Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Milk raises my bG very fast -- faster than juice even. Last time I had a low with the cold sweats, I was about to eat a peanut butter sandwich and didn't have access to milk so just ate that and an extra piece of bread; it worked. Mike C factor? Hmm, I have never heard of a C factor before. How do you figure it out and what is it useful for other than knowing how much to eat when you go low? Do you just keep track of how many carbs you each (I usually use the glucose tablets, by the way) when you go low? Can you figure it out if you know your insulin-to-carb ratio, or is it not related to that directly? Always interesting to hear new " tools " people are using! I do not drink juice or pop when I'm low on a regular basis by any means. The only times I've ever used it were when I was so low that I couldn't remember where the glucose tablets were (even though I keep those in multiple locations), and/or if I feel like I'm going to pass out if I don't get something this instant and the fridge is the closest thing. It's definitely not the best thing to use. When I was maybe 13 or 14 I had a serious low where I couldn't help myself and my mom gave me regular pop, wanting to get something into me as fast as possible and not knowing if I could chew (I'm not sure why she didn't use the instant glucose gel stuff that comes in a tube, but anyway). I should also note I was fully conscious, just not capable of realising something was wrong, so it wasn't dangerous to give me a drink. I drank basically an entire can of pop, possibly more because it was a big glass. An hour or two later my blood sugar was 26. Not fun! Actually I just thought of a possible use for the C factor thing. Could it be used to figure out how much to eat before exercising? Of course then you'd also need to know how much whatever particular exercise you were doing lowered you blood sugar. I'm having a big problem right now with going low during exercise so this is why it's on my mind! Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 I've heard that milk (non-fat) is good for treating lows. Wouldn't have though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting. Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 It may not be for everyone. Certainly gets me going, though. I drink one-percent. Mike Re: C factor? I've heard that milk (non-fat) is good for treating lows. Wouldn't have though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting. Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 As far as I know the C factor is one of those concepts that is amongst several factors of my own creation regarding diabetes. I have written a partial article called Diabetes CUES. The concept of the CUES underlies blood glucose control and mastery of bs control. If you know how to measure and control each cue, then you also know how to master and maintain blood glucose control. The diabetes CUES are made up of four factors: The C factor simply stated is the number of blood glucose points, as measured by your sugar meter, raised by 1 gram of carbohydrate. U factor is the number of glucose points lowered by one unit of insulin. E factor is the number of blood glucose points lowered by a particular type and duration of an exercise or exercise routine. S factor is your fasting glucose level. These four simple concepts combine to make up your diabetes C U E S. So simply stated if you know what makes up your diabetes CUES and how to measure each one of them, then you know how to master and maintain blood glucose control. Of course the simplest one to measure is your S factor, which is your fasting glucose level, which is measured by your sugar meter following a period of fasting, which is usually taken in the morning after a night's sleep and no carbs or food was consumed in eats or drinks the previous 10-12 hours. To get your C factor just consume a set number of carbohydrates in the morning follwwing a measure of your S factor. For example I recommend consuming three 4 gram glucose tablets and taking a glucose monitoring test several times, say every 30 or 40 minutes after you have consumed the three glucose tablets and noting the rise in your bs. Every body's peak bs reading happens at a different time, but measuring it frequently for two hours will teach you when your peak bs reading is reached. To get your C factor just subtract the S factor, the fasting glucose reading from the peak of the 12 grams of carbs consumed bs reading and divide the difference by 12. Take no insulin except for the single dose of Lantus, which you took the night before consuming the carbs and getting your S factor. Following this procedure now tells you exactly what your C factor is. You now know how many blood glucose points are raised by one gram of carb. The diabetes CUES is a way for the diabetic to know how food, drink, work and exercise are affecting one's body and how to control what is happening inside the body. The CUES can only be derived by the use of a glucose monitor and real time measurements. What you do and what you see is what you get. The little theory behind the CUES is know each cue and how to control what you get is the basis for real and actual and practical blood glucose control. I have found that the most difficult problem in deriving the CUES for some folks is following simple directions. Along with this problem is many folks unwillingness to endure the pain or fingerstick to get the blood for the several glucose monitor test. Another problem is a diabetic's unwillingness to take control of their own carb consumption and insulin dosing, fearing admonishments from their physicians. They have been taught all their life that the doctor is God, and they believe it to be true. They have not discovered the God within themselves. I have found that most of these CUES once known are fairly constant. I have taken different measurements of each cue several times under varying conditions, and I have found for esample that my C factor hardly varies at all. In my case I have a C factor of 7.0-7.5, and if I wish to know how many points my bs will rise on average I just multiply the number of grams of carbs consumed by 7.25, and I am usually in agreement with the bs reading taken within 5 USA points, which is equivalent to 0.3 moles variance from what I expect to get. Of course this means you do not consume or dose any insulin like Humalog or Novolog. Now to derive your U factor, the number of blood glucose points decreased by one unit of insulin like Humalog or Novolog just take this highest bs reading and dose a set number of units of insulin, say four or five units, depending on your sensitivity to insulin. Consume no carbs at all and take bs readings every hour for three hours. Now subtract the lowest bs reading from the bs reading just prior to dosing insulin and divide the difference by the number of units of insulin dosed. Now you know your U factor for Humalog or Novolog. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this stuff out. All one needs to know is how to follow directions, count, add, multiply subtract and divide. If someone does not know how to count, add, subtract, multiply and divide, then they need to get someone to do it for them who can. Figuring the E factor is a little more complicated, since one needs to know how to avoid a rebound effect or a low sugar reaction by work and exercise and they need to know how many carbs to consume prior to doing work or exercise routine in order to avoid these bad reactions. We are here to assist you with the determination of each of these CUES should you wish. C factor? > Hmm, I have never heard of a C factor before. How do you figure it out and > what is it useful for other than knowing how much to eat when you go low? > Do > you just keep track of how many carbs you each (I usually use the glucose > tablets, by the way) when you go low? Can you figure it out if you know > your > insulin-to-carb ratio, or is it not related to that directly? Always > interesting to hear new " tools " people are using! > > I do not drink juice or pop when I'm low on a regular basis by any means. > The only times I've ever used it were when I was so low that I couldn't > remember where the glucose tablets were (even though I keep those in > multiple locations), and/or if I feel like I'm going to pass out if I > don't > get something this instant and the fridge is the closest thing. It's > definitely not the best thing to use. When I was maybe 13 or 14 I had a > serious low where I couldn't help myself and my mom gave me regular pop, > wanting to get something into me as fast as possible and not knowing if I > could chew (I'm not sure why she didn't use the instant glucose gel stuff > that comes in a tube, but anyway). I should also note I was fully > conscious, > just not capable of realising something was wrong, so it wasn't dangerous > to > give me a drink. I drank basically an entire can of pop, possibly more > because it was a big glass. An hour or two later my blood sugar was 26. > Not > fun! > > Actually I just thought of a possible use for the C factor thing. Could it > be used to figure out how much to eat before exercising? Of course then > you'd also need to know how much whatever particular exercise you were > doing > lowered you blood sugar. I'm having a big problem right now with going low > during exercise so this is why it's on my mind! > > Jen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Of course your bs of 26 is equivalent to a USA reading of 26*18= 468, definitely not good at all. C factor? > Hmm, I have never heard of a C factor before. How do you figure it out and > what is it useful for other than knowing how much to eat when you go low? > Do > you just keep track of how many carbs you each (I usually use the glucose > tablets, by the way) when you go low? Can you figure it out if you know > your > insulin-to-carb ratio, or is it not related to that directly? Always > interesting to hear new " tools " people are using! > > I do not drink juice or pop when I'm low on a regular basis by any means. > The only times I've ever used it were when I was so low that I couldn't > remember where the glucose tablets were (even though I keep those in > multiple locations), and/or if I feel like I'm going to pass out if I > don't > get something this instant and the fridge is the closest thing. It's > definitely not the best thing to use. When I was maybe 13 or 14 I had a > serious low where I couldn't help myself and my mom gave me regular pop, > wanting to get something into me as fast as possible and not knowing if I > could chew (I'm not sure why she didn't use the instant glucose gel stuff > that comes in a tube, but anyway). I should also note I was fully > conscious, > just not capable of realising something was wrong, so it wasn't dangerous > to > give me a drink. I drank basically an entire can of pop, possibly more > because it was a big glass. An hour or two later my blood sugar was 26. > Not > fun! > > Actually I just thought of a possible use for the C factor thing. Could it > be used to figure out how much to eat before exercising? Of course then > you'd also need to know how much whatever particular exercise you were > doing > lowered you blood sugar. I'm having a big problem right now with going low > during exercise so this is why it's on my mind! > > Jen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 It is very interesting in that the lower the fat content of the milk like 1% or 2% as compared to 5% milk the higher the carb content is. Re: C factor? > > > I've heard that milk (non-fat) is good for treating lows. Wouldn't have > though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting. > > Jen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Doesn't surprise me in that *something* has to make milk palatable and without the fat, carbs are a good candidate. (grin) Moreover, since ingestion of fat along with the carbs slows asorption, it stands to reason that lowering the fat content would increase the effective glycemic index of the milk. Mike Re: C factor? > > > I've heard that milk (non-fat) is good for treating lows. Wouldn't have > though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting. > > Jen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Milk has a type of sugar called lactose. It will eventually break down to glucose-but it takes longer than does the fructose that is found in juices. Re: C factor? I've heard that milk (non-fat) is good for treating lows. Wouldn't have though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting. Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Milk has a type of sugar called lactose. It will eventually break down to glucose-but it takes longer than does the fructose that is found in juices. Re: C factor? I've heard that milk (non-fat) is good for treating lows. Wouldn't have though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting. Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 right on! Re: C factor? >> >> >> I've heard that milk (non-fat) is good for treating lows. Wouldn't have >> though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting. >> >> Jen >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 right on! Re: C factor? >> >> >> I've heard that milk (non-fat) is good for treating lows. Wouldn't have >> though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting. >> >> Jen >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Hmmm ... the latest stuff I've read says that the complexity of the starch or sugar has little effect on how long it takes for the resulting glucose to enter the bloodstream. Mike > Milk has a type of sugar called lactose. It will eventually break down to > glucose-but it takes longer than does the fructose that is found in juices. > > Re: C factor? > > I've heard that milk (non-fat) is good for treating lows. Wouldn't have > though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting. > > Jen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 I like those CUES. I'm assuming for the C factor that you should do it on a morning when you have a good reading, or does that not matter? I've already had breakfast this morning, but I may try it one of these days. I think the main thing that would make me hesitate from doing this one is the idea of eating glucose tablets when I am not low! Could it be done with one tablet instead of three or four? For the U factor, is that the same as correcting for a high blood sugar? I take an extra unit of Humalog for every 2 points I am above the upper limit of my target range, and it pretty much always works, unless I am sick or some other factor interferes. I will pay attention next time to how much it is lowered. The E factor is what I am trying to figure out now. I've been keeping detailed records of my exercise, what I eat beforehand, what my blood sugar is before, during (sometimes) and after, and what I eat, if anything, during the exercise. I have suceeded now in not going low mid-exercise, but am still figuring out what is best to eat beforehand. Out of all of these factors this exercise one is the one I have trouble with! The S factor seems pretty straightforward! My fasting numbers are almost never out of my target range unless I go to bed high. Where does an insulin-to-carb ratio fit into all this? Is that another factor or just something totally different? Is it sort of a combination of the C and U factors (your sugar goes up so much from carbs, and is brough back down so much by insulin, so that's the ratio)? Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 , You are on the right track! Personally, I have no difficulties at all in a person taking a C factor determination at any time. In fact I recommend that they take the C factor determination at different times under different conditions to see what it is for each determination. Since one is determining the C factor under " normal " conditions, as much as possible. One just needs to be reminded that Humalog and Novolog stays in the system for three to four hours, and after that time span all the insulin is used up, no more is affecting the bs level on a short term basis. Of course one needs to keep in mind that the effect of the long acting Lantus insulin is still working in the system and this needs to be taken into consideration. This is why I recommend taking the C factor determination in the morning when no short term insulin has been dosed. I also recommend taking seveeral glucose tablets at once, since the gram carb count is easy to count. When you divide a larger number by a larger number, you get nearer to the actual results for a single unit measure, no matter what. In other words getting a single unit measure for the consumption of 12 grams of carbs yields a single unit measure nearer to what it is in actual measures. Call it the law of averages. It is not the high rise in one's blood glucose level that is dangerous for the diabetic, but the sustained high blood glucose at a high level for a long period of time. This is what causes all of those diabetic complications as Cy has pointed out the reason why those complications occur. This is why when the bs goes above 160, it is recommended to get it down as soon as possible. Thus the need to dose some insulin. When you think about it for a minute, it makes perfect sense. Stop breathing for a few seconds, any harm done? Stop breathing for a minute, any harm done? Stop breathing for two minutes, any harm done? Stop breathing for five minutes, any harm done? Stop breathing for twenty minutes, are you still alive? Remember the glucose level of the blood stream determines how much oxygen is getting to your body organs. The higher the bs is for a long period of time the less oxygen is getting around. So what in the C factor determination if one pushes their bs to 250 or 300? No harm is done if they make an immediate U factor determination by dosing the units of Humalog or Novolog and dividing the difference bs readings by the number of units of insulin dosed. This will yield a U factor determination, which is a measure of insulin sensitivity. All you need to do is determine when the lowest point in the bs is reached after dosing insulin, which commonly occurs around 3 hours after one has dosed Humalog or Novolog, and no mor short acting insulin is in the system. Knowing your U factor makes it possible for you to achieve and maintain tight glucose control. If your goal is a bs of 90 or a mole of 5.0 and your last bs reading was 180, a mole of 10, then you know exactly how many units of insulin to dose to reach your goal by dividing the difference between your goal and your present bs reading by your U factor. It is that simple and not hard to figure at all. One must keep in mind that this does not take into consideration your work and exercise E factor when making the above goal dosing of insulin. When I speak of ratios, I am typically speaking of Number of grams of carbs consumed in relation to the number of units of insulin dosed. To master the dose for a particular consumption of total carbs at each meal requires a person to stick as close to the same number of grams of carbs at each meal as possible, while raising and lowering the units of insulin for a particular bunch of carbs to see what effect this carb:insulin ratio will have on your bs. To see how it is done one chooses to eat a set number of grams of carbs at each meal first, then they take a pre-meal bs reading, then they consume all of those carbs and no more and no less. The usual amount for most folks to master first is 15 grams of carbs at each meal. Next a person doses a set number of units of insulin and two hours later they take another bs reading known as the two hour post prandial bs. Once they can consistently get the two hour post prandial bs to be near or close to the pre-meal bs reading, then they have mastered the dosage level in units of insulin for that particular bunch of carbs of 15 grams. Once they can consistently show that they have mastered the carb consumption of 15 grams for a set units of insulin, then they can double the carb consumption and the insulin dose to see how it does. Some folks will not follow this very simple instruction. When they finally do resolve to follow this very simple instruction and not change their carb consumption at all before they have mastered the dosage requirement first, they will usually master carb consumptionand dosage requirement very quickly. If they are stubborn and hard headed like I was in the beginning by always changing my carb consumption and insulin dosage at practically every meal, it will take almost forever for them to master glucose level control, if they do it at all. It is much easier to hit a stationary target than it is to hit a moving target. I guess some folks have never done any hunting! Now when it comes to the E factor determination, this is a horse of a diffeerent color, and it requires more intense study and experimentation and charting. I believe the E factor to be the one cue that is most difficult to determine. ---- Original Message ----- To: <blind-diabetics > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 1:25 PM Subject: Re: C factor? >I like those CUES. > > I'm assuming for the C factor that you should do it on a morning when you > have a good reading, or does that not matter? I've already had breakfast > this morning, but I may try it one of these days. I think the main thing > that would make me hesitate from doing this one is the idea of eating > glucose tablets when I am not low! Could it be done with one tablet > instead > of three or four? > > For the U factor, is that the same as correcting for a high blood sugar? I > take an extra unit of Humalog for every 2 points I am above the upper > limit > of my target range, and it pretty much always works, unless I am sick or > some other factor interferes. I will pay attention next time to how much > it > is lowered. > > The E factor is what I am trying to figure out now. I've been keeping > detailed records of my exercise, what I eat beforehand, what my blood > sugar > is before, during (sometimes) and after, and what I eat, if anything, > during > the exercise. I have suceeded now in not going low mid-exercise, but am > still figuring out what is best to eat beforehand. Out of all of these > factors this exercise one is the one I have trouble with! > > The S factor seems pretty straightforward! My fasting numbers are almost > never out of my target range unless I go to bed high. > > Where does an insulin-to-carb ratio fit into all this? Is that another > factor or just something totally different? Is it sort of a combination of > the C and U factors (your sugar goes up so much from carbs, and is brough > back down so much by insulin, so that's the ratio)? > > Jen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 , You are on the right track! Personally, I have no difficulties at all in a person taking a C factor determination at any time. In fact I recommend that they take the C factor determination at different times under different conditions to see what it is for each determination. Since one is determining the C factor under " normal " conditions, as much as possible. One just needs to be reminded that Humalog and Novolog stays in the system for three to four hours, and after that time span all the insulin is used up, no more is affecting the bs level on a short term basis. Of course one needs to keep in mind that the effect of the long acting Lantus insulin is still working in the system and this needs to be taken into consideration. This is why I recommend taking the C factor determination in the morning when no short term insulin has been dosed. I also recommend taking seveeral glucose tablets at once, since the gram carb count is easy to count. When you divide a larger number by a larger number, you get nearer to the actual results for a single unit measure, no matter what. In other words getting a single unit measure for the consumption of 12 grams of carbs yields a single unit measure nearer to what it is in actual measures. Call it the law of averages. It is not the high rise in one's blood glucose level that is dangerous for the diabetic, but the sustained high blood glucose at a high level for a long period of time. This is what causes all of those diabetic complications as Cy has pointed out the reason why those complications occur. This is why when the bs goes above 160, it is recommended to get it down as soon as possible. Thus the need to dose some insulin. When you think about it for a minute, it makes perfect sense. Stop breathing for a few seconds, any harm done? Stop breathing for a minute, any harm done? Stop breathing for two minutes, any harm done? Stop breathing for five minutes, any harm done? Stop breathing for twenty minutes, are you still alive? Remember the glucose level of the blood stream determines how much oxygen is getting to your body organs. The higher the bs is for a long period of time the less oxygen is getting around. So what in the C factor determination if one pushes their bs to 250 or 300? No harm is done if they make an immediate U factor determination by dosing the units of Humalog or Novolog and dividing the difference bs readings by the number of units of insulin dosed. This will yield a U factor determination, which is a measure of insulin sensitivity. All you need to do is determine when the lowest point in the bs is reached after dosing insulin, which commonly occurs around 3 hours after one has dosed Humalog or Novolog, and no mor short acting insulin is in the system. Knowing your U factor makes it possible for you to achieve and maintain tight glucose control. If your goal is a bs of 90 or a mole of 5.0 and your last bs reading was 180, a mole of 10, then you know exactly how many units of insulin to dose to reach your goal by dividing the difference between your goal and your present bs reading by your U factor. It is that simple and not hard to figure at all. One must keep in mind that this does not take into consideration your work and exercise E factor when making the above goal dosing of insulin. When I speak of ratios, I am typically speaking of Number of grams of carbs consumed in relation to the number of units of insulin dosed. To master the dose for a particular consumption of total carbs at each meal requires a person to stick as close to the same number of grams of carbs at each meal as possible, while raising and lowering the units of insulin for a particular bunch of carbs to see what effect this carb:insulin ratio will have on your bs. To see how it is done one chooses to eat a set number of grams of carbs at each meal first, then they take a pre-meal bs reading, then they consume all of those carbs and no more and no less. The usual amount for most folks to master first is 15 grams of carbs at each meal. Next a person doses a set number of units of insulin and two hours later they take another bs reading known as the two hour post prandial bs. Once they can consistently get the two hour post prandial bs to be near or close to the pre-meal bs reading, then they have mastered the dosage level in units of insulin for that particular bunch of carbs of 15 grams. Once they can consistently show that they have mastered the carb consumption of 15 grams for a set units of insulin, then they can double the carb consumption and the insulin dose to see how it does. Some folks will not follow this very simple instruction. When they finally do resolve to follow this very simple instruction and not change their carb consumption at all before they have mastered the dosage requirement first, they will usually master carb consumptionand dosage requirement very quickly. If they are stubborn and hard headed like I was in the beginning by always changing my carb consumption and insulin dosage at practically every meal, it will take almost forever for them to master glucose level control, if they do it at all. It is much easier to hit a stationary target than it is to hit a moving target. I guess some folks have never done any hunting! Now when it comes to the E factor determination, this is a horse of a diffeerent color, and it requires more intense study and experimentation and charting. I believe the E factor to be the one cue that is most difficult to determine. ---- Original Message ----- To: <blind-diabetics > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 1:25 PM Subject: Re: C factor? >I like those CUES. > > I'm assuming for the C factor that you should do it on a morning when you > have a good reading, or does that not matter? I've already had breakfast > this morning, but I may try it one of these days. I think the main thing > that would make me hesitate from doing this one is the idea of eating > glucose tablets when I am not low! Could it be done with one tablet > instead > of three or four? > > For the U factor, is that the same as correcting for a high blood sugar? I > take an extra unit of Humalog for every 2 points I am above the upper > limit > of my target range, and it pretty much always works, unless I am sick or > some other factor interferes. I will pay attention next time to how much > it > is lowered. > > The E factor is what I am trying to figure out now. I've been keeping > detailed records of my exercise, what I eat beforehand, what my blood > sugar > is before, during (sometimes) and after, and what I eat, if anything, > during > the exercise. I have suceeded now in not going low mid-exercise, but am > still figuring out what is best to eat beforehand. Out of all of these > factors this exercise one is the one I have trouble with! > > The S factor seems pretty straightforward! My fasting numbers are almost > never out of my target range unless I go to bed high. > > Where does an insulin-to-carb ratio fit into all this? Is that another > factor or just something totally different? Is it sort of a combination of > the C and U factors (your sugar goes up so much from carbs, and is brough > back down so much by insulin, so that's the ratio)? > > Jen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Typically, in determining the C factor it makes no difference when you do it no matter whether your bs is high or low when you begin the experiment. All you need is a bs reading, then immediately consumesay 12 grams of carbs, preferrably glucose tablets and then take bs readings for every hour following the ingestion of the carbs. Once the bs reaches its highest peak then you just divide the number of grams of carbs consumed into the difference in the beginning bs and what it was at its peak. It usually makes no diffeerence what the beginning bs reading was. As a general rule the rise in your bs is determined by the number of grams of carbs consumed no matter what or when. Consuming glucose tablets of 4 grams each just makes it easier to determine the definite number of grams of carbs consumed. The grams of carbs from other sources like bread, potatoes, milk, Coke, and fruit will vary according to the size and amount of the bite or swallow. The glucose tablet is always the same. Re: C factor? >I like those CUES. > > I'm assuming for the C factor that you should do it on a morning when you > have a good reading, or does that not matter? I've already had breakfast > this morning, but I may try it one of these days. I think the main thing > that would make me hesitate from doing this one is the idea of eating > glucose tablets when I am not low! Could it be done with one tablet > instead > of three or four? > > For the U factor, is that the same as correcting for a high blood sugar? I > take an extra unit of Humalog for every 2 points I am above the upper > limit > of my target range, and it pretty much always works, unless I am sick or > some other factor interferes. I will pay attention next time to how much > it > is lowered. > > The E factor is what I am trying to figure out now. I've been keeping > detailed records of my exercise, what I eat beforehand, what my blood > sugar > is before, during (sometimes) and after, and what I eat, if anything, > during > the exercise. I have suceeded now in not going low mid-exercise, but am > still figuring out what is best to eat beforehand. Out of all of these > factors this exercise one is the one I have trouble with! > > The S factor seems pretty straightforward! My fasting numbers are almost > never out of my target range unless I go to bed high. > > Where does an insulin-to-carb ratio fit into all this? Is that another > factor or just something totally different? Is it sort of a combination of > the C and U factors (your sugar goes up so much from carbs, and is brough > back down so much by insulin, so that's the ratio)? > > Jen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Typically, in determining the C factor it makes no difference when you do it no matter whether your bs is high or low when you begin the experiment. All you need is a bs reading, then immediately consumesay 12 grams of carbs, preferrably glucose tablets and then take bs readings for every hour following the ingestion of the carbs. Once the bs reaches its highest peak then you just divide the number of grams of carbs consumed into the difference in the beginning bs and what it was at its peak. It usually makes no diffeerence what the beginning bs reading was. As a general rule the rise in your bs is determined by the number of grams of carbs consumed no matter what or when. Consuming glucose tablets of 4 grams each just makes it easier to determine the definite number of grams of carbs consumed. The grams of carbs from other sources like bread, potatoes, milk, Coke, and fruit will vary according to the size and amount of the bite or swallow. The glucose tablet is always the same. Re: C factor? >I like those CUES. > > I'm assuming for the C factor that you should do it on a morning when you > have a good reading, or does that not matter? I've already had breakfast > this morning, but I may try it one of these days. I think the main thing > that would make me hesitate from doing this one is the idea of eating > glucose tablets when I am not low! Could it be done with one tablet > instead > of three or four? > > For the U factor, is that the same as correcting for a high blood sugar? I > take an extra unit of Humalog for every 2 points I am above the upper > limit > of my target range, and it pretty much always works, unless I am sick or > some other factor interferes. I will pay attention next time to how much > it > is lowered. > > The E factor is what I am trying to figure out now. I've been keeping > detailed records of my exercise, what I eat beforehand, what my blood > sugar > is before, during (sometimes) and after, and what I eat, if anything, > during > the exercise. I have suceeded now in not going low mid-exercise, but am > still figuring out what is best to eat beforehand. Out of all of these > factors this exercise one is the one I have trouble with! > > The S factor seems pretty straightforward! My fasting numbers are almost > never out of my target range unless I go to bed high. > > Where does an insulin-to-carb ratio fit into all this? Is that another > factor or just something totally different? Is it sort of a combination of > the C and U factors (your sugar goes up so much from carbs, and is brough > back down so much by insulin, so that's the ratio)? > > Jen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I was a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it thoroughly. I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few years ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said to start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test two hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending on if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is amazing! I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it is okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal, so I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I seem to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was 6.5, and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon, and I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at your last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an hour at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it drives my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect since I don't over-treat them. Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, but I really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per unit. Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I was a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it thoroughly. I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few years ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said to start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test two hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending on if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is amazing! I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it is okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal, so I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I seem to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was 6.5, and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon, and I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at your last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an hour at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it drives my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect since I don't over-treat them. Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, but I really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per unit. Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Jen, You are pretty much on track and doing very well. I believe the secret to determining all of these CUES is charting. Otherwise how would one know what is going on inside their body? For the sake of me I have not yet been able totell what my bs is without taking a sugar meter test and none of my family members have yet to be able to tell me what my bs is by looking at me. Until a foolproof method is developed I guess I will have to stick with the old finger prick, ouch! Re: C factor? > Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse > someone > who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I > was > a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read > over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it > thoroughly. > > I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few years > ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said to > start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test > two > hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending on > if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started > actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is amazing! > I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it > is > okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal, > so > I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make > sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I seem > to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was 6.5, > and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit > lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon, > and > I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity > of > the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten > beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at your > last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done > separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for > thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an hour > at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost > immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat > something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it drives > my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main > problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect > since > I don't over-treat them. > > Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as > you > find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, but > I > really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to > correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it > doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what > dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per > unit. > > Jen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 Jen, You are pretty much on track and doing very well. I believe the secret to determining all of these CUES is charting. Otherwise how would one know what is going on inside their body? For the sake of me I have not yet been able totell what my bs is without taking a sugar meter test and none of my family members have yet to be able to tell me what my bs is by looking at me. Until a foolproof method is developed I guess I will have to stick with the old finger prick, ouch! Re: C factor? > Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse > someone > who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I > was > a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read > over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it > thoroughly. > > I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few years > ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said to > start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test > two > hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending on > if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started > actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is amazing! > I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it > is > okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal, > so > I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make > sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I seem > to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was 6.5, > and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit > lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon, > and > I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity > of > the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten > beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at your > last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done > separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for > thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an hour > at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost > immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat > something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it drives > my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main > problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect > since > I don't over-treat them. > > Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as > you > find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, but > I > really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to > correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it > doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what > dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per > unit. > > Jen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 It confuses most folks for a very simple reason. They do not want to spend the time and effort in learning each cue for themselves. It is just a lot easier to follow the doctors orders. That way I do not have to take responsibility for what happens to me. I can always blame the doctor. That is what Wayne did. By the way Wayne wound up with no legs, no feet no functioning kidneys and oh yeah, Wayne is now dead. I do not believe these facts bothered his doctor at all. Come to think of it, I do not believe they bother Wayne at all now. He definitely insisted on listening to his doctor no matter how poorly his bs levels were for several years before he passed on. He definitely refused to listen to what any of us had to say, while he was here. He made his choices and he paid the consequences. Who is to say what the best choice would be, since we all must die. I prefer to choose life and health without complications if possible, and it is. Re: C factor? > Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse > someone > who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I > was > a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read > over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it > thoroughly. > > I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few years > ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said to > start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test > two > hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending on > if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started > actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is amazing! > I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it > is > okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal, > so > I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make > sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I seem > to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was 6.5, > and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit > lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon, > and > I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity > of > the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten > beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at your > last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done > separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for > thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an hour > at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost > immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat > something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it drives > my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main > problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect > since > I don't over-treat them. > > Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as > you > find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, but > I > really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to > correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it > doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what > dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per > unit. > > Jen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 It confuses most folks for a very simple reason. They do not want to spend the time and effort in learning each cue for themselves. It is just a lot easier to follow the doctors orders. That way I do not have to take responsibility for what happens to me. I can always blame the doctor. That is what Wayne did. By the way Wayne wound up with no legs, no feet no functioning kidneys and oh yeah, Wayne is now dead. I do not believe these facts bothered his doctor at all. Come to think of it, I do not believe they bother Wayne at all now. He definitely insisted on listening to his doctor no matter how poorly his bs levels were for several years before he passed on. He definitely refused to listen to what any of us had to say, while he was here. He made his choices and he paid the consequences. Who is to say what the best choice would be, since we all must die. I prefer to choose life and health without complications if possible, and it is. Re: C factor? > Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse > someone > who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I > was > a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read > over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it > thoroughly. > > I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few years > ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said to > start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test > two > hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending on > if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started > actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is amazing! > I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it > is > okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal, > so > I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make > sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I seem > to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was 6.5, > and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit > lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon, > and > I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity > of > the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten > beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at your > last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done > separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for > thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an hour > at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost > immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat > something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it drives > my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main > problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect > since > I don't over-treat them. > > Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as > you > find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, but > I > really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to > correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it > doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what > dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per > unit. > > Jen > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 harry, i did not know wayne but i red about him on this line. and i think you are a real shit to talk about him like this. karen Re: C factor? > > >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse >> someone >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I >> was >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it >> thoroughly. >> >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few >> years >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said >> to >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test >> two >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending >> on >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is >> amazing! >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it >> is >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal, >> so >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I >> seem >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was >> 6.5, >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon, >> and >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). >> >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity >> of >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at >> your >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an >> hour >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it >> drives >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect >> since >> I don't over-treat them. >> >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as >> you >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, >> but I >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per >> unit. >> >> Jen >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2005 Report Share Posted July 22, 2005 harry, i did not know wayne but i red about him on this line. and i think you are a real shit to talk about him like this. karen Re: C factor? > > >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse >> someone >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I >> was >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it >> thoroughly. >> >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few >> years >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said >> to >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test >> two >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending >> on >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is >> amazing! >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it >> is >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal, >> so >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I >> seem >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was >> 6.5, >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon, >> and >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). >> >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity >> of >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at >> your >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an >> hour >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it >> drives >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect >> since >> I don't over-treat them. >> >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as >> you >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, >> but I >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per >> unit. >> >> Jen >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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