RE: Diet for Diabetic?

[Guest guest]

*laugh* , me and Harry teach our doctors what they know. Trust me,

these folks don't know Jack, as Harry puts it. Insulin works on carbs, not on

protein.

If you eat 30 grams at a meal, you'll dose a small amount of insulin and be able

to control your sugars perfectly. If you eat what the ADA states to eat, and

most so called diabetic educators, tons of carbs, you'll have to double or

triple your insulin to try to half way keep your sugar in range and it is a

vicious cycle.

Once again, we are not a protein diet, we are a modified carbohydrate diet.

Regards,

Here are some breakfast ideas

>>

>>

>> Hi all,

>>

>>

>>

>> here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> from Down Under

>>

>>

>>

>> Breakfast Basics

>>

>> 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and more

> importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

>>

>> 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source of

> fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals, look

> for those with a high fibre content.

>>

>> 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a valuable

> contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at breakfast.

> All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as much, or

> more, calcium as full cream milk.

>>

>> 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

>>

>>

>>

>> Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

>>

>> 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with slice

> apple.

>>

>> 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

>>

>> 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

>>

>> 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

>>

>> 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

>> yoghurt.

>>

>> 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears slices.

>>

>> 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

>>

>> 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass of

>> fresh

> orange juice.

>>

>> 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

>>

>> 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole grain

>> toast

> with favourite spread.

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

lol lol lol. good god harry your killing me with the Eskimo joke!

Regards,

Here are some breakfast ideas

>>

>>

>> Hi all,

>>

>>

>>

>> here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> from Down Under

>>

>>

>>

>> Breakfast Basics

>>

>> 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and more

> importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

>>

>> 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source of

> fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals, look

> for those with a high fibre content.

>>

>> 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a valuable

> contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at breakfast.

> All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as much, or

> more, calcium as full cream milk.

>>

>> 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

>>

>>

>>

>> Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

>>

>> 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with slice

> apple.

>>

>> 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

>>

>> 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

>>

>> 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

>>

>> 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

>> yoghurt.

>>

>> 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears slices.

>>

>> 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

>>

>> 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass of

>> fresh

> orange juice.

>>

>> 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

>>

>> 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole grain

>> toast

> with favourite spread.

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I remember the high protein diets from about 30 years ago. The thing

which does stick in my mind is you must, must, must drink plenty of

water in order to flush out your kidneys. Drinking plenty of water is,

however, just plain good advice anyway. You need to keep hydrated so

that the impurities will take their proper exit from your body.

Cy, the Ancient Okie...

Re: Diet for Diabetic?

Tell them to prove it. That should not be asking too much. If they

can,

tell them to point you to a double blind study for evidence. Even lab

rats

would be a good start.

Here are some breakfast ideas

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Hi all,

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> from Down Under

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Breakfast Basics

>> >>

>> >> 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and

more

>> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source

of

>> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast

cereals,

> look

>> > for those with a high fibre content.

>> >>

>> >> 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

>> >> valuable

>> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> breakfast.

>> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as

much,

> or

>> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

>> >>

>> >> 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

>> >>

>> >> 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with

slice

>> > apple.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

>> >>

>> >> 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

>> >>

>> >> 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

>> >>

>> >> 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

>> >> yoghurt.

>> >>

>> >> 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears

slices.

>> >>

>> >> 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

>> >>

>> >> 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass

of

>> >> fresh

>> > orange juice.

>> >>

>> >> 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

>> >>

>> >> 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole

grain

>> >> toast

>> > with favourite spread.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

[Guest guest]

I remember the high protein diets from about 30 years ago. The thing

which does stick in my mind is you must, must, must drink plenty of

water in order to flush out your kidneys. Drinking plenty of water is,

however, just plain good advice anyway. You need to keep hydrated so

that the impurities will take their proper exit from your body.

Cy, the Ancient Okie...

Re: Diet for Diabetic?

Tell them to prove it. That should not be asking too much. If they

can,

tell them to point you to a double blind study for evidence. Even lab

rats

would be a good start.

Here are some breakfast ideas

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Hi all,

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> from Down Under

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Breakfast Basics

>> >>

>> >> 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and

more

>> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source

of

>> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast

cereals,

> look

>> > for those with a high fibre content.

>> >>

>> >> 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

>> >> valuable

>> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> breakfast.

>> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as

much,

> or

>> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

>> >>

>> >> 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

>> >>

>> >> 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with

slice

>> > apple.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

>> >>

>> >> 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

>> >>

>> >> 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

>> >>

>> >> 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

>> >> yoghurt.

>> >>

>> >> 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears

slices.

>> >>

>> >> 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

>> >>

>> >> 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass

of

>> >> fresh

>> > orange juice.

>> >>

>> >> 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

>> >>

>> >> 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole

grain

>> >> toast

>> > with favourite spread.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi .

my a1c is 5.1 and my ldl is 83. My kidney function has been stable for 15 years.

What are they going to say to that? I need to eat an exchange diet with 80%

carbs 20% meat? I think not. grin.

Toss me a type 1 diabetic on the ADA exchange diet with an a1c of 5.1. You'll

never find one. In fact, even if you have a diabetic on a pump... try to find me

one with an a1c of 5.1 on that blasted exchange diet. Will never happen.

The ADA feels that protein causes kidney damage in diabetics and fat causes

strokes. So, they jack up carbs to 80% of your meal and cut meats/fats back to

20%. What causes kidney damage and stroke is elevated a1c levels and not meat

and fat! The ADA is *still* unwilling to admit this. Doctor Bernstein is not

liked by the ADA grin. They are to arrogant to admit they are wrong.

Bernstein knows his stuff. He is a medical doctor, type 1 diabetic for 60 years,

and his a1c is on average 4.5.

Find any diabetic on the exchange diet and ask them what their a1c is. Try to

find one with one at 4.5 or 5.1. Won't happen.

Regards,

Here are some breakfast ideas

> >

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> >

> >

> > here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > from Down Under

> >

> >

> >

> > Breakfast Basics

> >

> > 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and more

> importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> >

> > 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source of

> fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals,

look

> for those with a high fibre content.

> >

> > 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

valuable

> contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

breakfast.

> All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as much,

or

> more, calcium as full cream milk.

> >

> > 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> >

> >

> >

> > Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> >

> > 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with slice

> apple.

> >

> > 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> >

> > 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> >

> > 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> >

> > 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

yoghurt.

> >

> > 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears slices.

> >

> > 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> >

> > 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass of

fresh

> orange juice.

> >

> > 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> >

> > 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole grain

toast

> with favourite spread.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi .

my a1c is 5.1 and my ldl is 83. My kidney function has been stable for 15 years.

What are they going to say to that? I need to eat an exchange diet with 80%

carbs 20% meat? I think not. grin.

Toss me a type 1 diabetic on the ADA exchange diet with an a1c of 5.1. You'll

never find one. In fact, even if you have a diabetic on a pump... try to find me

one with an a1c of 5.1 on that blasted exchange diet. Will never happen.

The ADA feels that protein causes kidney damage in diabetics and fat causes

strokes. So, they jack up carbs to 80% of your meal and cut meats/fats back to

20%. What causes kidney damage and stroke is elevated a1c levels and not meat

and fat! The ADA is *still* unwilling to admit this. Doctor Bernstein is not

liked by the ADA grin. They are to arrogant to admit they are wrong.

Bernstein knows his stuff. He is a medical doctor, type 1 diabetic for 60 years,

and his a1c is on average 4.5.

Find any diabetic on the exchange diet and ask them what their a1c is. Try to

find one with one at 4.5 or 5.1. Won't happen.

Regards,

Here are some breakfast ideas

> >

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> >

> >

> > here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > from Down Under

> >

> >

> >

> > Breakfast Basics

> >

> > 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and more

> importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> >

> > 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source of

> fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals,

look

> for those with a high fibre content.

> >

> > 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

valuable

> contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

breakfast.

> All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as much,

or

> more, calcium as full cream milk.

> >

> > 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> >

> >

> >

> > Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> >

> > 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with slice

> apple.

> >

> > 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> >

> > 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> >

> > 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> >

> > 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

yoghurt.

> >

> > 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears slices.

> >

> > 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> >

> > 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass of

fresh

> orange juice.

> >

> > 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> >

> > 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole grain

toast

> with favourite spread.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi .

my a1c is 5.1 and my ldl is 83. My kidney function has been stable for 15 years.

What are they going to say to that? I need to eat an exchange diet with 80%

carbs 20% meat? I think not. grin.

Toss me a type 1 diabetic on the ADA exchange diet with an a1c of 5.1. You'll

never find one. In fact, even if you have a diabetic on a pump... try to find me

one with an a1c of 5.1 on that blasted exchange diet. Will never happen.

The ADA feels that protein causes kidney damage in diabetics and fat causes

strokes. So, they jack up carbs to 80% of your meal and cut meats/fats back to

20%. What causes kidney damage and stroke is elevated a1c levels and not meat

and fat! The ADA is *still* unwilling to admit this. Doctor Bernstein is not

liked by the ADA grin. They are to arrogant to admit they are wrong.

Bernstein knows his stuff. He is a medical doctor, type 1 diabetic for 60 years,

and his a1c is on average 4.5.

Find any diabetic on the exchange diet and ask them what their a1c is. Try to

find one with one at 4.5 or 5.1. Won't happen.

Regards,

Here are some breakfast ideas

> >

> >

> > Hi all,

> >

> >

> >

> > here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > from Down Under

> >

> >

> >

> > Breakfast Basics

> >

> > 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and more

> importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> >

> > 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source of

> fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals,

look

> for those with a high fibre content.

> >

> > 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

valuable

> contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

breakfast.

> All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as much,

or

> more, calcium as full cream milk.

> >

> > 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> >

> >

> >

> > Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> >

> > 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with slice

> apple.

> >

> > 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> >

> > 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> >

> > 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> >

> > 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

yoghurt.

> >

> > 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears slices.

> >

> > 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> >

> > 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass of

fresh

> orange juice.

> >

> > 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> >

> > 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole grain

toast

> with favourite spread.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

Too much protein for someon who already has kidney disease and who is

putting out protein into their urine is not good, but if your kidneys are

functioning well and you have good glucoe control, well protein will not

hurt you.

By the way Harry, there is a high incidence of diabetes and kidney disease

in the Alute population.

Re: Diet for Diabetic?

Sorry, I should have read from the top down not from the bottom up. But

they still tell me not to follow that type of diet without dire

consequences.

Here are some breakfast ideas

> >>

> >>

> >> Hi all,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> from Down Under

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Breakfast Basics

> >>

> >> 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and more

> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> >>

> >> 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source of

> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals,

look

> > for those with a high fibre content.

> >>

> >> 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a valuable

> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

breakfast.

> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as much,

or

> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

> >>

> >> 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> >>

> >> 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with slice

> > apple.

> >>

> >> 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> >>

> >> 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> >>

> >> 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> >>

> >> 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

> >> yoghurt.

> >>

> >> 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears slices.

> >>

> >> 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> >>

> >> 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass of

> >> fresh

> > orange juice.

> >>

> >> 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> >>

> >> 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole grain

> >> toast

> > with favourite spread.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Who comprises the Alute population?

Here are some breakfast ideas

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Hi all,

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> from Down Under

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Breakfast Basics

>> >>

>> >> 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and more

>> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source of

>> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals,

> look

>> > for those with a high fibre content.

>> >>

>> >> 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

>> >> valuable

>> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> breakfast.

>> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as much,

> or

>> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

>> >>

>> >> 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

>> >>

>> >> 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with slice

>> > apple.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

>> >>

>> >> 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

>> >>

>> >> 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

>> >>

>> >> 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

>> >> yoghurt.

>> >>

>> >> 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears slices.

>> >>

>> >> 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

>> >>

>> >> 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass of

>> >> fresh

>> > orange juice.

>> >>

>> >> 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

>> >>

>> >> 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole grain

>> >> toast

>> > with favourite spread.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

[Guest guest]

,

I share your frustration. It's not only that many healthcare professionals

are ill-informed about diabetes, but, it seems to me, that for any piece of

research that demonstrates one thing there is another that demonstrates the

opposite. Also, what is recognised as the best in management changes and

it's hard to know just who is right. It's just plain frustrating!!!

Cheryl.

Here are some breakfast ideas

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Hi all,

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> from Down Under

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Breakfast Basics

>> >>

>> >> 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and more

>> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source of

>> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals,

> look

>> > for those with a high fibre content.

>> >>

>> >> 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

>> >> valuable

>> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> breakfast.

>> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as much,

> or

>> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

>> >>

>> >> 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

>> >>

>> >> 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with slice

>> > apple.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

>> >>

>> >> 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

>> >>

>> >> 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

>> >>

>> >> 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

>> >> yoghurt.

>> >>

>> >> 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears slices.

>> >>

>> >> 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

>> >>

>> >> 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass of

>> >> fresh

>> > orange juice.

>> >>

>> >> 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

>> >>

>> >> 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole grain

>> >> toast

>> > with favourite spread.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

[Guest guest]

Most Eskimoes (which is an American term) are Alute.

Re: Diet for Diabetic?

Who comprises the Alute population?

Here are some breakfast ideas

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Hi all,

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> from Down Under

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Breakfast Basics

>> >>

>> >> 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and more

>> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source of

>> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals,

> look

>> > for those with a high fibre content.

>> >>

>> >> 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

>> >> valuable

>> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> breakfast.

>> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as much,

> or

>> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

>> >>

>> >> 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

>> >>

>> >> 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with slice

>> > apple.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

>> >>

>> >> 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

>> >>

>> >> 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

>> >>

>> >> 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

>> >> yoghurt.

>> >>

>> >> 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears slices.

>> >>

>> >> 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

>> >>

>> >> 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass of

>> >> fresh

>> > orange juice.

>> >>

>> >> 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

>> >>

>> >> 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole grain

>> >> toast

>> > with favourite spread.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

[Guest guest]

I know two type 1 diabetics with A1c's below 5.5, one is at I believe 5.3

and the other is at I believe 5.1. Both of them don't eat low carb, but they

probably don't eat 100 carbs a meal, either. One is on an insulin pump (5.1

A1c) and the other is on NovoLog and NPH. The person with a 5.3 A1c used to

have hers at 4.8 I believe but said she was having too many lows for her

liking (probably because of NPH) so loosened her control a litte.

Both live in Canada, and so do not follow ADA. Here it's recommended 50-60%

of calories come from carbs, and the rest from fats and proteins. This is

recommended for *everyone* not just diabetics, and it's generally thought

that diabetics should be able to follow these same guidelines as long as

they know how to count carbs (which is taught now at most diabetes clinics)

and how to eat balanced diets.

I am not sure what the ADA guidelines are, but 80% carbs sounds like a lot,

I don't think anyone, diabetic or not, needs that many carbs!

Jen

Here are some breakfast ideas

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > from Down Under

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Breakfast Basics

> > >

> > > 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and

> more

> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> > >

> > > 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source

> of

> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals,

> look

> > for those with a high fibre content.

> > >

> > > 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

> valuable

> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> breakfast.

> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as

> much,

> or

> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

> > >

> > > 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> > >

> > > 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with

> slice

> > apple.

> > >

> > > 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> > >

> > > 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> > >

> > > 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> > >

> > > 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

> yoghurt.

> > >

> > > 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears

> slices.

> > >

> > > 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> > >

> > > 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass

> of

> fresh

> > orange juice.

> > >

> > > 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> > >

> > > 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole

> grain

> toast

> > with favourite spread.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I know two type 1 diabetics with A1c's below 5.5, one is at I believe 5.3

and the other is at I believe 5.1. Both of them don't eat low carb, but they

probably don't eat 100 carbs a meal, either. One is on an insulin pump (5.1

A1c) and the other is on NovoLog and NPH. The person with a 5.3 A1c used to

have hers at 4.8 I believe but said she was having too many lows for her

liking (probably because of NPH) so loosened her control a litte.

Both live in Canada, and so do not follow ADA. Here it's recommended 50-60%

of calories come from carbs, and the rest from fats and proteins. This is

recommended for *everyone* not just diabetics, and it's generally thought

that diabetics should be able to follow these same guidelines as long as

they know how to count carbs (which is taught now at most diabetes clinics)

and how to eat balanced diets.

I am not sure what the ADA guidelines are, but 80% carbs sounds like a lot,

I don't think anyone, diabetic or not, needs that many carbs!

Jen

Here are some breakfast ideas

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > from Down Under

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Breakfast Basics

> > >

> > > 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and

> more

> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> > >

> > > 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source

> of

> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals,

> look

> > for those with a high fibre content.

> > >

> > > 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

> valuable

> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> breakfast.

> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as

> much,

> or

> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

> > >

> > > 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> > >

> > > 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with

> slice

> > apple.

> > >

> > > 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> > >

> > > 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> > >

> > > 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> > >

> > > 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

> yoghurt.

> > >

> > > 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears

> slices.

> > >

> > > 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> > >

> > > 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass

> of

> fresh

> > orange juice.

> > >

> > > 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> > >

> > > 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole

> grain

> toast

> > with favourite spread.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Well, you summed it up in a nut shell. And, whatever you do, if it is the

wrong thing, then you have to worry about that and can it be fixed. I

remember just before Dr. Atkins died how they were saying that it was

following his diet that caused his health problems. Sometimes I just don't

know what to do or where to turn for the correct information.

The other day I did a search and found over sixty links to go to regarding

diabetes. Many of them were talking about herbs and other things that were

supposed to help but if you talk to a physician or an educator, they

discourage such things. There's a site that talks about Asian herbs and

that is also mentioned in the Natural Cures book, but I'm not willing to pay

$500 to go on the website and find out a cure that they won't tell you in

the book. Of course, you have to pay for the book, also. I have a friend

who bought it and she said it's a waste of money since everything is telling

you to go to the website. People try to make money even out of someone

else's illness and that's sad.

Here are some breakfast ideas

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> Hi all,

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> from Down Under

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> Breakfast Basics

> >> >>

> >> >> 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and

more

> >> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> >> >>

> >> >> 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source of

> >> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals,

> > look

> >> > for those with a high fibre content.

> >> >>

> >> >> 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

> >> >> valuable

> >> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> > breakfast.

> >> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as

much,

> > or

> >> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

> >> >>

> >> >> 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> >> >>

> >> >> 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with

slice

> >> > apple.

> >> >>

> >> >> 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> >> >>

> >> >> 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> >> >>

> >> >> 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> >> >>

> >> >> 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

> >> >> yoghurt.

> >> >>

> >> >> 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears

slices.

> >> >>

> >> >> 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> >> >>

> >> >> 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass of

> >> >> fresh

> >> > orange juice.

> >> >>

> >> >> 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> >> >>

> >> >> 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole grain

> >> >> toast

> >> > with favourite spread.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

[Guest guest]

With evidence like that, why do the physicians still tell us not to follow

that type of regime? When I was on the Atkins diet, my doctor wanted me to

have blood work done every three months to make sure there was no organ

damage. At least he let me go on it which is more than the doctor I see now

is willing to do. Unfortunately, my doctor stopped practicing for a while

so I had to find someone else.

Here are some breakfast ideas

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > from Down Under

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Breakfast Basics

> > >

> > > 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and

more

> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> > >

> > > 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source

of

> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast

cereals,

> look

> > for those with a high fibre content.

> > >

> > > 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

> valuable

> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> breakfast.

> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as

much,

> or

> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

> > >

> > > 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> > >

> > > 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with

slice

> > apple.

> > >

> > > 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> > >

> > > 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> > >

> > > 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> > >

> > > 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

> yoghurt.

> > >

> > > 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears

slices.

> > >

> > > 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> > >

> > > 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass

of

> fresh

> > orange juice.

> > >

> > > 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> > >

> > > 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole

grain

> toast

> > with favourite spread.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

With evidence like that, why do the physicians still tell us not to follow

that type of regime? When I was on the Atkins diet, my doctor wanted me to

have blood work done every three months to make sure there was no organ

damage. At least he let me go on it which is more than the doctor I see now

is willing to do. Unfortunately, my doctor stopped practicing for a while

so I had to find someone else.

Here are some breakfast ideas

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > from Down Under

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Breakfast Basics

> > >

> > > 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and

more

> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> > >

> > > 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source

of

> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast

cereals,

> look

> > for those with a high fibre content.

> > >

> > > 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

> valuable

> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> breakfast.

> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as

much,

> or

> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

> > >

> > > 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> > >

> > > 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with

slice

> > apple.

> > >

> > > 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> > >

> > > 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> > >

> > > 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> > >

> > > 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

> yoghurt.

> > >

> > > 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears

slices.

> > >

> > > 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> > >

> > > 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass

of

> fresh

> > orange juice.

> > >

> > > 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> > >

> > > 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole

grain

> toast

> > with favourite spread.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheryl.

I used to feel that exact way until I found what really works. You should use

your own body as an experiment and experiment with it. For example, eat 30 grams

of carbs at a meal, do a 2 hour post meal test. Next meal, eat 60 grams of carbs

and do a two hour post meal test. Lastly, eat 90 grams of carbs at a meal and do

a two hour post meal test. Compare the data after you have experimented and you

will see which numbers work. Let your body tell you what works, not a doctor all

the time!

Regards,

Here are some breakfast ideas

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Hi all,

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> from Down Under

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Breakfast Basics

>> >>

>> >> 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and more

>> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source of

>> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals,

> look

>> > for those with a high fibre content.

>> >>

>> >> 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

>> >> valuable

>> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> breakfast.

>> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as much,

> or

>> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

>> >>

>> >> 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

>> >>

>> >> 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with slice

>> > apple.

>> >>

>> >> 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

>> >>

>> >> 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

>> >>

>> >> 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

>> >>

>> >> 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

>> >> yoghurt.

>> >>

>> >> 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears slices.

>> >>

>> >> 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

>> >>

>> >> 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass of

>> >> fresh

>> > orange juice.

>> >>

>> >> 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

>> >>

>> >> 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole grain

>> >> toast

>> > with favourite spread.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jenn.

I'm finding that some of Canada's medical professionals really do seem to have

a grip on carb counting and at least understanding that they are dangerous. I've

talked to an agency last year in Canada to get a feel for what some of the trend

was and the person I spoke with was on a pump and carb counted.

That is more than I can say for most in the US grin.

Regards,

Here are some breakfast ideas

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > from Down Under

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Breakfast Basics

> > >

> > > 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and

> more

> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> > >

> > > 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source

> of

> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals,

> look

> > for those with a high fibre content.

> > >

> > > 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

> valuable

> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> breakfast.

> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as

> much,

> or

> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

> > >

> > > 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> > >

> > > 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with

> slice

> > apple.

> > >

> > > 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> > >

> > > 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> > >

> > > 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> > >

> > > 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

> yoghurt.

> > >

> > > 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears

> slices.

> > >

> > > 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> > >

> > > 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass

> of

> fresh

> > orange juice.

> > >

> > > 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> > >

> > > 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole

> grain

> toast

> > with favourite spread.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

.

Stick around, read our posts, and let us teach you. You have come to the right

place.

Even if you dont' follow what we are saying, at least learn it for the

knowledge. Knowledge is power in this fight.

Regards,

Here are some breakfast ideas

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> Hi all,

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> from Down Under

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> Breakfast Basics

> >> >>

> >> >> 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and

more

> >> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> >> >>

> >> >> 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source of

> >> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals,

> > look

> >> > for those with a high fibre content.

> >> >>

> >> >> 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

> >> >> valuable

> >> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> > breakfast.

> >> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as

much,

> > or

> >> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

> >> >>

> >> >> 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> >> >>

> >> >> 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with

slice

> >> > apple.

> >> >>

> >> >> 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> >> >>

> >> >> 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> >> >>

> >> >> 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> >> >>

> >> >> 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

> >> >> yoghurt.

> >> >>

> >> >> 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears

slices.

> >> >>

> >> >> 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> >> >>

> >> >> 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass of

> >> >> fresh

> >> > orange juice.

> >> >>

> >> >> 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> >> >>

> >> >> 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole grain

> >> >> toast

> >> > with favourite spread.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

[Guest guest]

My doctor I see doesn't. She knows that I have mastered this disease. The

concepts I follow she learned in school 3 years ago. So, why dont' doctors

understand carbohydrate counting and moderate carbs? Simple, they are

undereducated and using old knowledge to treat the disease. Look at Otis. His

doc has him on an insulin 70/30 and that form of treatment went out in 1979. I'm

not kidding.

Regards,

Here are some breakfast ideas

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > from Down Under

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Breakfast Basics

> > >

> > > 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and

more

> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> > >

> > > 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source

of

> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast

cereals,

> look

> > for those with a high fibre content.

> > >

> > > 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

> valuable

> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> breakfast.

> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as

much,

> or

> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

> > >

> > > 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> > >

> > > 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with

slice

> > apple.

> > >

> > > 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> > >

> > > 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> > >

> > > 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> > >

> > > 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

> yoghurt.

> > >

> > > 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears

slices.

> > >

> > > 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> > >

> > > 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass

of

> fresh

> > orange juice.

> > >

> > > 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> > >

> > > 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole

grain

> toast

> > with favourite spread.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi .

One more thing I wanted to mention. This week we seen Terri's nurse tell her a

sugar of 160 was not that bad. Not that bad? That makes your average a1c 7.0.

We also heard jerry say his type 2 buddy has a type 2 doc that said a 2 hour

post meal of 160 was fine. Again, that puts your a1c at 6.5 to 7.0 range.

The problem is this. Doctors have been trained that most diabetics will not

follow strict guidelines. For the most part, that is true and most diabetics

fall into that category of not following doctors advice. So, what are they

taught for the lazy? They are taught that an a1c of 6.5 will at least prolong

the patients life some so tell them they are doing a good job and keep them at

that. They are told that an a1c of 6.5 is good and is much better than an a1c of

9 or higher.

In other words, they are trained to accept the below average. That is no bash

against anyone on list here who is running an a1c of 6.0 to 6.5. I am simply

explaining what doctors are told and why is seeing and hearing

different conflicting advice all over the place.

, let me be honest, we are the minority around here. Why do you think

the things you are hearing from us are foreign to you? It is simple, hardly any

diabetic runs an a1c of 5.0 to 5.3 most run an a1c of 6.0 to 6.5 or higher. Most

do not carb count because they are not trained to by doctors. Most doctors don't

know about it and those that do, honestly feel that most patients are not

intelligent enough to count carbs and fear they will take to much insulin and

pass out. That is true to a certain extent. There are some diabetics who

couldn't add 2 plus 2 to save their lives grin.

However, we on list here carb count, instruct it, and help the best we can and

are passionate about our findings. We seen them work in our own lives. I went

from an a1c of 9 to an a1c of 5.3 in only 3 months. Once I seen that result, how

could I not believe what I know now?

So, we are not the average on list here. We will not settle for an a1c of 6 to

6.5. We are people who take this a step further and get all we can out of it...

we carb count, limit meals to 30 grams of quick acting carbs, and do what we can

to get our a1c levels to 5.0 to 5.3 range.

So, this was just to explain why doctors settle for average a1c levels and

sugars and why you are hearing conflicting data all over the place. They are

told patients are not workers, are not committed,and try to get them to 6.0 to

6.5 to try to keep them around a little longer.

I was told this was taught and is the theory by 2 doctors I am currently under.

A kidney doctor/specialist and my immediate doctor. My immediate doctor requires

that any diabetic she sees *must* run an a1c of 5.0. If they don't, she quits

seeing them. I'm not kidding. She is great and right up my alley grin.

One thing we all can agree on is that carbohydrates break down to

sugar in the blood and as a diabetic, we must watch them.

Regards,

Here are some breakfast ideas

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> Hi all,

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> from Down Under

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> Breakfast Basics

> >> >>

> >> >> 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and

more

> >> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> >> >>

> >> >> 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source of

> >> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast cereals,

> > look

> >> > for those with a high fibre content.

> >> >>

> >> >> 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

> >> >> valuable

> >> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> > breakfast.

> >> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as

much,

> > or

> >> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

> >> >>

> >> >> 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> >> >>

> >> >> 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with

slice

> >> > apple.

> >> >>

> >> >> 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> >> >>

> >> >> 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> >> >>

> >> >> 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> >> >>

> >> >> 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

> >> >> yoghurt.

> >> >>

> >> >> 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears

slices.

> >> >>

> >> >> 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> >> >>

> >> >> 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass of

> >> >> fresh

> >> > orange juice.

> >> >>

> >> >> 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> >> >>

> >> >> 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole grain

> >> >> toast

> >> > with favourite spread.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Yes, there is a very good reason why the typical diabetic and the doctors

and the heads of organizations like the AMA the American Medical Association

and the ADA the American Diabetes Association are kept uninformed. It is

called money. Excluding the diabetic individual, all these other entities

get paid to push drugs, treat disease and diabetic complications and not to

prevent diabetic complications, which mostly relies on education and

knowledge and skill. It is far more profitable to do surgery, prescribe a

pill than it is to take the time to educate an individual. The typical

doctor could see ten to twenty patients while trying to teach just one

person the importance of carb counting and how to do it. I have yet to

encounter one doctor who knows any thing about carb counting and what it

means in relation to a diabetic. I challenge you to tell me of at least

five doctors you have encountered who has taken the time to teach you. If

you are lucky, you have found at least one.

Here are some breakfast ideas

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > from Down Under

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Breakfast Basics

> > >

> > > 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and

more

> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> > >

> > > 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source

of

> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast

cereals,

> look

> > for those with a high fibre content.

> > >

> > > 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

> valuable

> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> breakfast.

> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as

much,

> or

> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

> > >

> > > 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> > >

> > > 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with

slice

> > apple.

> > >

> > > 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> > >

> > > 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> > >

> > > 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> > >

> > > 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

> yoghurt.

> > >

> > > 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears

slices.

> > >

> > > 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> > >

> > > 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass

of

> fresh

> > orange juice.

> > >

> > > 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> > >

> > > 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole

grain

> toast

> > with favourite spread.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I like your suggestion and will try to get my son, , to co-operate

with the experiment. I guess it would be best to try variations in carbs

for the same meal, eg. breakfast rather than different meals throughout the

day. Would this help to eliminate some of the vast numbers of variables

that can influence the level?

I sure hope that the results are what you expect, because I don't think I'll

get a second shot at such an experiment if there isn't a significant

difference that can't be explained by something like a huge variation in

activity level. has expressed his opinion of what he so eloquently

calls " this carbo crap " ! At thirteen, anything that even hints at any kind

of restriction is definitely not welcome and neither is discussion pointing

out the consequences of poor control or the benefits of good control.

Best wishes,

Cheryl.

Here are some breakfast ideas

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> Hi all,

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> from Down Under

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> Breakfast Basics

> >> >>

> >> >> 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre, and

> more

> >> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> >> >>

> >> >> 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a source

> of

> >> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast

> cereals,

> > look

> >> > for those with a high fibre content.

> >> >>

> >> >> 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

> >> >> valuable

> >> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> > breakfast.

> >> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as

> much,

> > or

> >> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

> >> >>

> >> >> 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> >> >>

> >> >> 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with

> slice

> >> > apple.

> >> >>

> >> >> 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> >> >>

> >> >> 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> >> >>

> >> >> 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> >> >>

> >> >> 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low fat

> >> >> yoghurt.

> >> >>

> >> >> 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears

> slices.

> >> >>

> >> >> 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> >> >>

> >> >> 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a glass

> of

> >> >> fresh

> >> > orange juice.

> >> >>

> >> >> 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> >> >>

> >> >> 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole

> grain

> >> >> toast

> >> > with favourite spread.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Don't worry, I'll be here and I'll be learning. What I didn't tell you was

how much my blood work was messed.

Here are some breakfast ideas

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >> Hi all,

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >> here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >> from Down Under

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >> Breakfast Basics

> > >> >>

> > >> >> 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre,

and

> more

> > >> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a

source of

> > >> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast

cereals,

> > > look

> > >> > for those with a high fibre content.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

> > >> >> valuable

> > >> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> > > breakfast.

> > >> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as

> much,

> > > or

> > >> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >> Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> > >> >>

> > >> >> 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with

> slice

> > >> > apple.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low

fat

> > >> >> yoghurt.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears

> slices.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a

glass of

> > >> >> fresh

> > >> > orange juice.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> > >> >>

> > >> >> 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole

grain

> > >> >> toast

> > >> > with favourite spread.

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

So, after you have gotten informed and you have the knowledge, how do you

convince a physician, or do you do what you think is best and not tell them?

That can be dangerous. We put our lives in the hands of the physicians who

are supposed to know what they are doing. They are doing their patients a

disservice when they don't know how to treat a condition. It makes me angry

that they don't have enough concern for us to treat us appropriately.

Here are some breakfast ideas

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > here are some ideas for breakfast that some of you might like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > from Down Under

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Breakfast Basics

> > >

> > > 1. Start with some fruit or juice. Fruit contributes fibre,

and

more

> > importantly Vitamin C and antioxidants.

> > >

> > > 2. Try some breakfast cereal. Cereals are important as a

source

of

> > fibre, Vitamin B and iron. When choosing processed breakfast

cereals,

> look

> > for those with a high fibre content.

> > >

> > > 3. Add milk or yoghurt. Low fat milk and yoghurts can make a

> valuable

> > contribution to your daily calcium intake, by including them at

> breakfast.

> > All of them have a low GI value. Lower fat varieties have just as

much,

> or

> > more, calcium as full cream milk.

> > >

> > > 4 add some bread or toast if you like.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Your quick low fat and low GI Breakfast ideas

> > >

> > > 1. Spread raisin toast with low fat cream cheese and top with

slice

> > apple.

> > >

> > > 2. Top a slice of - oat bran and honey loaf with slice banana.

> > >

> > > 3. Sprinkle porridge with raisins and brown sugar.

> > >

> > > 4. Enjoy a low fat milk shake.

> > >

> > > 5. Spoon slice peaches and raspberries through a tub of low

fat

> yoghurt.

> > >

> > > 6. Top a bowl of All-Bran and low fat milk with canned pears

slices.

> > >

> > > 7. Smear avocado on bread and top with baked beans.

> > >

> > > 8. Team a bowl of Guardian cereal and low fat milk with a

glass

of

> fresh

> > orange juice.

> > >

> > > 9. Top a heavy grain fruit bread with fresh ricotta.

> > >

> > > 10. Enjoy a steamy hot chocolate with low fat milk and whole

grain

> toast

> > with favourite spread.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >