

> > Butter

> >

> > All low starch veggies

> >

> > Nuts (for snacks) but you must limit these due to carb content.

> Peanuts and macadamias, walnuts, almonds, cashews.

> >

> > I eat no fruit

> > no sugar or foods that contain sugar

> > I use sweet and low in coffee but you can use stevia if you like

> > Aspartame is very BAD for us

> >

> > Some people can eat a bit of whole grain each day, e.g. 1 slice

> whole grain bread

> > or 1 small cup whole grain cereal.

> >

> > Cream is better than milk on this diet because it's lower in

> carbs. I use half and half.

> >

> > When I get hungry and want to snack at night, I eat a bowl of

> chicken salad, egg salad, tuna salad, etc. with chopped celery and

> onions and I have some tomato or pickles with it.

> >

> > During the day for snacks, I grab cheese, nuts, carrots, celery,

> etc.

> >

> > Turkey slices are a good snack.

> >

> > Chicken drumsticks are a good snack.

> >

> > Watch out for coatings of white flour.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, Broda recommends cottege cheese but I think Rosedale does not like it

due to its sugar content. Don't quote me but that is what I recall. So

diet may have more hidden carbs thus you may avoid the withdrawals

from sugar.

-- Re: High Fat Diet/ and everyone

I had the same constipation problem on Atkins. I think I went well over a

week and was

worried. Benefiber is a good fiber supplement, and my holistic doc

recommended it. The

powder form is odorless/tasteless etc. The headaches from carb withdrawl was

brutal too.

I think that can often be a candida symptom. Good thing about the Broda

diet is

that you don't go into ketosis and you are to eat 50grams of carbs at least.

That might

help as it's more than the recommended 20 grams Atkins recommends. I do

think it's

better for some to slowly cut back on carbs instead of going cold-turkey

overnight.

Ugh. I'm not looking forward to that.

SAMMIE

>

> What do you do for constipatio? I only lasted 9 days on Atkins. I thought

I would

explode and the headache was terrible. I must confess I don't like red meat

and I guess I

would eat just chicken and fish. I do eat grains and I guess that is bad for

us for losing

weitht. I try to stay away from the carbs as much as I can.

>

> I just bought another book on low carb and is better than Atkins so maybe

I can do

that one. I just this illness. I have had to give up so much since I got it.

>

>

>

> Bertha

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I just found this diet info that I thought I'd share....

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/lowcarb.htm

Re: High Fat Diet/ and everyone

So, when you were doing high protein you were on even less T3 meds than when

you did

the high fat diet?

What were your symptoms?

Maybe I'll wait until I switch over to just T3 meds before starting the diet

full-time. I have

a lot of weight to lose though, so maybe you and I are different in that

regard.

SAMMIE

> >

> > This low carb diet is the only diet I have ever lost weight on.

> If you stick to it and don't cheat at all, the weight usually melts

> right off and pretty fast too.

> >

> > As far as I am concerned, we are a carb laden society and I think

> the carbs are responsible for most of the obesity in this country.

> >

> > The other thing I like about this way of eating is that you can

> eat as much as you want and never have to deprive yourself. The

> first time I did this diet I lost 40 lbs. in 2 months.

> >

> > I eat the following unlimited:

> >

> > Fish

> > Chicken

> > Beef

> > Turkey

> > Pork (But I don't like pork)

> > Eggs

> > Cheese (I limit cheese to goat cheese)

> > but a couple of slices or cubes each day of any cheese is fine

> >

> > Fats unlimited:

> >

> > Mayo (I buy it from the health food store)

> > olive oil

> > Butter

> >

> > All low starch veggies

> >

> > Nuts (for snacks) but you must limit these due to carb content.

> Peanuts and macadamias, walnuts, almonds, cashews.

> >

> > I eat no fruit

> > no sugar or foods that contain sugar

> > I use sweet and low in coffee but you can use stevia if you like

> > Aspartame is very BAD for us

> >

> > Some people can eat a bit of whole grain each day, e.g. 1 slice

> whole grain bread

> > or 1 small cup whole grain cereal.

> >

> > Cream is better than milk on this diet because it's lower in

> carbs. I use half and half.

> >

> > When I get hungry and want to snack at night, I eat a bowl of

> chicken salad, egg salad, tuna salad, etc. with chopped celery and

> onions and I have some tomato or pickles with it.

> >

> > During the day for snacks, I grab cheese, nuts, carrots, celery,

> etc.

> >

> > Turkey slices are a good snack.

> >

> > Chicken drumsticks are a good snack.

> >

> > Watch out for coatings of white flour.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This must be very exciting for you (killing to

birds with one stone). Keep us posted on your

progress!

--- " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. "

wrote:

> I have never done the Rosedale diet. I did buy the

> book. I was fairly

> strict with the diet and lost 8 lbs in 2

> weeks. It has stayed off

> and I lost another 2 lbs but have added back carbs,

> just not as many as

> before the diet. Results are very fast and I had to

> lower my T3 meds cause

> it makes you need less T3.

>

> -- Re: Re: High Fat Diet/

> and everyone

>

> I don't like saturated fats so I am going to try the

> Rosedal diet first. How

> long were you on his diet and were you strict with

> it?

>

>

> jigscam wrote:

> I bought the Rosedale diet book by accident. I think

> that's like most

> low carb diet books - nothing new for me and I was

> never successful on

> that diet.

>

> I was really impressed to read what Broda

> wrote about in his

> book: Hypothyroidism: The Unsuspected Illness and

> that's what I'm

> speaking about.

>

> The diet is essentially this:

>

> 50 grams of carbs, 70 grams ptotein, 90 grams fat

> (making it

> essentially a high fat diet) and about 1300 calories

>

>

> He doesn't distinguish between saturated and

> unsaturated fats, in fact

> recommends the following standard daily diet:

>

> Breakfast:

>

> 2 eggs

> 3 strips ham/bacon/sausage

> 2 ounces unsweetened juice

> one serving tea/coffee (with optional cream)

>

> Lunch & Dinner:

>

> one serving meat/fish/fowl

> Veggies with butter or oleo

> Salad with abundance of dressing (assuming high

> fat/low sugar probably)

> one serving fresh fruit

> one serving milk/tea/coffee

>

> This might seem similar to South Beach in that fruit

> is allowed

> (unlike Atkins), but saturated fat isn't

> discouraged. If you think

> back to our caveman days when we did eat saturated

> fat, one can assume

> it's not bad. Also, meat eating mammals eat this way

> and don't have

> heart attacks or cholesterol issues. It's the combo

> of sugar/fats

> that is bad and causes heart disease/high

> cholesterol. Animal fat

> isn't bad, though trans fat are. Also, he mentions

> that this diet

> doestn' trigger ketosis, like Atkins.

>

> I need to detox a bit over the weekend, but I will

> start it soon. The

> trick will be going down to 50 carbs daily. That

> will likely cause

> some headaches and stir up my candida issues. But

> maybe not.

>

> SAMMIE

>

>

> >

> > Are you referring to diet high in SATURATED fats

> or the good

> UNSATURED fats? I'm about to start the Rosedale diet

> on Monday. Have

> either of you tried it?

> >

> >

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>

> My Broda books doesn't recommend margerine - he talks about how good

butter is. ?????

Didn't your diet recommend:

" Veggies with butter or oleo "

Isn't oleo margarine?

>

> I could give you a handful of links discounting your views on

saturated fats, but that's why

> this world is a democracy. All that matters is what works for you in

the long haul.

This statement I agree with completely. Everyone seems to have an

opinion on which diet is the best, but everyone seems to keep trying

different diets and then gaining everything back. My OPINION is that

low fat diets were the biggest joke perpetrated on the American public,

followed only by the Atkins diet. Doesn't common sense tell you that

something like ketosis is bad?

My knowledge of what works for losing weight is based on experimenting

with my husband, who was 215 lbs but is now 155, and has kept the

weight off for 5 years. I only had 30 lbs to lose and was never

considered that heavy. (Course, just changing from Synthroid to Armour

might have had a lot to do with my excess weight coming off.) He,

however, was fat. Everyone says EXERCISE! Well he'd go for walks

after work every night, and every year, he was a fatter guy walking

around the block! But he was very much a carb addict.

So then I read everything I could on diet: Ornish (no fat--nope,

triglycerides went through the roof); Atkins (high protein--nope, we

both gained weight); Zone (combo of everything--too hard to follow

trying to figure out " food blocks " ); Shintani (vegetarian--great

recipes and we did lose some weight mostly cause it's low cal); and

finally Dr. Weil (just eat moderate portions of everything--protein,

carbs, and fat, and dump the processed foods).

Just by avoiding most processed foods and especially anything with high

fructose corn syrup, we have been able to maintain our optimum

weights. I only used " real " food like sugar instead of aspartame or

sweet & lo, butter instead of margarine, and nothing with food colors

or preservatives since they give me hives.

However, we both got adrenal fatigue in May of this year and are using

the Rosedale diet not so much to lose weight, but to keep our

prediabetes/hypoglycemia under control and hopefully, not turn into

diabetes. Severely cutting the carbs has been helpful, as

recommended. Before, we'd eat ice cream occasionally and had a carb

like rice or pasta or bread with our meals. As long as we ate " real

food, " and lots of fiber from fruits, veggies, whole grains, beans, and

nuts, the weight did not creep back up.

So, good luck to all out there trying to lose weight, however you

choose to do it. It can be done.

Barb

[Guest guest]

It's the homogenization that screws up the fat in milk. The combination of

pastuerization

and homogenization render milk into basically a dead, enzymeless food that is in

essence an

allergen. It's one of the major causes of asthma, dietary reactions, arthritis,

IBS & other gut

problems, diabetes, and many other problems.

Linn

>

> I also heard in a debate on TV regarding pasteurization vs raw, that

> pasteurization cause the fat particles to break into too small of size,

> which destroys the value of the milk and makes it an allergen entering the

> body much like you are stating the below. It could be the protein that is

> broken down too small but if I recall correctly, it is the fat.

>

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Organic meats are expensive. This is why I don't buy

red meats and I don't think I would do well on .

I would be eating way too much chicken and I really

don't like chicken either.

--- " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. "

wrote:

> I know bacon and heavy cream has chemicals in it.

> It seems like everything

> out there has chemicals in it so I buy my foods

> organic. I bought the bacon

> that says no coloring or additives. But I am sure

> that is not true.

>

> -- Re: Re: High Fat Diet/

> and everyone

>

> I figure if I don't lose weight by 4 weeks then I

> will try but you

> may be right about the diet industry affecting but

> bacon and heavy cream

> still has chemicals in them. I will keep you all

> posted of my progress!

>

>

>

> jigscam wrote:

> I did Atkins for several months to the T. Rosedale

> is like every

> other low carb diet. You shouldn't be scared of

> saturated fats. There

> is no reason to be. That's the diet industry

> effecting you.

>

> SAMMIE

>

>

> >

> > I don't like saturated fats so I am going to try

> the Rosedal diet

> first. How long were you on his diet and were you

> strict with it?

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

What am I missing? I didn't think he said anything about cottage

cheese. I thought most peeps were down on it since it's high in

carbs. Probably best to get the regular kind (not low or fat free)

correct?

I'm a bit of a brain fog lately. I'm not sure what I'm reacting too.

Hands swelling........lips swollen..........

maybe too much sea salt?? I bumped from 1 - 2 teaspoons.

SAMMIE

>

> Yes, Broda recommends cottege cheese but I think Rosedale does not

like it

> due to its sugar content. Don't quote me but that is what I

recall. So

> diet may have more hidden carbs thus you may avoid the

withdrawals

> from sugar.

>

> -------Original Message-------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think you'd be surprised at the cost. I noticed some in our local

generic market yesterday (Lucky's in Oakland CA) and it wasn't more or

less than the others. Whole Foods can sometimes be more expensive,

but I bought oprganic Buffalo and Turkey from there, so it doesn't

always have to be chicken if you don't want.

SAMMIE

>

> Organic meats are expensive. This is why I don't buy

> red meats and I don't think I would do well on .

> I would be eating way too much chicken and I really

> don't like chicken either.

>

[Guest guest]

Barb,

You might try replacing any sugar you use with raw honey, real maple syrup or

maple

sugar or agave nectar. These are real whole foods complete with minerals and

enzymes.

Sugar is not a whole food, it is a highly processed food. While it is better

than using

synthetic replacement sugars or HFCS, especially for those with diabetic

concerns, the

whole food versions are the best choice.

For ice cream, stick with only those that have real ingredients in them, there

are very few

choices, no gums, thickeners, artificial ingredients, chemicals, etc. Better

yet, make your

own. If you're avoiding dairy, you can make ice cream with coconut milk.

If you're having prediabetes symptoms, you might consider elminating bread

altogether,

bread is not a whole food, it's a processed food. Either that or consider

making

homemade flatbreads or homemade sour dough bread occasionally. They're much

better

for you.

Linn

> >

> Just by avoiding most processed foods and especially anything with high

> fructose corn syrup, we have been able to maintain our optimum

> weights. I only used " real " food like sugar instead of aspartame or

> sweet & lo, butter instead of margarine, and nothing with food colors

> or preservatives since they give me hives.

>

> However, we both got adrenal fatigue in May of this year and are using

> the Rosedale diet not so much to lose weight, but to keep our

> prediabetes/hypoglycemia under control and hopefully, not turn into

> diabetes. Severely cutting the carbs has been helpful, as

> recommended. Before, we'd eat ice cream occasionally and had a carb

> like rice or pasta or bread with our meals. As long as we ate " real

> food, " and lots of fiber from fruits, veggies, whole grains, beans, and

> nuts, the weight did not creep back up.

>

> So, good luck to all out there trying to lose weight, however you

> choose to do it. It can be done.

>

> Barb

>

[Guest guest]

Indeed, the neighbors may become a tad peturbed. ;-) I live in the country. I

have cows on two sides of me. It is amazing some of the sounds they make. They

sound like of the background sounds on alien planets in Star Wars!

" I knew I was so sorry I bought a house in the city. Never thought of buying

a cow and milking it! "