Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 I agree Cy. That has ben my experience my entire life. Very few are good, and if you find one, stick with it! When I went to the emergency room for my inner ear deal, I told the doctor seeing me I know I am not low my sugar is 146 and he said that was a good sugar. Good sugar? *roll eyes* it is only good since most patients he sees are 200 and higher. I explained my a1c was 5.1 and this 146 was the result of my body having the inner ear infection. Regards, Re: C factor? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could >>>>> confuse >> >>>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under >>>>> control as I was a few months ago, or even just not motivated >>>>> enough! I think I will >> read >>>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I >> understand >>>>> it >>>>> thoroughly. >>>>> >>>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a >>>>> few years ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except >>>>> that they >> said >>>>> to >>>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), >> test >>>>> two >>>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio >> depending >>>>> on >>>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only >>>>> started actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but > >>>>> it is amazing! I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading >>>>> is below 8.0 or >> so it >>>>> is >>>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next >> meal, >>>>> so >>>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > >>>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings >>>>> to >> >>>>> make >>>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and >> I >>>>> seem >>>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast >> was >>>>> 6.5, >>>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also >> a >>>>> bit >>>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn >> phenomenon, >>>>> and >>>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). >>>>> >>>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the >>>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what >>>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog >>>>> and >> >>>>> what you ate at your >>>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be >> done >>>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I >>>>> jog >> for >>>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for >> an >>>>> hour >>>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically >> almost >>>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't >> eat >>>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > >>>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it > >>>>> drives my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with >>>>> that. My >> main >>>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound >> effect >>>>> since >>>>> I don't over-treat them. >>>>> >>>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same >>>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 >>>>> points it drops, but >>>> >>>>> I >>>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me > >>>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is >>>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will >>>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how >>>>> much >> >>>>> it drops per unit. >>>>> >>>>> Jen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 I agree Cy. That has ben my experience my entire life. Very few are good, and if you find one, stick with it! When I went to the emergency room for my inner ear deal, I told the doctor seeing me I know I am not low my sugar is 146 and he said that was a good sugar. Good sugar? *roll eyes* it is only good since most patients he sees are 200 and higher. I explained my a1c was 5.1 and this 146 was the result of my body having the inner ear infection. Regards, Re: C factor? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could >>>>> confuse >> >>>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under >>>>> control as I was a few months ago, or even just not motivated >>>>> enough! I think I will >> read >>>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I >> understand >>>>> it >>>>> thoroughly. >>>>> >>>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a >>>>> few years ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except >>>>> that they >> said >>>>> to >>>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), >> test >>>>> two >>>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio >> depending >>>>> on >>>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only >>>>> started actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but > >>>>> it is amazing! I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading >>>>> is below 8.0 or >> so it >>>>> is >>>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next >> meal, >>>>> so >>>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > >>>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings >>>>> to >> >>>>> make >>>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and >> I >>>>> seem >>>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast >> was >>>>> 6.5, >>>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also >> a >>>>> bit >>>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn >> phenomenon, >>>>> and >>>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). >>>>> >>>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the >>>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what >>>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog >>>>> and >> >>>>> what you ate at your >>>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be >> done >>>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I >>>>> jog >> for >>>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for >> an >>>>> hour >>>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically >> almost >>>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't >> eat >>>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > >>>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it > >>>>> drives my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with >>>>> that. My >> main >>>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound >> effect >>>>> since >>>>> I don't over-treat them. >>>>> >>>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same >>>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 >>>>> points it drops, but >>>> >>>>> I >>>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me > >>>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is >>>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will >>>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how >>>>> much >> >>>>> it drops per unit. >>>>> >>>>> Jen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 I agree Cy. That has ben my experience my entire life. Very few are good, and if you find one, stick with it! When I went to the emergency room for my inner ear deal, I told the doctor seeing me I know I am not low my sugar is 146 and he said that was a good sugar. Good sugar? *roll eyes* it is only good since most patients he sees are 200 and higher. I explained my a1c was 5.1 and this 146 was the result of my body having the inner ear infection. Regards, Re: C factor? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could >>>>> confuse >> >>>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under >>>>> control as I was a few months ago, or even just not motivated >>>>> enough! I think I will >> read >>>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I >> understand >>>>> it >>>>> thoroughly. >>>>> >>>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a >>>>> few years ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except >>>>> that they >> said >>>>> to >>>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), >> test >>>>> two >>>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio >> depending >>>>> on >>>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only >>>>> started actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but > >>>>> it is amazing! I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading >>>>> is below 8.0 or >> so it >>>>> is >>>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next >> meal, >>>>> so >>>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > >>>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings >>>>> to >> >>>>> make >>>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and >> I >>>>> seem >>>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast >> was >>>>> 6.5, >>>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also >> a >>>>> bit >>>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn >> phenomenon, >>>>> and >>>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). >>>>> >>>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the >>>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what >>>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog >>>>> and >> >>>>> what you ate at your >>>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be >> done >>>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I >>>>> jog >> for >>>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for >> an >>>>> hour >>>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically >> almost >>>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't >> eat >>>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > >>>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it > >>>>> drives my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with >>>>> that. My >> main >>>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound >> effect >>>>> since >>>>> I don't over-treat them. >>>>> >>>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same >>>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 >>>>> points it drops, but >>>> >>>>> I >>>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me > >>>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is >>>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will >>>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how >>>>> much >> >>>>> it drops per unit. >>>>> >>>>> Jen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Mike, Some people eat to live and some live to eat-you obviously are the first category! Food is jus not that important to me either as I woul rather be healthy. Re: C factor? Harry: I understand. I joined the list for information also as I was diagnosed as diabetic (Type 1, would you believe) only last March. And I'm nearly 57 years old. Ah well; truth is stranger than fiction. My question was really why someone who *didn't* want to get advice would join the list. But that's just my befuddlement at the human psyche. (grin) For 's benefit, I'm also a computer programmer -- an anachronism: I still program mainframes to some degree. I'm also lucky in that I don't have food cravings so complaints of missing foods just dont compute for me. It's not that I don't enjoy food; it's just not all that important. As says, what's food when compared to a healthy life? Mike Re: C factor? >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse > >>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under >>>> control as I was >>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will > read >>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > understand >>>> it >>>> thoroughly. >>>> >>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few >>>> years >>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they > said >>>> to >>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), > test >>>> two >>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > depending >>>> on >>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started >>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is >>>> amazing! >>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or > so it >>>> is >>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next > meal, >>>> so >>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next >>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to > >>>> make >>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and > I >>>> seem >>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast > was >>>> 6.5, >>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also > a >>>> bit >>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > phenomenon, >>>> and >>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). >>>> >>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the >>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what >>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and > >>>> what you ate at your >>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be > done >>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog > for >>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for > an >>>> hour >>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > almost >>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't > eat >>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as >>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it >>>> drives >>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My > main >>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > effect >>>> since >>>> I don't over-treat them. >>>> >>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same >>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 >>>> points it drops, but >>> >>>> I >>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me >>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is >>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will >>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much > >>>> it drops per unit. >>>> >>>> Jen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Mike, Some people eat to live and some live to eat-you obviously are the first category! Food is jus not that important to me either as I woul rather be healthy. Re: C factor? Harry: I understand. I joined the list for information also as I was diagnosed as diabetic (Type 1, would you believe) only last March. And I'm nearly 57 years old. Ah well; truth is stranger than fiction. My question was really why someone who *didn't* want to get advice would join the list. But that's just my befuddlement at the human psyche. (grin) For 's benefit, I'm also a computer programmer -- an anachronism: I still program mainframes to some degree. I'm also lucky in that I don't have food cravings so complaints of missing foods just dont compute for me. It's not that I don't enjoy food; it's just not all that important. As says, what's food when compared to a healthy life? Mike Re: C factor? >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse > >>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under >>>> control as I was >>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will > read >>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > understand >>>> it >>>> thoroughly. >>>> >>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few >>>> years >>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they > said >>>> to >>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), > test >>>> two >>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > depending >>>> on >>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started >>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is >>>> amazing! >>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or > so it >>>> is >>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next > meal, >>>> so >>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next >>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to > >>>> make >>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and > I >>>> seem >>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast > was >>>> 6.5, >>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also > a >>>> bit >>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > phenomenon, >>>> and >>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). >>>> >>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the >>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what >>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and > >>>> what you ate at your >>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be > done >>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog > for >>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for > an >>>> hour >>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > almost >>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't > eat >>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as >>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it >>>> drives >>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My > main >>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > effect >>>> since >>>> I don't over-treat them. >>>> >>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same >>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 >>>> points it drops, but >>> >>>> I >>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me >>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is >>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will >>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much > >>>> it drops per unit. >>>> >>>> Jen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2005 Report Share Posted July 26, 2005 Mike, Some people eat to live and some live to eat-you obviously are the first category! Food is jus not that important to me either as I woul rather be healthy. Re: C factor? Harry: I understand. I joined the list for information also as I was diagnosed as diabetic (Type 1, would you believe) only last March. And I'm nearly 57 years old. Ah well; truth is stranger than fiction. My question was really why someone who *didn't* want to get advice would join the list. But that's just my befuddlement at the human psyche. (grin) For 's benefit, I'm also a computer programmer -- an anachronism: I still program mainframes to some degree. I'm also lucky in that I don't have food cravings so complaints of missing foods just dont compute for me. It's not that I don't enjoy food; it's just not all that important. As says, what's food when compared to a healthy life? Mike Re: C factor? >>> >>> >>>> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could confuse > >>>> someone who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under >>>> control as I was >>>> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will > read >>>> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > understand >>>> it >>>> thoroughly. >>>> >>>> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a few >>>> years >>>> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they > said >>>> to >>>> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), > test >>>> two >>>> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > depending >>>> on >>>> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only started >>>> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is >>>> amazing! >>>> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or > so it >>>> is >>>> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next > meal, >>>> so >>>> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next >>>> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings to > >>>> make >>>> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and > I >>>> seem >>>> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast > was >>>> 6.5, >>>> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also > a >>>> bit >>>> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > phenomenon, >>>> and >>>> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). >>>> >>>> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the >>>> intensity of the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what >>>> food was eaten beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and > >>>> what you ate at your >>>> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be > done >>>> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I jog > for >>>> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for > an >>>> hour >>>> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > almost >>>> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't > eat >>>> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as >>>> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it >>>> drives >>>> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My > main >>>> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > effect >>>> since >>>> I don't over-treat them. >>>> >>>> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same >>>> time as you find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 >>>> points it drops, but >>> >>>> I >>>> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me >>>> to correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is >>>> if it doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will >>>> record what dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much > >>>> it drops per unit. >>>> >>>> Jen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 *laugh* good one Harry. Regards, Re: C factor? > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could > > > confuse > > > >> someone > > > >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under > control > > > as I > > > >> was > > > >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I > will > > > read > > > >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > > > understand it > > > >> thoroughly. > > > >> > > > >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a > > > few years > > > >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that > they > > > said to > > > >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of > carbs), > > > test > > > >> two > > > >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > > > depending on > > > >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only > > > started > > > >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it > is > > > amazing! > > > >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 > or > > > so it > > > >> is > > > >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the > next > > > meal, > > > >> so > > > >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the > next > > > >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour > readings > > > to make > > > >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day > and > > > I seem > > > >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after > breakfast > > > was 6.5, > > > >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is > also > > > a bit > > > >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > > > phenomenon, > > > >> and > > > >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > > >> > > > >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the > > > intensity > > > >> of > > > >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was > > > eaten > > > >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you > ate > > > at your > > > >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to > be > > > done > > > >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I > > > jog for > > > >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths > for > > > an hour > > > >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > > > almost > > > >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I > don't > > > eat > > > >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not > as > > > >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards > it > > > drives > > > >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. > My > > > main > > > >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > > > effect > > > >> since > > > >> I don't over-treat them. > > > >> > > > >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same > > > time as > > > >> you > > > >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it > > > drops, but > > > > > > > >> I > > > >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for > me > > > to > > > >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is > if > > > it > > > >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will > record > > > what > > > >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it > drops > > > per > > > >> unit. > > > >> > > > >> Jen > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 *laugh* good one Harry. Regards, Re: C factor? > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could > > > confuse > > > >> someone > > > >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under > control > > > as I > > > >> was > > > >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I > will > > > read > > > >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > > > understand it > > > >> thoroughly. > > > >> > > > >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a > > > few years > > > >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that > they > > > said to > > > >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of > carbs), > > > test > > > >> two > > > >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > > > depending on > > > >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only > > > started > > > >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it > is > > > amazing! > > > >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 > or > > > so it > > > >> is > > > >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the > next > > > meal, > > > >> so > > > >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the > next > > > >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour > readings > > > to make > > > >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day > and > > > I seem > > > >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after > breakfast > > > was 6.5, > > > >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is > also > > > a bit > > > >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > > > phenomenon, > > > >> and > > > >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > > >> > > > >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the > > > intensity > > > >> of > > > >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was > > > eaten > > > >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you > ate > > > at your > > > >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to > be > > > done > > > >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I > > > jog for > > > >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths > for > > > an hour > > > >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > > > almost > > > >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I > don't > > > eat > > > >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not > as > > > >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards > it > > > drives > > > >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. > My > > > main > > > >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > > > effect > > > >> since > > > >> I don't over-treat them. > > > >> > > > >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same > > > time as > > > >> you > > > >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it > > > drops, but > > > > > > > >> I > > > >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for > me > > > to > > > >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is > if > > > it > > > >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will > record > > > what > > > >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it > drops > > > per > > > >> unit. > > > >> > > > >> Jen > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 *laugh* good one Harry. Regards, Re: C factor? > > > > > > > > > > > >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could > > > confuse > > > >> someone > > > >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under > control > > > as I > > > >> was > > > >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I > will > > > read > > > >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > > > understand it > > > >> thoroughly. > > > >> > > > >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a > > > few years > > > >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that > they > > > said to > > > >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of > carbs), > > > test > > > >> two > > > >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > > > depending on > > > >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only > > > started > > > >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it > is > > > amazing! > > > >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 > or > > > so it > > > >> is > > > >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the > next > > > meal, > > > >> so > > > >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the > next > > > >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour > readings > > > to make > > > >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day > and > > > I seem > > > >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after > breakfast > > > was 6.5, > > > >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is > also > > > a bit > > > >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > > > phenomenon, > > > >> and > > > >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > > >> > > > >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the > > > intensity > > > >> of > > > >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was > > > eaten > > > >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you > ate > > > at your > > > >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to > be > > > done > > > >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I > > > jog for > > > >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths > for > > > an hour > > > >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > > > almost > > > >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I > don't > > > eat > > > >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not > as > > > >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards > it > > > drives > > > >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. > My > > > main > > > >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > > > effect > > > >> since > > > >> I don't over-treat them. > > > >> > > > >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same > > > time as > > > >> you > > > >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it > > > drops, but > > > > > > > >> I > > > >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for > me > > > to > > > >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is > if > > > it > > > >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will > record > > > what > > > >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it > drops > > > per > > > >> unit. > > > >> > > > >> Jen > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Hmm? Cy, the Ancient Okie... Re: C factor? It is just my cinical way of expressing another point of view as to why some diabetics do not follow sound advice. So smile while you read it. Re: C factor? > > > > > > > > >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could > > confuse > > >> someone > > >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control > > as I > > >> was > > >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will > > read > > >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > > understand it > > >> thoroughly. > > >> > > >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a > > few years > > >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they > > said to > > >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), > > test > > >> two > > >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > > depending on > > >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only > > started > > >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is > > amazing! > > >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or > > so it > > >> is > > >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next > > meal, > > >> so > > >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > > >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings > > to make > > >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and > > I seem > > >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast > > was 6.5, > > >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also > > a bit > > >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > > phenomenon, > > >> and > > >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > >> > > >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the > > intensity > > >> of > > >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was > > eaten > > >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate > > at your > > >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be > > done > > >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I > > jog for > > >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for > > an hour > > >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > > almost > > >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't > > eat > > >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > > >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it > > drives > > >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My > > main > > >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > > effect > > >> since > > >> I don't over-treat them. > > >> > > >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same > > time as > > >> you > > >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it > > drops, but > > > > > >> I > > >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me > > to > > >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if > > it > > >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record > > what > > >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops > > per > > >> unit. > > >> > > >> Jen > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Hmm? Cy, the Ancient Okie... Re: C factor? It is just my cinical way of expressing another point of view as to why some diabetics do not follow sound advice. So smile while you read it. Re: C factor? > > > > > > > > >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could > > confuse > > >> someone > > >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control > > as I > > >> was > > >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will > > read > > >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > > understand it > > >> thoroughly. > > >> > > >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a > > few years > > >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they > > said to > > >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), > > test > > >> two > > >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > > depending on > > >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only > > started > > >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is > > amazing! > > >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or > > so it > > >> is > > >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next > > meal, > > >> so > > >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > > >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings > > to make > > >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and > > I seem > > >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast > > was 6.5, > > >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also > > a bit > > >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > > phenomenon, > > >> and > > >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > >> > > >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the > > intensity > > >> of > > >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was > > eaten > > >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate > > at your > > >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be > > done > > >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I > > jog for > > >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for > > an hour > > >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > > almost > > >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't > > eat > > >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > > >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it > > drives > > >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My > > main > > >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > > effect > > >> since > > >> I don't over-treat them. > > >> > > >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same > > time as > > >> you > > >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it > > drops, but > > > > > >> I > > >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me > > to > > >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if > > it > > >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record > > what > > >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops > > per > > >> unit. > > >> > > >> Jen > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Hmm? Cy, the Ancient Okie... Re: C factor? It is just my cinical way of expressing another point of view as to why some diabetics do not follow sound advice. So smile while you read it. Re: C factor? > > > > > > > > >> Thanks for all of that information. I can see how that could > > confuse > > >> someone > > >> who is new to diabetes, though, or new to getting it under control > > as I > > >> was > > >> a few months ago, or even just not motivated enough! I think I will > > read > > >> over the C and U stuff again before I try it to make sure I > > understand it > > >> thoroughly. > > >> > > >> I learned about carb counting and matching it to insulin doses a > > few years > > >> ago, and they told me much the same as you wrote, except that they > > said to > > >> start with a 1:15 ratio (1 unit of Humalog for every 15g of carbs), > > test > > >> two > > >> hours after the meal, and then increase or decrease the ratio > > depending on > > >> if your blood sugar was within target after the meal. I only > > started > > >> actually using carb counting a few months ago, however, but it is > > amazing! > > >> I've been told that as long as my two-hour reading is below 8.0 or > > so it > > >> is > > >> okay, because mine continues to drop significantly before the next > > meal, > > >> so > > >> I do not want to be 5 two hours after a meal and then 3 at the next > > >> mealtime! I have one day a week when I check my two-hour readings > > to make > > >> sure my carb ratios are okay. Actually today is my checking day and > > I seem > > >> to be on track: I was 4.1 at breakfast, two hours after breakfast > > was 6.5, > > >> and was 4.8 just now at lunch. My carb ratio in the morning is also > > a bit > > >> lower than the rest of the day to take into account the dawn > > phenomenon, > > >> and > > >> I spike highest after meals in the morning (after breakfast). > > >> > > >> The E factor I think is so difficult because it depends on the > > intensity > > >> of > > >> the exercise as well as the duration, as well as what food was > > eaten > > >> beforehand, as well as when you last took Humalog and what you ate > > at your > > >> last meal, and probably other factors I've forgotten. It has to be > > done > > >> separately for each type of exercise. I react differently when I > > jog for > > >> thirty minutes on the elliptical than I do when I swim lengths for > > an hour > > >> at the pool. The first one will drop my sugar very dramatically > > almost > > >> immediately and throughout will continue to drop a bit if I don't > > eat > > >> something, while the latter causes me to drop during it (but not as > > >> dramatically as the jogging), and for hours and hours afterwards it > > drives > > >> my sugar down! So I will continue to be experimenting with that. My > > main > > >> problem with exercise is lows and not really having any rebound > > effect > > >> since > > >> I don't over-treat them. > > >> > > >> Am I correct in thinking that you find your U factor at the same > > time as > > >> you > > >> find your C factor? I believe my U factor is 2 or 2.5 points it > > drops, but > > > > > >> I > > >> really don't pay attention to it much, it's almost automatic for me > > to > > >> correct it when I have to, and the only time I pay attention is if > > it > > >> doesn't work for some reason. But next time I am high I will record > > what > > >> dose of Humalog I take so that I can figure out how much it drops > > per > > >> unit. > > >> > > >> Jen > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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