Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 This sounds like exactly what has been going on with me...can no longer convert T4....heart goes nuts on Armour. With Straight T3 I did MUCH better, but them my adrenals got fried, it seems....Tired to gingerly get back on Armour and had horrific panic attacks.....Wish I ahd a way of getting timed release T-3.... ~Inga Found it quicker than I thought. If you actually have the book than chapter 4, case one, two & four talk about conversion block. Chapter 7 is about the adrenal connection and page 101 at the end of that chapter he talks further about the conversion block. Also, chapter 8, especially page 114 he talks a lot about this as well... " The more serious thyroid deficiency will respond only poorly to this regime [T4 therapy], since it takes no account of the adrenal connection, conversion block or receptor uptake resistance. The patient may feel an intial benefit, but within days or weeks this may wear off; or the patient may soon start to become aware of tremors and palpatations. " ... " The first is to understand that the 5'-deiodinase enzymes carrying out the T4 to T3 conversion may be quite deficient or not even work at all. The build up of unused T4 is then inevitable, and within a relatievly short time there may be toxic levels present with palpatations, a general lack of well-being, stomach upstes and so on. " Anyway, thats only a bit of what he mentions in regards to conversion block. > > > Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not > > > being up to par. > > > > > >> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 >>This sounds like exactly what has been going on with me...can no longer convert T4....heart goes nuts on Armour. With Straight T3 I did MUCH better, but them my adrenals got fried, it seems....Tired to gingerly get back on Armour and had horrific panic attacks.....Wish I ahd a way of getting timed release T-3....<< I would be willing to bet that your panick attacks are from weak adrenals and not the Armour. Armoru only brings weak adrenal symptoms out as thyroid cannot get into the cells withotu enough cortisol, then it builds up in the blood ands your adrenals start releasing adrenaline.. then you get trouble! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Val, This could very well be, as I had a year of pure severe stress, and I ahve thought that myself, but why do you suppose I can tolerate 25 mcg of Cytomel but not 1/2 grain of Armour? Do you thik I should double up on the corticosteroids and try a tiny smidgen of Armour again? Currently, I ahve been on nothing anymore except for 2.5 mg of prednisolone. I can't afford to get more h/c right now.... Thanks, Inga >>This sounds like exactly what has been going on with me...can no longer convert T4....heart goes nuts on Armour. With Straight T3 I did MUCH better, but them my adrenals got fried, it seems....Tired to gingerly get back on Armour and had horrific panic attacks.....Wish I ahd a way of getting timed release T-3....<< I would be willing to bet that your panick attacks are from weak adrenals and not the Armour. Armoru only brings weak adrenal symptoms out as thyroid cannot get into the cells withotu enough cortisol, then it builds up in the blood ands your adrenals start releasing adrenaline.. then you get trouble! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Val, This could very well be, as I had a year of pure severe stress, and I ahve thought that myself, but why do you suppose I can tolerate 25 mcg of Cytomel but not 1/2 grain of Armour? Do you thik I should double up on the corticosteroids and try a tiny smidgen of Armour again? Currently, I ahve been on nothing anymore except for 2.5 mg of prednisolone. I can't afford to get more h/c right now.... Thanks, Inga >>This sounds like exactly what has been going on with me...can no longer convert T4....heart goes nuts on Armour. With Straight T3 I did MUCH better, but them my adrenals got fried, it seems....Tired to gingerly get back on Armour and had horrific panic attacks.....Wish I ahd a way of getting timed release T-3....<< I would be willing to bet that your panick attacks are from weak adrenals and not the Armour. Armoru only brings weak adrenal symptoms out as thyroid cannot get into the cells withotu enough cortisol, then it builds up in the blood ands your adrenals start releasing adrenaline.. then you get trouble! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 I know several people that their bodies accept T3 more readily than T4. T4 must be converted to be useful in the body and that takes the proper enzymes and other hormones. But the fact is to get well you need to have that T4 reserve as well as the other thyroid hormones in Armour. You could try doubling the Pred 5MG is close to equivalent of 20MG HC. But I have not found it works as well for AF as HC, so I would try to get some as soon as you can afford it. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 I know several people that their bodies accept T3 more readily than T4. T4 must be converted to be useful in the body and that takes the proper enzymes and other hormones. But the fact is to get well you need to have that T4 reserve as well as the other thyroid hormones in Armour. You could try doubling the Pred 5MG is close to equivalent of 20MG HC. But I have not found it works as well for AF as HC, so I would try to get some as soon as you can afford it. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 What if one is simply not convertng or hardly converting T4 to T3 hardly at all? How would I figure that out? Dunno, but I think it may be a combination of adrenal stress, so that I can not handle the Armour, and not being able to convert the T4 well either. (which is very common among mercury toxic folks) With Straight T3 my temps come up real nice, but with Armour, they NEVER, EVER came up even when I was on so much my heart was racing right away. I used to be on 5 mg prednisolone for a long time, but gradually became unable to tolerate the Armour. Maybe 5 mg of prednisoolone was just not enough for me and the stress I have been under this year. What then? Cut back on Armour, untl my adrenals can handle it again? that's what I tried to do, and then I switched form prednisolonoe to H/C. I felt the best when I slowly got off of Armour and h/c completely, but that only lasted for about 2 months until I crashed. Thoughts? ~Inga I know several people that their bodies accept T3 more readily than T4. T4 must be converted to be useful in the body and that takes the proper enzymes and other hormones. But the fact is to get well you need to have that T4 reserve as well as the other thyroid hormones in Armour. You could try doubling the Pred 5MG is close to equivalent of 20MG HC. But I have not found it works as well for AF as HC, so I would try to get some as soon as you can afford it. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 What if one is simply not convertng or hardly converting T4 to T3 hardly at all? How would I figure that out? Dunno, but I think it may be a combination of adrenal stress, so that I can not handle the Armour, and not being able to convert the T4 well either. (which is very common among mercury toxic folks) With Straight T3 my temps come up real nice, but with Armour, they NEVER, EVER came up even when I was on so much my heart was racing right away. I used to be on 5 mg prednisolone for a long time, but gradually became unable to tolerate the Armour. Maybe 5 mg of prednisoolone was just not enough for me and the stress I have been under this year. What then? Cut back on Armour, untl my adrenals can handle it again? that's what I tried to do, and then I switched form prednisolonoe to H/C. I felt the best when I slowly got off of Armour and h/c completely, but that only lasted for about 2 months until I crashed. Thoughts? ~Inga I know several people that their bodies accept T3 more readily than T4. T4 must be converted to be useful in the body and that takes the proper enzymes and other hormones. But the fact is to get well you need to have that T4 reserve as well as the other thyroid hormones in Armour. You could try doubling the Pred 5MG is close to equivalent of 20MG HC. But I have not found it works as well for AF as HC, so I would try to get some as soon as you can afford it. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 What if one is simply not convertng or hardly converting T4 to T3 hardly at all? How would I figure that out? Dunno, but I think it may be a combination of adrenal stress, so that I can not handle the Armour, and not being able to convert the T4 well either. (which is very common among mercury toxic folks) With Straight T3 my temps come up real nice, but with Armour, they NEVER, EVER came up even when I was on so much my heart was racing right away. I used to be on 5 mg prednisolone for a long time, but gradually became unable to tolerate the Armour. Maybe 5 mg of prednisoolone was just not enough for me and the stress I have been under this year. What then? Cut back on Armour, untl my adrenals can handle it again? that's what I tried to do, and then I switched form prednisolonoe to H/C. I felt the best when I slowly got off of Armour and h/c completely, but that only lasted for about 2 months until I crashed. Thoughts? ~Inga I know several people that their bodies accept T3 more readily than T4. T4 must be converted to be useful in the body and that takes the proper enzymes and other hormones. But the fact is to get well you need to have that T4 reserve as well as the other thyroid hormones in Armour. You could try doubling the Pred 5MG is close to equivalent of 20MG HC. But I have not found it works as well for AF as HC, so I would try to get some as soon as you can afford it. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 >>What if one is simply not convertng or hardly converting T4 to T3 hardly at all? How would I figure that out?<< If you are nto converting well your T4 will continue to rise but your T3 will stay below range. Mine did that for years. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 >>What if one is simply not convertng or hardly converting T4 to T3 hardly at all? How would I figure that out?<< If you are nto converting well your T4 will continue to rise but your T3 will stay below range. Mine did that for years. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 >>What if one is simply not convertng or hardly converting T4 to T3 hardly at all? How would I figure that out?<< If you are nto converting well your T4 will continue to rise but your T3 will stay below range. Mine did that for years. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 On zero Armour for about 2 months, and varying amounts of Cytomel (usually 25 mcg, but I went both higher and lower with no real noticable difference) my Free T4 was at the last number before it would drop off range (low) and my Free T3 was just about smack dab in the middle, or perhaps just a smidgen lower. These are the numbers they got from the first ER visit last month when I went into severe crisis that they told me was not adrenal. (.....since I was not skinny, tan and hypotensive.....LOLOLOL.) I immediately put myself on the equivalent of 40 mg of h/c for abot 2 days,. and then down to abot 30 and then down to 20 and now 10...sort of my own idea, and I think it saved me. (My TSH was 3.17) Do you think that test suggests that I am pretty much converting fairly well then? What if my receptor sites are blocked off and all that stuff is just swimming around, T3 and T4? (Although the T3 raises my temps where the T4 doesn't) I had a doctor do bioenergetic testing on me some time back, and she said there was no use giving me the Armour again at that time becasue she said altohugh I needed it, " my body wasn't using it " . then later on she gave me some (3 grains) anyway...that was just before I found out I coudl get it msyelf...... Thoughts??? Thanks, Inga >>What if one is simply not convertng or hardly converting T4 to T3 hardly at all? How would I figure that out?<< If you are nto converting well your T4 will continue to rise but your T3 will stay below range. Mine did that for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Go to http://www.wilsonstemperaturesyndrome.com He may list doctors that will treat with time released t3. You could also go to a compounding pharmacy and ask who does in your area. Hensley Re: Val - T3 questions Val, This could very well be, as I had a year of pure severe stress, and I ahve thought that myself, but why do you suppose I can tolerate 25 mcg of Cytomel but not 1/2 grain of Armour? Do you thik I should double up on the corticosteroids and try a tiny smidgen of Armour again? Currently, I ahve been on nothing anymore except for 2.5 mg of prednisolone. I can't afford to get more h/c right now.... Thanks, Inga >>This sounds like exactly what has been going on with me...can no longer convert T4....heart goes nuts on Armour. With Straight T3 I did MUCH better, but them my adrenals got fried, it seems....Tired to gingerly get back on Armour and had horrific panic attacks.....Wish I ahd a way of getting timed release T-3....<< I would be willing to bet that your panick attacks are from weak adrenals and not the Armour. Armoru only brings weak adrenal symptoms out as thyroid cannot get into the cells withotu enough cortisol, then it builds up in the blood ands your adrenals start releasing adrenaline.. then you get trouble! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Finding somebody is not the problem....finding the money is.... I appreciate the effort though, .. ~Inga Go to http://www.wilsonstemperaturesyndrome.com He may list doctors that will treat with time released t3. You could also go to a compounding pharmacy and ask who does in your area. Hensley Re: Val - T3 questions Val, This could very well be, as I had a year of pure severe stress, and I ahve thought that myself, but why do you suppose I can tolerate 25 mcg of Cytomel but not 1/2 grain of Armour? Do you thik I should double up on the corticosteroids and try a tiny smidgen of Armour again? Currently, I ahve been on nothing anymore except for 2.5 mg of prednisolone. I can't afford to get more h/c right now.... Thanks, Inga >>This sounds like exactly what has been going on with me...can no longer convert T4....heart goes nuts on Armour. With Straight T3 I did MUCH better, but them my adrenals got fried, it seems....Tired to gingerly get back on Armour and had horrific panic attacks.....Wish I ahd a way of getting timed release T-3....<< I would be willing to bet that your panick attacks are from weak adrenals and not the Armour. Armoru only brings weak adrenal symptoms out as thyroid cannot get into the cells withotu enough cortisol, then it builds up in the blood ands your adrenals start releasing adrenaline.. then you get trouble! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 My thoughts are that you should not speculate abotu adrenal fatigue. You need to have the Canary Club labs done. It will tell you the tissue levels oif thyroid in your body as well as the cortisol rythym. If you have any tyoe of thyroid rsistance this testign wil lshow it up . -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 >>Go to http://www.wilsonstemperaturesyndrome.com He may list doctors that will treat with time released t3.<< I wish you would PLEASE not send people to this site. Let me tell you why. First we believe that T3 by itself is JUST as poor a treatment for hypo as T4 alone is. Neither will affect a complete treatment. Personally I think 's Syndrome is BUNK and this is also the consensus of great doctor's like Peatfield. NEXT, I have tried EVERY slow release T3 out there, and they are HORRIBLE. I am one that requires more T3 than Armoru has in it so a GOOD slow releae T3 would have been a great boon to me. On even double the amounts of SRT3 than I take of regular Cytomel, I go seriously hypo. My T3 bottoms out on blood testing and saliva testing. If people need extra T3 they really should just get used to multidosing. It is NOT that hard. I do it every day with working full time, tracking my glucose levels, timing my insulin and once you make it a part of your routine, it is as easy as pie. Next, I have seen several people that have totally trashed their adrenals by being put on T3 meds when they only had weak adrenals. Ask Deborah on the General Thyroid Forum at STTM.. Link in my signature line. She has been battling horrible adrenal problems ever since being put on T3 only meds form a doctor. SO YES o this adrenal forum I ask you PLEASE be cautious recommending T3 meds. They are a life saveer fo r me, but they are NOT the first thing to try in thyroid resistance. Alot of testing is needed to rule out adrenal problems before T3 should evne be tried. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 What helps convert T4 to T3? I may have this same problem. --- wrote: > I know several people that their bodies accept T3 > more readily than T4. > T4 must be converted to be useful in the body and > that takes the proper > enzymes and other hormones. But the fact is to get > well you need to have > that T4 reserve as well as the other thyroid > hormones in Armour. You > could try doubling the Pred 5MG is close to > equivalent of 20MG HC. But I > have not found it works as well for AF as HC, so I > would try to get some > as soon as you can afford it. > > -- > Artistic > Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store > (Closing after Xmas!!!) > > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 >>What helps convert T4 to T3? I may have this same problem.<< Selenium and cortisol, but too much cortisol stops the conversion as well, so it needs to be right. I tried selenium and it did nothing for me, but on 30MG of HC I was finally able to get my T3 slightly over range for the first time in my life. I feel I was treating HIGH cortiosl thogh and taking HC reset my rythym to more normal levels. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Thanks . I'm always baffled at how you can keep track of all the different things you have to take throughout the day and at specific times....it sure can consume your mind! --- T wrote: > >>What helps convert T4 to T3? I may have this same > problem.<< > > Selenium and cortisol, but too much cortisol stops > the conversion as well, so it needs to be right. I > tried selenium and it did nothing for me, but on > 30MG of HC I was finally able to get my T3 slightly > over range for the first time in my life. I feel I > was treating HIGH cortiosl thogh and taking HC reset > my rythym to more normal levels. > > -- > Artistic > Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 >First we believe that T3 by itself is JUST as poor a treatment for hypo as T4 alone is. Neither will affect a complete treatment. Personally I think 's Syndrome is BUNK and >this is also the consensus of great doctor's like Peatfield. Dr. Peatfield is also NOT a fan of 's Syndrome but he DOES prescribe T3 only treatment in extreme cases of t4 to t3 conversion problems. (he does not use T3 in the same manner as Dr. , he uses it differently) . I will glady post direct quotes from his book. > SO YES o this adrenal forum I ask you PLEASE be cautious recommending T3 meds. They are a life saveer fo r me, but they are NOT the first thing to try in thyroid resistance. Alot of testing is needed to rule out adrenal problems before T3 should evne be tried. > I agree but Dr. peatfield use T3 only treatment for conversion problems NOT resistance problems - these are seperate issues...at least according to Dr. Peatfield. Again I can post quotes. And just as taking T3 can damage weak adrenals so can taking t4 with conversion block problems. Taking T4 with an extreme conversion block will wreak hovoc on already weak adrenals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 >> Taking T4 with an extreme conversion block will wreak hovoc on already weak adrenals.<< WE are in com0plete agreement. I have even seen Dr Peatfield give T3 to a person wiht severe adrenal fatigue but only with WAY more adrenal support than I would feel comfy recommending! LOL Actually I believe it was the 25 years I was on T4 meds that finally trashed my adrneals. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 How is it different with resistance? -- Re: Val - T3 questions >First we believe that T3 by itself is JUST as poor a treatment for hypo as T4 alone is. Neither will affect a complete treatment. Personally I think 's Syndrome is BUNK and >this is also the consensus of great doctor's like Peatfield. Dr. Peatfield is also NOT a fan of 's Syndrome but he DOES prescribe T3 only treatment in extreme cases of t4 to t3 conversion problems. (he does not use T3 in the same manner as Dr. , he uses it differently) . I will glady post direct quotes from his book. > SO YES o this adrenal forum I ask you PLEASE be cautious recommending T3 meds. They are a life saveer fo r me, but they are NOT the first thing to try in thyroid resistance. Alot of testing is needed to rule out adrenal problems before T3 should evne be tried. > I agree but Dr. peatfield use T3 only treatment for conversion problems NOT resistance problems - these are seperate issues...at least according to Dr. Peatfield. Again I can post quotes. And just as taking T3 can damage weak adrenals so can taking t4 with conversion block problems. Taking T4 with an extreme conversion block will wreak hovoc on already weak adrenals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 Recently someone referenced pg 114 of Peatfield & 5-deiodinase enzyme deficiency with regard to poor T4 -> T3 conversion. OK...I'm being lazy & didn't look it up... Does anyone , know how to improve that enzyme deficiency, if it is even possible? > > >> Taking T4 with an extreme conversion block will wreak hovoc on already weak > adrenals.<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2007 Report Share Posted January 4, 2007 In a message dated 05/01/2007 09:59:55 GMT Standard Time, robinahy@... writes: Anyway, selenium is one way of helping the conversion. There is also a product from Nutri Ltd in the UK called T-Convert, it contains something called guggul something or other? Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services http://www.zpointprocess.com?a_aid=d886126e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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