suicide

[Guest guest]

Chan,

Are you taking probiotics?

S

>

I get up and feel better today, but still suicidal. I don't have <BR>

energy. I can't smile. All the bad things happened in my life appear <BR>

in my brain again and again...<BR>

<BR>

I have followed the protocaol of Andy's. Yesterday I started another <BR>

round of chelation again. I lowered the dosage and take it more <BR>

frequently. I hope I will feel better soon, and not to hurt somebody. <BR>

I feel violent also.<BR>

<BR>

Thanks for your care.<BR>

Chan.<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

> Did you increase the dose you are using? Are you using enough <BR>

vitamin c and vitamin e etc.? Are you using ALA every 3 hours? Or <BR>

DMSA every 4 hours? Or DMPS every 8 hours? Did you have all your <BR>

amalgam removed before you started to chelate? If you are using ALA - <BR>

did you wait for at least 3 months after amalgam removal before you <BR>

started chelation?<BR>

> <BR>

> If I was felling really bad with chelation, I would consider to <BR>

reduce the dosage, to take the chelator more frequently during the <BR>

rounds, possibly to do longer rounds and to have longer breaks in <BR>

between. I might also increase vitamin c ect.<BR>

> <BR>

> I hope find a way of feeling better again soon.<BR>

> <BR>

> All the best,<BR>

> <BR>

> Dagmar.<BR>

>   [ ] Suicide<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

>   Dear all,<BR>

> <BR>

>   I am now on the 11 rounds of chelation. I felt so good when I had <BR>

>   completed the 5 round of chelation. However, since the completion <BR>

of <BR>

>   7 round, I got so much suicidal thought. I want to committ <BR>

suicide <BR>

>   now. I feel I am nothing. I am a rubbish in this world. I have <BR>

been <BR>

>   poisoned with mercury chronically by the amalgam filling since I <BR>

was <BR>

>   8. It is 20 years now. I studied a lot of stuff about mercury <BR>

>   poisoning symptoms. I got ALL. I have been very ill physically <BR>

and <BR>

>   mentally. I have been very easily upset and embarassed. I think <BR>

very <BR>

>   negatively. I now feel that eveyone hates me. I have no hope. <BR>

What <BR>

>   happened to me. I know my OCD returned recently, and it is much <BR>

>   stronger. What happened? Will I get better when I go on for some <BR>

>   more rounds of chelation?<BR>

> <BR>

>   Thanks,<BR>

>   Chan.<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

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[Guest guest]

Hi again!

I'm so happy you have your mother to help you.

Yes, soon after your removal...it's a very bad time. That first year

was very very hard for me.

Someone mentioned yeast. And yes, you can have any number of

opportunistic infections right now. If I were you right now I would

start slow and ramp up (increase the dose) of very bitter yeast-

killing supplements. One of my favorite is grapefruit seed extract.

Can you get that there? If not, I would be happy to send you some at

no charge to you. It's a good thing to take every day because it

creates and environment that the bad bacteria don't like but it keeps

the good bacteria there where they are needed. I still take it daily

even now that I'm much better. I really didn't start getting better

until I started addressing the infection issue. I was so overrun

with....sommmmmething...that the effects of that were harming me much

more than the mercury, although yes, the mercury is the reason they

were there. I took several weeks of antibiotics and it pulled me out

of a 2 year nightmare. I don't recommend antibiotics to everyone but

I tried the herbs and they weren't enough to kill it off to the

extent I needed. I'd always relapse after.

Selenium will make you feel terrible. If you're taking that, when

things get bad, stop taking it for awhile.

You're not alone!!!! There are thousands of people around the world

who feel this alone and who are as frightened and frustrated as you

are. I will say that there are lessons and gifts in this illness and

I despaired a lot less when I started to understand that. I saw that

it wasn't a pointless suffering and I wasn't just a victim, that this

was part of my life plan. Things have come from being sick, I

changed as a person, in a way I needed to change in order to do be

the kind of person I wanted to be in this world. I really truly

believe that people who get this sick are going through a personal

transformation. And suffering is a wonderful teacher...I'm sure you

are here to do good things for the world.

" Even if for years out efforts seem to be producing no result, one

day a light that is in exact proportion to them will flood the soul. "

-- Dr. Weil

He's right.

You are not only not weak, not bad, not cruel...you, like all of us,

deserve a standing ovation for your courage to keep fighting day

after day. It is something as worthy of recognition as any olympic

record. All who survive this deserve to have a gold medal laid

around their necks, while the band plays and the stadium cheers. We

won't get it but you can be sure others who have gone through this

know what you have endured.

Jen

[Guest guest]

<BR>

> > Did you increase the dose you are using? Are you using enough <BR>

> vitamin c and vitamin e etc.? Are you using ALA every 3 hours? Or

<BR>

> DMSA every 4 hours? Or DMPS every 8 hours? Did you have all your

<BR>

> amalgam removed before you started to chelate? If you are using

ALA - <BR>

> did you wait for at least 3 months after amalgam removal before you

<BR>

> started chelation?<BR>

> > <BR>

> > If I was felling really bad with chelation, I would consider to

<BR>

> reduce the dosage, to take the chelator more frequently during the

<BR>

> rounds, possibly to do longer rounds and to have longer breaks in

<BR>

> between. I might also increase vitamin c ect.<BR>

> > <BR>

> > I hope find a way of feeling better again soon.<BR>

> > <BR>

> > All the best,<BR>

> > <BR>

> > Dagmar.<BR>

> >? [ ] Suicide<BR>

> > <BR>

> > <BR>

> >? Dear all,<BR>

> > <BR>

> >? I am now on the 11 rounds of chelation. I felt so good when I

had <BR>

> >? completed the 5 round of chelation. However, since the

completion <BR>

> of <BR>

> >? 7 round, I got so much suicidal thought. I want to committ <BR>

> suicide <BR>

> >? now. I feel I am nothing. I am a rubbish in this world. I have

<BR>

> been <BR>

> >? poisoned with mercury chronically by the amalgam filling since I

<BR>

> was <BR>

> >? 8. It is 20 years now. I studied a lot of stuff about mercury

<BR>

> >? poisoning symptoms. I got ALL. I have been very ill physically

<BR>

> and <BR>

> >? mentally. I have been very easily upset and embarassed. I think

<BR>

> very <BR>

> >? negatively. I now feel that eveyone hates me. I have no hope.

<BR>

> What <BR>

> >? happened to me. I know my OCD returned recently, and it is much

<BR>

> >? stronger. What happened? Will I get better when I go on for some

<BR>

> >? more rounds of chelation?<BR>

> > <BR>

> >? Thanks,<BR>

> >? Chan.<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

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>

> <br><br>

> <tt>

> =======================================================<BR>

>

[Guest guest]

> I get up and feel better today, but still suicidal. I don't have

> energy. I can't smile. All the bad things happened in my life

appear

> in my brain again and again...

>

> I have followed the protocaol of Andy's. Yesterday I started

another

> round of chelation again. I lowered the dosage and take it more

> frequently. I hope I will feel better soon, and not to hurt

somebody.

> I feel violent also.

>

> Thanks for your care.

> Chan.

Dear Chan,

I wish I knew the " best " things to tell you to help you

with these difficult feelings.

I agree with what others have posted about getting support.

I hope this difficult time will be short, but the main thing

is to address it as best you can, and get help from others

as well.

Other things you can consider:

--supplements can have a lot of effect on moods. You need

both to get enough vitamins and minerals, and to NOT use

supplements that are disruptive and upsetting to you.

This is not always easy to figure out, but it is important.

--aerobic exercise can be VERY helpful for depression and

suicidal feelings. It may take a week or two to help.

It works VERY well for me, but I find it hard to do.

good wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

>

> my problem is purely psychological and I know that

> when I take ALA, I get very close to the edge (psychologically).

> I am worried that I may comit suicide when it comes to the time

where > I must take ALA.

-- load up with biotin and pantethine before and after ALA rounds and

take these supps between doses

also take adrenal cortex, olive leaf extract and plenty of probiotics

check the files section to see that you are taking adequate amounts of

supps, esp B vitamins, C, antioxidants, omega 3s

If problems persist despite these measures, stop taking ALA and

chelate with DMSA or DMPS for a while

Steve

[Guest guest]

> -- load up with biotin and pantethine before and after ALA rounds

and

> take these supps between doses

> also take adrenal cortex, olive leaf extract and plenty of probiotics

> check the files section to see that you are taking adequate amounts

of

> supps, esp B vitamins, C, antioxidants, omega 3s

>

crikes.

Thanks Steve. Makes me realise that I know very little and I thought I

knew alot with the Cutler book.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I find that Selemium helps and St 's Wort helps. I've been there,

hang in there....

>

> I posted b4 about 'doing myself in' but I think that was misunderstood

> as making myself ill.

> Just to clarify, my problem is purely psychological and I know that

> when I take ALA, I get very close to the edge (psychologically).

> I am worried that I may comit suicide when it comes to the time where

> I must take ALA.

> I have noone around me and dont know what to do.

> Can anyone advise me of what may help...

> pre-emptive protection you may call it.

> thanks

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/20/2006 3:56:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes:

Have any of you contemplate it or attempt it?What motivated you to try it?What caused you to fail or to change your mind?Is life worth living now that you have survived? Or has it stayed the same or gotten worse?TomAdministrator

I've thought of it a few times, but never even made the attempt. I don't really remember what caused me to consider it at the time. I do know what made me not do it was a refusal to surrender to whatever the problem was. That was probably for the best since I can't even remember what those problems were anymore and things are better than they were.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/20/2006 3:56:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes:

Have any of you contemplate it or attempt it?What motivated you to try it?What caused you to fail or to change your mind?Is life worth living now that you have survived? Or has it stayed the same or gotten worse?TomAdministrator

I've thought of it a few times, but never even made the attempt. I don't really remember what caused me to consider it at the time. I do know what made me not do it was a refusal to surrender to whatever the problem was. That was probably for the best since I can't even remember what those problems were anymore and things are better than they were.

[Guest guest]

I can tell you one thing about suicide that is irrefutable ... it

steals from everyone in ways that no one can imagine until it touches

their lives personally.

Raven

>

> Do any of you ever think of committing suicide? Or have you

attempted

> it ever? What were your reasons for your thoughts or actions?

>

> Tom

> Administrator

>

[Guest guest]

>

> " Have any of you contemplate it or attempt it?

>

> What motivated you to try it?

>

> What caused you to fail or to change your mind?

>

> Is life worth living now that you have survived? Or has it stayed the

> same or gotten worse? "

When I went off to college I got depressed. My father and stepmother

were giving me the cold shoulder, not talking to me, which was the last

straw for me from unloving parents, I just broke up with my boyfriend

who I loved, college was difficult for me and I missed my friends. I

became suicidal. I told my roomate, 'wouldn't it be easier just to

drift away' or something like that and she told the floor monitor or

whatever they're called, and they called my parents. This was right

before spring break and when I came home my parents said that they

heard I was having trouble and they were going to take me to the doctor

for some tests. I thought that meant they cared so I felt better. Then

they dropped me off at a psych hospital (I was talking away to them in

the car on the way there, not noticing, just thinking it was a regular

hospital we pulled up to, also not noticing that they weren't saying

anything). When I realized what they had done and I was locked in I

went ballistic, screaming and crying. They shot me up with thorazine.

They checked on me every 15 minutes, waking me up all night. Other than

the food and a few people/therapists I hated it and made plans to

escape. I was in there 3 weeks until my father's insurance ran out and

he picked me up, saying that he didn't like the doctors. I have to

admit it did shock me out of my suicide state which overall was worth

it of course, though the breaking of trust that occurred for my parents

as a result of what they did and how they did it (instead of caring

enough to talk to me) was permanent. I moved out a few months later and

did much better emotionally away from them, though I had problems being

on my own. Nothing ever was so bad again and I think it was in part due

to the fact that I wouldn't let myself get that depressed again. I had

a lot of bad times since then but things are good now.

[Guest guest]

>

> " I can tell you one thing about suicide that is irrefutable ... it

> steals from everyone in ways that no one can imagine until it touches

> their lives personally. "

The thought of what one's suicide would do to the survivors often stops

people from doing it, though being unhappy enough to want to commit

suicide means one is so so unhappy that they just want out, they can't

bear it anymore.

But the mental anguish for the survivors-it wasn't an accident, but a

purposeful act and that can really mess up the family members, between

wondering if they were partially at fault to taking such a bitter

abnormal act as a cruel selfish act against them.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, but what causes suicide steals the most from the person who

commits it.

Tom

Administrator

I can tell you one thing about suicide that is irrefutable ... it

steals from everyone in ways that no one can imagine until it touches

their lives personally.

Raven

[Guest guest]

Yes, but what causes suicide steals the most from the person who

commits it.

Tom

Administrator

I can tell you one thing about suicide that is irrefutable ... it

steals from everyone in ways that no one can imagine until it touches

their lives personally.

Raven

[Guest guest]

True but this does not negate the fact that suicide steals from many,

not just the one.

Raven

>

> I can tell you one thing about suicide that is irrefutable ... it

> steals from everyone in ways that no one can imagine until it touches

> their lives personally.

>

> Raven

>

[Guest guest]

True but this does not negate the fact that suicide steals from many,

not just the one.

Raven

>

> I can tell you one thing about suicide that is irrefutable ... it

> steals from everyone in ways that no one can imagine until it touches

> their lives personally.

>

> Raven

>

[Guest guest]

I think she may have had other problems beside Asperger. Betty

mytwoboys97_00 <mytwoboys97_00@...> wrote:

Saturday, January 6, 2007

The daughter of legendary songwriter BURT BACHARACH has committed

suicide at her Thousand Oaks, Los Angeles home on Thursday (04JAN07)

night.

NIKKI BACHARACH, the daughter of Bacharach and actress ANGIE

DICKINSON, was diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome following her

premature birth in 1966.

A statement read, " She quietly and peacefully committed suicide to

escape the ravages to her brain brought on by Asperger's. "

MIKE FEILER of the Ventura County coroner's office confirmed Nikki

died of suffocation using a plastic bag and helium.

Her RAINDROPS KEEP FALLING ON MY HEAD hitmaker father documented her

obsessive routines and extreme sensitivity to sounds, smells and

tastes in his 1971 song NIKKI.

She was 40 years old. (NCL/WNWR & WNWA/MEH)

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

This is so sad. This really opens my eyes.

Liz

mytwoboys97_00 <mytwoboys97_00@...> wrote:

Saturday, January 6, 2007

The daughter of legendary songwriter BURT BACHARACH has committed

suicide at her Thousand Oaks, Los Angeles home on Thursday (04JAN07)

night.

NIKKI BACHARACH, the daughter of Bacharach and actress ANGIE

DICKINSON, was diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome following her

premature birth in 1966.

A statement read, " She quietly and peacefully committed suicide to

escape the ravages to her brain brought on by Asperger's. "

MIKE FEILER of the Ventura County coroner's office confirmed Nikki

died of suffocation using a plastic bag and helium.

Her RAINDROPS KEEP FALLING ON MY HEAD hitmaker father documented her

obsessive routines and extreme sensitivity to sounds, smells and

tastes in his 1971 song NIKKI.

She was 40 years old. (NCL/WNWR & WNWA/MEH)

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Wow. How sad. I agree that she probably had more problems than just AS. Most

AS people have at least one co-morbid disorder (even if it is not

diagnosed).

My prayers go out to her family.

[Guest guest]

When reading of co-morbids, I think this is interesting.

If a person has BiPolar Affective Disorder and AD/HD, that person will also have

Asperger's. If you make a list of the symptoms of each disorder, that list will

share enough of the symptoms of Asperger's that they will meet the criteria of

the list of Asperger's. There will also be a sufficient number of symptoms to

meet the qualifications criteria for Asperger's. I was dx'd with B.A.D. in '87,

and adult ADD in '95. I have wondered about Asperger's since I learned about it

2 years ago. I fit the descriptions very well. I became curious and began

looking into the dx criteria for each of them. The first thing I found is that a

person can have B.A.D. and Asperger's or ADD and Asperger's, but Asperger's

alone will not meet the criteria for either of the other 2, but having B.A.D.

and ADD will result in having all 3.

Dave

( ) Re:Suicide

Wow. How sad. I agree that she probably had more problems than just AS. Most

AS people have at least one co-morbid disorder (even if it is not

diagnosed).

My prayers go out to her family.

[Guest guest]

i really don't know how.

> I know eventually I will probably take my own life.

I know that this is an old post, but , I so hope you

don't do that. I very much understand the feelings, but please think

about what it will do to the people around

you, especially if you have children.

I have been tempted on occasion but know that it would

probably literally kill my son and so I know as long

as my kids and husband are alive I can't do that.

I still mourn the suicide of a boyfriend 20 years ago.

On the other hand, it is your life and it sounds

like you are very much in pain.

I, too, wonder how I will live with this for the

next 40 years. I really don't want to.

So, I know I keep jumping back and forth here, but

I really hope that you can stay strong and alive,

especially if you have children or loved ones...

Sending love and healing thoughts your way...

[Guest guest]

hang in there.some days are better then others.don't let (ra) win.

i was 32 when it hit me, my son was 6 months old my daughter was 3.

i'm 55 now.i have been fighting this. and still fighting.this is the first

time

i had to stop work. talk to your husband and kids or some one close they will

help you through this period.my kids and husband are great help and put up

with my mood swings and the pain.no matter how much pain,keep fighting

don't give up.

ann

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