Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 In a message dated 2/12/05 7:22:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, shelleyslife@... writes: > ¸..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- > ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) > ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- > 2005~*~Alive! Alive! Alive! > -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*. > ____ Wow, that picture's awesome! By the way, my personal opinion (mostly based on list history) is that political discussions on NN are fine if they are 1) related to the non-political subject matter (IOW political but relating to food, nutrition, health, dietary/nutritional anthropology, etc) or 2) occur spontaneously from following out tangents from on-topic threads. #2 describes probably 90% of the political discussion we've had, and sometimes in the past its been necessary to debate political principles divorced from the original context as one of those tangents, to isolate the principle that is indeed relevant to the original discussion. I think political discussion has calmed down a lot on this list since nt_politics has become a LOT more active than it was, and has largely diffused the political activity on this list. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 In a message dated 2/12/05 7:25:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, christiekeith@... writes: > I am QUITE SURE Heidi told me this is caused by gluten. ____ Actually I think it is usually initially caused by the overconsumption of long-chain inulin, which tends to potentiate a reaction to gluten that expresses itself as xenophobia and other ghonorrea-related characteristics. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 And some people were afraid that the socialist, Kerry, was going to be in the Whitehouse. I, however, was not one of them, as I had more faith in freedom loving Americans then that. Now, can we not be political anymore? Some people who join these groups do not appreciate potentially inflammatory and controversial subject matter....would like to stay on topic or related, at least. I think that is the most thoughtful thing to do myself. ¸..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- 2005~*~Alive! Alive! Alive! -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*. http://www.auctionsniper.com/?how=shelleyslifeearthlink (DOT) net POLITICS - New Warning From Center for Disease Control The Center for Disease Control has issued a warning about a new virulent strain of sexually transmitted disease. This disease is contracted through dangerous and high risk behavior. The disease is called Gonorrhea Lectim (pronounced " gonna re-elect him " ). Many victims have contracted it after having been screwed for the past 4 years, in spite of having taken measures to protect themselves from this especially troublesome disease. Cognitive sequellae of individuals infected with Gonorrhea Lectim include, but are not limited to: Anti-social personality disorder traits; delusions of grandeur with a distinct messianic flavor; chronic mangling of the English language; extreme cognitive dissonance; inability to incorporate new information; pronounced xenophobia; inability to accept responsibility for actions; exceptional cowardice masked by acts of misplaced bravado; uncontrolled facial smirking; ignorance of geography and history; tendencies toward creating evangelical theocracies; and a strong propensity for categorical, all-or nothing behavior. The disease is sweeping Washington. Naturalists and epidemiologists are amazed and baffled that this malignant disease originated only a few years ago in a Texas Bush. <HTML><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC " -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN " " http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd " ><BODY><FONT FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " > <B>IMPORTANT ADDRESSES</B> <UL> <LI><B><A HREF= " / " >NATIVE NUTRITION</A></B> online</LI> <LI><B><A HREF= " http://onibasu.com/ " >SEARCH</A></B> the entire message archive with Onibasu</LI> </UL></FONT> <PRE><FONT FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " ><B><A HREF= " mailto: -owner " >LIST OWNER:</A></B> Idol <B>MODERATORS:</B> Heidi Schuppenhauer Wanita Sears </FONT></PRE> </BODY> </HTML> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 In a message dated 2/12/05 9:28:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, christiekeith@... writes: > Kerry is a socialist only in the bizarro world. ____ While neither of them are socialists, both Kerry and Bush incorporate a substantial influence of socialism into their platforms and policies. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 In a message dated 2/12/05 9:55:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, christiekeith@... writes: > >> Actually I think it is usually initially caused by the overconsumption of > long-chain inulin, which tends to potentiate a reaction to gluten that > expresses > itself as xenophobia and other ghonorrea-related characteristics. << > > You're just saying that because you're a man, though. ____ Au contraire, I actually have woman-like cognitive organization, as evidenced by my History degree. Plus I like Meg movies. So I'm really a woman deep down inside. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 In a message dated 2/12/05 11:06:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, lazlo75501@... writes: > Most likely its infiltrating via anally rentive suppositories... > that or evil carrots controlling peoples minds via rectal > interface. ____ Crap I didn't get my carrot tested. I might be at risk! Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 >> The disease is sweeping Washington. Naturalists and epidemiologists are amazed and baffled that this malignant disease originated only a few years ago in a Texas Bush. << I am QUITE SURE Heidi told me this is caused by gluten. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 In a message dated 2/12/05 11:31:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, christiekeith@... writes: > >> Plus I like Meg movies. So I'm really a woman deep down inside. << > > That is so beautiful, Chris..... :::::wiping tiny tear:::::: > > But... wait. I DON'T LIKE MEG RYAN MOVIES! What does that make me????? ____ A lesbian. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Now, can we not be political anymore? Some people who join these groups do not appreciate potentially inflammatory and controversial subject matter....would like to stay on topic or related, at least. ------------------- I don't know. Can we be apolitical? This list is often just that - political. That's why the tag is in the subject header. (But maybe you are new?) That way, if you want to filter the political stuff, you can. But obviously, this is satire, the most innocuous and entertaining sort of politics engaged in here. It could actually be funny even, whereas often our political debates are heated. But alas, only is the List God. If HE has problems with it, then he can swat me directly for it. But if you don't like politics, then delete it. Honestly, I only enjoyed the humor of it all by itself, that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 >I am QUITE SURE Heidi told me this is caused by gluten. > >Christie > I bet it's the evil Zonulin at work! Helga, is this evidence that Zonulin is infiltrating our government via the digestive tract? Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 > -----Original Message----- > From: yoginidd [mailto:hl@...] > > I don't know. Can we be apolitical? This list is often just > that - political. That's why the tag is in the subject > header. (But maybe you are new?) That way, if you want to > filter the political stuff, you can. But obviously, this is > satire, the most innocuous and entertaining sort of politics > engaged in here. It could actually be funny even, whereas > often our political debates are heated. IMO, it's one thing when a thread starts on topic and drifts into politics, but entirely another to start a new thread with an off-topic post consisting of little more than a litany of insulting overgeneralizations wrapped in a thin veneer of humor. But that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 >> And some people were afraid that the socialist, Kerry, was going to be in the Whitehouse. I, however, was not one of them, as I had more faith in freedom loving Americans then that. << What an odd dictionary you are using.... it's like people who call, oh, Bush a fascist, and I have to wonder what words will be left to describe another Hitler or Mussolini. Kerry is a socialist only in the bizarro world. And this list is set up so that poff topic political posts with the tag " POLITICS " are allowed. Check the archive and see how far from nutrition we regularly roam. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 >> Actually I think it is usually initially caused by the overconsumption of long-chain inulin, which tends to potentiate a reaction to gluten that expresses itself as xenophobia and other ghonorrea-related characteristics. << You're just saying that because you're a man, though. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 >> IMO, it's one thing when a thread starts on topic and drifts into politics, but entirely another to start a new thread with an off-topic post consisting of little more than a litany of insulting overgeneralizations wrapped in a thin veneer of humor. But that's just me. << That's true, , but I think you are overlooking the gluten connection. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Ummmm, let me explain my little " because you're a man " comment to was a joke based on an ongoing discussion on the nt_politics list, and I got the two lists confused. I was, of course, kidding - which I hope even out of context was obvious. Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 I use a Webster's. Perhaps you should check your dictionary. The way you determine if a person is a Fascist, Socialist, etc, is not based on any emotion that you may be feeling at any given moment. Getting mad at a leader of a sovereign nation for not bending over (or for any other reason) to a body of people...say the UN, for example...or any other nation...who would just as soon screw one while one was bent over...does not make one a Fascist. If you look up the definition of Fascist, you clearly would find that Bush is not a Fascist, unless you are adept at blinding yourself to the truth. Being the leader of a sovereign nation and making decisions based on that fact and in order to keep that nation sovereign and safe, does not by definition make one a Fascist...and neither does your or anyone else's opinion. However, if you look up the definition of a Socialist and check a certain person's voting record, you would clearly see that by definition, that certain person is a Socialist. 'nuff now? ¸..· ´¨¨)) -:¦:- ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- 2005~*~Alive! Alive! Alive! -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*. http://www.auctionsniper.com/?how=shelleyslifeearthlink (DOT) net Re: POLITICS - New Warning From Center for Disease Control >> And some people were afraid that the socialist, Kerry, was going to be in the Whitehouse. I, however, was not one of them, as I had more faith in freedom loving Americans then that. << What an odd dictionary you are using.... it's like people who call, oh, Bush a fascist, and I have to wonder what words will be left to describe another Hitler or Mussolini. Kerry is a socialist only in the bizarro world. And this list is set up so that poff topic political posts with the tag " POLITICS " are allowed. Check the archive and see how far from nutrition we regularly roam. Christie <HTML><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC " -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN " " http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd " ><BODY><FONT FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " > <B>IMPORTANT ADDRESSES</B> <UL> <LI><B><A HREF= " / " >NATIVE NUTRITION</A></B> online</LI> <LI><B><A HREF= " http://onibasu.com/ " >SEARCH</A></B> the entire message archive with Onibasu</LI> </UL></FONT> <PRE><FONT FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " ><B><A HREF= " mailto: -owner " >LIST OWNER:</A></B> Idol <B>MODERATORS:</B> Heidi Schuppenhauer Wanita Sears </FONT></PRE> </BODY> </HTML> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 > I bet it's the evil Zonulin at work! Helga, is this evidence that > Zonulin is infiltrating our government via the digestive tract? > Deanna Most likely its infiltrating via anally rentive suppositories... that or evil carrots controlling peoples minds via rectal interface. Darrell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 >> Plus I like Meg movies. So I'm really a woman deep down inside. << That is so beautiful, Chris..... :::::wiping tiny tear:::::: But... wait. I DON'T LIKE MEG RYAN MOVIES! What does that make me????? Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 oh, please > > In a message dated 2/12/05 9:28:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, > christiekeith@... writes: > > > Kerry is a socialist only in the bizarro world. > ____ > > While neither of them are socialists, both Kerry and Bush incorporate a > substantial influence of socialism into their platforms and policies. > > Chris > > ____ > > " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a > heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and > animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them > make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, > which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of > the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray > ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for > those > who do them wrong. " > > --Saint Isaac the Syrian > > > > <HTML><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC " -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN " > " http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd " ><BODY><FONT > FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " > > <B>IMPORTANT ADDRESSES</B> > <UL> > <LI><B><A HREF= " / " >NATIVE > NUTRITION</A></B> online</LI> > <LI><B><A HREF= " http://onibasu.com/ " >SEARCH</A></B> the entire message archive > with Onibasu</LI> > </UL></FONT> > <PRE><FONT FACE= " monospace " SIZE= " 3 " ><B><A > HREF= " mailto: -owner " >LIST OWNER:</A></B> > Idol > <B>MODERATORS:</B> Heidi Schuppenhauer > Wanita Sears > </FONT></PRE> > </BODY> > </HTML> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 >I bet it's the evil Zonulin at work! Helga, is this evidence that >Zonulin is infiltrating our government via the digestive tract? > >Deanna Well, y'know it's hard to say, but those opioids reaching people's brains DO cause psychosis ... aided by inulin, diet Coke, and pretzels, I think I read. Heidi Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 >> A lesbian. << Oh yeah, I forgot for a minute. Can I borrow your carrot? Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 In a message dated 2/13/05 2:33:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, christiekeith@... writes: > >> A lesbian. << > > Oh yeah, I forgot for a minute. > > Can I borrow your carrot? ____ You might want to peel it first but just washing it off will retain more nutrients. Remember to return it. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 In a message dated 2/13/05 11:39:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, shelleyslife@... writes: > As I said, your opinion matters not. And, your further explanation is a > really good reason why I am most thankful it doesn't. ____ I don't think anyone's opinion really matters if they aren't prepared to back it up, but if it's true that Kerry advocates state ownership of the means of production and distribution or the abolition of private property, then it behooves you to offer some support for such a bold claim. While it is quite obvious, to anyone who actually takes the terms seriously and uses them as they are meant instead of as a means of disparagement through exaggeration, that Kerry and W. Bush are not socialists or Socialists, it's also true that *both* of them support *some* state ownership of production and distribution. For example, both of them support state-ownership of the military. Both of them support taxation and various forms of redistribution. So, either we use the definition of socialism in an absolute sense and admit for seriousness's sake that neither of them are socialists, or we use the term to address a partial influence in their polices that can be quantified as to its magnitude. If we do the latter, then there is no *qualitative* difference between Bush's socialism and Kerry's socialism, but only a quantitative difference. And, since the amount of money as a percentage of the total and in absolute amounts flowing through the Federal government has increased by an incredible margin under Bush, it is arguable that on quantitative grounds Bush is more socialist than Clinton, although we don't really have quantitative information about what a Kerry presidency would have wound up with available for comparison. Unless you have something from Kerry's voting record, such as a vote to take over Exxon or to turn over GM and Ford to democratic worker's collectives, I don't see how you could make qualitative claims about Kerry's socialism being greater than Bush's. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 In a message dated 2/13/05 12:38:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, shelleyslife@... writes: > As I've already said, politics is one of my favorite subjects so I'm in this > conversation for the long haul. ____ If that's true, perhaps you could look up Kerry's voting record and offer maybe three, or at least one, example(s) of votes that indicate that Kerry believed 1) that the state should own the means of production and distribution or 2) that private property should be abolished. Since 's position, that such votes do not exist, could not be proven without providing every single vote, the burden is on you to prove a positive, rather than on to prove a negative. Once you can do such, we'd have to examine whether those votes are qualitatively any closer to socialism than policies advocated by Bush. ____ >If right wing means that I believe > in America, the Constitution and Liberty in the way Washington and > many founders of this great nation, then that is a correct description of moi ____ If that's true, then you must have a profoundly different conception of liberty than W. Bush. Bush is by no means a strict Constitutionalist, and I can't for the life of me find where in the Constitution it is ordained that the Federal Government be justified in collecting taxes for, and administering, a prescription drug plan, for example. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 In a message dated 2/13/05 3:05:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, implode7@... writes: > So, then, you seem to be stating that to some degree, both Bush and Kerry, > because of the fact that they acquiesce to " state ownership of the military " > and " taxation and various forms of redistribution " have been influenced by > Socialism? > > Surely you don't mean that. Was there no Taxation before socialism existed? > Were armies privately owned? _____ I don't think those are simple questions to answer, since we'd have to look at the idea of public vs. private ownership of the government. This isn't a subject I've studied in any great depth, but Hans Hermann-Hoppe makes the case in _Democracy: The God that Failed_ that the idea of the state as publicly owned and identified with the population itself is a modern concept. There was certainly taxation before socialism existed, or socialist movements existed, although I think the concept of taxation historically has been very different than the modern one although I think that's occurred from the advent of constitutionalism rather than socialism. So no, I don't think that taxation or state-owned military are dependent on socialism and those were probably bad examples. However, I do think that previous to the 20th century the idea of what was legitimate use of taxes was quite different than what we have now, and I do think that the idea of the welfare state resulted from an interaction between socialism and classical capitalism. Chris ____ " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings, birds, and animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the sight of them make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense compassion, which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to bear the sight of the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the truth, and for those who do them wrong. " --Saint Isaac the Syrian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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