Re: sleep problems

[Guest guest]

Hi /Kim

just to chime in here, Archie (five in January) has very similar sleep

problems: he now generally wakes around 1 am for a drink and a tuck-in, and

then wakes again at around 4-5 am, often for an hour or two, when he likes

to jump about, kick his legs, look out of the window, talk, etc. etc (all in

our room, not his room!). He has never been a particularly good sleeper

(generally used to wake 2/3 times a night for drinks/company - say for 10

minutes at a time)- but this waking " ready for the day " at 4-5 am has been

noticeable since he started mornings in reception class in mid-September. We

are hoping that his sleep will even out once he starts going to school

fulltime - this week - but I think it may take a good while.

I'm afraid I don't have any tips for getting them back to sleep - Archie

sometimes will settle back off to sleep if he comes into our bed, but quite

often he just keeps us all awake instead - which makes for some pretty

grumpy parents. I find turning a light on is definitely counter-productive,

as he then thinks we are all going to get up.

I comfort myself with the thought that at least now when he wakes in the

night he generally doesn't cry and fuss - he's not scared of unhappy, he's

just raring to go!

, Simon and Archie - 4-and-three-quarters,

Southampton, UK

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>>I've been on 12.5 mg HC for about 6-8 weeks, and have seen some

benefits, but still waking too early and often.<<

This just sounds like not enough HC. When are you taking it?

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>>I've been on 12.5 mg HC for about 6-8 weeks, and have seen some

benefits, but still waking too early and often.<<

This just sounds like not enough HC. When are you taking it?

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>>I've been on 12.5 mg HC for about 6-8 weeks, and have seen some

benefits, but still waking too early and often.<<

This just sounds like not enough HC. When are you taking it?

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Phosphorylated serine (Seriphos) is used to lower high cortisol

levels. If you are taking HC to increase your levels up to normal I am

not sure that is a product that you need to take. Have you tried

raising your HC? Or Melatonin?

Dianne

>

> Hi

>

> I've been on 12.5 mg HC for abot 6-8 weeks, and have seen some

> benefits, but still waking too early and often. I was wondering if

> anyone has tried phosphorylated serine (Seriphos) for sleeping? I

> don't know what my problem is...could be stress or glucose, but I

> wonder if my cortisol is rising too early (like 3-4 am instead of 6

> am)? Although my saliva test showed all levels were low....

>

> Any thoughts?

> Thanks

> -michael

>

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Phosphorylated serine (Seriphos) is used to lower high cortisol

levels. If you are taking HC to increase your levels up to normal I am

not sure that is a product that you need to take. Have you tried

raising your HC? Or Melatonin?

Dianne

>

> Hi

>

> I've been on 12.5 mg HC for abot 6-8 weeks, and have seen some

> benefits, but still waking too early and often. I was wondering if

> anyone has tried phosphorylated serine (Seriphos) for sleeping? I

> don't know what my problem is...could be stress or glucose, but I

> wonder if my cortisol is rising too early (like 3-4 am instead of 6

> am)? Although my saliva test showed all levels were low....

>

> Any thoughts?

> Thanks

> -michael

>

[Guest guest]

Phosphorylated serine (Seriphos) is used to lower high cortisol

levels. If you are taking HC to increase your levels up to normal I am

not sure that is a product that you need to take. Have you tried

raising your HC? Or Melatonin?

Dianne

>

> Hi

>

> I've been on 12.5 mg HC for abot 6-8 weeks, and have seen some

> benefits, but still waking too early and often. I was wondering if

> anyone has tried phosphorylated serine (Seriphos) for sleeping? I

> don't know what my problem is...could be stress or glucose, but I

> wonder if my cortisol is rising too early (like 3-4 am instead of 6

> am)? Although my saliva test showed all levels were low....

>

> Any thoughts?

> Thanks

> -michael

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Me too, though I have experienced excellent energy results at times,

sleeping is an issue with waking up early and often...I have not tried

(Seriphos) as my morning cortisol was really low before starting on HC.

It seems counter productive, but I really dont know much about it. let

me know what you find out or if you try it

>

> Hi

>

> I've been on 12.5 mg HC for abot 6-8 weeks, and have seen some

> benefits, but still waking too early and often. I was wondering if

> anyone has tried phosphorylated serine (Seriphos) for sleeping? I

> don't know what my problem is...could be stress or glucose, but I

> wonder if my cortisol is rising too early (like 3-4 am instead of 6

> am)? Although my saliva test showed all levels were low....

>

> Any thoughts?

> Thanks

> -michael

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

I responded to same symptoms, I'm taking

5-10am

2.5-3pm

2.5-8pm

thanks,

Duane

>

> >>I've been on 12.5 mg HC for about 6-8 weeks, and have seen some

> benefits, but still waking too early and often.<<

>

> This just sounds like not enough HC. When are you taking it?

>

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>>5-10am

2.5-3pm

2.5-8pm <<

It is very unlikely this will work for you. First HC os only in your body 4

hours, then it is gone. Going longer than 4 hours bwtween doses is going to

leave your body FLAT out of cortisol. Do you wake up at 10AM? When you take HC

it WILL lower your ACTH and then first thing in the morning, even if oyu

previously had high cortisol, you will now need some as this is the time of day

you need th emost cortisol.. aroiuns 8 am is a natural time for peak. Taking 2.5

at 8PM is insuiring you will run out in the night. This is just enough to lower

your night time ACTH and you will wake up a couple hours after FINALLY

struggling to sleep to find yourself shaky and weak.

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>>5-10am

2.5-3pm

2.5-8pm <<

It is very unlikely this will work for you. First HC os only in your body 4

hours, then it is gone. Going longer than 4 hours bwtween doses is going to

leave your body FLAT out of cortisol. Do you wake up at 10AM? When you take HC

it WILL lower your ACTH and then first thing in the morning, even if oyu

previously had high cortisol, you will now need some as this is the time of day

you need th emost cortisol.. aroiuns 8 am is a natural time for peak. Taking 2.5

at 8PM is insuiring you will run out in the night. This is just enough to lower

your night time ACTH and you will wake up a couple hours after FINALLY

struggling to sleep to find yourself shaky and weak.

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I get up pretty early, 5:30 assuming I will taking around 10mg total

for the day, what you would recommend? thanks val....

>

> >>5-10am

> 2.5-3pm

> 2.5-8pm <<

>

> It is very unlikely this will work for you. First HC os only in

your body 4 hours, then it is gone. Going longer than 4 hours bwtween

doses is going to leave your body FLAT out of cortisol. Do you wake

up at 10AM? When you take HC it WILL lower your ACTH and then first

thing in the morning, even if oyu previously had high cortisol, you

will now need some as this is the time of day you need th emost

cortisol.. aroiuns 8 am is a natural time for peak. Taking 2.5 at 8PM

is insuiring you will run out in the night. This is just enough to

lower your night time ACTH and you will wake up a couple hours after

FINALLY struggling to sleep to find yourself shaky and weak.

>

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I get up pretty early, 5:30 assuming I will taking around 10mg total

for the day, what you would recommend? thanks val....

>

> >>5-10am

> 2.5-3pm

> 2.5-8pm <<

>

> It is very unlikely this will work for you. First HC os only in

your body 4 hours, then it is gone. Going longer than 4 hours bwtween

doses is going to leave your body FLAT out of cortisol. Do you wake

up at 10AM? When you take HC it WILL lower your ACTH and then first

thing in the morning, even if oyu previously had high cortisol, you

will now need some as this is the time of day you need th emost

cortisol.. aroiuns 8 am is a natural time for peak. Taking 2.5 at 8PM

is insuiring you will run out in the night. This is just enough to

lower your night time ACTH and you will wake up a couple hours after

FINALLY struggling to sleep to find yourself shaky and weak.

>

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,

I'm using phosphorylated serine at night too. Take mine about 9PM. Still wake

up around 3AM...maybe as late as 4AM. But I am getting better sleep...even

dreaming. Additionally I'm taking 1/2 tsp of sea salt around 8PM. Try

that...it really helps relax me!

wrote: Hi

I've been on 12.5 mg HC for abot 6-8 weeks, and have seen some

benefits, but still waking too early and often. I was wondering if

anyone has tried phosphorylated serine (Seriphos) for sleeping? I

don't know what my problem is...could be stress or glucose, but I

wonder if my cortisol is rising too early (like 3-4 am instead of 6

am)? Although my saliva test showed all levels were low....

Any thoughts?

Thanks

-michael

[Guest guest]

Pardon me for butting in...I forgot to say that my saliva test showed depressed

cortisol during the day, but elevated levels at 11PM. And I'm also eating after

dinner now to keep my blood sugar level. Low blood sugar = high cortisol. Are

you hypoglycemic, or have low blood sugar, insulin resistant maybe???

dwarrickh wrote: Phosphorylated serine (Seriphos) is used to

lower high cortisol

levels. If you are taking HC to increase your levels up to normal I am

not sure that is a product that you need to take. Have you tried

raising your HC? Or Melatonin?

Dianne

>

> Hi

>

> I've been on 12.5 mg HC for abot 6-8 weeks, and have seen some

> benefits, but still waking too early and often. I was wondering if

> anyone has tried phosphorylated serine (Seriphos) for sleeping? I

> don't know what my problem is...could be stress or glucose, but I

> wonder if my cortisol is rising too early (like 3-4 am instead of 6

> am)? Although my saliva test showed all levels were low....

>

> Any thoughts?

> Thanks

> -michael

>

[Guest guest]

>

> >>I've been on 12.5 mg HC for about 6-8 weeks, and have seen some

> benefits, but still waking too early and often.<<

>

> This just sounds like not enough HC. When are you taking it?

My test results (Diagnostechs) were: 13@7am, 3@11am, 4@5pm, 1@11pm

I take 5@ 7am, 2.5@ 11:30, 2.5@ 2:30pm, 2.5@ 5:30pm

>

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>

> >>I've been on 12.5 mg HC for about 6-8 weeks, and have seen some

> benefits, but still waking too early and often.<<

>

> This just sounds like not enough HC. When are you taking it?

My test results (Diagnostechs) were: 13@7am, 3@11am, 4@5pm, 1@11pm

I take 5@ 7am, 2.5@ 11:30, 2.5@ 2:30pm, 2.5@ 5:30pm

>

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>>5-10am

2.5-3pm

2.5-8pm <<

It is very unlikely this will work for you. First HC os only in your body

4 hours, then it is gone. Going longer than 4 hours bwtween doses is

going to leave your body FLAT out of cortisol. Do you wake up at 10AM?

When you take HC it WILL lower your ACTH and then first thing in the

morning, even if oyu previously had high cortisol, you will now need some

as this is the time of day you need th emost cortisol.. aroiuns 8 am is a

natural time for peak. Taking 2.5 at 8PM is insuiring you will run out in

the night. This is just enough to lower your night time ACTH and you will

wake up a couple hours after FINALLY struggling to sleep to find yourself

shaky and weak.

Hi Val,

I'm jumpin' in on somebody else's post but I was confused about >>Taking

2.5 at 8PM is insuiring you will run out in the night.>> 8 p.m. is my

bed time dose, as it's when I go to sleep most nights.

I'm up about 5 a.m. and start h.c. dosing about 6 a.m. (then 10 a.m. and

2 p.m., then before bed) Am I all wrong here?

Dahlia

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>>5-10am

2.5-3pm

2.5-8pm <<

It is very unlikely this will work for you. First HC os only in your body

4 hours, then it is gone. Going longer than 4 hours bwtween doses is

going to leave your body FLAT out of cortisol. Do you wake up at 10AM?

When you take HC it WILL lower your ACTH and then first thing in the

morning, even if oyu previously had high cortisol, you will now need some

as this is the time of day you need th emost cortisol.. aroiuns 8 am is a

natural time for peak. Taking 2.5 at 8PM is insuiring you will run out in

the night. This is just enough to lower your night time ACTH and you will

wake up a couple hours after FINALLY struggling to sleep to find yourself

shaky and weak.

Hi Val,

I'm jumpin' in on somebody else's post but I was confused about >>Taking

2.5 at 8PM is insuiring you will run out in the night.>> 8 p.m. is my

bed time dose, as it's when I go to sleep most nights.

I'm up about 5 a.m. and start h.c. dosing about 6 a.m. (then 10 a.m. and

2 p.m., then before bed) Am I all wrong here?

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

>>5-10am

2.5-3pm

2.5-8pm <<

It is very unlikely this will work for you. First HC os only in your body

4 hours, then it is gone. Going longer than 4 hours bwtween doses is

going to leave your body FLAT out of cortisol. Do you wake up at 10AM?

When you take HC it WILL lower your ACTH and then first thing in the

morning, even if oyu previously had high cortisol, you will now need some

as this is the time of day you need th emost cortisol.. aroiuns 8 am is a

natural time for peak. Taking 2.5 at 8PM is insuiring you will run out in

the night. This is just enough to lower your night time ACTH and you will

wake up a couple hours after FINALLY struggling to sleep to find yourself

shaky and weak.

Hi Val,

I'm jumpin' in on somebody else's post but I was confused about >>Taking

2.5 at 8PM is insuiring you will run out in the night.>> 8 p.m. is my

bed time dose, as it's when I go to sleep most nights.

I'm up about 5 a.m. and start h.c. dosing about 6 a.m. (then 10 a.m. and

2 p.m., then before bed) Am I all wrong here?

Dahlia

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I take 5@ 7am, 2.5@ 11:30, 2.5@ 2:30pm, 2.5@ 5:30pm

I would switch to 7.5 7AM, 5 11AM, 2.5 3PM, 2.5 bedtime

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I take 5@ 7am, 2.5@ 11:30, 2.5@ 2:30pm, 2.5@ 5:30pm

I would switch to 7.5 7AM, 5 11AM, 2.5 3PM, 2.5 bedtime

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I take 5@ 7am, 2.5@ 11:30, 2.5@ 2:30pm, 2.5@ 5:30pm

I would switch to 7.5 7AM, 5 11AM, 2.5 3PM, 2.5 bedtime

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>>8 p.m. is my

bed time dose, as it's when I go to sleep most nights.

I'm up about 5 a.m. and start h.c. dosing about 6 a.m. (then 10 a.m. and

2 p.m., then before bed) Am I all wrong here?<<

Your situation is different. If you go to bed at 8PM it is fine to take it then,

but from his post he didn't start HC till 10AM so I am assuming 8PM is nOT his

bedtime..

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>

> I take 5@ 7am, 2.5@ 11:30, 2.5@ 2:30pm, 2.5@ 5:30pm

>

> I would switch to 7.5 7AM, 5 11AM, 2.5 3PM, 2.5 bedtime

>

Val:

Could you please explain why you think I need more? For Example, I'm

not sure I need any in the morning, as I never have trouble getting

up. I'm usually wide awake by 6:30, if not earlier. I guess I need to

understand the circadian cycle, and how it pertains to sleep. Are you

saying that getting levels up higher during the day will let them

drop lower at night, allowing better sleep? Or don't we want to have

really low levels at night? It seem like a dose at bedtime would

energize, not relax.

Thanks much,

-confused

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