Re: Val - T3 questions

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In a message dated 05/01/2007 09:59:55 GMT Standard Time, robinahy@...

writes:

Anyway, selenium is one way of helping the conversion.

There is also a product from Nutri Ltd in the UK called T-Convert, it

contains something called guggul something or other?

Mo

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In a message dated 05/01/2007 09:59:55 GMT Standard Time, robinahy@...

writes:

Anyway, selenium is one way of helping the conversion.

There is also a product from Nutri Ltd in the UK called T-Convert, it

contains something called guggul something or other?

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

http://www.zpointprocess.com?a_aid=d886126e

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>

> Does anyone , know how to improve that enzyme deficiency, if it is

> even possible?

>

Selenium plays a role in this. But be careful. If your body is already loaded

with T4 that

isn't being converted than adding selenium can cause a sudden and rapid

conversion -

and a feeling of being very hyper and extreme stress on the adrenals. I've not

been able

to tolerate selenium but that might be what was happening to me.

Anyway, selenium is one way of helping the conversion. I've attempted to do a

little

research in this area and there are several types of 5'-de. enzyme, type I, II

and III and it

makes my head spin.

Dr. Peatfield also suggests that after several weeks of T3 only therapy, T4 can

slowly be

added back in (or better still armour), although he says it is perfectly ok to

stay with T3

indefinitely. It really depends on the individual. Dr. Lowe says that at times

people cannot

tolerate T4, but he isn't always convinced that it's even a conversion block.

He's not sure

why this happens. But then again he is more of a CFS specialist, but Dr.

Peatfiled quotes

to him a lot.

[Guest guest]

I can tell you what helped me! It was both the HC for 18 months and

using Lugol's Iodine. I am pretty certain iodine is involved with this

conversion process. I did not feel good taking iodine orally, but

putting 2-4 drops a day on topically which I was doing every day for a

while was when I had to actually cut my T3 in half from what I was

using. and I have not gone back up though I only use the iodine about 2

times a week now as the stain lasts a long time. At first it was gone in

1.5-2 hours!

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[Guest guest]

>

> How is it different with resistance?

>

Being resistant means that the T3 receptors can become dormant and/or resistant

to T3.

Where as a conversion block means your body cannot make T3 from T4. Both can be

caused by AF. I think the symptoms are probably the same but, obviously, the

solution is

not. One is a case of toxic levels of T4 in the system and the other is a case

of toxic levels

of T3 in the system.

(again I'm quoting Dr. Peatfield, The Great Thyroid Scandal..., page 101)

[Guest guest]

>

> How is it different with resistance?

>

Being resistant means that the T3 receptors can become dormant and/or resistant

to T3.

Where as a conversion block means your body cannot make T3 from T4. Both can be

caused by AF. I think the symptoms are probably the same but, obviously, the

solution is

not. One is a case of toxic levels of T4 in the system and the other is a case

of toxic levels

of T3 in the system.

(again I'm quoting Dr. Peatfield, The Great Thyroid Scandal..., page 101)

[Guest guest]

>

> How is it different with resistance?

>

Being resistant means that the T3 receptors can become dormant and/or resistant

to T3.

Where as a conversion block means your body cannot make T3 from T4. Both can be

caused by AF. I think the symptoms are probably the same but, obviously, the

solution is

not. One is a case of toxic levels of T4 in the system and the other is a case

of toxic levels

of T3 in the system.

(again I'm quoting Dr. Peatfield, The Great Thyroid Scandal..., page 101)

[Guest guest]

>

> There is also a product from Nutri Ltd in the UK called T-Convert, it

> contains something called guggul something or other?

>

Have you actually tried the stufff? Success?

Robin

[Guest guest]

>

> There is also a product from Nutri Ltd in the UK called T-Convert, it

> contains something called guggul something or other?

>

Have you actually tried the stufff? Success?

Robin

[Guest guest]

>

> There is also a product from Nutri Ltd in the UK called T-Convert, it

> contains something called guggul something or other?

>

Have you actually tried the stufff? Success?

Robin

[Guest guest]

In tissue resistance, I have read the best way to compensate for it to

achieve euthroid state at th tissue (cellular) level is to bombard the

receptors with T3. But this is true tissue resistance where no matter

how much Armour or T4 you take your T3 stays at th bottom of th barrel

barely reaching the bottom of it's range when you are screamer hype form

the T4 being too high. When T4 is over range you are not likely to feel

well at all. I can tell when mine is too high immediately. I am

exhausted! But I lower the Armour and add in T3 and this gets me through

this s resistance,. which BTW since taking 2-4 drop Lugol's topically

and 18months of HC, I need less than HALF the T3 I did before. So

between HC and Lugol's, it has opened receptors for me.

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In tissue resistance, I have read the best way to compensate for it to

achieve euthroid state at th tissue (cellular) level is to bombard the

receptors with T3. But this is true tissue resistance where no matter

how much Armour or T4 you take your T3 stays at th bottom of th barrel

barely reaching the bottom of it's range when you are screamer hype form

the T4 being too high. When T4 is over range you are not likely to feel

well at all. I can tell when mine is too high immediately. I am

exhausted! But I lower the Armour and add in T3 and this gets me through

this s resistance,. which BTW since taking 2-4 drop Lugol's topically

and 18months of HC, I need less than HALF the T3 I did before. So

between HC and Lugol's, it has opened receptors for me.

--

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[Guest guest]

In tissue resistance, I have read the best way to compensate for it to

achieve euthroid state at th tissue (cellular) level is to bombard the

receptors with T3. But this is true tissue resistance where no matter

how much Armour or T4 you take your T3 stays at th bottom of th barrel

barely reaching the bottom of it's range when you are screamer hype form

the T4 being too high. When T4 is over range you are not likely to feel

well at all. I can tell when mine is too high immediately. I am

exhausted! But I lower the Armour and add in T3 and this gets me through

this s resistance,. which BTW since taking 2-4 drop Lugol's topically

and 18months of HC, I need less than HALF the T3 I did before. So

between HC and Lugol's, it has opened receptors for me.

--

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http://www.emedicine.com/med/byname/Euthyroid-Sick-Syndrome.htm

Pretty good read here if yo can wade through the medicalese.

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[Guest guest]

Okay,,,,well, this may be well and good, but since I can no longer

toelrate Armour at all, and can only tolerate T3. (haven't ever tried

timed release) shoudl I jsut not take any kind of thyroid at all then

anymore?

(Right now, I am not)

Maybe 6 months or a year down the road, try it agian?

thanks,

Inga

I wish you would PLEASE not send people to this site. Let me tell you

why. First we believe that T3 by itself is JUST as poor a treatment

for hypo as T4 alone is. Neither will affect a complete treatment.

Personally I think 's Syndrome is BUNK and this is also the

consensus of great doctor's like Peatfield. NEXT, I have tried EVERY

slow release T3 out there, and they are HORRIBLE. I am one that

requires more T3 than Armoru has in it so a GOOD slow releae T3 would

have been a great boon to me. On even double the amounts of SRT3 than

I take of regular Cytomel, I go seriously hypo. My T3 bottoms out on

blood testing and saliva testing. If people need extra T3 they really

should just get used to multidosing. It is NOT that hard. I do it

every day with working full time, tracking my glucose levels, timing

my insulin and once you make it a part of your routine, it is as easy

as pie.

Next, I have seen several people that have totally trashed their

adrenals by being put on T3 meds when they only had weak adrenals.

Ask Deborah on the General Thyroid Forum at STTM.. Link in my

signature line. She has been battling horrible adrenal problems ever

since being put on T3 only meds form a doctor.

SO YES o this adrenal forum I ask you PLEASE be cautious recommending

T3 meds. They are a life saveer fo r me, but they are NOT the first

thing to try in thyroid resistance. Alot of testing is needed to rule

out adrenal problems before T3 should evne be tried.

[Guest guest]

Okay,,,,well, this may be well and good, but since I can no longer

toelrate Armour at all, and can only tolerate T3. (haven't ever tried

timed release) shoudl I jsut not take any kind of thyroid at all then

anymore?

(Right now, I am not)

Maybe 6 months or a year down the road, try it agian?

thanks,

Inga

I wish you would PLEASE not send people to this site. Let me tell you

why. First we believe that T3 by itself is JUST as poor a treatment

for hypo as T4 alone is. Neither will affect a complete treatment.

Personally I think 's Syndrome is BUNK and this is also the

consensus of great doctor's like Peatfield. NEXT, I have tried EVERY

slow release T3 out there, and they are HORRIBLE. I am one that

requires more T3 than Armoru has in it so a GOOD slow releae T3 would

have been a great boon to me. On even double the amounts of SRT3 than

I take of regular Cytomel, I go seriously hypo. My T3 bottoms out on

blood testing and saliva testing. If people need extra T3 they really

should just get used to multidosing. It is NOT that hard. I do it

every day with working full time, tracking my glucose levels, timing

my insulin and once you make it a part of your routine, it is as easy

as pie.

Next, I have seen several people that have totally trashed their

adrenals by being put on T3 meds when they only had weak adrenals.

Ask Deborah on the General Thyroid Forum at STTM.. Link in my

signature line. She has been battling horrible adrenal problems ever

since being put on T3 only meds form a doctor.

SO YES o this adrenal forum I ask you PLEASE be cautious recommending

T3 meds. They are a life saveer fo r me, but they are NOT the first

thing to try in thyroid resistance. Alot of testing is needed to rule

out adrenal problems before T3 should evne be tried.

[Guest guest]

Is your body temp normal? Cholesterol good ranges? these are two things

I would be concerned with with NOT treating the thyroid. Sooner or later

you will HAVE to if you have Hashi's as it will destroy your thyroid

gland and sooner or later it will cease to function. It would be easier

on YOU to find out why yo can't tolerate the other meds if possible.

have you had adrenal testing done? i shouldn't say adrenal testing, I

meant the four times saliva testing. I have also noticed that people

with very LOW or very high DHEA levels seem to always have trouble

tolerating meds, even HC sometimes. I have a friend I chat with just

about every day that has been about a year now just gettign to 7.5-10MG

a day of HC. but she is getting there and we hope she will be able to

tolerate Armour soon. he also cannot take Synthroid, or Levoxyl but

Unithroid seems to not be too bad for her right now, in small doses.

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[Guest guest]

Is your body temp normal? Cholesterol good ranges? these are two things

I would be concerned with with NOT treating the thyroid. Sooner or later

you will HAVE to if you have Hashi's as it will destroy your thyroid

gland and sooner or later it will cease to function. It would be easier

on YOU to find out why yo can't tolerate the other meds if possible.

have you had adrenal testing done? i shouldn't say adrenal testing, I

meant the four times saliva testing. I have also noticed that people

with very LOW or very high DHEA levels seem to always have trouble

tolerating meds, even HC sometimes. I have a friend I chat with just

about every day that has been about a year now just gettign to 7.5-10MG

a day of HC. but she is getting there and we hope she will be able to

tolerate Armour soon. he also cannot take Synthroid, or Levoxyl but

Unithroid seems to not be too bad for her right now, in small doses.

--

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[Guest guest]

You know, we are all so uniquely individual.

Another forum that I belong to says to NEVER take Lugols and that it

trashed the owner's thyroid so that she had to have it surgically

removed. She says Lugol's is too dangerous for anybody.

And yet, folks here and at other forums are raving about Lugols.....

Personally, I think she is being a bit narrow minded and tellng other

fols to do absed onher own experience, but it all gets a bit

confusing to sort out who says what and why, and which way to go

sometimes.

Just trying to stay open-minded about what ways may work.....

this sounds liek a pretty good battel plab Val...maybe I need to stay

off any ind of thyroid for quite soem tiem......and just take H/C and

iodine.

~Inga

I can tell you what helped me! It was both the HC for 18 months and

using Lugol's Iodine. I am pretty certain iodine is involved with this

conversion process. I did not feel good taking iodine orally, but

putting 2-4 drops a day on topically which I was doing every day for a

while was when I had to actually cut my T3 in half from what I was

using. and I have not gone back up though I only use the iodine about 2

times a week now as the stain lasts a long time. At first it was gone in

1.5-2 hours!

-

[Guest guest]

You know, we are all so uniquely individual.

Another forum that I belong to says to NEVER take Lugols and that it

trashed the owner's thyroid so that she had to have it surgically

removed. She says Lugol's is too dangerous for anybody.

And yet, folks here and at other forums are raving about Lugols.....

Personally, I think she is being a bit narrow minded and tellng other

fols to do absed onher own experience, but it all gets a bit

confusing to sort out who says what and why, and which way to go

sometimes.

Just trying to stay open-minded about what ways may work.....

this sounds liek a pretty good battel plab Val...maybe I need to stay

off any ind of thyroid for quite soem tiem......and just take H/C and

iodine.

~Inga

I can tell you what helped me! It was both the HC for 18 months and

using Lugol's Iodine. I am pretty certain iodine is involved with this

conversion process. I did not feel good taking iodine orally, but

putting 2-4 drops a day on topically which I was doing every day for a

while was when I had to actually cut my T3 in half from what I was

using. and I have not gone back up though I only use the iodine about 2

times a week now as the stain lasts a long time. At first it was gone in

1.5-2 hours!

-

[Guest guest]

Or the receptor sites can be blocked with heavy metals taking up the

spots....same outcome, just a possible, or even probable cause

~Inga

Being resistant means that the T3 receptors can become dormant and/or

resistant to T3.

[Guest guest]

Or the receptor sites can be blocked with heavy metals taking up the

spots....same outcome, just a possible, or even probable cause

~Inga

Being resistant means that the T3 receptors can become dormant and/or

resistant to T3.

[Guest guest]

I was reading on a ferritin forum that low ferritin levels will make it

difficult to tolerate thyroid hormones and ferritin works to help convert t4 to

t3. Have you had your ferritin levels checked? Many have noticed that once they

increase their iron, they can increase thyroid meds alot better.

D E Renault wrote:

Okay,,,,well, this may be well and good, but since I can no longer

toelrate Armour at all, and can only tolerate T3. (haven't ever tried

timed release) shoudl I jsut not take any kind of thyroid at all then

anymore?

(Right now, I am not)

Maybe 6 months or a year down the road, try it agian?

thanks,

Inga

I wish you would PLEASE not send people to this site. Let me tell you

why. First we believe that T3 by itself is JUST as poor a treatment

for hypo as T4 alone is. Neither will affect a complete treatment.

Personally I think 's Syndrome is BUNK and this is also the

consensus of great doctor's like Peatfield. NEXT, I have tried EVERY

slow release T3 out there, and they are HORRIBLE. I am one that

requires more T3 than Armoru has in it so a GOOD slow releae T3 would

have been a great boon to me. On even double the amounts of SRT3 than

I take of regular Cytomel, I go seriously hypo. My T3 bottoms out on

blood testing and saliva testing. If people need extra T3 they really

should just get used to multidosing. It is NOT that hard. I do it

every day with working full time, tracking my glucose levels, timing

my insulin and once you make it a part of your routine, it is as easy

as pie.

Next, I have seen several people that have totally trashed their

adrenals by being put on T3 meds when they only had weak adrenals.

Ask Deborah on the General Thyroid Forum at STTM.. Link in my

signature line. She has been battling horrible adrenal problems ever

since being put on T3 only meds form a doctor.

SO YES o this adrenal forum I ask you PLEASE be cautious recommending

T3 meds. They are a life saveer fo r me, but they are NOT the first

thing to try in thyroid resistance. Alot of testing is needed to rule

out adrenal problems before T3 should evne be tried.

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[Guest guest]

I was reading on a ferritin forum that low ferritin levels will make it

difficult to tolerate thyroid hormones and ferritin works to help convert t4 to

t3. Have you had your ferritin levels checked? Many have noticed that once they

increase their iron, they can increase thyroid meds alot better.

D E Renault wrote:

Okay,,,,well, this may be well and good, but since I can no longer

toelrate Armour at all, and can only tolerate T3. (haven't ever tried

timed release) shoudl I jsut not take any kind of thyroid at all then

anymore?

(Right now, I am not)

Maybe 6 months or a year down the road, try it agian?

thanks,

Inga

I wish you would PLEASE not send people to this site. Let me tell you

why. First we believe that T3 by itself is JUST as poor a treatment

for hypo as T4 alone is. Neither will affect a complete treatment.

Personally I think 's Syndrome is BUNK and this is also the

consensus of great doctor's like Peatfield. NEXT, I have tried EVERY

slow release T3 out there, and they are HORRIBLE. I am one that

requires more T3 than Armoru has in it so a GOOD slow releae T3 would

have been a great boon to me. On even double the amounts of SRT3 than

I take of regular Cytomel, I go seriously hypo. My T3 bottoms out on

blood testing and saliva testing. If people need extra T3 they really

should just get used to multidosing. It is NOT that hard. I do it

every day with working full time, tracking my glucose levels, timing

my insulin and once you make it a part of your routine, it is as easy

as pie.

Next, I have seen several people that have totally trashed their

adrenals by being put on T3 meds when they only had weak adrenals.

Ask Deborah on the General Thyroid Forum at STTM.. Link in my

signature line. She has been battling horrible adrenal problems ever

since being put on T3 only meds form a doctor.

SO YES o this adrenal forum I ask you PLEASE be cautious recommending

T3 meds. They are a life saveer fo r me, but they are NOT the first

thing to try in thyroid resistance. Alot of testing is needed to rule

out adrenal problems before T3 should evne be tried.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I was reading on a ferritin forum that low ferritin levels will make it

difficult to tolerate thyroid hormones and ferritin works to help convert t4 to

t3. Have you had your ferritin levels checked? Many have noticed that once they

increase their iron, they can increase thyroid meds alot better.

D E Renault wrote:

Okay,,,,well, this may be well and good, but since I can no longer

toelrate Armour at all, and can only tolerate T3. (haven't ever tried

timed release) shoudl I jsut not take any kind of thyroid at all then

anymore?

(Right now, I am not)

Maybe 6 months or a year down the road, try it agian?

thanks,

Inga

I wish you would PLEASE not send people to this site. Let me tell you

why. First we believe that T3 by itself is JUST as poor a treatment

for hypo as T4 alone is. Neither will affect a complete treatment.

Personally I think 's Syndrome is BUNK and this is also the

consensus of great doctor's like Peatfield. NEXT, I have tried EVERY

slow release T3 out there, and they are HORRIBLE. I am one that

requires more T3 than Armoru has in it so a GOOD slow releae T3 would

have been a great boon to me. On even double the amounts of SRT3 than

I take of regular Cytomel, I go seriously hypo. My T3 bottoms out on

blood testing and saliva testing. If people need extra T3 they really

should just get used to multidosing. It is NOT that hard. I do it

every day with working full time, tracking my glucose levels, timing

my insulin and once you make it a part of your routine, it is as easy

as pie.

Next, I have seen several people that have totally trashed their

adrenals by being put on T3 meds when they only had weak adrenals.

Ask Deborah on the General Thyroid Forum at STTM.. Link in my

signature line. She has been battling horrible adrenal problems ever

since being put on T3 only meds form a doctor.

SO YES o this adrenal forum I ask you PLEASE be cautious recommending

T3 meds. They are a life saveer fo r me, but they are NOT the first

thing to try in thyroid resistance. Alot of testing is needed to rule

out adrenal problems before T3 should evne be tried.

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