Re: Val - T3 questions

[Guest guest]

Yes I take additional T3. I have tried several TR T3 and not found them

to work AT ALL, so I take four doses a day. I swallow it as you do not

want it to hit your system fast, slower is better with this and I take

it with or without food as the dosing falls. Usually my AM dose I do

take before breakfast but the other doses do into fall during meal times

which I am rigorous about timing so to help control my glucose better.

So I take 12.5 at 6AM, 12.5 at 10 am 12.5 at 2 PM and 12.5 at bedtime.

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[Guest guest]

Yes I take additional T3. I have tried several TR T3 and not found them

to work AT ALL, so I take four doses a day. I swallow it as you do not

want it to hit your system fast, slower is better with this and I take

it with or without food as the dosing falls. Usually my AM dose I do

take before breakfast but the other doses do into fall during meal times

which I am rigorous about timing so to help control my glucose better.

So I take 12.5 at 6AM, 12.5 at 10 am 12.5 at 2 PM and 12.5 at bedtime.

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[Guest guest]

So you currently take 50 mg...wow! I'm only at 20 mg, day 2 (started with 5 mg

10 days

ago and I'm working up slowly). Yesterday I split my dose and today I didn't -

no

difference noticed. But, 2 days into 20 mg dosing might not mean much in

regards to

split dosing. In any case, what should I watch out for as a reason that I

should be split

dosing? (My T3 in German and so are the instructions - I can only read about

50%)

BTW or FYI (maybe interesting or maybe not)... I re-read Dr. Peatfields book

for the 100th

time and noticed he repeatedly comments about people with long standing

untreated

hypoT with/without adrenal fatigue having a really hard time with T4 to T3

conversion.

Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not being up to

par.

He comments that this can happen with synthetic T4 as well as the T4 found in

Armour -

that basically T4 is toxic to the system. So I'm giving this possibility a good

look into.

Certainly if T4 isn't being converted and it's toxic to my system that would

clearly explain

why 10 mg pred has no effect on me as well as all of my other bassackward

symptoms.

day 24 without T4

day 10 with T3

Sorry but I still wasn't sure about whether or not things like iron can interfer

with T3 in the

same was as T4. I'm doing research in this area and haven't found anything

specific yet.

The only thing so far is that T4 has a 50 to 75 % absorption rate where as T3 is

99% - or

something like that. That's according to the armour info.

Robin

[Guest guest]

So you currently take 50 mg...wow! I'm only at 20 mg, day 2 (started with 5 mg

10 days

ago and I'm working up slowly). Yesterday I split my dose and today I didn't -

no

difference noticed. But, 2 days into 20 mg dosing might not mean much in

regards to

split dosing. In any case, what should I watch out for as a reason that I

should be split

dosing? (My T3 in German and so are the instructions - I can only read about

50%)

BTW or FYI (maybe interesting or maybe not)... I re-read Dr. Peatfields book

for the 100th

time and noticed he repeatedly comments about people with long standing

untreated

hypoT with/without adrenal fatigue having a really hard time with T4 to T3

conversion.

Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not being up to

par.

He comments that this can happen with synthetic T4 as well as the T4 found in

Armour -

that basically T4 is toxic to the system. So I'm giving this possibility a good

look into.

Certainly if T4 isn't being converted and it's toxic to my system that would

clearly explain

why 10 mg pred has no effect on me as well as all of my other bassackward

symptoms.

day 24 without T4

day 10 with T3

Sorry but I still wasn't sure about whether or not things like iron can interfer

with T3 in the

same was as T4. I'm doing research in this area and haven't found anything

specific yet.

The only thing so far is that T4 has a 50 to 75 % absorption rate where as T3 is

99% - or

something like that. That's according to the armour info.

Robin

[Guest guest]

Can you tell me the name of Dr. Peatfield's book?

Thanks,

Re: Val - T3 questions

So you currently take 50 mg...wow! I'm only at 20 mg, day 2 (started with 5 mg

10 days

ago and I'm working up slowly). Yesterday I split my dose and today I didn't -

no

difference noticed. But, 2 days into 20 mg dosing might not mean much in

regards to

split dosing. In any case, what should I watch out for as a reason that I

should be split

dosing? (My T3 in German and so are the instructions - I can only read about

50%)

BTW or FYI (maybe interesting or maybe not)... I re-read Dr. Peatfields book

for the 100th

time and noticed he repeatedly comments about people with long standing

untreated

hypoT with/without adrenal fatigue having a really hard time with T4 to T3

conversion.

Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not being up

to par.

He comments that this can happen with synthetic T4 as well as the T4 found in

Armour -

that basically T4 is toxic to the system. So I'm giving this possibility a

good look into.

Certainly if T4 isn't being converted and it's toxic to my system that would

clearly explain

why 10 mg pred has no effect on me as well as all of my other bassackward

symptoms.

day 24 without T4

day 10 with T3

Sorry but I still wasn't sure about whether or not things like iron can

interfer with T3 in the

same was as T4. I'm doing research in this area and haven't found anything

specific yet.

The only thing so far is that T4 has a 50 to 75 % absorption rate where as T3

is 99% - or

something like that. That's according to the armour info.

Robin

[Guest guest]

Can you tell me the name of Dr. Peatfield's book?

Thanks,

Re: Val - T3 questions

So you currently take 50 mg...wow! I'm only at 20 mg, day 2 (started with 5 mg

10 days

ago and I'm working up slowly). Yesterday I split my dose and today I didn't -

no

difference noticed. But, 2 days into 20 mg dosing might not mean much in

regards to

split dosing. In any case, what should I watch out for as a reason that I

should be split

dosing? (My T3 in German and so are the instructions - I can only read about

50%)

BTW or FYI (maybe interesting or maybe not)... I re-read Dr. Peatfields book

for the 100th

time and noticed he repeatedly comments about people with long standing

untreated

hypoT with/without adrenal fatigue having a really hard time with T4 to T3

conversion.

Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not being up

to par.

He comments that this can happen with synthetic T4 as well as the T4 found in

Armour -

that basically T4 is toxic to the system. So I'm giving this possibility a

good look into.

Certainly if T4 isn't being converted and it's toxic to my system that would

clearly explain

why 10 mg pred has no effect on me as well as all of my other bassackward

symptoms.

day 24 without T4

day 10 with T3

Sorry but I still wasn't sure about whether or not things like iron can

interfer with T3 in the

same was as T4. I'm doing research in this area and haven't found anything

specific yet.

The only thing so far is that T4 has a 50 to 75 % absorption rate where as T3

is 99% - or

something like that. That's according to the armour info.

Robin

[Guest guest]

>>Can you tell me the name of Dr. Peatfield's book?<<

Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy

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[Guest guest]

Robin,

Was there a reference listed for what enzyme was needed for the

conversion?

Linn

> Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not

> being up to par.

>

>> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Robin,

Was there a reference listed for what enzyme was needed for the

conversion?

Linn

> Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not

> being up to par.

>

>> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't have the book Val is talking about...must be a newer one than I have.

I was referring to the book: The Great Thyroid Scandal and How to Survive it.

>

> Can you tell me the name of Dr. Peatfield's book?

>

> Thanks,

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't have the book Val is talking about...must be a newer one than I have.

I was referring to the book: The Great Thyroid Scandal and How to Survive it.

>

> Can you tell me the name of Dr. Peatfield's book?

>

> Thanks,

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Linn,

Yeah, but give me a few hours to go through the book (have to walk the dog

first) and I

can quote or give page numbers for a lot of the details. Do you have the book :

The Great

Thyroid Scandal...

Roughly the enzyme is 5'-d something.

> > Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not

> > being up to par.

> >

> >> .

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Linn,

Yeah, but give me a few hours to go through the book (have to walk the dog

first) and I

can quote or give page numbers for a lot of the details. Do you have the book :

The Great

Thyroid Scandal...

Roughly the enzyme is 5'-d something.

> > Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not

> > being up to par.

> >

> >> .

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Found it quicker than I thought. If you actually have the book than chapter 4,

case one,

two & four talk about conversion block. Chapter 7 is about the adrenal

connection and

page 101 at the end of that chapter he talks further about the conversion block.

Also, chapter 8, especially page 114 he talks a lot about this as well...

" The more serious thyroid deficiency will respond only poorly to this regime [T4

therapy],

since it takes no account of the adrenal connection, conversion block or

receptor uptake

resistance. The patient may feel an intial benefit, but within days or weeks

this may wear

off; or the patient may soon start to become aware of tremors and palpatations. "

....

" The first is to understand that the 5'-deiodinase enzymes carrying out the T4

to T3

conversion may be quite deficient or not even work at all. The build up of

unused T4 is

then inevitable, and within a relatievly short time there may be toxic levels

present with

palpatations, a general lack of well-being, stomach upstes and so on. "

Anyway, thats only a bit of what he mentions in regards to conversion block.

> > > Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not

> > > being up to par.

> > >

> > >> .

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Found it quicker than I thought. If you actually have the book than chapter 4,

case one,

two & four talk about conversion block. Chapter 7 is about the adrenal

connection and

page 101 at the end of that chapter he talks further about the conversion block.

Also, chapter 8, especially page 114 he talks a lot about this as well...

" The more serious thyroid deficiency will respond only poorly to this regime [T4

therapy],

since it takes no account of the adrenal connection, conversion block or

receptor uptake

resistance. The patient may feel an intial benefit, but within days or weeks

this may wear

off; or the patient may soon start to become aware of tremors and palpatations. "

....

" The first is to understand that the 5'-deiodinase enzymes carrying out the T4

to T3

conversion may be quite deficient or not even work at all. The build up of

unused T4 is

then inevitable, and within a relatievly short time there may be toxic levels

present with

palpatations, a general lack of well-being, stomach upstes and so on. "

Anyway, thats only a bit of what he mentions in regards to conversion block.

> > > Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not

> > > being up to par.

> > >

> > >> .

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

> Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy

>

How does that compare to his first book; The Great Thyroid Scandal...

[Guest guest]

> Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy

>

How does that compare to his first book; The Great Thyroid Scandal...

[Guest guest]

>Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy

>

How does that compare to his first book; The Great Thyroid Scandal...<<

I am not sure as I never read the first one.

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[Guest guest]

>Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy

>

How does that compare to his first book; The Great Thyroid Scandal...<<

I am not sure as I never read the first one.

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[Guest guest]

not sure but I think the second book is just an updated version, a bit

more info added

Lynda

> >Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy

>>

>

>

> How does that compare to his first book; The Great Thyroid

> Scandal...<<

>

[Guest guest]

Robin,

No, I don't have the book, but was interested because I noticed that

this time around taking Armour I have done tremendously better while

taking enzymes than when I took it without them. Was just curious

what enzyme was referred to, if it was a systemic enzyme or what kind

it was.

Linn

> Linn,

>

> Yeah, but give me a few hours to go through the book (have to walk

> the dog first) and I

> can quote or give page numbers for a lot of the details. Do you

> have the book : The Great

> Thyroid Scandal...

>

> Roughly the enzyme is 5'-d something.

>

> ---

>> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Robin,

No, I don't have the book, but was interested because I noticed that

this time around taking Armour I have done tremendously better while

taking enzymes than when I took it without them. Was just curious

what enzyme was referred to, if it was a systemic enzyme or what kind

it was.

Linn

> Linn,

>

> Yeah, but give me a few hours to go through the book (have to walk

> the dog first) and I

> can quote or give page numbers for a lot of the details. Do you

> have the book : The Great

> Thyroid Scandal...

>

> Roughly the enzyme is 5'-d something.

>

> ---

>> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Robin, I did a quick glance at this enzyme. It would make

sense that the better your liver and kidneys are functioning the less

chance of having a conversion problem. I'll try and read up later in

the week.

Linn

> Found it quicker than I thought. If you actually have the book than

> chapter 4, case one,

> two & four talk about conversion block. Chapter 7 is about the

> adrenal connection and

> page 101 at the end of that chapter he talks further about the

> conversion block.

>

> Also, chapter 8, especially page 114 he talks a lot about this as

> well...

>

> " The more serious thyroid deficiency will respond only poorly to

> this regime [T4 therapy],

> since it takes no account of the adrenal connection, conversion

> block or receptor uptake

> resistance. The patient may feel an intial benefit, but within days

> or weeks this may wear

> off; or the patient may soon start to become aware of tremors and

> palpatations. " ...

>

> " The first is to understand that the 5'-deiodinase enzymes carrying

> out the T4 to T3

> conversion may be quite deficient or not even work at all. The

> build up of unused T4 is

> then inevitable, and within a relatievly short time there may be

> toxic levels present with

> palpatations, a general lack of well-being, stomach upstes and so on. "

>

> Anyway, thats only a bit of what he mentions in regards to

> conversion block.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Robin, I did a quick glance at this enzyme. It would make

sense that the better your liver and kidneys are functioning the less

chance of having a conversion problem. I'll try and read up later in

the week.

Linn

> Found it quicker than I thought. If you actually have the book than

> chapter 4, case one,

> two & four talk about conversion block. Chapter 7 is about the

> adrenal connection and

> page 101 at the end of that chapter he talks further about the

> conversion block.

>

> Also, chapter 8, especially page 114 he talks a lot about this as

> well...

>

> " The more serious thyroid deficiency will respond only poorly to

> this regime [T4 therapy],

> since it takes no account of the adrenal connection, conversion

> block or receptor uptake

> resistance. The patient may feel an intial benefit, but within days

> or weeks this may wear

> off; or the patient may soon start to become aware of tremors and

> palpatations. " ...

>

> " The first is to understand that the 5'-deiodinase enzymes carrying

> out the T4 to T3

> conversion may be quite deficient or not even work at all. The

> build up of unused T4 is

> then inevitable, and within a relatievly short time there may be

> toxic levels present with

> palpatations, a general lack of well-being, stomach upstes and so on. "

>

> Anyway, thats only a bit of what he mentions in regards to

> conversion block.

>

[Guest guest]

This sounds like exactly what has been going on with me...can no

longer convert T4....heart goes nuts on Armour. With Straight T3 I

did MUCH better, but them my adrenals got fried, it seems....Tired to

gingerly get back on Armour and had horrific panic attacks.....Wish I

ahd a way of getting timed release T-3....

~Inga

Found it quicker than I thought. If you actually have the book than

chapter 4, case one,

two & four talk about conversion block. Chapter 7 is about the

adrenal connection and

page 101 at the end of that chapter he talks further about the

conversion block.

Also, chapter 8, especially page 114 he talks a lot about this as

well...

" The more serious thyroid deficiency will respond only poorly to this

regime [T4 therapy],

since it takes no account of the adrenal connection, conversion block

or receptor uptake

resistance. The patient may feel an intial benefit, but within days

or weeks this may wear

off; or the patient may soon start to become aware of tremors and

palpatations. " ...

" The first is to understand that the 5'-deiodinase enzymes carrying

out the T4 to T3

conversion may be quite deficient or not even work at all. The build

up of unused T4 is

then inevitable, and within a relatievly short time there may be

toxic levels present with

palpatations, a general lack of well-being, stomach upstes and so on. "

Anyway, thats only a bit of what he mentions in regards to conversion

block.

> > > Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for

conversion not

> > > being up to par.

> > >

> > >> .

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >