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Milk raises my bG very fast -- faster than juice even. Last time I had a low

with the cold sweats, I was about to eat a peanut butter sandwich and didn't

have access to milk so just ate that and an extra piece of bread; it worked.

Mike

C factor?

Hmm, I have never heard of a C factor before. How do you figure it out and

what is it useful for other than knowing how much to eat when you go low? Do

you just keep track of how many carbs you each (I usually use the glucose

tablets, by the way) when you go low? Can you figure it out if you know your

insulin-to-carb ratio, or is it not related to that directly? Always

interesting to hear new " tools " people are using!

I do not drink juice or pop when I'm low on a regular basis by any means.

The only times I've ever used it were when I was so low that I couldn't

remember where the glucose tablets were (even though I keep those in

multiple locations), and/or if I feel like I'm going to pass out if I don't

get something this instant and the fridge is the closest thing. It's

definitely not the best thing to use. When I was maybe 13 or 14 I had a

serious low where I couldn't help myself and my mom gave me regular pop,

wanting to get something into me as fast as possible and not knowing if I

could chew (I'm not sure why she didn't use the instant glucose gel stuff

that comes in a tube, but anyway). I should also note I was fully conscious,

just not capable of realising something was wrong, so it wasn't dangerous to

give me a drink. I drank basically an entire can of pop, possibly more

because it was a big glass. An hour or two later my blood sugar was 26. Not

fun!

Actually I just thought of a possible use for the C factor thing. Could it

be used to figure out how much to eat before exercising? Of course then

you'd also need to know how much whatever particular exercise you were doing

lowered you blood sugar. I'm having a big problem right now with going low

during exercise so this is why it's on my mind!

Jen

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It may not be for everyone. Certainly gets me going, though. I drink

one-percent.

Mike

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I've heard that milk (non-fat) is good for treating lows. Wouldn't have

though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting.

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As far as I know the C factor is one of those concepts that is amongst

several factors of my own creation regarding diabetes. I have written a

partial article called Diabetes CUES. The concept of the CUES underlies

blood glucose control and mastery of bs control. If you know how to measure

and control each cue, then you also know how to master and maintain blood

glucose control. The diabetes CUES are made up of four factors:

The C factor simply stated is the number of blood glucose points, as

measured by your sugar meter, raised by 1 gram of carbohydrate.

U factor is the number of glucose points lowered by one unit of insulin.

E factor is the number of blood glucose points lowered by a particular type

and duration of an exercise or exercise routine.

S factor is your fasting glucose level.

These four simple concepts combine to make up your diabetes C U E S. So

simply stated if you know what makes up your diabetes CUES and how to

measure each one of them, then you know how to master and maintain blood

glucose control.

Of course the simplest one to measure is your S factor, which is your

fasting glucose level, which is measured by your sugar meter following a

period of fasting, which is usually taken in the morning after a night's

sleep and no carbs or food was consumed in eats or drinks the previous 10-12

hours.

To get your C factor just consume a set number of carbohydrates in the

morning follwwing a measure of your S factor. For example I recommend

consuming three 4 gram glucose tablets and taking a glucose monitoring test

several times, say every 30 or 40 minutes after you have consumed the three

glucose tablets and noting the rise in your bs. Every body's peak bs

reading happens at a different time, but measuring it frequently for two

hours will teach you when your peak bs reading is reached. To get your C

factor just subtract the S factor, the fasting glucose reading from the peak

of the 12 grams of carbs consumed bs reading and divide the difference by

12. Take no insulin except for the single dose of Lantus, which you took

the night before consuming the carbs and getting your S factor. Following

this procedure now tells you exactly what your C factor is. You now know

how many blood glucose points are raised by one gram of carb.

The diabetes CUES is a way for the diabetic to know how food, drink, work

and exercise are affecting one's body and how to control what is happening

inside the body. The CUES can only be derived by the use of a glucose

monitor and real time measurements. What you do and what you see is what

you get. The little theory behind the CUES is know each cue and how to

control what you get is the basis for real and actual and practical blood

glucose control. I have found that the most difficult problem in deriving

the CUES for some folks is following simple directions. Along with this

problem is many folks unwillingness to endure the pain or fingerstick to get

the blood for the several glucose monitor test. Another problem is a

diabetic's unwillingness to take control of their own carb consumption and

insulin dosing, fearing admonishments from their physicians. They have been

taught all their life that the doctor is God, and they believe it to be

true. They have not discovered the God within themselves. I have found

that most of these CUES once known are fairly constant. I have taken

different measurements of each cue several times under varying conditions,

and I have found for esample that my C factor hardly varies at all. In my

case I have a C factor of 7.0-7.5, and if I wish to know how many points my

bs will rise on average I just multiply the number of grams of carbs

consumed by 7.25, and I am usually in agreement with the bs reading taken

within 5 USA points, which is equivalent to 0.3 moles variance from what I

expect to get. Of course this means you do not consume or dose any insulin

like Humalog or Novolog. Now to derive your U factor, the number of blood

glucose points decreased by one unit of insulin like Humalog or Novolog just

take this highest bs reading and dose a set number of units of insulin, say

four or five units, depending on your sensitivity to insulin. Consume no

carbs at all and take bs readings every hour for three hours. Now

subtract the lowest bs reading from the bs reading just prior to dosing

insulin and divide the difference by the number of units of insulin dosed.

Now you know your U factor for Humalog or Novolog. It does not take a

rocket scientist to figure this stuff out. All one needs to know is how to

follow directions, count, add, multiply subtract and divide. If someone

does not know how to count, add, subtract, multiply and divide, then they

need to get someone to do it for them who can. Figuring the E factor is a

little more complicated, since one needs to know how to avoid a rebound

effect or a low sugar reaction by work and exercise and they need to know

how many carbs to consume prior to doing work or exercise routine in order

to avoid these bad reactions. We are here to assist you with the

determination of each of these CUES should you wish.

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> Hmm, I have never heard of a C factor before. How do you figure it out and

> what is it useful for other than knowing how much to eat when you go low?

> Do

> you just keep track of how many carbs you each (I usually use the glucose

> tablets, by the way) when you go low? Can you figure it out if you know

> your

> insulin-to-carb ratio, or is it not related to that directly? Always

> interesting to hear new " tools " people are using!

>

> I do not drink juice or pop when I'm low on a regular basis by any means.

> The only times I've ever used it were when I was so low that I couldn't

> remember where the glucose tablets were (even though I keep those in

> multiple locations), and/or if I feel like I'm going to pass out if I

> don't

> get something this instant and the fridge is the closest thing. It's

> definitely not the best thing to use. When I was maybe 13 or 14 I had a

> serious low where I couldn't help myself and my mom gave me regular pop,

> wanting to get something into me as fast as possible and not knowing if I

> could chew (I'm not sure why she didn't use the instant glucose gel stuff

> that comes in a tube, but anyway). I should also note I was fully

> conscious,

> just not capable of realising something was wrong, so it wasn't dangerous

> to

> give me a drink. I drank basically an entire can of pop, possibly more

> because it was a big glass. An hour or two later my blood sugar was 26.

> Not

> fun!

>

> Actually I just thought of a possible use for the C factor thing. Could it

> be used to figure out how much to eat before exercising? Of course then

> you'd also need to know how much whatever particular exercise you were

> doing

> lowered you blood sugar. I'm having a big problem right now with going low

> during exercise so this is why it's on my mind!

>

> Jen

>

>

>

>

>

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Of course your bs of 26 is equivalent to a USA reading of 26*18= 468,

definitely not good at all.

C factor?

> Hmm, I have never heard of a C factor before. How do you figure it out and

> what is it useful for other than knowing how much to eat when you go low?

> Do

> you just keep track of how many carbs you each (I usually use the glucose

> tablets, by the way) when you go low? Can you figure it out if you know

> your

> insulin-to-carb ratio, or is it not related to that directly? Always

> interesting to hear new " tools " people are using!

>

> I do not drink juice or pop when I'm low on a regular basis by any means.

> The only times I've ever used it were when I was so low that I couldn't

> remember where the glucose tablets were (even though I keep those in

> multiple locations), and/or if I feel like I'm going to pass out if I

> don't

> get something this instant and the fridge is the closest thing. It's

> definitely not the best thing to use. When I was maybe 13 or 14 I had a

> serious low where I couldn't help myself and my mom gave me regular pop,

> wanting to get something into me as fast as possible and not knowing if I

> could chew (I'm not sure why she didn't use the instant glucose gel stuff

> that comes in a tube, but anyway). I should also note I was fully

> conscious,

> just not capable of realising something was wrong, so it wasn't dangerous

> to

> give me a drink. I drank basically an entire can of pop, possibly more

> because it was a big glass. An hour or two later my blood sugar was 26.

> Not

> fun!

>

> Actually I just thought of a possible use for the C factor thing. Could it

> be used to figure out how much to eat before exercising? Of course then

> you'd also need to know how much whatever particular exercise you were

> doing

> lowered you blood sugar. I'm having a big problem right now with going low

> during exercise so this is why it's on my mind!

>

> Jen

>

>

>

>

>

>

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It is very interesting in that the lower the fat content of the milk like 1%

or 2% as compared to 5% milk the higher the carb content is.

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>

> I've heard that milk (non-fat) is good for treating lows. Wouldn't have

> though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting.

>

> Jen

>

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Doesn't surprise me in that *something* has to make milk palatable and

without the fat, carbs are a good candidate. (grin) Moreover, since

ingestion of fat along with the carbs slows asorption, it stands to reason

that lowering the fat content would increase the effective glycemic index of

the milk.

Mike

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>

> I've heard that milk (non-fat) is good for treating lows. Wouldn't have

> though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting.

>

> Jen

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Milk has a type of sugar called lactose. It will eventually break down to

glucose-but it takes longer than does the fructose that is found in juices.

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though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting.

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Milk has a type of sugar called lactose. It will eventually break down to

glucose-but it takes longer than does the fructose that is found in juices.

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though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting.

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right on!

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>> I've heard that milk (non-fat) is good for treating lows. Wouldn't have

>> though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting.

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>> Jen

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right on!

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>> I've heard that milk (non-fat) is good for treating lows. Wouldn't have

>> though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting.

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>> Jen

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Hmmm ... the latest stuff I've read says that the complexity of the

starch or sugar has little effect on how long it takes for the resulting

glucose to enter the bloodstream.

Mike

> Milk has a type of sugar called lactose. It will eventually break down to

> glucose-but it takes longer than does the fructose that is found in juices.

>

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> I've heard that milk (non-fat) is good for treating lows. Wouldn't have

> though it's faster than juice, though, that's interesting.

>

> Jen

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I like those CUES.

I'm assuming for the C factor that you should do it on a morning when you

have a good reading, or does that not matter? I've already had breakfast

this morning, but I may try it one of these days. I think the main thing

that would make me hesitate from doing this one is the idea of eating

glucose tablets when I am not low! Could it be done with one tablet instead

of three or four?

For the U factor, is that the same as correcting for a high blood sugar? I

take an extra unit of Humalog for every 2 points I am above the upper limit

of my target range, and it pretty much always works, unless I am sick or

some other factor interferes. I will pay attention next time to how much it

is lowered.

The E factor is what I am trying to figure out now. I've been keeping

detailed records of my exercise, what I eat beforehand, what my blood sugar

is before, during (sometimes) and after, and what I eat, if anything, during

the exercise. I have suceeded now in not going low mid-exercise, but am

still figuring out what is best to eat beforehand. Out of all of these

factors this exercise one is the one I have trouble with!

The S factor seems pretty straightforward! My fasting numbers are almost

never out of my target range unless I go to bed high.

Where does an insulin-to-carb ratio fit into all this? Is that another

factor or just something totally different? Is it sort of a combination of

the C and U factors (your sugar goes up so much from carbs, and is brough

back down so much by insulin, so that's the ratio)?

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You are on the right track! Personally, I have no difficulties at all in a

person taking a C factor determination at any time. In fact I recommend

that they take the C factor determination at different times under different

conditions to see what it is for each determination. Since one is

determining the C factor under " normal " conditions, as much as possible.

One just needs to be reminded that Humalog and Novolog stays in the system

for three to four hours, and after that time span all the insulin is used

up, no more is affecting the bs level on a short term basis. Of course one

needs to keep in mind that the effect of the long acting Lantus insulin is

still working in the system and this needs to be taken into consideration.

This is why I recommend taking the C factor determination in the morning

when no short term insulin has been dosed. I also recommend taking seveeral

glucose tablets at once, since the gram carb count is easy to count. When

you divide a larger number by a larger number, you get nearer to the actual

results for a single unit measure, no matter what. In other words getting a

single unit measure for the consumption of 12 grams of carbs yields a single

unit measure nearer to what it is in actual measures. Call it the law of

averages. It is not the high rise in one's blood glucose level that is

dangerous for the diabetic, but the sustained high blood glucose at a high

level for a long period of time. This is what causes all of those diabetic

complications as Cy has pointed out the reason why those complications

occur. This is why when the bs goes above 160, it is recommended to get it

down as soon as possible. Thus the need to dose some insulin. When you

think about it for a minute, it makes perfect sense. Stop breathing for a

few seconds, any harm done? Stop breathing for a minute, any harm done?

Stop breathing for two minutes, any harm done? Stop breathing for five

minutes, any harm done? Stop breathing for twenty minutes, are you still

alive? Remember the glucose level of the blood stream determines how much

oxygen is getting to your body organs.

The higher the bs is for a long period of time the less oxygen is getting

around. So what in the C factor determination if one pushes their bs to 250

or 300? No harm is done if they make an immediate U factor determination by

dosing the units of Humalog or Novolog and dividing the difference bs

readings by the number of units of insulin dosed. This will yield a U

factor determination, which is a measure of insulin sensitivity. All you

need to do is determine when the lowest point in the bs is reached after

dosing insulin, which commonly occurs around 3 hours after one has dosed

Humalog or Novolog, and no mor short acting insulin is in the system.

Knowing your U factor makes it possible for you to achieve and maintain

tight glucose control. If your goal is a bs of 90 or a mole of 5.0 and

your last bs reading was 180, a mole of 10, then you know exactly how many

units of insulin to dose to reach your goal by dividing the difference

between your goal and your present bs reading by your U factor. It is that

simple and not hard to figure at all. One must keep in mind that this does

not take into consideration your work and exercise E factor when making the

above goal dosing of insulin. When I speak of ratios, I am typically

speaking of Number of grams of carbs consumed in relation to the number of

units of insulin dosed. To master the dose for a particular consumption of

total carbs at each meal requires a person to stick as close to the same

number of grams of carbs at each meal as possible, while raising and

lowering the units of insulin for a particular bunch of carbs to see what

effect this carb:insulin ratio will have on your bs. To see how it is done

one chooses to eat a set number of grams of carbs at each meal first, then

they take a pre-meal bs reading, then they consume all of those carbs and no

more and no less. The usual amount for most folks to master first is 15

grams of carbs at each meal. Next a person doses a set number of units of

insulin and two hours later they take another bs reading known as the two

hour post prandial bs. Once they can consistently get the two hour post

prandial bs to be near or close to the pre-meal bs reading, then they have

mastered the dosage level in units of insulin for that particular bunch of

carbs of 15 grams. Once they can consistently show that they have mastered

the carb consumption of 15 grams for a set units of insulin, then they can

double the carb consumption and the insulin dose to see how it does. Some

folks will not follow this very simple instruction. When they finally do

resolve to follow this very simple instruction and not change their carb

consumption at all before they have mastered the dosage requirement first,

they will usually master carb consumptionand dosage requirement very

quickly. If they are stubborn and hard headed like I was in the beginning

by always changing my carb consumption and insulin dosage at practically

every meal, it will take almost forever for them to master glucose level

control, if they do it at all. It is much easier to hit a stationary target

than it is to hit a moving target. I guess some folks have never done any

hunting!

Now when it comes to the E factor determination, this is a horse of a

diffeerent color, and it requires more intense study and experimentation and

charting. I believe the E factor to be the one cue that is most difficult

to determine.

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Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 1:25 PM

Subject: Re: C factor?

>I like those CUES.

>

> I'm assuming for the C factor that you should do it on a morning when you

> have a good reading, or does that not matter? I've already had breakfast

> this morning, but I may try it one of these days. I think the main thing

> that would make me hesitate from doing this one is the idea of eating

> glucose tablets when I am not low! Could it be done with one tablet

> instead

> of three or four?

>

> For the U factor, is that the same as correcting for a high blood sugar? I

> take an extra unit of Humalog for every 2 points I am above the upper

> limit

> of my target range, and it pretty much always works, unless I am sick or

> some other factor interferes. I will pay attention next time to how much

> it

> is lowered.

>

> The E factor is what I am trying to figure out now. I've been keeping

> detailed records of my exercise, what I eat beforehand, what my blood

> sugar

> is before, during (sometimes) and after, and what I eat, if anything,

> during

> the exercise. I have suceeded now in not going low mid-exercise, but am

> still figuring out what is best to eat beforehand. Out of all of these

> factors this exercise one is the one I have trouble with!

>

> The S factor seems pretty straightforward! My fasting numbers are almost

> never out of my target range unless I go to bed high.

>

> Where does an insulin-to-carb ratio fit into all this? Is that another

> factor or just something totally different? Is it sort of a combination of

> the C and U factors (your sugar goes up so much from carbs, and is brough

> back down so much by insulin, so that's the ratio)?

>

> Jen

>

>

>

>

>

>

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You are on the right track! Personally, I have no difficulties at all in a

person taking a C factor determination at any time. In fact I recommend

that they take the C factor determination at different times under different

conditions to see what it is for each determination. Since one is

determining the C factor under " normal " conditions, as much as possible.

One just needs to be reminded that Humalog and Novolog stays in the system

for three to four hours, and after that time span all the insulin is used

up, no more is affecting the bs level on a short term basis. Of course one

needs to keep in mind that the effect of the long acting Lantus insulin is

still working in the system and this needs to be taken into consideration.

This is why I recommend taking the C factor determination in the morning

when no short term insulin has been dosed. I also recommend taking seveeral

glucose tablets at once, since the gram carb count is easy to count. When

you divide a larger number by a larger number, you get nearer to the actual

results for a single unit measure, no matter what. In other words getting a

single unit measure for the consumption of 12 grams of carbs yields a single

unit measure nearer to what it is in actual measures. Call it the law of

averages. It is not the high rise in one's blood glucose level that is

dangerous for the diabetic, but the sustained high blood glucose at a high

level for a long period of time. This is what causes all of those diabetic

complications as Cy has pointed out the reason why those complications

occur. This is why when the bs goes above 160, it is recommended to get it

down as soon as possible. Thus the need to dose some insulin. When you

think about it for a minute, it makes perfect sense. Stop breathing for a

few seconds, any harm done? Stop breathing for a minute, any harm done?

Stop breathing for two minutes, any harm done? Stop breathing for five

minutes, any harm done? Stop breathing for twenty minutes, are you still

alive? Remember the glucose level of the blood stream determines how much

oxygen is getting to your body organs.

The higher the bs is for a long period of time the less oxygen is getting

around. So what in the C factor determination if one pushes their bs to 250

or 300? No harm is done if they make an immediate U factor determination by

dosing the units of Humalog or Novolog and dividing the difference bs

readings by the number of units of insulin dosed. This will yield a U

factor determination, which is a measure of insulin sensitivity. All you

need to do is determine when the lowest point in the bs is reached after

dosing insulin, which commonly occurs around 3 hours after one has dosed

Humalog or Novolog, and no mor short acting insulin is in the system.

Knowing your U factor makes it possible for you to achieve and maintain

tight glucose control. If your goal is a bs of 90 or a mole of 5.0 and

your last bs reading was 180, a mole of 10, then you know exactly how many

units of insulin to dose to reach your goal by dividing the difference

between your goal and your present bs reading by your U factor. It is that

simple and not hard to figure at all. One must keep in mind that this does

not take into consideration your work and exercise E factor when making the

above goal dosing of insulin. When I speak of ratios, I am typically

speaking of Number of grams of carbs consumed in relation to the number of

units of insulin dosed. To master the dose for a particular consumption of

total carbs at each meal requires a person to stick as close to the same

number of grams of carbs at each meal as possible, while raising and

lowering the units of insulin for a particular bunch of carbs to see what

effect this carb:insulin ratio will have on your bs. To see how it is done

one chooses to eat a set number of grams of carbs at each meal first, then

they take a pre-meal bs reading, then they consume all of those carbs and no

more and no less. The usual amount for most folks to master first is 15

grams of carbs at each meal. Next a person doses a set number of units of

insulin and two hours later they take another bs reading known as the two

hour post prandial bs. Once they can consistently get the two hour post

prandial bs to be near or close to the pre-meal bs reading, then they have

mastered the dosage level in units of insulin for that particular bunch of

carbs of 15 grams. Once they can consistently show that they have mastered

the carb consumption of 15 grams for a set units of insulin, then they can

double the carb consumption and the insulin dose to see how it does. Some

folks will not follow this very simple instruction. When they finally do

resolve to follow this very simple instruction and not change their carb

consumption at all before they have mastered the dosage requirement first,

they will usually master carb consumptionand dosage requirement very

quickly. If they are stubborn and hard headed like I was in the beginning

by always changing my carb consumption and insulin dosage at practically

every meal, it will take almost forever for them to master glucose level

control, if they do it at all. It is much easier to hit a stationary target

than it is to hit a moving target. I guess some folks have never done any

hunting!

Now when it comes to the E factor determination, this is a horse of a

diffeerent color, and it requires more intense study and experimentation and

charting. I believe the E factor to be the one cue that is most difficult

to determine.

---- Original Message -----

To: <blind-diabetics >

Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 1:25 PM

Subject: Re: C factor?

>I like those CUES.

>

> I'm assuming for the C factor that you should do it on a morning when you

> have a good reading, or does that not matter? I've already had breakfast

> this morning, but I may try it one of these days. I think the main thing

> that would make me hesitate from doing this one is the idea of eating

> glucose tablets when I am not low! Could it be done with one tablet

> instead

> of three or four?

>

> For the U factor, is that the same as correcting for a high blood sugar? I

> take an extra unit of Humalog for every 2 points I am above the upper

> limit

> of my target range, and it pretty much always works, unless I am sick or

> some other factor interferes. I will pay attention next time to how much

> it

> is lowered.

>

> The E factor is what I am trying to figure out now. I've been keeping

> detailed records of my exercise, what I eat beforehand, what my blood

> sugar

> is before, during (sometimes) and after, and what I eat, if anything,

> during

> the exercise. I have suceeded now in not going low mid-exercise, but am

> still figuring out what is best to eat beforehand. Out of all of these

> factors this exercise one is the one I have trouble with!

>

> The S factor seems pretty straightforward! My fasting numbers are almost

> never out of my target range unless I go to bed high.

>

> Where does an insulin-to-carb ratio fit into all this? Is that another

> factor or just something totally different? Is it sort of a combination of

> the C and U factors (your sugar goes up so much from carbs, and is brough

> back down so much by insulin, so that's the ratio)?

>

> Jen

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Typically, in determining the C factor it makes no difference when you do it

no matter whether your bs is high or low when you begin the experiment. All

you need is a bs reading, then immediately consumesay 12 grams of carbs,

preferrably glucose tablets and then take bs readings for every hour

following the ingestion of the carbs. Once the bs reaches its highest peak

then you just divide the number of grams of carbs consumed into the

difference in the beginning bs and what it was at its peak. It usually

makes no diffeerence what the beginning bs reading was. As a general rule

the rise in your bs is determined by the number of grams of carbs consumed

no matter what or when. Consuming glucose tablets of 4 grams each just

makes it easier to determine the definite number of grams of carbs consumed.

The grams of carbs from other sources like bread, potatoes, milk, Coke, and

fruit will vary according to the size and amount of the bite or swallow.

The glucose tablet is always the same.

Re: C factor?

>I like those CUES.

>

> I'm assuming for the C factor that you should do it on a morning when you

> have a good reading, or does that not matter? I've already had breakfast

> this morning, but I may try it one of these days. I think the main thing

> that would make me hesitate from doing this one is the idea of eating

> glucose tablets when I am not low! Could it be done with one tablet

> instead

> of three or four?

>

> For the U factor, is that the same as correcting for a high blood sugar? I

> take an extra unit of Humalog for every 2 points I am above the upper

> limit

> of my target range, and it pretty much always works, unless I am sick or

> some other factor interferes. I will pay attention next time to how much

> it

> is lowered.

>

> The E factor is what I am trying to figure out now. I've been keeping

> detailed records of my exercise, what I eat beforehand, what my blood

> sugar

> is before, during (sometimes) and after, and what I eat, if anything,

> during

> the exercise. I have suceeded now in not going low mid-exercise, but am

> still figuring out what is best to eat beforehand. Out of all of these

> factors this exercise one is the one I have trouble with!

>

> The S factor seems pretty straightforward! My fasting numbers are almost

> never out of my target range unless I go to bed high.

>

> Where does an insulin-to-carb ratio fit into all this? Is that another

> factor or just something totally different? Is it sort of a combination of

> the C and U factors (your sugar goes up so much from carbs, and is brough

> back down so much by insulin, so that's the ratio)?

>

> Jen

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Typically, in determining the C factor it makes no difference when you do it

no matter whether your bs is high or low when you begin the experiment. All

you need is a bs reading, then immediately consumesay 12 grams of carbs,

preferrably glucose tablets and then take bs readings for every hour

following the ingestion of the carbs. Once the bs reaches its highest peak

then you just divide the number of grams of carbs consumed into the

difference in the beginning bs and what it was at its peak. It usually

makes no diffeerence what the beginning bs reading was. As a general rule

the rise in your bs is determined by the number of grams of carbs consumed

no matter what or when. Consuming glucose tablets of 4 grams each just

makes it easier to determine the definite number of grams of carbs consumed.

The grams of carbs from other sources like bread, potatoes, milk, Coke, and

fruit will vary according to the size and amount of the bite or swallow.

The glucose tablet is always the same.

Re: C factor?

>I like those CUES.

>

> I'm assuming for the C factor that you should do it on a morning when you

> have a good reading, or does that not matter? I've already had breakfast

> this morning, but I may try it one of these days. I think the main thing

> that would make me hesitate from doing this one is the idea of eating

> glucose tablets when I am not low! Could it be done with one tablet

> instead

> of three or four?

>

> For the U factor, is that the same as correcting for a high blood sugar? I

> take an extra unit of Humalog for every 2 points I am above the upper

> limit

> of my target range, and it pretty much always works, unless I am sick or

> some other factor interferes. I will pay attention next time to how much

> it

> is lowered.

>

> The E factor is what I am trying to figure out now. I've been keeping

> detailed records of my exercise, what I eat beforehand, what my blood

> sugar

> is before, during (sometimes) and after, and what I eat, if anything,

> during

> the exercise. I have suceeded now in not going low mid-exercise, but am

> still figuring out what is best to eat beforehand. Out of all of these

> factors this exercise one is the one I have trouble with!

>

> The S factor seems pretty straightforward! My fasting numbers are almost

> never out of my target range unless I go to bed high.

>

> Where does an insulin-to-carb ratio fit into all this? Is that another

> factor or just something totally different? Is it sort of a combination of

> the C and U factors (your sugar goes up so much from carbs, and is brough

> back down so much by insulin, so that's the ratio)?

>

> Jen

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse someone

who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I was

a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read

over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it

thoroughly.

I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few years

ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said to

start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test two

hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending on

if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is amazing!

I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it is

okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal, so

I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make

sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I seem

to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was 6.5,

and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit

lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon, and

I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity of

the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at your

last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for

thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an hour

at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it drives

my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main

problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect since

I don't over-treat them.

Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as you

find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, but I

really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what

dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per unit.

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Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse someone

who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I was

a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read

over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it

thoroughly.

I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few years

ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said to

start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test two

hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending on

if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is amazing!

I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it is

okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal, so

I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make

sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I seem

to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was 6.5,

and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit

lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon, and

I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity of

the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at your

last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for

thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an hour

at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it drives

my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main

problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect since

I don't over-treat them.

Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as you

find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, but I

really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what

dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per unit.

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Jen,

You are pretty much on track and doing very well. I believe the secret to

determining all of these CUES is charting. Otherwise how would one know

what is going on inside their body? For the sake of me I have not yet been

able totell what my bs is without taking a sugar meter test and none of my

family members have yet to be able to tell me what my bs is by looking at

me. Until a foolproof method is developed I guess I will have to stick with

the old finger prick, ouch!

Re: C factor?

> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

> someone

> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I

> was

> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read

> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it

> thoroughly.

>

> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few years

> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said to

> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test

> two

> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending on

> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is amazing!

> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it

> is

> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal,

> so

> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make

> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I seem

> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was 6.5,

> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit

> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon,

> and

> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>

> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity

> of

> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at your

> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for

> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an hour

> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it drives

> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main

> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

> since

> I don't over-treat them.

>

> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as

> you

> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, but

> I

> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what

> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

> unit.

>

> Jen

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Jen,

You are pretty much on track and doing very well. I believe the secret to

determining all of these CUES is charting. Otherwise how would one know

what is going on inside their body? For the sake of me I have not yet been

able totell what my bs is without taking a sugar meter test and none of my

family members have yet to be able to tell me what my bs is by looking at

me. Until a foolproof method is developed I guess I will have to stick with

the old finger prick, ouch!

Re: C factor?

> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

> someone

> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I

> was

> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read

> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it

> thoroughly.

>

> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few years

> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said to

> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test

> two

> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending on

> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is amazing!

> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it

> is

> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal,

> so

> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make

> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I seem

> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was 6.5,

> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit

> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon,

> and

> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>

> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity

> of

> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at your

> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for

> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an hour

> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it drives

> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main

> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

> since

> I don't over-treat them.

>

> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as

> you

> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, but

> I

> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what

> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

> unit.

>

> Jen

>

>

>

>

>

>

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It confuses most folks for a very simple reason. They do not want to spend

the time and effort in learning each cue for themselves. It is just a lot

easier to follow the doctors orders. That way I do not have to take

responsibility for what happens to me. I can always blame the doctor. That

is what Wayne did. By the way Wayne wound up with no legs, no feet no

functioning kidneys and oh yeah, Wayne is now dead. I do not believe these

facts bothered his doctor at all. Come to think of it, I do not believe

they bother Wayne at all now. He definitely insisted on listening to his

doctor no matter how poorly his bs levels were for several years before he

passed on. He definitely refused to listen to what any of us had to say,

while he was here. He made his choices and he paid the consequences. Who

is to say what the best choice would be, since we all must die. I prefer to

choose life and health without complications if possible, and it is.

Re: C factor?

> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

> someone

> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I

> was

> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read

> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it

> thoroughly.

>

> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few years

> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said to

> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test

> two

> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending on

> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is amazing!

> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it

> is

> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal,

> so

> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make

> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I seem

> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was 6.5,

> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit

> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon,

> and

> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>

> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity

> of

> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at your

> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for

> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an hour

> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it drives

> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main

> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

> since

> I don't over-treat them.

>

> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as

> you

> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, but

> I

> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what

> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

> unit.

>

> Jen

>

>

>

>

>

>

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It confuses most folks for a very simple reason. They do not want to spend

the time and effort in learning each cue for themselves. It is just a lot

easier to follow the doctors orders. That way I do not have to take

responsibility for what happens to me. I can always blame the doctor. That

is what Wayne did. By the way Wayne wound up with no legs, no feet no

functioning kidneys and oh yeah, Wayne is now dead. I do not believe these

facts bothered his doctor at all. Come to think of it, I do not believe

they bother Wayne at all now. He definitely insisted on listening to his

doctor no matter how poorly his bs levels were for several years before he

passed on. He definitely refused to listen to what any of us had to say,

while he was here. He made his choices and he paid the consequences. Who

is to say what the best choice would be, since we all must die. I prefer to

choose life and health without complications if possible, and it is.

Re: C factor?

> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

> someone

> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I

> was

> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read

> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it

> thoroughly.

>

> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few years

> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said to

> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test

> two

> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending on

> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is amazing!

> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it

> is

> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal,

> so

> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make

> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I seem

> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was 6.5,

> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit

> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon,

> and

> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>

> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity

> of

> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at your

> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for

> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an hour

> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it drives

> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main

> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

> since

> I don't over-treat them.

>

> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as

> you

> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops, but

> I

> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what

> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

> unit.

>

> Jen

>

>

>

>

>

>

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harry, i did not know wayne but i red about him on this line. and i think

you are a real shit to talk about him like this. karen

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>

>

>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>> someone

>> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I

>> was

>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read

>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it

>> thoroughly.

>>

>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>> years

>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said

>> to

>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test

>> two

>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending

>> on

>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>> amazing!

>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it

>> is

>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal,

>> so

>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make

>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I

>> seem

>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was

>> 6.5,

>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit

>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon,

>> and

>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>

>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity

>> of

>> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

>> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at

>> your

>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for

>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an

>> hour

>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>> drives

>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main

>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

>> since

>> I don't over-treat them.

>>

>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as

>> you

>> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops,

>> but I

>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

>> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

>> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what

>> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

>> unit.

>>

>> Jen

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

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harry, i did not know wayne but i red about him on this line. and i think

you are a real shit to talk about him like this. karen

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>

>

>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse

>> someone

>> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control as I

>> was

>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will read

>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I understand it

>> thoroughly.

>>

>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few

>> years

>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they said

>> to

>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), test

>> two

>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio depending

>> on

>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started

>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is

>> amazing!

>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or so it

>> is

>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next meal,

>> so

>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next

>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to make

>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and I

>> seem

>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast was

>> 6.5,

>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also a bit

>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn phenomenon,

>> and

>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast).

>>

>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the intensity

>> of

>> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was eaten

>> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate at

>> your

>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be done

>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog for

>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for an

>> hour

>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically almost

>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't eat

>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as

>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it

>> drives

>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My main

>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound effect

>> since

>> I don't over-treat them.

>>

>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same time as

>> you

>> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it drops,

>> but I

>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me to

>> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if it

>> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record what

>> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops per

>> unit.

>>

>> Jen

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