Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Yes I take additional T3. I have tried several TR T3 and not found them to work AT ALL, so I take four doses a day. I swallow it as you do not want it to hit your system fast, slower is better with this and I take it with or without food as the dosing falls. Usually my AM dose I do take before breakfast but the other doses do into fall during meal times which I am rigorous about timing so to help control my glucose better. So I take 12.5 at 6AM, 12.5 at 10 am 12.5 at 2 PM and 12.5 at bedtime. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Yes I take additional T3. I have tried several TR T3 and not found them to work AT ALL, so I take four doses a day. I swallow it as you do not want it to hit your system fast, slower is better with this and I take it with or without food as the dosing falls. Usually my AM dose I do take before breakfast but the other doses do into fall during meal times which I am rigorous about timing so to help control my glucose better. So I take 12.5 at 6AM, 12.5 at 10 am 12.5 at 2 PM and 12.5 at bedtime. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 So you currently take 50 mg...wow! I'm only at 20 mg, day 2 (started with 5 mg 10 days ago and I'm working up slowly). Yesterday I split my dose and today I didn't - no difference noticed. But, 2 days into 20 mg dosing might not mean much in regards to split dosing. In any case, what should I watch out for as a reason that I should be split dosing? (My T3 in German and so are the instructions - I can only read about 50%) BTW or FYI (maybe interesting or maybe not)... I re-read Dr. Peatfields book for the 100th time and noticed he repeatedly comments about people with long standing untreated hypoT with/without adrenal fatigue having a really hard time with T4 to T3 conversion. Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not being up to par. He comments that this can happen with synthetic T4 as well as the T4 found in Armour - that basically T4 is toxic to the system. So I'm giving this possibility a good look into. Certainly if T4 isn't being converted and it's toxic to my system that would clearly explain why 10 mg pred has no effect on me as well as all of my other bassackward symptoms. day 24 without T4 day 10 with T3 Sorry but I still wasn't sure about whether or not things like iron can interfer with T3 in the same was as T4. I'm doing research in this area and haven't found anything specific yet. The only thing so far is that T4 has a 50 to 75 % absorption rate where as T3 is 99% - or something like that. That's according to the armour info. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 So you currently take 50 mg...wow! I'm only at 20 mg, day 2 (started with 5 mg 10 days ago and I'm working up slowly). Yesterday I split my dose and today I didn't - no difference noticed. But, 2 days into 20 mg dosing might not mean much in regards to split dosing. In any case, what should I watch out for as a reason that I should be split dosing? (My T3 in German and so are the instructions - I can only read about 50%) BTW or FYI (maybe interesting or maybe not)... I re-read Dr. Peatfields book for the 100th time and noticed he repeatedly comments about people with long standing untreated hypoT with/without adrenal fatigue having a really hard time with T4 to T3 conversion. Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not being up to par. He comments that this can happen with synthetic T4 as well as the T4 found in Armour - that basically T4 is toxic to the system. So I'm giving this possibility a good look into. Certainly if T4 isn't being converted and it's toxic to my system that would clearly explain why 10 mg pred has no effect on me as well as all of my other bassackward symptoms. day 24 without T4 day 10 with T3 Sorry but I still wasn't sure about whether or not things like iron can interfer with T3 in the same was as T4. I'm doing research in this area and haven't found anything specific yet. The only thing so far is that T4 has a 50 to 75 % absorption rate where as T3 is 99% - or something like that. That's according to the armour info. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Can you tell me the name of Dr. Peatfield's book? Thanks, Re: Val - T3 questions So you currently take 50 mg...wow! I'm only at 20 mg, day 2 (started with 5 mg 10 days ago and I'm working up slowly). Yesterday I split my dose and today I didn't - no difference noticed. But, 2 days into 20 mg dosing might not mean much in regards to split dosing. In any case, what should I watch out for as a reason that I should be split dosing? (My T3 in German and so are the instructions - I can only read about 50%) BTW or FYI (maybe interesting or maybe not)... I re-read Dr. Peatfields book for the 100th time and noticed he repeatedly comments about people with long standing untreated hypoT with/without adrenal fatigue having a really hard time with T4 to T3 conversion. Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not being up to par. He comments that this can happen with synthetic T4 as well as the T4 found in Armour - that basically T4 is toxic to the system. So I'm giving this possibility a good look into. Certainly if T4 isn't being converted and it's toxic to my system that would clearly explain why 10 mg pred has no effect on me as well as all of my other bassackward symptoms. day 24 without T4 day 10 with T3 Sorry but I still wasn't sure about whether or not things like iron can interfer with T3 in the same was as T4. I'm doing research in this area and haven't found anything specific yet. The only thing so far is that T4 has a 50 to 75 % absorption rate where as T3 is 99% - or something like that. That's according to the armour info. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Can you tell me the name of Dr. Peatfield's book? Thanks, Re: Val - T3 questions So you currently take 50 mg...wow! I'm only at 20 mg, day 2 (started with 5 mg 10 days ago and I'm working up slowly). Yesterday I split my dose and today I didn't - no difference noticed. But, 2 days into 20 mg dosing might not mean much in regards to split dosing. In any case, what should I watch out for as a reason that I should be split dosing? (My T3 in German and so are the instructions - I can only read about 50%) BTW or FYI (maybe interesting or maybe not)... I re-read Dr. Peatfields book for the 100th time and noticed he repeatedly comments about people with long standing untreated hypoT with/without adrenal fatigue having a really hard time with T4 to T3 conversion. Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not being up to par. He comments that this can happen with synthetic T4 as well as the T4 found in Armour - that basically T4 is toxic to the system. So I'm giving this possibility a good look into. Certainly if T4 isn't being converted and it's toxic to my system that would clearly explain why 10 mg pred has no effect on me as well as all of my other bassackward symptoms. day 24 without T4 day 10 with T3 Sorry but I still wasn't sure about whether or not things like iron can interfer with T3 in the same was as T4. I'm doing research in this area and haven't found anything specific yet. The only thing so far is that T4 has a 50 to 75 % absorption rate where as T3 is 99% - or something like that. That's according to the armour info. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 >>Can you tell me the name of Dr. Peatfield's book?<< Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Robin, Was there a reference listed for what enzyme was needed for the conversion? Linn > Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not > being up to par. > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Robin, Was there a reference listed for what enzyme was needed for the conversion? Linn > Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not > being up to par. > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 I don't have the book Val is talking about...must be a newer one than I have. I was referring to the book: The Great Thyroid Scandal and How to Survive it. > > Can you tell me the name of Dr. Peatfield's book? > > Thanks, > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 I don't have the book Val is talking about...must be a newer one than I have. I was referring to the book: The Great Thyroid Scandal and How to Survive it. > > Can you tell me the name of Dr. Peatfield's book? > > Thanks, > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Linn, Yeah, but give me a few hours to go through the book (have to walk the dog first) and I can quote or give page numbers for a lot of the details. Do you have the book : The Great Thyroid Scandal... Roughly the enzyme is 5'-d something. > > Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not > > being up to par. > > > >> . > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Linn, Yeah, but give me a few hours to go through the book (have to walk the dog first) and I can quote or give page numbers for a lot of the details. Do you have the book : The Great Thyroid Scandal... Roughly the enzyme is 5'-d something. > > Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not > > being up to par. > > > >> . > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Found it quicker than I thought. If you actually have the book than chapter 4, case one, two & four talk about conversion block. Chapter 7 is about the adrenal connection and page 101 at the end of that chapter he talks further about the conversion block. Also, chapter 8, especially page 114 he talks a lot about this as well... " The more serious thyroid deficiency will respond only poorly to this regime [T4 therapy], since it takes no account of the adrenal connection, conversion block or receptor uptake resistance. The patient may feel an intial benefit, but within days or weeks this may wear off; or the patient may soon start to become aware of tremors and palpatations. " .... " The first is to understand that the 5'-deiodinase enzymes carrying out the T4 to T3 conversion may be quite deficient or not even work at all. The build up of unused T4 is then inevitable, and within a relatievly short time there may be toxic levels present with palpatations, a general lack of well-being, stomach upstes and so on. " Anyway, thats only a bit of what he mentions in regards to conversion block. > > > Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not > > > being up to par. > > > > > >> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Found it quicker than I thought. If you actually have the book than chapter 4, case one, two & four talk about conversion block. Chapter 7 is about the adrenal connection and page 101 at the end of that chapter he talks further about the conversion block. Also, chapter 8, especially page 114 he talks a lot about this as well... " The more serious thyroid deficiency will respond only poorly to this regime [T4 therapy], since it takes no account of the adrenal connection, conversion block or receptor uptake resistance. The patient may feel an intial benefit, but within days or weeks this may wear off; or the patient may soon start to become aware of tremors and palpatations. " .... " The first is to understand that the 5'-deiodinase enzymes carrying out the T4 to T3 conversion may be quite deficient or not even work at all. The build up of unused T4 is then inevitable, and within a relatievly short time there may be toxic levels present with palpatations, a general lack of well-being, stomach upstes and so on. " Anyway, thats only a bit of what he mentions in regards to conversion block. > > > Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not > > > being up to par. > > > > > >> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 > Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy > How does that compare to his first book; The Great Thyroid Scandal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 > Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy > How does that compare to his first book; The Great Thyroid Scandal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 >Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy > How does that compare to his first book; The Great Thyroid Scandal...<< I am not sure as I never read the first one. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 >Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy > How does that compare to his first book; The Great Thyroid Scandal...<< I am not sure as I never read the first one. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 not sure but I think the second book is just an updated version, a bit more info added Lynda > >Your Thyroid and How to Keep it Healthy >> > > > How does that compare to his first book; The Great Thyroid > Scandal...<< > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Robin, No, I don't have the book, but was interested because I noticed that this time around taking Armour I have done tremendously better while taking enzymes than when I took it without them. Was just curious what enzyme was referred to, if it was a systemic enzyme or what kind it was. Linn > Linn, > > Yeah, but give me a few hours to go through the book (have to walk > the dog first) and I > can quote or give page numbers for a lot of the details. Do you > have the book : The Great > Thyroid Scandal... > > Roughly the enzyme is 5'-d something. > > --- >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Robin, No, I don't have the book, but was interested because I noticed that this time around taking Armour I have done tremendously better while taking enzymes than when I took it without them. Was just curious what enzyme was referred to, if it was a systemic enzyme or what kind it was. Linn > Linn, > > Yeah, but give me a few hours to go through the book (have to walk > the dog first) and I > can quote or give page numbers for a lot of the details. Do you > have the book : The Great > Thyroid Scandal... > > Roughly the enzyme is 5'-d something. > > --- >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Thanks Robin, I did a quick glance at this enzyme. It would make sense that the better your liver and kidneys are functioning the less chance of having a conversion problem. I'll try and read up later in the week. Linn > Found it quicker than I thought. If you actually have the book than > chapter 4, case one, > two & four talk about conversion block. Chapter 7 is about the > adrenal connection and > page 101 at the end of that chapter he talks further about the > conversion block. > > Also, chapter 8, especially page 114 he talks a lot about this as > well... > > " The more serious thyroid deficiency will respond only poorly to > this regime [T4 therapy], > since it takes no account of the adrenal connection, conversion > block or receptor uptake > resistance. The patient may feel an intial benefit, but within days > or weeks this may wear > off; or the patient may soon start to become aware of tremors and > palpatations. " ... > > " The first is to understand that the 5'-deiodinase enzymes carrying > out the T4 to T3 > conversion may be quite deficient or not even work at all. The > build up of unused T4 is > then inevitable, and within a relatievly short time there may be > toxic levels present with > palpatations, a general lack of well-being, stomach upstes and so on. " > > Anyway, thats only a bit of what he mentions in regards to > conversion block. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Thanks Robin, I did a quick glance at this enzyme. It would make sense that the better your liver and kidneys are functioning the less chance of having a conversion problem. I'll try and read up later in the week. Linn > Found it quicker than I thought. If you actually have the book than > chapter 4, case one, > two & four talk about conversion block. Chapter 7 is about the > adrenal connection and > page 101 at the end of that chapter he talks further about the > conversion block. > > Also, chapter 8, especially page 114 he talks a lot about this as > well... > > " The more serious thyroid deficiency will respond only poorly to > this regime [T4 therapy], > since it takes no account of the adrenal connection, conversion > block or receptor uptake > resistance. The patient may feel an intial benefit, but within days > or weeks this may wear > off; or the patient may soon start to become aware of tremors and > palpatations. " ... > > " The first is to understand that the 5'-deiodinase enzymes carrying > out the T4 to T3 > conversion may be quite deficient or not even work at all. The > build up of unused T4 is > then inevitable, and within a relatievly short time there may be > toxic levels present with > palpatations, a general lack of well-being, stomach upstes and so on. " > > Anyway, thats only a bit of what he mentions in regards to > conversion block. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 This sounds like exactly what has been going on with me...can no longer convert T4....heart goes nuts on Armour. With Straight T3 I did MUCH better, but them my adrenals got fried, it seems....Tired to gingerly get back on Armour and had horrific panic attacks.....Wish I ahd a way of getting timed release T-3.... ~Inga Found it quicker than I thought. If you actually have the book than chapter 4, case one, two & four talk about conversion block. Chapter 7 is about the adrenal connection and page 101 at the end of that chapter he talks further about the conversion block. Also, chapter 8, especially page 114 he talks a lot about this as well... " The more serious thyroid deficiency will respond only poorly to this regime [T4 therapy], since it takes no account of the adrenal connection, conversion block or receptor uptake resistance. The patient may feel an intial benefit, but within days or weeks this may wear off; or the patient may soon start to become aware of tremors and palpatations. " ... " The first is to understand that the 5'-deiodinase enzymes carrying out the T4 to T3 conversion may be quite deficient or not even work at all. The build up of unused T4 is then inevitable, and within a relatievly short time there may be toxic levels present with palpatations, a general lack of well-being, stomach upstes and so on. " Anyway, thats only a bit of what he mentions in regards to conversion block. > > > Something about a problem with the enzyme needed for conversion not > > > being up to par. > > > > > >> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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