Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 In a message dated 05/01/2007 09:59:55 GMT Standard Time, robinahy@... writes: Anyway, selenium is one way of helping the conversion. There is also a product from Nutri Ltd in the UK called T-Convert, it contains something called guggul something or other? Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services http://www.zpointprocess.com?a_aid=d886126e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 In a message dated 05/01/2007 09:59:55 GMT Standard Time, robinahy@... writes: Anyway, selenium is one way of helping the conversion. There is also a product from Nutri Ltd in the UK called T-Convert, it contains something called guggul something or other? Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services http://www.zpointprocess.com?a_aid=d886126e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 > > Does anyone , know how to improve that enzyme deficiency, if it is > even possible? > Selenium plays a role in this. But be careful. If your body is already loaded with T4 that isn't being converted than adding selenium can cause a sudden and rapid conversion - and a feeling of being very hyper and extreme stress on the adrenals. I've not been able to tolerate selenium but that might be what was happening to me. Anyway, selenium is one way of helping the conversion. I've attempted to do a little research in this area and there are several types of 5'-de. enzyme, type I, II and III and it makes my head spin. Dr. Peatfield also suggests that after several weeks of T3 only therapy, T4 can slowly be added back in (or better still armour), although he says it is perfectly ok to stay with T3 indefinitely. It really depends on the individual. Dr. Lowe says that at times people cannot tolerate T4, but he isn't always convinced that it's even a conversion block. He's not sure why this happens. But then again he is more of a CFS specialist, but Dr. Peatfiled quotes to him a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 I can tell you what helped me! It was both the HC for 18 months and using Lugol's Iodine. I am pretty certain iodine is involved with this conversion process. I did not feel good taking iodine orally, but putting 2-4 drops a day on topically which I was doing every day for a while was when I had to actually cut my T3 in half from what I was using. and I have not gone back up though I only use the iodine about 2 times a week now as the stain lasts a long time. At first it was gone in 1.5-2 hours! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 > > How is it different with resistance? > Being resistant means that the T3 receptors can become dormant and/or resistant to T3. Where as a conversion block means your body cannot make T3 from T4. Both can be caused by AF. I think the symptoms are probably the same but, obviously, the solution is not. One is a case of toxic levels of T4 in the system and the other is a case of toxic levels of T3 in the system. (again I'm quoting Dr. Peatfield, The Great Thyroid Scandal..., page 101) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 > > How is it different with resistance? > Being resistant means that the T3 receptors can become dormant and/or resistant to T3. Where as a conversion block means your body cannot make T3 from T4. Both can be caused by AF. I think the symptoms are probably the same but, obviously, the solution is not. One is a case of toxic levels of T4 in the system and the other is a case of toxic levels of T3 in the system. (again I'm quoting Dr. Peatfield, The Great Thyroid Scandal..., page 101) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 > > How is it different with resistance? > Being resistant means that the T3 receptors can become dormant and/or resistant to T3. Where as a conversion block means your body cannot make T3 from T4. Both can be caused by AF. I think the symptoms are probably the same but, obviously, the solution is not. One is a case of toxic levels of T4 in the system and the other is a case of toxic levels of T3 in the system. (again I'm quoting Dr. Peatfield, The Great Thyroid Scandal..., page 101) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 > > There is also a product from Nutri Ltd in the UK called T-Convert, it > contains something called guggul something or other? > Have you actually tried the stufff? Success? Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 > > There is also a product from Nutri Ltd in the UK called T-Convert, it > contains something called guggul something or other? > Have you actually tried the stufff? Success? Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 > > There is also a product from Nutri Ltd in the UK called T-Convert, it > contains something called guggul something or other? > Have you actually tried the stufff? Success? Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 In tissue resistance, I have read the best way to compensate for it to achieve euthroid state at th tissue (cellular) level is to bombard the receptors with T3. But this is true tissue resistance where no matter how much Armour or T4 you take your T3 stays at th bottom of th barrel barely reaching the bottom of it's range when you are screamer hype form the T4 being too high. When T4 is over range you are not likely to feel well at all. I can tell when mine is too high immediately. I am exhausted! But I lower the Armour and add in T3 and this gets me through this s resistance,. which BTW since taking 2-4 drop Lugol's topically and 18months of HC, I need less than HALF the T3 I did before. So between HC and Lugol's, it has opened receptors for me. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 In tissue resistance, I have read the best way to compensate for it to achieve euthroid state at th tissue (cellular) level is to bombard the receptors with T3. But this is true tissue resistance where no matter how much Armour or T4 you take your T3 stays at th bottom of th barrel barely reaching the bottom of it's range when you are screamer hype form the T4 being too high. When T4 is over range you are not likely to feel well at all. I can tell when mine is too high immediately. I am exhausted! But I lower the Armour and add in T3 and this gets me through this s resistance,. which BTW since taking 2-4 drop Lugol's topically and 18months of HC, I need less than HALF the T3 I did before. So between HC and Lugol's, it has opened receptors for me. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 In tissue resistance, I have read the best way to compensate for it to achieve euthroid state at th tissue (cellular) level is to bombard the receptors with T3. But this is true tissue resistance where no matter how much Armour or T4 you take your T3 stays at th bottom of th barrel barely reaching the bottom of it's range when you are screamer hype form the T4 being too high. When T4 is over range you are not likely to feel well at all. I can tell when mine is too high immediately. I am exhausted! But I lower the Armour and add in T3 and this gets me through this s resistance,. which BTW since taking 2-4 drop Lugol's topically and 18months of HC, I need less than HALF the T3 I did before. So between HC and Lugol's, it has opened receptors for me. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 http://www.emedicine.com/med/byname/Euthyroid-Sick-Syndrome.htm Pretty good read here if yo can wade through the medicalese. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Okay,,,,well, this may be well and good, but since I can no longer toelrate Armour at all, and can only tolerate T3. (haven't ever tried timed release) shoudl I jsut not take any kind of thyroid at all then anymore? (Right now, I am not) Maybe 6 months or a year down the road, try it agian? thanks, Inga I wish you would PLEASE not send people to this site. Let me tell you why. First we believe that T3 by itself is JUST as poor a treatment for hypo as T4 alone is. Neither will affect a complete treatment. Personally I think 's Syndrome is BUNK and this is also the consensus of great doctor's like Peatfield. NEXT, I have tried EVERY slow release T3 out there, and they are HORRIBLE. I am one that requires more T3 than Armoru has in it so a GOOD slow releae T3 would have been a great boon to me. On even double the amounts of SRT3 than I take of regular Cytomel, I go seriously hypo. My T3 bottoms out on blood testing and saliva testing. If people need extra T3 they really should just get used to multidosing. It is NOT that hard. I do it every day with working full time, tracking my glucose levels, timing my insulin and once you make it a part of your routine, it is as easy as pie. Next, I have seen several people that have totally trashed their adrenals by being put on T3 meds when they only had weak adrenals. Ask Deborah on the General Thyroid Forum at STTM.. Link in my signature line. She has been battling horrible adrenal problems ever since being put on T3 only meds form a doctor. SO YES o this adrenal forum I ask you PLEASE be cautious recommending T3 meds. They are a life saveer fo r me, but they are NOT the first thing to try in thyroid resistance. Alot of testing is needed to rule out adrenal problems before T3 should evne be tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Okay,,,,well, this may be well and good, but since I can no longer toelrate Armour at all, and can only tolerate T3. (haven't ever tried timed release) shoudl I jsut not take any kind of thyroid at all then anymore? (Right now, I am not) Maybe 6 months or a year down the road, try it agian? thanks, Inga I wish you would PLEASE not send people to this site. Let me tell you why. First we believe that T3 by itself is JUST as poor a treatment for hypo as T4 alone is. Neither will affect a complete treatment. Personally I think 's Syndrome is BUNK and this is also the consensus of great doctor's like Peatfield. NEXT, I have tried EVERY slow release T3 out there, and they are HORRIBLE. I am one that requires more T3 than Armoru has in it so a GOOD slow releae T3 would have been a great boon to me. On even double the amounts of SRT3 than I take of regular Cytomel, I go seriously hypo. My T3 bottoms out on blood testing and saliva testing. If people need extra T3 they really should just get used to multidosing. It is NOT that hard. I do it every day with working full time, tracking my glucose levels, timing my insulin and once you make it a part of your routine, it is as easy as pie. Next, I have seen several people that have totally trashed their adrenals by being put on T3 meds when they only had weak adrenals. Ask Deborah on the General Thyroid Forum at STTM.. Link in my signature line. She has been battling horrible adrenal problems ever since being put on T3 only meds form a doctor. SO YES o this adrenal forum I ask you PLEASE be cautious recommending T3 meds. They are a life saveer fo r me, but they are NOT the first thing to try in thyroid resistance. Alot of testing is needed to rule out adrenal problems before T3 should evne be tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Is your body temp normal? Cholesterol good ranges? these are two things I would be concerned with with NOT treating the thyroid. Sooner or later you will HAVE to if you have Hashi's as it will destroy your thyroid gland and sooner or later it will cease to function. It would be easier on YOU to find out why yo can't tolerate the other meds if possible. have you had adrenal testing done? i shouldn't say adrenal testing, I meant the four times saliva testing. I have also noticed that people with very LOW or very high DHEA levels seem to always have trouble tolerating meds, even HC sometimes. I have a friend I chat with just about every day that has been about a year now just gettign to 7.5-10MG a day of HC. but she is getting there and we hope she will be able to tolerate Armour soon. he also cannot take Synthroid, or Levoxyl but Unithroid seems to not be too bad for her right now, in small doses. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Is your body temp normal? Cholesterol good ranges? these are two things I would be concerned with with NOT treating the thyroid. Sooner or later you will HAVE to if you have Hashi's as it will destroy your thyroid gland and sooner or later it will cease to function. It would be easier on YOU to find out why yo can't tolerate the other meds if possible. have you had adrenal testing done? i shouldn't say adrenal testing, I meant the four times saliva testing. I have also noticed that people with very LOW or very high DHEA levels seem to always have trouble tolerating meds, even HC sometimes. I have a friend I chat with just about every day that has been about a year now just gettign to 7.5-10MG a day of HC. but she is getting there and we hope she will be able to tolerate Armour soon. he also cannot take Synthroid, or Levoxyl but Unithroid seems to not be too bad for her right now, in small doses. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 You know, we are all so uniquely individual. Another forum that I belong to says to NEVER take Lugols and that it trashed the owner's thyroid so that she had to have it surgically removed. She says Lugol's is too dangerous for anybody. And yet, folks here and at other forums are raving about Lugols..... Personally, I think she is being a bit narrow minded and tellng other fols to do absed onher own experience, but it all gets a bit confusing to sort out who says what and why, and which way to go sometimes. Just trying to stay open-minded about what ways may work..... this sounds liek a pretty good battel plab Val...maybe I need to stay off any ind of thyroid for quite soem tiem......and just take H/C and iodine. ~Inga I can tell you what helped me! It was both the HC for 18 months and using Lugol's Iodine. I am pretty certain iodine is involved with this conversion process. I did not feel good taking iodine orally, but putting 2-4 drops a day on topically which I was doing every day for a while was when I had to actually cut my T3 in half from what I was using. and I have not gone back up though I only use the iodine about 2 times a week now as the stain lasts a long time. At first it was gone in 1.5-2 hours! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 You know, we are all so uniquely individual. Another forum that I belong to says to NEVER take Lugols and that it trashed the owner's thyroid so that she had to have it surgically removed. She says Lugol's is too dangerous for anybody. And yet, folks here and at other forums are raving about Lugols..... Personally, I think she is being a bit narrow minded and tellng other fols to do absed onher own experience, but it all gets a bit confusing to sort out who says what and why, and which way to go sometimes. Just trying to stay open-minded about what ways may work..... this sounds liek a pretty good battel plab Val...maybe I need to stay off any ind of thyroid for quite soem tiem......and just take H/C and iodine. ~Inga I can tell you what helped me! It was both the HC for 18 months and using Lugol's Iodine. I am pretty certain iodine is involved with this conversion process. I did not feel good taking iodine orally, but putting 2-4 drops a day on topically which I was doing every day for a while was when I had to actually cut my T3 in half from what I was using. and I have not gone back up though I only use the iodine about 2 times a week now as the stain lasts a long time. At first it was gone in 1.5-2 hours! - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Or the receptor sites can be blocked with heavy metals taking up the spots....same outcome, just a possible, or even probable cause ~Inga Being resistant means that the T3 receptors can become dormant and/or resistant to T3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Or the receptor sites can be blocked with heavy metals taking up the spots....same outcome, just a possible, or even probable cause ~Inga Being resistant means that the T3 receptors can become dormant and/or resistant to T3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 I was reading on a ferritin forum that low ferritin levels will make it difficult to tolerate thyroid hormones and ferritin works to help convert t4 to t3. Have you had your ferritin levels checked? Many have noticed that once they increase their iron, they can increase thyroid meds alot better. D E Renault wrote: Okay,,,,well, this may be well and good, but since I can no longer toelrate Armour at all, and can only tolerate T3. (haven't ever tried timed release) shoudl I jsut not take any kind of thyroid at all then anymore? (Right now, I am not) Maybe 6 months or a year down the road, try it agian? thanks, Inga I wish you would PLEASE not send people to this site. Let me tell you why. First we believe that T3 by itself is JUST as poor a treatment for hypo as T4 alone is. Neither will affect a complete treatment. Personally I think 's Syndrome is BUNK and this is also the consensus of great doctor's like Peatfield. NEXT, I have tried EVERY slow release T3 out there, and they are HORRIBLE. I am one that requires more T3 than Armoru has in it so a GOOD slow releae T3 would have been a great boon to me. On even double the amounts of SRT3 than I take of regular Cytomel, I go seriously hypo. My T3 bottoms out on blood testing and saliva testing. If people need extra T3 they really should just get used to multidosing. It is NOT that hard. I do it every day with working full time, tracking my glucose levels, timing my insulin and once you make it a part of your routine, it is as easy as pie. Next, I have seen several people that have totally trashed their adrenals by being put on T3 meds when they only had weak adrenals. Ask Deborah on the General Thyroid Forum at STTM.. Link in my signature line. She has been battling horrible adrenal problems ever since being put on T3 only meds form a doctor. SO YES o this adrenal forum I ask you PLEASE be cautious recommending T3 meds. They are a life saveer fo r me, but they are NOT the first thing to try in thyroid resistance. Alot of testing is needed to rule out adrenal problems before T3 should evne be tried. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 I was reading on a ferritin forum that low ferritin levels will make it difficult to tolerate thyroid hormones and ferritin works to help convert t4 to t3. Have you had your ferritin levels checked? Many have noticed that once they increase their iron, they can increase thyroid meds alot better. D E Renault wrote: Okay,,,,well, this may be well and good, but since I can no longer toelrate Armour at all, and can only tolerate T3. (haven't ever tried timed release) shoudl I jsut not take any kind of thyroid at all then anymore? (Right now, I am not) Maybe 6 months or a year down the road, try it agian? thanks, Inga I wish you would PLEASE not send people to this site. Let me tell you why. First we believe that T3 by itself is JUST as poor a treatment for hypo as T4 alone is. Neither will affect a complete treatment. Personally I think 's Syndrome is BUNK and this is also the consensus of great doctor's like Peatfield. NEXT, I have tried EVERY slow release T3 out there, and they are HORRIBLE. I am one that requires more T3 than Armoru has in it so a GOOD slow releae T3 would have been a great boon to me. On even double the amounts of SRT3 than I take of regular Cytomel, I go seriously hypo. My T3 bottoms out on blood testing and saliva testing. If people need extra T3 they really should just get used to multidosing. It is NOT that hard. I do it every day with working full time, tracking my glucose levels, timing my insulin and once you make it a part of your routine, it is as easy as pie. Next, I have seen several people that have totally trashed their adrenals by being put on T3 meds when they only had weak adrenals. Ask Deborah on the General Thyroid Forum at STTM.. Link in my signature line. She has been battling horrible adrenal problems ever since being put on T3 only meds form a doctor. SO YES o this adrenal forum I ask you PLEASE be cautious recommending T3 meds. They are a life saveer fo r me, but they are NOT the first thing to try in thyroid resistance. Alot of testing is needed to rule out adrenal problems before T3 should evne be tried. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2007 Report Share Posted January 6, 2007 I was reading on a ferritin forum that low ferritin levels will make it difficult to tolerate thyroid hormones and ferritin works to help convert t4 to t3. Have you had your ferritin levels checked? Many have noticed that once they increase their iron, they can increase thyroid meds alot better. D E Renault wrote: Okay,,,,well, this may be well and good, but since I can no longer toelrate Armour at all, and can only tolerate T3. (haven't ever tried timed release) shoudl I jsut not take any kind of thyroid at all then anymore? (Right now, I am not) Maybe 6 months or a year down the road, try it agian? thanks, Inga I wish you would PLEASE not send people to this site. Let me tell you why. First we believe that T3 by itself is JUST as poor a treatment for hypo as T4 alone is. Neither will affect a complete treatment. Personally I think 's Syndrome is BUNK and this is also the consensus of great doctor's like Peatfield. NEXT, I have tried EVERY slow release T3 out there, and they are HORRIBLE. I am one that requires more T3 than Armoru has in it so a GOOD slow releae T3 would have been a great boon to me. On even double the amounts of SRT3 than I take of regular Cytomel, I go seriously hypo. My T3 bottoms out on blood testing and saliva testing. If people need extra T3 they really should just get used to multidosing. It is NOT that hard. I do it every day with working full time, tracking my glucose levels, timing my insulin and once you make it a part of your routine, it is as easy as pie. Next, I have seen several people that have totally trashed their adrenals by being put on T3 meds when they only had weak adrenals. Ask Deborah on the General Thyroid Forum at STTM.. Link in my signature line. She has been battling horrible adrenal problems ever since being put on T3 only meds form a doctor. SO YES o this adrenal forum I ask you PLEASE be cautious recommending T3 meds. They are a life saveer fo r me, but they are NOT the first thing to try in thyroid resistance. Alot of testing is needed to rule out adrenal problems before T3 should evne be tried. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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