Re: sleep problems

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> I take 5@ 7am, 2.5@ 11:30, 2.5@ 2:30pm, 2.5@ 5:30pm

>

> I would switch to 7.5 7AM, 5 11AM, 2.5 3PM, 2.5 bedtime

>

Val:

Could you please explain why you think I need more? For Example, I'm

not sure I need any in the morning, as I never have trouble getting

up. I'm usually wide awake by 6:30, if not earlier. I guess I need to

understand the circadian cycle, and how it pertains to sleep. Are you

saying that getting levels up higher during the day will let them

drop lower at night, allowing better sleep? Or don't we want to have

really low levels at night? It seem like a dose at bedtime would

energize, not relax.

Thanks much,

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>

> I take 5@ 7am, 2.5@ 11:30, 2.5@ 2:30pm, 2.5@ 5:30pm

>

> I would switch to 7.5 7AM, 5 11AM, 2.5 3PM, 2.5 bedtime

>

Val:

Could you please explain why you think I need more? For Example, I'm

not sure I need any in the morning, as I never have trouble getting

up. I'm usually wide awake by 6:30, if not earlier. I guess I need to

understand the circadian cycle, and how it pertains to sleep. Are you

saying that getting levels up higher during the day will let them

drop lower at night, allowing better sleep? Or don't we want to have

really low levels at night? It seem like a dose at bedtime would

energize, not relax.

Thanks much,

-confused

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>> Are you

saying that getting levels up higher during the day will let them

drop lower at night, allowing better sleep? Or don't we want to have

really low levels at night? It seem like a dose at bedtime would

energize, not relax. <<

Yes, higher daytime levels drop your ACTH so by evening and bedtime all you have

left is what you take. But this is good so you can control it. Too low levels of

cortisol cause sleep problems just as much if not more than too high levels do.

HC is very relaxing when you need it at bedtime. If ever I wake in the middle of

the night and can't go back to sleep, I can take 5MG HC and it knocks me right

tout.

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>> Are you

saying that getting levels up higher during the day will let them

drop lower at night, allowing better sleep? Or don't we want to have

really low levels at night? It seem like a dose at bedtime would

energize, not relax. <<

Yes, higher daytime levels drop your ACTH so by evening and bedtime all you have

left is what you take. But this is good so you can control it. Too low levels of

cortisol cause sleep problems just as much if not more than too high levels do.

HC is very relaxing when you need it at bedtime. If ever I wake in the middle of

the night and can't go back to sleep, I can take 5MG HC and it knocks me right

tout.

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>> Are you

saying that getting levels up higher during the day will let them

drop lower at night, allowing better sleep? Or don't we want to have

really low levels at night? It seem like a dose at bedtime would

energize, not relax. <<

Yes, higher daytime levels drop your ACTH so by evening and bedtime all you have

left is what you take. But this is good so you can control it. Too low levels of

cortisol cause sleep problems just as much if not more than too high levels do.

HC is very relaxing when you need it at bedtime. If ever I wake in the middle of

the night and can't go back to sleep, I can take 5MG HC and it knocks me right

tout.

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I just wanted to make sure I was clear on a couple of things as I

had similar questions. When I take HC at certain times during the

day I feel sleepy for an little while than I begin to wake up, is

this the ACTH being lowered. And if so, is this ok, in other words

does this help to heal the adrenals by giving them rest. I guess I

just dont have a good concept of how the whole cyle works. Thanks

for your patience Val and all, I really appreciate your support.

Duane

>

> >> Are you

> saying that getting levels up higher during the day will let them

> drop lower at night, allowing better sleep? Or don't we want to

have

> really low levels at night? It seem like a dose at bedtime would

> energize, not relax. <<

>

> Yes, higher daytime levels drop your ACTH so by evening and

bedtime all you have left is what you take. But this is good so you

can control it. Too low levels of cortisol cause sleep problems just

as much if not more than too high levels do. HC is very relaxing

when you need it at bedtime. If ever I wake in the middle of the

night and can't go back to sleep, I can take 5MG HC and it knocks me

right tout.

>

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WV

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>

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to make sure I was clear on a couple of things as I

had similar questions. When I take HC at certain times during the

day I feel sleepy for an little while than I begin to wake up, is

this the ACTH being lowered. And if so, is this ok, in other words

does this help to heal the adrenals by giving them rest. I guess I

just dont have a good concept of how the whole cyle works. Thanks

for your patience Val and all, I really appreciate your support.

Duane

>

> >> Are you

> saying that getting levels up higher during the day will let them

> drop lower at night, allowing better sleep? Or don't we want to

have

> really low levels at night? It seem like a dose at bedtime would

> energize, not relax. <<

>

> Yes, higher daytime levels drop your ACTH so by evening and

bedtime all you have left is what you take. But this is good so you

can control it. Too low levels of cortisol cause sleep problems just

as much if not more than too high levels do. HC is very relaxing

when you need it at bedtime. If ever I wake in the middle of the

night and can't go back to sleep, I can take 5MG HC and it knocks me

right tout.

>

> --

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WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after

Xmas!!!)

>

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to make sure I was clear on a couple of things as I

had similar questions. When I take HC at certain times during the

day I feel sleepy for an little while than I begin to wake up, is

this the ACTH being lowered. And if so, is this ok, in other words

does this help to heal the adrenals by giving them rest. I guess I

just dont have a good concept of how the whole cyle works. Thanks

for your patience Val and all, I really appreciate your support.

Duane

>

> >> Are you

> saying that getting levels up higher during the day will let them

> drop lower at night, allowing better sleep? Or don't we want to

have

> really low levels at night? It seem like a dose at bedtime would

> energize, not relax. <<

>

> Yes, higher daytime levels drop your ACTH so by evening and

bedtime all you have left is what you take. But this is good so you

can control it. Too low levels of cortisol cause sleep problems just

as much if not more than too high levels do. HC is very relaxing

when you need it at bedtime. If ever I wake in the middle of the

night and can't go back to sleep, I can take 5MG HC and it knocks me

right tout.

>

> --

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WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after

Xmas!!!)

>

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> Yes, higher daytime levels drop your ACTH so by evening and bedtime

all you have left is what you take. But this is good so you can

control it. Too low levels of cortisol cause sleep problems just as

much if not more than too high levels do. HC is very relaxing when

you need it at bedtime. If ever I wake in the middle of the night and

can't go back to sleep, I can take 5MG HC and it knocks me right tout.

>

It's just about bedtime for me, I'll try a few mg. and let you know

what happens..

Thanks again

-michael

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>

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> Yes, higher daytime levels drop your ACTH so by evening and bedtime

all you have left is what you take. But this is good so you can

control it. Too low levels of cortisol cause sleep problems just as

much if not more than too high levels do. HC is very relaxing when

you need it at bedtime. If ever I wake in the middle of the night and

can't go back to sleep, I can take 5MG HC and it knocks me right tout.

>

It's just about bedtime for me, I'll try a few mg. and let you know

what happens..

Thanks again

-michael

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>

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> Yes, higher daytime levels drop your ACTH so by evening and bedtime

all you have left is what you take. But this is good so you can

control it. Too low levels of cortisol cause sleep problems just as

much if not more than too high levels do. HC is very relaxing when

you need it at bedtime. If ever I wake in the middle of the night and

can't go back to sleep, I can take 5MG HC and it knocks me right tout.

>

It's just about bedtime for me, I'll try a few mg. and let you know

what happens..

Thanks again

-michael

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> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

>>When I take HC at certain times during the

day I feel sleepy for an little while than I begin to wake up, is

this the ACTH being lowered. And if so, is this ok, in other words

does this help to heal the adrenals by giving them rest.<<

The sleepy you feel is your body relaxing as it has enough cortisol to handle

the stresses at the time. Then when you wake up it is due to the cortisol

ushering the thyroid into the cells and it going to work. You cannot feel ACTH

being lowered, simply it's effects.And I do believe it is necessary to ,lower

ACTH as I feel the constant battering of the adrenals by this trying to make

them produce more cortisol when they can;t is what actually damages them in the

first place.

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[Guest guest]

THANK YOU!

>

> >>When I take HC at certain times during the

> day I feel sleepy for an little while than I begin to wake up, is

> this the ACTH being lowered. And if so, is this ok, in other words

> does this help to heal the adrenals by giving them rest.<<

>

> The sleepy you feel is your body relaxing as it has enough

cortisol to handle the stresses at the time. Then when you wake up

it is due to the cortisol ushering the thyroid into the cells and it

going to work. You cannot feel ACTH being lowered, simply it's

effects.And I do believe it is necessary to ,lower ACTH as I feel

the constant battering of the adrenals by this trying to make them

produce more cortisol when they can;t is what actually damages them

in the first place.

>

> --

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WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after

Xmas!!!)

>

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

THANK YOU!

>

> >>When I take HC at certain times during the

> day I feel sleepy for an little while than I begin to wake up, is

> this the ACTH being lowered. And if so, is this ok, in other words

> does this help to heal the adrenals by giving them rest.<<

>

> The sleepy you feel is your body relaxing as it has enough

cortisol to handle the stresses at the time. Then when you wake up

it is due to the cortisol ushering the thyroid into the cells and it

going to work. You cannot feel ACTH being lowered, simply it's

effects.And I do believe it is necessary to ,lower ACTH as I feel

the constant battering of the adrenals by this trying to make them

produce more cortisol when they can;t is what actually damages them

in the first place.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane

WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after

Xmas!!!)

>

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

>>8 p.m. is my

>bed time dose, as it's when I go to sleep most nights.

>I'm up about 5 a.m. and start h.c. dosing about 6 a.m. (then 10 a.m. and

>2 p.m., then before bed) Am I all wrong here?<<

Val writes:

>Your situation is different. If you go to bed at 8PM it is fine to take

it then, but from his post he didn't start >HC till 10AM so I am assuming

8PM is nOT his bedtime..

Hey Val, thanks for the clarification. Dahlia

[Guest guest]

Oh, Mo, I have had sleep problems since childhood myself; I, too, wish I could

just put my head on the pillow and go to sleep. Never in my whole life have I

really experienced that. As I child I used my imagination in day dreams when I

couldn't sleep or read a book under the covers with a flash light. Thought my

mom didn't know - well, she sent me a clipping from the newspaper ad from the

library. It had an illustration of a little girl under the covers with a book

and a flashlight. Above her it says: " , are you asleep? " I about fell

off the chair laughing b/c my name is and she knew all along! She also

knew I couldn't sleep well; she told me that when I was a toddler, she would put

me down for a nap, then would check on me during the nap and I was never asleep;

just laid there day-dreaming until it was time to get up.

C.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/12/2006 00:41:00 GMT Standard Time,

cccquilter@... writes:

Hi CC

Oh, Mo, I have had sleep problems since childhood myself;

Really? You also? Horrible isn't it.

I, too, wish I could just put my head on the pillow and go to sleep. Never

in my whole life have I really experienced that. As I child I used my

imagination in day dreams when I couldn't sleep or read a book under the covers

with

a flash light.

My mother got so fed up with my leaving the bedroom light on when I could ot

sleep that she started to remove the bulb.

When I statrted to put it back in she then disconnected the electrical bits

so there simply was NO light in my room at all.

Didn;t help me though it may have helped her electricity bill which is all

she was concerned abut really.

Sounds like you had a nicer mother.

Thought my mom didn't know - well, she sent me a clipping from the newspaper

ad from the library. It had an illustration of a little girl under the

covers with a book and a flashlight. Above her it says: " , are you

asleep? " I about fell off the chair laughing b/c my name is and she

knew

all along! She also knew I couldn't sleep well; she told me that when I was a

toddler, she would put me down for a nap, then would check on me during the

nap and I was never asleep; just laid there day-dreaming until it was time to

get up.

Maybe you were one of these very bright kids who needed little sleep. It is

one of the signs of high I.Q. in children, this needing less sleep.

Mo

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[Guest guest]

I would too if I didn't take nine megs of melatonin and an antidepressant called

Surmontil, one of the few that raises REM sleep instead of lowering it. That and

a CPAP machine does it for me, but even with this I have difficulty.

Re: Re: sleep problems

I cna " go " to sleep. I just can't " stay " asleep.

Marti

--- NOVAexeter@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/12/2006 00:41:00 GMT Standard

> Time,

> cccquilter@... writes:

>

> Hi CC

>

> Oh, Mo, I have had sleep problems since childhood

> myself;

> Really? You also? Horrible isn't it.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I cna " go " to sleep. I just can't " stay " asleep.

Marti

--- NOVAexeter@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/12/2006 00:41:00 GMT Standard

> Time,

> cccquilter@... writes:

>

> Hi CC

>

> Oh, Mo, I have had sleep problems since childhood

> myself;

> Really? You also? Horrible isn't it.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I cna " go " to sleep. I just can't " stay " asleep.

Marti

--- NOVAexeter@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/12/2006 00:41:00 GMT Standard

> Time,

> cccquilter@... writes:

>

> Hi CC

>

> Oh, Mo, I have had sleep problems since childhood

> myself;

> Really? You also? Horrible isn't it.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I can " go " to sleep. I just can't " stay " asleep.

Marti

--- NOVAexeter@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/12/2006 00:41:00 GMT Standard

> Time,

> cccquilter@... writes:

>

> Hi CC

>

> Oh, Mo, I have had sleep problems since childhood

> myself;

> Really? You also? Horrible isn't it.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I can " go " to sleep. I just can't " stay " asleep.

Marti

--- NOVAexeter@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/12/2006 00:41:00 GMT Standard

> Time,

> cccquilter@... writes:

>

> Hi CC

>

> Oh, Mo, I have had sleep problems since childhood

> myself;

> Really? You also? Horrible isn't it.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I have problems both ways! It takes a long time to " get " to sleep, and then I

wake up way early, like 3-4 a.m., although I will say that since I have been on

Isocort, Iodoral, and Armour, (in that order, lol) that instead of waking up 2-3

times per night I am now down to one time per night. And it is not taking quite

as long to get to sleep as it did, so upon reflection I am definitely

encouraged. I am still tired, but after years and years and years and years,

literally life long sleep problems, my sleep deficit is such that it will take a

while. But I can already tell the difference. I am so much hoping that once I

get optimized I will be sleeping so much better and will be able to lose this

cursed weight - it affects my whole life - being this heavy affects my asthma,

my endurance, I hate myself at this weight, I could go on and on, and I KNOW I

will hurt less once I can lose weight, and I judge it will even positively

impact my sleep. Of course, I know I should go to

bed earlier, but years of just lying there for an hour or more have conditioned

me to going to bed on the late side, so THAT is going to take some

re-conditioning!

C.

<<< I can " go " to sleep. I just can't " stay " asleep.

Marti >>>

[Guest guest]

I have problems both ways! It takes a long time to " get " to sleep, and then I

wake up way early, like 3-4 a.m., although I will say that since I have been on

Isocort, Iodoral, and Armour, (in that order, lol) that instead of waking up 2-3

times per night I am now down to one time per night. And it is not taking quite

as long to get to sleep as it did, so upon reflection I am definitely

encouraged. I am still tired, but after years and years and years and years,

literally life long sleep problems, my sleep deficit is such that it will take a

while. But I can already tell the difference. I am so much hoping that once I

get optimized I will be sleeping so much better and will be able to lose this

cursed weight - it affects my whole life - being this heavy affects my asthma,

my endurance, I hate myself at this weight, I could go on and on, and I KNOW I

will hurt less once I can lose weight, and I judge it will even positively

impact my sleep. Of course, I know I should go to

bed earlier, but years of just lying there for an hour or more have conditioned

me to going to bed on the late side, so THAT is going to take some

re-conditioning!

C.

<<< I can " go " to sleep. I just can't " stay " asleep.

Marti >>>

[Guest guest]

Um, if you have a Vitamin Shoppe nearby, (or shop online at

www.VitaminShoppe.com) go check out their Snooze-In with Melatonin, about $10 a

bottle. I was taking straight melatonin, which puts me to sleep for about 3-4

hours, until I bought this stuff. Need to make sure you have time to sleep for 8

hours, because you do NOT wake up. Catmandu has to howl continuously for me to

get up! Amy the Redhead