Re: C factor?

[Guest guest]

Do I smell a stinker? Peeew! Did I lie? Did I misrepresent the facts?

Some people just do not like facing the truth, and I wonder who that would

be. Hmm, let me see...

Re: C factor?

>>

>>

>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>>> someone

>>> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I

>>> was

>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read

>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand

>>> it

>>> thoroughly.

>>>

>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>> years

>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said

>>> to

>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test

>>> two

>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending

>>> on

>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>> amazing!

>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it

>>> is

>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal,

>>> so

>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>>> make

>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I

>>> seem

>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was

>>> 6.5,

>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a

>>> bit

>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon,

>>> and

>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>

>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity

>>> of

>>> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

>>> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at

>>> your

>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for

>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an

>>> hour

>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>> drives

>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main

>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

>>> since

>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>

>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as

>>> you

>>> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops,

>>> but I

>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

>>> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

>>> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what

>>> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

>>> unit.

>>>

>>> Jen

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Do I smell a stinker? Peeew! Did I lie? Did I misrepresent the facts?

Some people just do not like facing the truth, and I wonder who that would

be. Hmm, let me see...

Re: C factor?

>>

>>

>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>>> someone

>>> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I

>>> was

>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read

>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand

>>> it

>>> thoroughly.

>>>

>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>> years

>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said

>>> to

>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test

>>> two

>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending

>>> on

>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>> amazing!

>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it

>>> is

>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal,

>>> so

>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>>> make

>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I

>>> seem

>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was

>>> 6.5,

>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a

>>> bit

>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon,

>>> and

>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>

>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity

>>> of

>>> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

>>> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at

>>> your

>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for

>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an

>>> hour

>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>> drives

>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main

>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

>>> since

>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>

>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as

>>> you

>>> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops,

>>> but I

>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

>>> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

>>> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what

>>> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

>>> unit.

>>>

>>> Jen

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

I am not trying to win a popularity contest. I am trying to help people

keep alive and have fewer complications if possible. If the facts upset

you, then so be it!

Re: C factor?

>>

>>

>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>>> someone

>>> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I

>>> was

>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read

>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand

>>> it

>>> thoroughly.

>>>

>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>> years

>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said

>>> to

>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test

>>> two

>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending

>>> on

>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>> amazing!

>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it

>>> is

>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal,

>>> so

>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>>> make

>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I

>>> seem

>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was

>>> 6.5,

>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a

>>> bit

>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon,

>>> and

>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>

>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity

>>> of

>>> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

>>> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at

>>> your

>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for

>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an

>>> hour

>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>> drives

>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main

>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

>>> since

>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>

>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as

>>> you

>>> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops,

>>> but I

>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

>>> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

>>> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what

>>> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

>>> unit.

>>>

>>> Jen

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

I am not trying to win a popularity contest. I am trying to help people

keep alive and have fewer complications if possible. If the facts upset

you, then so be it!

Re: C factor?

>>

>>

>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>>> someone

>>> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I

>>> was

>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read

>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand

>>> it

>>> thoroughly.

>>>

>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>> years

>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said

>>> to

>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test

>>> two

>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending

>>> on

>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>> amazing!

>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it

>>> is

>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal,

>>> so

>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>>> make

>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I

>>> seem

>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was

>>> 6.5,

>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a

>>> bit

>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon,

>>> and

>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>

>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity

>>> of

>>> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

>>> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at

>>> your

>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for

>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an

>>> hour

>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>> drives

>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main

>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

>>> since

>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>

>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as

>>> you

>>> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops,

>>> but I

>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

>>> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

>>> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what

>>> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

>>> unit.

>>>

>>> Jen

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

,

Come to think about it, have you mastered blood glucose level control yet?

Have you mastered the skill of counting a specific number of grams of carbs

for each meal yet? Do you know exactly how many units of Humalog it takes

to deal with 15 grams of carbs yet? Do you know exactly how many units of

Humalog it takes to deal with 30 grams of carbs yet?

Have you stopped having those rrebound effects yet? Do you still rely upon

your doctor to prescribe your insulin dosage or is it entirely up to you?

Are you in control or is some body else running your life? If any of these

questions offend you, then you need to be offended, especially if the

answers to any of them are " no " or " I don't know. "

I believe the real stinker here is no longer present. I also believe as

much as a person can love another via email, I love you very much,

especially after our long relationship, which I value very much. So get

with it and stay alive and well!

Re: C factor?

>>>

>>>

>>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>>>> someone

>>>> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I

>>>> was

>>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

>>>> read

>>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand

>>>> it

>>>> thoroughly.

>>>>

>>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>>> years

>>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said

>>>> to

>>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

>>>> test

>>>> two

>>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending

>>>> on

>>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>>> amazing!

>>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so

>>>> it

>>>> is

>>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

>>>> meal,

>>>> so

>>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>>>> make

>>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I

>>>> seem

>>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was

>>>> 6.5,

>>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a

>>>> bit

>>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

>>>> phenomenon,

>>>> and

>>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>>

>>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

>>>> intensity

>>>> of

>>>> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

>>>> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at

>>>> your

>>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

>>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog

>>>> for

>>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an

>>>> hour

>>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

>>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

>>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>>> drives

>>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

>>>> main

>>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

>>>> since

>>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>>

>>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time

>>>> as

>>>> you

>>>> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops,

>>>> but I

>>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

>>>> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

>>>> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record

>>>> what

>>>> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

>>>> unit.

>>>>

>>>> Jen

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

,

Come to think about it, have you mastered blood glucose level control yet?

Have you mastered the skill of counting a specific number of grams of carbs

for each meal yet? Do you know exactly how many units of Humalog it takes

to deal with 15 grams of carbs yet? Do you know exactly how many units of

Humalog it takes to deal with 30 grams of carbs yet?

Have you stopped having those rrebound effects yet? Do you still rely upon

your doctor to prescribe your insulin dosage or is it entirely up to you?

Are you in control or is some body else running your life? If any of these

questions offend you, then you need to be offended, especially if the

answers to any of them are " no " or " I don't know. "

I believe the real stinker here is no longer present. I also believe as

much as a person can love another via email, I love you very much,

especially after our long relationship, which I value very much. So get

with it and stay alive and well!

Re: C factor?

>>>

>>>

>>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>>>> someone

>>>> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I

>>>> was

>>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

>>>> read

>>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand

>>>> it

>>>> thoroughly.

>>>>

>>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>>> years

>>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said

>>>> to

>>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

>>>> test

>>>> two

>>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending

>>>> on

>>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>>> amazing!

>>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so

>>>> it

>>>> is

>>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

>>>> meal,

>>>> so

>>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>>>> make

>>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I

>>>> seem

>>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was

>>>> 6.5,

>>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a

>>>> bit

>>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

>>>> phenomenon,

>>>> and

>>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>>

>>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

>>>> intensity

>>>> of

>>>> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

>>>> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at

>>>> your

>>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

>>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog

>>>> for

>>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an

>>>> hour

>>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

>>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

>>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>>> drives

>>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

>>>> main

>>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

>>>> since

>>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>>

>>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time

>>>> as

>>>> you

>>>> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops,

>>>> but I

>>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

>>>> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

>>>> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record

>>>> what

>>>> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

>>>> unit.

>>>>

>>>> Jen

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

Harry, my concern is when you talk about Wayne. you do not realize he that

has a family, friends and loved ones. even people like myself that never

knew him were effected by his death. and no I am not perfect yet and have a

lot of work to do before getting there but I know when I have to back off

and take time out and I had reached this point.

Re: C factor?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>>>>> someone

>>>>> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as

>>>>> I

>>>>> was

>>>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

>>>>> read

>>>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand

>>>>> it

>>>>> thoroughly.

>>>>>

>>>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>>>> years

>>>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

>>>>> said

>>>>> to

>>>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

>>>>> test

>>>>> two

>>>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

>>>>> depending

>>>>> on

>>>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>>>> amazing!

>>>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so

>>>>> it

>>>>> is

>>>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

>>>>> meal,

>>>>> so

>>>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>>>>> make

>>>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I

>>>>> seem

>>>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was

>>>>> 6.5,

>>>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a

>>>>> bit

>>>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

>>>>> phenomenon,

>>>>> and

>>>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>>>

>>>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

>>>>> intensity

>>>>> of

>>>>> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

>>>>> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at

>>>>> your

>>>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

>>>>> done

>>>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog

>>>>> for

>>>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an

>>>>> hour

>>>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

>>>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

>>>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>>>> drives

>>>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

>>>>> main

>>>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

>>>>> since

>>>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>>>

>>>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time

>>>>> as

>>>>> you

>>>>> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops,

>>>>> but I

>>>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

>>>>> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

>>>>> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record

>>>>> what

>>>>> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

>>>>> unit.

>>>>>

>>>>> Jen

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

Harry, my concern is when you talk about Wayne. you do not realize he that

has a family, friends and loved ones. even people like myself that never

knew him were effected by his death. and no I am not perfect yet and have a

lot of work to do before getting there but I know when I have to back off

and take time out and I had reached this point.

Re: C factor?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>>>>> someone

>>>>> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as

>>>>> I

>>>>> was

>>>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

>>>>> read

>>>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand

>>>>> it

>>>>> thoroughly.

>>>>>

>>>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>>>> years

>>>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

>>>>> said

>>>>> to

>>>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

>>>>> test

>>>>> two

>>>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

>>>>> depending

>>>>> on

>>>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>>>> amazing!

>>>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so

>>>>> it

>>>>> is

>>>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

>>>>> meal,

>>>>> so

>>>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>>>>> make

>>>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I

>>>>> seem

>>>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was

>>>>> 6.5,

>>>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a

>>>>> bit

>>>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

>>>>> phenomenon,

>>>>> and

>>>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>>>

>>>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

>>>>> intensity

>>>>> of

>>>>> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

>>>>> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at

>>>>> your

>>>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

>>>>> done

>>>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog

>>>>> for

>>>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an

>>>>> hour

>>>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

>>>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

>>>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>>>> drives

>>>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

>>>>> main

>>>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

>>>>> since

>>>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>>>

>>>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time

>>>>> as

>>>>> you

>>>>> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops,

>>>>> but I

>>>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

>>>>> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

>>>>> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record

>>>>> what

>>>>> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

>>>>> unit.

>>>>>

>>>>> Jen

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

This is the reply I sent to Mike's admonishments.

Your poem reminds me of some of my training. I especially remember

professor Doctor Nuttycomb, one of my biology professors. I kid you not,

this was his real name and I had him for human biology and microbiology. On

the very first examination I took under him I felt very good afterwards,

because I knew that I was correct on most of his multiple answer questions.

I figured I had made around a high B or at least 80% on his first test.

When he asked for an answer, he wanted the complete answer. If he asked for

the circulation path of the blood through the heart, he wanted to know that

you knew what you were talking about. If you could not name each chaber and

each valve in the chambers, that is every chamber in the heart, and the

exact path of the blood flow through each valve and each chamber, then you

did not know. If a question had five multiple parts and you knew only four

of them, then you did not get 80% as most professors would give, but a big

fat zero. I was unpleasantly surprised at my first test score as was the

rest of the class, over half of which fluncked his courses. Those who made

it through his courses with good grades, as I did, knew what they were

talking about and no one could make any mistake about that. I am a trained

scientist and I present the facts as I see them, usually in several places,

since a scientist relies upon verification of his data. In my medical

practice I would beat the patients over the head with the facts until they

believed them. they knew the answer to all of my questions , too. If

they did not know the correct answer, I would continue pounding the facts

into their heads until they did. Calling me dirty names does not bother me

at all , since I have been called practically all of them you and any body

else can think of and plenty more. I have even been physically attacked by

seveeral of my patients who refused to listen to me or who did not like what

I had to say to them, but they usually begged to have me back as their

therapist once they were placed under the care of another therapist. They

learned that I did straight talking with them. I have dealt with thousands

of patients and hundreds of doctors and I can say for sure I do not like

dilly dallying around by the patient or the doctor. I do not like shilly

shallaying either, especially when one knows the answer to a question. I am

heartened by 's response, since it struck a nerve and it proves to me

that she is still in the game of life and cares. I believe there is still

hope for her, and if she spends half as much energy in figuring out the

answers to my questions as she spends in venting her frustration, then she

will master blood glucose control. Even my wife calls me Ah Harry, an

endearment term for asshole Harry, when she gets frustrated with me, which

is sometimes frequent, but one thingfor sure she knows is I love her very

much. So I will continue to present the facts as I see them and let the

profanity fall where it may.

Re: C factor?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>>>>>> someone

>>>>>> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as

>>>>>> I

>>>>>> was

>>>>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

>>>>>> read

>>>>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I

>>>>>> understand

>>>>>> it

>>>>>> thoroughly.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>>>>> years

>>>>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

>>>>>> said

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

>>>>>> test

>>>>>> two

>>>>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

>>>>>> depending

>>>>>> on

>>>>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>>>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>>>>> amazing!

>>>>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so

>>>>>> it

>>>>>> is

>>>>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

>>>>>> meal,

>>>>>> so

>>>>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>>>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>>>>>> make

>>>>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I

>>>>>> seem

>>>>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was

>>>>>> 6.5,

>>>>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a

>>>>>> bit

>>>>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

>>>>>> phenomenon,

>>>>>> and

>>>>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

>>>>>> intensity

>>>>>> of

>>>>>> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

>>>>>> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at

>>>>>> your

>>>>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

>>>>>> done

>>>>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog

>>>>>> for

>>>>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an

>>>>>> hour

>>>>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically

>>>>>> almost

>>>>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

>>>>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>>>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>>>>> drives

>>>>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

>>>>>> main

>>>>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound

>>>>>> effect

>>>>>> since

>>>>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time

>>>>>> as

>>>>>> you

>>>>>> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it

>>>>>> drops,

>>>>>> but I

>>>>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

>>>>>> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record

>>>>>> what

>>>>>> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

>>>>>> unit.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Jen

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

This is the reply I sent to Mike's admonishments.

Your poem reminds me of some of my training. I especially remember

professor Doctor Nuttycomb, one of my biology professors. I kid you not,

this was his real name and I had him for human biology and microbiology. On

the very first examination I took under him I felt very good afterwards,

because I knew that I was correct on most of his multiple answer questions.

I figured I had made around a high B or at least 80% on his first test.

When he asked for an answer, he wanted the complete answer. If he asked for

the circulation path of the blood through the heart, he wanted to know that

you knew what you were talking about. If you could not name each chaber and

each valve in the chambers, that is every chamber in the heart, and the

exact path of the blood flow through each valve and each chamber, then you

did not know. If a question had five multiple parts and you knew only four

of them, then you did not get 80% as most professors would give, but a big

fat zero. I was unpleasantly surprised at my first test score as was the

rest of the class, over half of which fluncked his courses. Those who made

it through his courses with good grades, as I did, knew what they were

talking about and no one could make any mistake about that. I am a trained

scientist and I present the facts as I see them, usually in several places,

since a scientist relies upon verification of his data. In my medical

practice I would beat the patients over the head with the facts until they

believed them. they knew the answer to all of my questions , too. If

they did not know the correct answer, I would continue pounding the facts

into their heads until they did. Calling me dirty names does not bother me

at all , since I have been called practically all of them you and any body

else can think of and plenty more. I have even been physically attacked by

seveeral of my patients who refused to listen to me or who did not like what

I had to say to them, but they usually begged to have me back as their

therapist once they were placed under the care of another therapist. They

learned that I did straight talking with them. I have dealt with thousands

of patients and hundreds of doctors and I can say for sure I do not like

dilly dallying around by the patient or the doctor. I do not like shilly

shallaying either, especially when one knows the answer to a question. I am

heartened by 's response, since it struck a nerve and it proves to me

that she is still in the game of life and cares. I believe there is still

hope for her, and if she spends half as much energy in figuring out the

answers to my questions as she spends in venting her frustration, then she

will master blood glucose control. Even my wife calls me Ah Harry, an

endearment term for asshole Harry, when she gets frustrated with me, which

is sometimes frequent, but one thingfor sure she knows is I love her very

much. So I will continue to present the facts as I see them and let the

profanity fall where it may.

Re: C factor?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>>>>>> someone

>>>>>> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as

>>>>>> I

>>>>>> was

>>>>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

>>>>>> read

>>>>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I

>>>>>> understand

>>>>>> it

>>>>>> thoroughly.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>>>>> years

>>>>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

>>>>>> said

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

>>>>>> test

>>>>>> two

>>>>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

>>>>>> depending

>>>>>> on

>>>>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>>>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>>>>> amazing!

>>>>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so

>>>>>> it

>>>>>> is

>>>>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

>>>>>> meal,

>>>>>> so

>>>>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>>>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>>>>>> make

>>>>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I

>>>>>> seem

>>>>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was

>>>>>> 6.5,

>>>>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a

>>>>>> bit

>>>>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

>>>>>> phenomenon,

>>>>>> and

>>>>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

>>>>>> intensity

>>>>>> of

>>>>>> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

>>>>>> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at

>>>>>> your

>>>>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

>>>>>> done

>>>>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog

>>>>>> for

>>>>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an

>>>>>> hour

>>>>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically

>>>>>> almost

>>>>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

>>>>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>>>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>>>>> drives

>>>>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

>>>>>> main

>>>>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound

>>>>>> effect

>>>>>> since

>>>>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time

>>>>>> as

>>>>>> you

>>>>>> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it

>>>>>> drops,

>>>>>> but I

>>>>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

>>>>>> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record

>>>>>> what

>>>>>> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

>>>>>> unit.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Jen

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

[Guest guest]

I'm afraid you are right about Wayne, harry and it sickens me that too many

people either are afraid to take control of themselves -or are so unsure of

themselves they can't trust themselves enough to take charge. Those kind of

people loose control of their whole lives, I'm afraid.

Re: C factor?

It confuses most folks for a very simple reason. They do not want to spend

the time and effort in learning each cue for themselves. It is just a lot

easier to follow the doctors orders. That way I do not have to take

responsibility for what happens to me. I can always blame the doctor. That

is what Wayne did. By the way Wayne wound up with no legs, no feet no

functioning kidneys and oh yeah, Wayne is now dead. I do not believe these

facts bothered his doctor at all. Come to think of it, I do not believe

they bother Wayne at all now. He definitely insisted on listening to his

doctor no matter how poorly his bs levels were for several years before he

passed on. He definitely refused to listen to what any of us had to say,

while he was here. He made his choices and he paid the consequences. Who

is to say what the best choice would be, since we all must die. I prefer to

choose life and health without complications if possible, and it is.

Re: C factor?

> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

> someone

> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I

> was

> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read

> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it

> thoroughly.

>

> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few years

> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said to

> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test

> two

> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending on

> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is amazing!

> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it

> is

> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal,

> so

> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make

> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I seem

> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was 6.5,

> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit

> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon,

> and

> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>

> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity

> of

> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at your

> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for

> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an hour

> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it drives

> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main

> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

> since

> I don't over-treat them.

>

> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as

> you

> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, but

> I

> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what

> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

> unit.

>

> Jen

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm afraid you are right about Wayne, harry and it sickens me that too many

people either are afraid to take control of themselves -or are so unsure of

themselves they can't trust themselves enough to take charge. Those kind of

people loose control of their whole lives, I'm afraid.

Re: C factor?

It confuses most folks for a very simple reason. They do not want to spend

the time and effort in learning each cue for themselves. It is just a lot

easier to follow the doctors orders. That way I do not have to take

responsibility for what happens to me. I can always blame the doctor. That

is what Wayne did. By the way Wayne wound up with no legs, no feet no

functioning kidneys and oh yeah, Wayne is now dead. I do not believe these

facts bothered his doctor at all. Come to think of it, I do not believe

they bother Wayne at all now. He definitely insisted on listening to his

doctor no matter how poorly his bs levels were for several years before he

passed on. He definitely refused to listen to what any of us had to say,

while he was here. He made his choices and he paid the consequences. Who

is to say what the best choice would be, since we all must die. I prefer to

choose life and health without complications if possible, and it is.

Re: C factor?

> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

> someone

> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I

> was

> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read

> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it

> thoroughly.

>

> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few years

> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said to

> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test

> two

> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending on

> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is amazing!

> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it

> is

> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal,

> so

> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make

> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I seem

> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was 6.5,

> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit

> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon,

> and

> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>

> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity

> of

> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at your

> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for

> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an hour

> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it drives

> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main

> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

> since

> I don't over-treat them.

>

> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as

> you

> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, but

> I

> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what

> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

> unit.

>

> Jen

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm afraid you are right about Wayne, harry and it sickens me that too many

people either are afraid to take control of themselves -or are so unsure of

themselves they can't trust themselves enough to take charge. Those kind of

people loose control of their whole lives, I'm afraid.

Re: C factor?

It confuses most folks for a very simple reason. They do not want to spend

the time and effort in learning each cue for themselves. It is just a lot

easier to follow the doctors orders. That way I do not have to take

responsibility for what happens to me. I can always blame the doctor. That

is what Wayne did. By the way Wayne wound up with no legs, no feet no

functioning kidneys and oh yeah, Wayne is now dead. I do not believe these

facts bothered his doctor at all. Come to think of it, I do not believe

they bother Wayne at all now. He definitely insisted on listening to his

doctor no matter how poorly his bs levels were for several years before he

passed on. He definitely refused to listen to what any of us had to say,

while he was here. He made his choices and he paid the consequences. Who

is to say what the best choice would be, since we all must die. I prefer to

choose life and health without complications if possible, and it is.

Re: C factor?

> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

> someone

> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I

> was

> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read

> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it

> thoroughly.

>

> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few years

> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said to

> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test

> two

> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending on

> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is amazing!

> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it

> is

> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal,

> so

> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make

> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I seem

> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was 6.5,

> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit

> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon,

> and

> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>

> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity

> of

> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at your

> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for

> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an hour

> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it drives

> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main

> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

> since

> I don't over-treat them.

>

> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as

> you

> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, but

> I

> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what

> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

> unit.

>

> Jen

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, as an interested bystander I will comment on Wayne.

Wayne was one of the most interesting people I have ever met. He was a

message therapist and worked for many years at a (for the lack of a

better term) health farm where many athletes trained. In his career he

met and worked on some pretty impressive folks such as Blanda,

Darryl Lemonica and other Raiders. Wayne was quite intelligent and

pretty well self assured.

I was not on the list when Wayne joined but I do remember that he really

did not want to heed the advice given him. Just as many of us, Wayne

really didn't want to hear what he didn't want to hear.

He became very angry when he was told that what he was doing was going

to cost him dearly.

Finally, after the amputation of his leg he decided to stop, smell the

roses and listen but, most unfortunately, it was much too late. The

major damage had already been done.

I really began to know Wayne when he was in the hospital long about

Christmas of last year. I can not clearly remember but I believe he was

in that hospital for 4 or so months. They had to amputate the second leg

and, as with many Diabetics, some infections set in due to his being in

bed for so long. These infections seemed to just spread all over his

system. He finallhy got well enough to go to an assisted living center

where he, again, became infected and had to go back to hospital where he

eventually passed away. He did recognize that he should have heeded the

advice that his friends were trying so hard to give him even if he

didn't want to comply with what he would have had to do. The frustration

level among the folks on the list was quite high as it was evident what

the ultimate outcome of wayne's folly was going to be.

It is very hard to see someone you care about literally killing

themselves for no good reason. The frustration level rose again as Wayne

was in the hospital and he described the menu they were giving him to

eat. I can only say that, God help any Diabetic who has to spend much

time in a hospital or any other facility where they are dependent on the

staff for the selection of their meals.

As little as I know about Diabetes I know blamed well that Wayne was not

coming anywhere near to getting the kind of food he needd in order to

control his blood sugar. The situation is further complicated by the

fact that even the administration of his medication was irratic. I know

about these things because I talked to Wayne nearly every day he was in

the hospital and I watched him die and was helpless to do one blamed

thing about it.

Cy, the Ancient Okie...

Re: C factor?

I agree that there are some diabetics who are hopeless. The main keys

to

diabetes control ar the ability to count and know what to count. Those

who

know how to count yet refuse to count are in my opinion hopeless unless

they

have some one constantly counting for them.

Re: C factor?

>>

>>

>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under

>>> control as I was

>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

read

>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I

understand

>>> it

>>> thoroughly.

>>>

>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>> years

>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

said

>>> to

>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

test

>>> two

>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

depending

>>> on

>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>> amazing!

>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or

so it

>>> is

>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

meal,

>>> so

>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>>> make

>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and

I

>>> seem

>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast

was

>>> 6.5,

>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also

a

>>> bit

>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

phenomenon,

>>> and

>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>

>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what

>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and

>>> what you ate at your

>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

done

>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog

for

>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for

an

>>> hour

>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically

almost

>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't

eat

>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>> drives

>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

main

>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound

effect

>>> since

>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>

>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same

>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5

>>> points it drops, but

>>

>>> I

>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me

>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is

>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will

>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much

>>> it drops per unit.

>>>

>>> Jen

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Cy:

Your post below is most interesting. It brings up a question in my mind,

however: if, as you say, Wayne was not interested in heeding the good advice

he got on this list (at least until it was too late), why did he join the

list in the first place? I suppose it's just another version of the question

which has bothered me for forty years: if the Nazis truly believed in

genocide, why did they try to hide it? (Bet the lurkers didn't know we'd get

into heavy philosophy here, huh?)

As far as hospitals go, it works both ways: I was given *superb* treatment

when I landed there this last March with DKA and found I was diabetic. The

meals were very healthy and carb-controlled and were actually pretty decent.

But I got to pick also.

I must confess that this is what sometimes frustrates me -- the apparent

variability of the quality of diabetes care both in this country and in

Canada.

Mike

Re: C factor?

>>

>>

>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under

>>> control as I was

>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

read

>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I

understand

>>> it

>>> thoroughly.

>>>

>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>> years

>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

said

>>> to

>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

test

>>> two

>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

depending

>>> on

>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>> amazing!

>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or

so it

>>> is

>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

meal,

>>> so

>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>>> make

>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and

I

>>> seem

>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast

was

>>> 6.5,

>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also

a

>>> bit

>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

phenomenon,

>>> and

>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>

>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what

>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and

>>> what you ate at your

>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

done

>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog

for

>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for

an

>>> hour

>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically

almost

>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't

eat

>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>> drives

>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

main

>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound

effect

>>> since

>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>

>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same

>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5

>>> points it drops, but

>>

>>> I

>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me

>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is

>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will

>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much

>>> it drops per unit.

>>>

>>> Jen

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Cy:

Your post below is most interesting. It brings up a question in my mind,

however: if, as you say, Wayne was not interested in heeding the good advice

he got on this list (at least until it was too late), why did he join the

list in the first place? I suppose it's just another version of the question

which has bothered me for forty years: if the Nazis truly believed in

genocide, why did they try to hide it? (Bet the lurkers didn't know we'd get

into heavy philosophy here, huh?)

As far as hospitals go, it works both ways: I was given *superb* treatment

when I landed there this last March with DKA and found I was diabetic. The

meals were very healthy and carb-controlled and were actually pretty decent.

But I got to pick also.

I must confess that this is what sometimes frustrates me -- the apparent

variability of the quality of diabetes care both in this country and in

Canada.

Mike

Re: C factor?

>>

>>

>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under

>>> control as I was

>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

read

>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I

understand

>>> it

>>> thoroughly.

>>>

>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>> years

>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

said

>>> to

>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

test

>>> two

>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

depending

>>> on

>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>> amazing!

>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or

so it

>>> is

>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

meal,

>>> so

>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>>> make

>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and

I

>>> seem

>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast

was

>>> 6.5,

>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also

a

>>> bit

>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

phenomenon,

>>> and

>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>

>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what

>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and

>>> what you ate at your

>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

done

>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog

for

>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for

an

>>> hour

>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically

almost

>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't

eat

>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>> drives

>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

main

>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound

effect

>>> since

>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>

>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same

>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5

>>> points it drops, but

>>

>>> I

>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me

>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is

>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will

>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much

>>> it drops per unit.

>>>

>>> Jen

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Almost Cy!

Who in the hell do you think you are? You are not a medical doctor and you

certainly are not my medical doctor. So you do not have the right or even

the privilege of telling me what to do unless you first become a medical

doctor and I employ your services. Until that time I would rather you keep

your opinions to yourself. So there!

Re: C factor?

> >

> >

> >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could

> confuse

> >> someone

> >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control

> as I

> >> was

> >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

> read

> >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I

> understand it

> >> thoroughly.

> >>

> >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a

> few years

> >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

> said to

> >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

> test

> >> two

> >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

> depending on

> >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only

> started

> >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

> amazing!

> >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or

> so it

> >> is

> >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

> meal,

> >> so

> >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

> >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings

> to make

> >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and

> I seem

> >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast

> was 6.5,

> >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also

> a bit

> >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

> phenomenon,

> >> and

> >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

> >>

> >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

> intensity

> >> of

> >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was

> eaten

> >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate

> at your

> >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

> done

> >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I

> jog for

> >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for

> an hour

> >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically

> almost

> >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't

> eat

> >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

> >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

> drives

> >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

> main

> >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound

> effect

> >> since

> >> I don't over-treat them.

> >>

> >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same

> time as

> >> you

> >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it

> drops, but

> >

> >> I

> >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me

> to

> >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if

> it

> >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record

> what

> >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops

> per

> >> unit.

> >>

> >> Jen

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Almost Cy!

Who in the hell do you think you are? You are not a medical doctor and you

certainly are not my medical doctor. So you do not have the right or even

the privilege of telling me what to do unless you first become a medical

doctor and I employ your services. Until that time I would rather you keep

your opinions to yourself. So there!

Re: C factor?

> >

> >

> >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could

> confuse

> >> someone

> >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control

> as I

> >> was

> >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

> read

> >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I

> understand it

> >> thoroughly.

> >>

> >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a

> few years

> >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

> said to

> >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

> test

> >> two

> >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

> depending on

> >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only

> started

> >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

> amazing!

> >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or

> so it

> >> is

> >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

> meal,

> >> so

> >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

> >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings

> to make

> >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and

> I seem

> >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast

> was 6.5,

> >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also

> a bit

> >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

> phenomenon,

> >> and

> >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

> >>

> >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

> intensity

> >> of

> >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was

> eaten

> >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate

> at your

> >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

> done

> >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I

> jog for

> >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for

> an hour

> >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically

> almost

> >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't

> eat

> >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

> >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

> drives

> >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

> main

> >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound

> effect

> >> since

> >> I don't over-treat them.

> >>

> >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same

> time as

> >> you

> >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it

> drops, but

> >

> >> I

> >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me

> to

> >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if

> it

> >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record

> what

> >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops

> per

> >> unit.

> >>

> >> Jen

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Almost Cy!

Who in the hell do you think you are? You are not a medical doctor and you

certainly are not my medical doctor. So you do not have the right or even

the privilege of telling me what to do unless you first become a medical

doctor and I employ your services. Until that time I would rather you keep

your opinions to yourself. So there!

Re: C factor?

> >

> >

> >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could

> confuse

> >> someone

> >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control

> as I

> >> was

> >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

> read

> >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I

> understand it

> >> thoroughly.

> >>

> >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a

> few years

> >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

> said to

> >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

> test

> >> two

> >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

> depending on

> >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only

> started

> >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

> amazing!

> >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or

> so it

> >> is

> >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

> meal,

> >> so

> >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

> >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings

> to make

> >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and

> I seem

> >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast

> was 6.5,

> >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also

> a bit

> >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

> phenomenon,

> >> and

> >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

> >>

> >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

> intensity

> >> of

> >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was

> eaten

> >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate

> at your

> >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

> done

> >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I

> jog for

> >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for

> an hour

> >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically

> almost

> >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't

> eat

> >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

> >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

> drives

> >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

> main

> >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound

> effect

> >> since

> >> I don't over-treat them.

> >>

> >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same

> time as

> >> you

> >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it

> drops, but

> >

> >> I

> >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me

> to

> >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if

> it

> >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record

> what

> >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops

> per

> >> unit.

> >>

> >> Jen

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Harry:

I understand. I joined the list for information also as I was diagnosed as

diabetic (Type 1, would you believe) only last March. And I'm nearly 57

years old. Ah well; truth is stranger than fiction.

My question was really why someone who *didn't* want to get advice would

join the list. But that's just my befuddlement at the human psyche. (grin)

For 's benefit, I'm also a computer programmer -- an anachronism: I

still program mainframes to some degree.

I'm also lucky in that I don't have food cravings so complaints of missing

foods just dont compute for me. It's not that I don't enjoy food; it's just

not all that important. As says, what's food when compared to a

healthy life?

Mike

Re: C factor?

>>>

>>>

>>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>

>>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under

>>>> control as I was

>>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

> read

>>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I

> understand

>>>> it

>>>> thoroughly.

>>>>

>>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>>> years

>>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

> said

>>>> to

>>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

> test

>>>> two

>>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

> depending

>>>> on

>>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>>> amazing!

>>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or

> so it

>>>> is

>>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

> meal,

>>>> so

>>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>

>>>> make

>>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and

> I

>>>> seem

>>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast

> was

>>>> 6.5,

>>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also

> a

>>>> bit

>>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

> phenomenon,

>>>> and

>>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>>

>>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

>>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what

>>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and

>

>>>> what you ate at your

>>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

> done

>>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog

> for

>>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for

> an

>>>> hour

>>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically

> almost

>>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't

> eat

>>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>>> drives

>>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

> main

>>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound

> effect

>>>> since

>>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>>

>>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same

>>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5

>>>> points it drops, but

>>>

>>>> I

>>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me

>>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is

>>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will

>>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much

>

>>>> it drops per unit.

>>>>

>>>> Jen

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

Harry:

I understand. I joined the list for information also as I was diagnosed as

diabetic (Type 1, would you believe) only last March. And I'm nearly 57

years old. Ah well; truth is stranger than fiction.

My question was really why someone who *didn't* want to get advice would

join the list. But that's just my befuddlement at the human psyche. (grin)

For 's benefit, I'm also a computer programmer -- an anachronism: I

still program mainframes to some degree.

I'm also lucky in that I don't have food cravings so complaints of missing

foods just dont compute for me. It's not that I don't enjoy food; it's just

not all that important. As says, what's food when compared to a

healthy life?

Mike

Re: C factor?

>>>

>>>

>>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>

>>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under

>>>> control as I was

>>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

> read

>>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I

> understand

>>>> it

>>>> thoroughly.

>>>>

>>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>>> years

>>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

> said

>>>> to

>>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

> test

>>>> two

>>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

> depending

>>>> on

>>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>>> amazing!

>>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or

> so it

>>>> is

>>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

> meal,

>>>> so

>>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>

>>>> make

>>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and

> I

>>>> seem

>>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast

> was

>>>> 6.5,

>>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also

> a

>>>> bit

>>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

> phenomenon,

>>>> and

>>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>>

>>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

>>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what

>>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and

>

>>>> what you ate at your

>>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

> done

>>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog

> for

>>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for

> an

>>>> hour

>>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically

> almost

>>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't

> eat

>>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>>> drives

>>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

> main

>>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound

> effect

>>>> since

>>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>>

>>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same

>>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5

>>>> points it drops, but

>>>

>>>> I

>>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me

>>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is

>>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will

>>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much

>

>>>> it drops per unit.

>>>>

>>>> Jen

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

Harry:

I understand. I joined the list for information also as I was diagnosed as

diabetic (Type 1, would you believe) only last March. And I'm nearly 57

years old. Ah well; truth is stranger than fiction.

My question was really why someone who *didn't* want to get advice would

join the list. But that's just my befuddlement at the human psyche. (grin)

For 's benefit, I'm also a computer programmer -- an anachronism: I

still program mainframes to some degree.

I'm also lucky in that I don't have food cravings so complaints of missing

foods just dont compute for me. It's not that I don't enjoy food; it's just

not all that important. As says, what's food when compared to a

healthy life?

Mike

Re: C factor?

>>>

>>>

>>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>

>>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under

>>>> control as I was

>>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

> read

>>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I

> understand

>>>> it

>>>> thoroughly.

>>>>

>>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>>>> years

>>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

> said

>>>> to

>>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

> test

>>>> two

>>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

> depending

>>>> on

>>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>>>> amazing!

>>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or

> so it

>>>> is

>>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

> meal,

>>>> so

>>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to

>

>>>> make

>>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and

> I

>>>> seem

>>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast

> was

>>>> 6.5,

>>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also

> a

>>>> bit

>>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

> phenomenon,

>>>> and

>>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>>>

>>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

>>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what

>>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and

>

>>>> what you ate at your

>>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

> done

>>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog

> for

>>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for

> an

>>>> hour

>>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically

> almost

>>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't

> eat

>>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>>>> drives

>>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

> main

>>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound

> effect

>>>> since

>>>> I don't over-treat them.

>>>>

>>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same

>>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5

>>>> points it drops, but

>>>

>>>> I

>>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me

>>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is

>>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will

>>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much

>

>>>> it drops per unit.

>>>>

>>>> Jen

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

huh? *scratch head* Harry? What in God's name are you talking about on list here

with Cy? It seems irrelevant/not fitting.

Regards,

Re: C factor?

> >

> >

> >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could

> confuse

> >> someone

> >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control

> as I

> >> was

> >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

> read

> >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I

> understand it

> >> thoroughly.

> >>

> >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a

> few years

> >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

> said to

> >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

> test

> >> two

> >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

> depending on

> >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only

> started

> >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

> amazing!

> >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or

> so it

> >> is

> >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

> meal,

> >> so

> >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

> >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings

> to make

> >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and

> I seem

> >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast

> was 6.5,

> >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also

> a bit

> >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

> phenomenon,

> >> and

> >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

> >>

> >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

> intensity

> >> of

> >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was

> eaten

> >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate

> at your

> >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

> done

> >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I

> jog for

> >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for

> an hour

> >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically

> almost

> >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't

> eat

> >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

> >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

> drives

> >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

> main

> >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound

> effect

> >> since

> >> I don't over-treat them.

> >>

> >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same

> time as

> >> you

> >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it

> drops, but

> >

> >> I

> >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me

> to

> >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if

> it

> >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record

> what

> >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops

> per

> >> unit.

> >>

> >> Jen

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

huh? *scratch head* Harry? What in God's name are you talking about on list here

with Cy? It seems irrelevant/not fitting.

Regards,

Re: C factor?

> >

> >

> >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could

> confuse

> >> someone

> >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control

> as I

> >> was

> >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

> read

> >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I

> understand it

> >> thoroughly.

> >>

> >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a

> few years

> >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

> said to

> >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

> test

> >> two

> >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

> depending on

> >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only

> started

> >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

> amazing!

> >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or

> so it

> >> is

> >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

> meal,

> >> so

> >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

> >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings

> to make

> >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and

> I seem

> >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast

> was 6.5,

> >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also

> a bit

> >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

> phenomenon,

> >> and

> >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

> >>

> >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

> intensity

> >> of

> >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was

> eaten

> >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate

> at your

> >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

> done

> >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I

> jog for

> >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for

> an hour

> >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically

> almost

> >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't

> eat

> >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

> >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

> drives

> >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

> main

> >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound

> effect

> >> since

> >> I don't over-treat them.

> >>

> >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same

> time as

> >> you

> >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it

> drops, but

> >

> >> I

> >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me

> to

> >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if

> it

> >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record

> what

> >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops

> per

> >> unit.

> >>

> >> Jen

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

huh? *scratch head* Harry? What in God's name are you talking about on list here

with Cy? It seems irrelevant/not fitting.

Regards,

Re: C factor?

> >

> >

> >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could

> confuse

> >> someone

> >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control

> as I

> >> was

> >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will

> read

> >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I

> understand it

> >> thoroughly.

> >>

> >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a

> few years

> >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they

> said to

> >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs),

> test

> >> two

> >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio

> depending on

> >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only

> started

> >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

> amazing!

> >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or

> so it

> >> is

> >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next

> meal,

> >> so

> >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

> >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings

> to make

> >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and

> I seem

> >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast

> was 6.5,

> >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also

> a bit

> >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn

> phenomenon,

> >> and

> >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

> >>

> >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the

> intensity

> >> of

> >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was

> eaten

> >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate

> at your

> >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be

> done

> >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I

> jog for

> >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for

> an hour

> >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically

> almost

> >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't

> eat

> >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

> >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

> drives

> >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My

> main

> >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound

> effect

> >> since

> >> I don't over-treat them.

> >>

> >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same

> time as

> >> you

> >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it

> drops, but

> >

> >> I

> >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me

> to

> >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if

> it

> >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record

> what

> >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops

> per

> >> unit.

> >>

> >> Jen

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>