Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Posted July 26, 2005 I agree Cy. That has ben my experience my entire life. Very few are good, and if you find one, stick with it! When I went to the emergency room for my inner ear deal, I told the doctor seeing me I know I am not low my sugar is 146 and he said that was a good sugar. Good sugar? *roll eyes* it is only good since most patients he sees are 200 and higher. I explained my a1c was 5.1 and this 146 was the result of my body having the inner ear infection. Regards, Re: C factor? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could >>>>> confuse >> >>>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under >>>>> control as I was a few months ago, or even just not motivated >>>>> enough! I think I will >> read >>>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I >> understand >>>>> it >>>>> thoroughly. >>>>> >>>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a >>>>> few years ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except >>>>> that they >> said >>>>> to >>>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), >> test >>>>> two >>>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio >> depending >>>>> on >>>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only >>>>> started actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but > >>>>> it is amazing! I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading >>>>> is below 8.0 or >> so it >>>>> is >>>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next >> meal, >>>>> so >>>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > >>>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings >>>>> to >> >>>>> make >>>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and >> I >>>>> seem >>>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast >> was >>>>> 6.5, >>>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also >> a >>>>> bit >>>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn >> phenomenon, >>>>> and >>>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). >>>>> >>>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the >>>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what >>>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog >>>>> and >> >>>>> what you ate at your >>>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be >> done >>>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I >>>>> jog >> for >>>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for >> an >>>>> hour >>>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically >> almost >>>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't >> eat >>>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > >>>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it > >>>>> drives my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with >>>>> that. My >> main >>>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound >> effect >>>>> since >>>>> I don't over-treat them. >>>>> >>>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same >>>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 >>>>> points it drops, but >>>> >>>>> I >>>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me > >>>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is >>>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will >>>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how >>>>> much >> >>>>> it drops per unit. >>>>> >>>>> Jen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quote
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Posted July 26, 2005 I agree Cy. That has ben my experience my entire life. Very few are good, and if you find one, stick with it! When I went to the emergency room for my inner ear deal, I told the doctor seeing me I know I am not low my sugar is 146 and he said that was a good sugar. Good sugar? *roll eyes* it is only good since most patients he sees are 200 and higher. I explained my a1c was 5.1 and this 146 was the result of my body having the inner ear infection. Regards, Re: C factor? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could >>>>> confuse >> >>>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under >>>>> control as I was a few months ago, or even just not motivated >>>>> enough! I think I will >> read >>>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I >> understand >>>>> it >>>>> thoroughly. >>>>> >>>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a >>>>> few years ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except >>>>> that they >> said >>>>> to >>>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), >> test >>>>> two >>>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio >> depending >>>>> on >>>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only >>>>> started actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but > >>>>> it is amazing! I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading >>>>> is below 8.0 or >> so it >>>>> is >>>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next >> meal, >>>>> so >>>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > >>>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings >>>>> to >> >>>>> make >>>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and >> I >>>>> seem >>>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast >> was >>>>> 6.5, >>>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also >> a >>>>> bit >>>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn >> phenomenon, >>>>> and >>>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). >>>>> >>>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the >>>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what >>>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog >>>>> and >> >>>>> what you ate at your >>>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be >> done >>>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I >>>>> jog >> for >>>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for >> an >>>>> hour >>>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically >> almost >>>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't >> eat >>>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > >>>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it > >>>>> drives my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with >>>>> that. My >> main >>>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound >> effect >>>>> since >>>>> I don't over-treat them. >>>>> >>>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same >>>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 >>>>> points it drops, but >>>> >>>>> I >>>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me > >>>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is >>>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will >>>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how >>>>> much >> >>>>> it drops per unit. >>>>> >>>>> Jen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quote
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Posted July 26, 2005 I agree Cy. That has ben my experience my entire life. Very few are good, and if you find one, stick with it! When I went to the emergency room for my inner ear deal, I told the doctor seeing me I know I am not low my sugar is 146 and he said that was a good sugar. Good sugar? *roll eyes* it is only good since most patients he sees are 200 and higher. I explained my a1c was 5.1 and this 146 was the result of my body having the inner ear infection. Regards, Re: C factor? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could >>>>> confuse >> >>>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under >>>>> control as I was a few months ago, or even just not motivated >>>>> enough! I think I will >> read >>>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I >> understand >>>>> it >>>>> thoroughly. >>>>> >>>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a >>>>> few years ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except >>>>> that they >> said >>>>> to >>>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), >> test >>>>> two >>>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio >> depending >>>>> on >>>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only >>>>> started actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but > >>>>> it is amazing! I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading >>>>> is below 8.0 or >> so it >>>>> is >>>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next >> meal, >>>>> so >>>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > >>>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings >>>>> to >> >>>>> make >>>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and >> I >>>>> seem >>>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast >> was >>>>> 6.5, >>>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also >> a >>>>> bit >>>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn >> phenomenon, >>>>> and >>>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). >>>>> >>>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the >>>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what >>>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog >>>>> and >> >>>>> what you ate at your >>>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be >> done >>>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I >>>>> jog >> for >>>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for >> an >>>>> hour >>>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically >> almost >>>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't >> eat >>>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > >>>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it > >>>>> drives my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with >>>>> that. My >> main >>>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound >> effect >>>>> since >>>>> I don't over-treat them. >>>>> >>>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same >>>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 >>>>> points it drops, but >>>> >>>>> I >>>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me > >>>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is >>>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will >>>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how >>>>> much >> >>>>> it drops per unit. >>>>> >>>>> Jen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quote
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Posted July 26, 2005 Mike, Some people eat to live and some live to eat-you obviously are the first category! Food is jus not that important to me either as I woul rather be healthy. Re: C factor? Harry: I understand. I joined the list for information also as I was diagnosed as diabetic (Type 1, would you believe) only last March. And I'm nearly 57 years old. Ah well; truth is stranger than fiction. My question was really why someone who *didn't* want to get advice would join the list. But that's just my befuddlement at the human psyche. (grin) For 's benefit, I'm also a computer programmer -- an anachronism: I still program mainframes to some degree. I'm also lucky in that I don't have food cravings so complaints of missing foods just dont compute for me. It's not that I don't enjoy food; it's just not all that important. As says, what's food when compared to a healthy life? Mike Re: C factor? >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse > >>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under >>>> control as I was >>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will > read >>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > understand >>>> it >>>> thoroughly. >>>> >>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few >>>> years >>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they > said >>>> to >>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), > test >>>> two >>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > depending >>>> on >>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started >>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is >>>> amazing! >>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or > so it >>>> is >>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next > meal, >>>> so >>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next >>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to > >>>> make >>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and > I >>>> seem >>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast > was >>>> 6.5, >>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also > a >>>> bit >>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > phenomenon, >>>> and >>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). >>>> >>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the >>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what >>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and > >>>> what you ate at your >>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be > done >>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog > for >>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for > an >>>> hour >>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > almost >>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't > eat >>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as >>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it >>>> drives >>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My > main >>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > effect >>>> since >>>> I don't over-treat them. >>>> >>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same >>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 >>>> points it drops, but >>> >>>> I >>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me >>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is >>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will >>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much > >>>> it drops per unit. >>>> >>>> Jen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Posted July 26, 2005 Mike, Some people eat to live and some live to eat-you obviously are the first category! Food is jus not that important to me either as I woul rather be healthy. Re: C factor? Harry: I understand. I joined the list for information also as I was diagnosed as diabetic (Type 1, would you believe) only last March. And I'm nearly 57 years old. Ah well; truth is stranger than fiction. My question was really why someone who *didn't* want to get advice would join the list. But that's just my befuddlement at the human psyche. (grin) For 's benefit, I'm also a computer programmer -- an anachronism: I still program mainframes to some degree. I'm also lucky in that I don't have food cravings so complaints of missing foods just dont compute for me. It's not that I don't enjoy food; it's just not all that important. As says, what's food when compared to a healthy life? Mike Re: C factor? >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse > >>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under >>>> control as I was >>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will > read >>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > understand >>>> it >>>> thoroughly. >>>> >>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few >>>> years >>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they > said >>>> to >>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), > test >>>> two >>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > depending >>>> on >>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started >>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is >>>> amazing! >>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or > so it >>>> is >>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next > meal, >>>> so >>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next >>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to > >>>> make >>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and > I >>>> seem >>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast > was >>>> 6.5, >>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also > a >>>> bit >>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > phenomenon, >>>> and >>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). >>>> >>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the >>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what >>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and > >>>> what you ate at your >>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be > done >>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog > for >>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for > an >>>> hour >>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > almost >>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't > eat >>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as >>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it >>>> drives >>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My > main >>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > effect >>>> since >>>> I don't over-treat them. >>>> >>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same >>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 >>>> points it drops, but >>> >>>> I >>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me >>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is >>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will >>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much > >>>> it drops per unit. >>>> >>>> Jen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Posted July 26, 2005 Mike, Some people eat to live and some live to eat-you obviously are the first category! Food is jus not that important to me either as I woul rather be healthy. Re: C factor? Harry: I understand. I joined the list for information also as I was diagnosed as diabetic (Type 1, would you believe) only last March. And I'm nearly 57 years old. Ah well; truth is stranger than fiction. My question was really why someone who *didn't* want to get advice would join the list. But that's just my befuddlement at the human psyche. (grin) For 's benefit, I'm also a computer programmer -- an anachronism: I still program mainframes to some degree. I'm also lucky in that I don't have food cravings so complaints of missing foods just dont compute for me. It's not that I don't enjoy food; it's just not all that important. As says, what's food when compared to a healthy life? Mike Re: C factor? >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse > >>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under >>>> control as I was >>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will > read >>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > understand >>>> it >>>> thoroughly. >>>> >>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few >>>> years >>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they > said >>>> to >>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), > test >>>> two >>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > depending >>>> on >>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started >>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is >>>> amazing! >>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or > so it >>>> is >>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next > meal, >>>> so >>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next >>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to > >>>> make >>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and > I >>>> seem >>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast > was >>>> 6.5, >>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also > a >>>> bit >>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > phenomenon, >>>> and >>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). >>>> >>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the >>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what >>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and > >>>> what you ate at your >>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be > done >>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog > for >>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for > an >>>> hour >>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > almost >>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't > eat >>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as >>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it >>>> drives >>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My > main >>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > effect >>>> since >>>> I don't over-treat them. >>>> >>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same >>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 >>>> points it drops, but >>> >>>> I >>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me >>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is >>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will >>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much > >>>> it drops per unit. >>>> >>>> Jen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Posted July 27, 2005 *laugh* good one Harry. Regards, Re: C factor? > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could > > > confuse > > > >> someone > > > >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under > control > > > as I > > > >> was > > > >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I > will > > > read > > > >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > > > understand it > > > >> thoroughly. > > > >> > > > >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a > > > few years > > > >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that > they > > > said to > > > >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of > carbs), > > > test > > > >> two > > > >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > > > depending on > > > >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only > > > started > > > >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it > is > > > amazing! > > > >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 > or > > > so it > > > >> is > > > >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the > next > > > meal, > > > >> so > > > >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the > next > > > >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour > readings > > > to make > > > >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day > and > > > I seem > > > >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after > breakfast > > > was 6.5, > > > >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is > also > > > a bit > > > >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > > > phenomenon, > > > >> and > > > >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > > >> > > > >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the > > > intensity > > > >> of > > > >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was > > > eaten > > > >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you > ate > > > at your > > > >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to > be > > > done > > > >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I > > > jog for > > > >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths > for > > > an hour > > > >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > > > almost > > > >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I > don't > > > eat > > > >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not > as > > > >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards > it > > > drives > > > >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. > My > > > main > > > >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > > > effect > > > >> since > > > >> I don't over-treat them. > > > >> > > > >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same > > > time as > > > >> you > > > >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it > > > drops, but > > > > > > > >> I > > > >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for > me > > > to > > > >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is > if > > > it > > > >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will > record > > > what > > > >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it > drops > > > per > > > >> unit. > > > >> > > > >> Jen > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Quote
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Posted July 27, 2005 *laugh* good one Harry. Regards, Re: C factor? > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could > > > confuse > > > >> someone > > > >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under > control > > > as I > > > >> was > > > >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I > will > > > read > > > >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > > > understand it > > > >> thoroughly. > > > >> > > > >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a > > > few years > > > >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that > they > > > said to > > > >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of > carbs), > > > test > > > >> two > > > >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > > > depending on > > > >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only > > > started > > > >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it > is > > > amazing! > > > >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 > or > > > so it > > > >> is > > > >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the > next > > > meal, > > > >> so > > > >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the > next > > > >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour > readings > > > to make > > > >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day > and > > > I seem > > > >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after > breakfast > > > was 6.5, > > > >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is > also > > > a bit > > > >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > > > phenomenon, > > > >> and > > > >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > > >> > > > >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the > > > intensity > > > >> of > > > >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was > > > eaten > > > >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you > ate > > > at your > > > >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to > be > > > done > > > >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I > > > jog for > > > >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths > for > > > an hour > > > >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > > > almost > > > >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I > don't > > > eat > > > >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not > as > > > >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards > it > > > drives > > > >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. > My > > > main > > > >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > > > effect > > > >> since > > > >> I don't over-treat them. > > > >> > > > >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same > > > time as > > > >> you > > > >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it > > > drops, but > > > > > > > >> I > > > >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for > me > > > to > > > >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is > if > > > it > > > >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will > record > > > what > > > >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it > drops > > > per > > > >> unit. > > > >> > > > >> Jen > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Quote
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Posted July 27, 2005 *laugh* good one Harry. Regards, Re: C factor? > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could > > > confuse > > > >> someone > > > >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under > control > > > as I > > > >> was > > > >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I > will > > > read > > > >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > > > understand it > > > >> thoroughly. > > > >> > > > >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a > > > few years > > > >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that > they > > > said to > > > >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of > carbs), > > > test > > > >> two > > > >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > > > depending on > > > >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only > > > started > > > >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it > is > > > amazing! > > > >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 > or > > > so it > > > >> is > > > >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the > next > > > meal, > > > >> so > > > >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the > next > > > >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour > readings > > > to make > > > >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day > and > > > I seem > > > >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after > breakfast > > > was 6.5, > > > >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is > also > > > a bit > > > >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > > > phenomenon, > > > >> and > > > >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > > >> > > > >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the > > > intensity > > > >> of > > > >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was > > > eaten > > > >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you > ate > > > at your > > > >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to > be > > > done > > > >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I > > > jog for > > > >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths > for > > > an hour > > > >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > > > almost > > > >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I > don't > > > eat > > > >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not > as > > > >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards > it > > > drives > > > >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. > My > > > main > > > >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > > > effect > > > >> since > > > >> I don't over-treat them. > > > >> > > > >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same > > > time as > > > >> you > > > >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it > > > drops, but > > > > > > > >> I > > > >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for > me > > > to > > > >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is > if > > > it > > > >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will > record > > > what > > > >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it > drops > > > per > > > >> unit. > > > >> > > > >> Jen > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Quote
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Posted July 27, 2005 Hmm? Cy, the Ancient Okie... Re: C factor? It is just my cinical way of expressing another point of view as to why some diabetics do not follow sound advice. So smile while you read it. Re: C factor? > > > > > > > > >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could > > confuse > > >> someone > > >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control > > as I > > >> was > > >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will > > read > > >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > > understand it > > >> thoroughly. > > >> > > >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a > > few years > > >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they > > said to > > >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), > > test > > >> two > > >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > > depending on > > >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only > > started > > >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is > > amazing! > > >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or > > so it > > >> is > > >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next > > meal, > > >> so > > >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > > >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings > > to make > > >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and > > I seem > > >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast > > was 6.5, > > >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also > > a bit > > >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > > phenomenon, > > >> and > > >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > >> > > >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the > > intensity > > >> of > > >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was > > eaten > > >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate > > at your > > >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be > > done > > >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I > > jog for > > >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for > > an hour > > >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > > almost > > >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't > > eat > > >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > > >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it > > drives > > >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My > > main > > >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > > effect > > >> since > > >> I don't over-treat them. > > >> > > >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same > > time as > > >> you > > >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it > > drops, but > > > > > >> I > > >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me > > to > > >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if > > it > > >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record > > what > > >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops > > per > > >> unit. > > >> > > >> Jen > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Posted July 27, 2005 Hmm? Cy, the Ancient Okie... Re: C factor? It is just my cinical way of expressing another point of view as to why some diabetics do not follow sound advice. So smile while you read it. Re: C factor? > > > > > > > > >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could > > confuse > > >> someone > > >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control > > as I > > >> was > > >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will > > read > > >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > > understand it > > >> thoroughly. > > >> > > >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a > > few years > > >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they > > said to > > >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), > > test > > >> two > > >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > > depending on > > >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only > > started > > >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is > > amazing! > > >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or > > so it > > >> is > > >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next > > meal, > > >> so > > >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > > >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings > > to make > > >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and > > I seem > > >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast > > was 6.5, > > >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also > > a bit > > >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > > phenomenon, > > >> and > > >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > >> > > >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the > > intensity > > >> of > > >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was > > eaten > > >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate > > at your > > >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be > > done > > >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I > > jog for > > >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for > > an hour > > >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > > almost > > >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't > > eat > > >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > > >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it > > drives > > >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My > > main > > >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > > effect > > >> since > > >> I don't over-treat them. > > >> > > >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same > > time as > > >> you > > >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it > > drops, but > > > > > >> I > > >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me > > to > > >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if > > it > > >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record > > what > > >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops > > per > > >> unit. > > >> > > >> Jen > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Posted July 27, 2005 Hmm? Cy, the Ancient Okie... Re: C factor? It is just my cinical way of expressing another point of view as to why some diabetics do not follow sound advice. So smile while you read it. Re: C factor? > > > > > > > > >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could > > confuse > > >> someone > > >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control > > as I > > >> was > > >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will > > read > > >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > > understand it > > >> thoroughly. > > >> > > >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a > > few years > > >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they > > said to > > >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), > > test > > >> two > > >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > > depending on > > >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only > > started > > >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is > > amazing! > > >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or > > so it > > >> is > > >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next > > meal, > > >> so > > >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > > >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings > > to make > > >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and > > I seem > > >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast > > was 6.5, > > >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also > > a bit > > >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > > phenomenon, > > >> and > > >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > >> > > >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the > > intensity > > >> of > > >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was > > eaten > > >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate > > at your > > >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be > > done > > >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I > > jog for > > >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for > > an hour > > >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > > almost > > >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't > > eat > > >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > > >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it > > drives > > >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My > > main > > >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > > effect > > >> since > > >> I don't over-treat them. > > >> > > >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same > > time as > > >> you > > >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it > > drops, but > > > > > >> I > > >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me > > to > > >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if > > it > > >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record > > what > > >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops > > per > > >> unit. > > >> > > >> Jen > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote
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