Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:24:20 -0800 Blazey <teresa.blazey@...> wrote: > Just spicing things up a bit: <snip> Rather, human female breasts are > secondary sexual characteristics that evolved to attract mates. > According to Desmond (The Naked Ape, 1967), this took place > along with the switch from dogstyle to missionary mating, the > pendulous shape and cleavage of the breasts mimicking the previous > attractiveness of the female buttocks. This also explains why men find > other pendulous shapes (like ear lobes) and other cleavages (like toes > in low-vamped shoes) such a turn-on. " > > B. Okay well this leads to another question. If Mr. is correct, and the pendulous shape and cleavage of the breasts mimic the female buttocks, and men like them that way as opposed to flat chests, then what does this say about flat butts? Are we to assume, as some have posited in this thread, that flat butts like flat chests are possibly the result of inferior nutrition? And if so this raises MANY questions in my mind, since I've known more than a few women who lacked chest size but more than made up for it in butt size and vice-versa. " Scholarship is essentially confirming your early paranoia through a deeper factual analysis. " Murray Rothbard " Vegetarians, come away from The Dark Side. Pork is the other white meat; beef is what’s for dinner; and a day without pepper-crusted venison tenderloin is like a day without sunshine. " Brad Edmonds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 , I'm not attached to D. ' theory, I was just being mischievous. I loved the way so many jumped back with, " Not *my* husband--no way! " and I don't quite believe there are cultures that truly see breasts solely as milk-delivery devices. Young women are just altogether too alluring....I'm not buying it. FWIW I don't think size matters in the big picture.. B. On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:08:51 -0800, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote: > > > On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:24:20 -0800 > Blazey <teresa.blazey@...> wrote: > > > Just spicing things up a bit: > > <snip> > > Rather, human female breasts are > > secondary sexual characteristics that evolved to attract mates. > > According to Desmond (The Naked Ape, 1967), this took place > > along with the switch from dogstyle to missionary mating, the > > pendulous shape and cleavage of the breasts mimicking the previous > > attractiveness of the female buttocks. This also explains why men find > > other pendulous shapes (like ear lobes) and other cleavages (like toes > > in low-vamped shoes) such a turn-on. " > > > > B. > > Okay well this leads to another question. > > If Mr. is correct, and the pendulous shape and cleavage of the > breasts mimic the female buttocks, and men like them that way as opposed > to flat chests, then what does this say about flat butts? Are we to > assume, as some have posited in this thread, that flat butts like flat > chests are possibly the result of inferior nutrition? > > And if so this raises MANY questions in my mind, since I've known more > than a few women who lacked chest size but more than made up for it in > butt size and vice-versa. > > > " Scholarship is essentially confirming your early paranoia through > a deeper factual analysis. " > Murray Rothbard > > " Vegetarians, come away from The Dark Side. > Pork is the other white meat; beef is what's for dinner; > and a day without pepper-crusted venison tenderloin is > like a day without sunshine. " > Brad Edmonds > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 > If Mr. is correct, and the pendulous shape and cleavage of the > breasts mimic the female buttocks, and men like them that way as opposed > to flat chests, then what does this say about flat butts? Are we to > assume, as some have posited in this thread, that flat butts like flat > chests are possibly the result of inferior nutrition? > I'd say so. My older sister (the first born) had a lovely figure and could wear anything off the rack. I was always jealous of her butt. <g> I, on the other hand, being born only 14 months after my sis, too soon for Mom to have regained her nutritional stores, have always been thick through the middle and flat behind. Perhaps my sis was jealous of my top, though. <g> My younger sis, born 3 years after I was, had a lovely figure. My daughter has a lovely figure. She is an only child. Just my two cents' worth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 In a message dated 11/30/04 5:20:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, teresa.blazey@... writes: > FWIW I don't think size matters in the big picture.. ____ ~~~> Could you elaborate more on what you mean? What's important in the big picture? Shape? Texture? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Anyone here had a breast lift? I've been nursing for almost 14 years straight and am considering a breast lift once my son weans. I notice that some of the tissue has decreased as well even though I wear a 34 C bra . I must be very vain but after all I like my body and work out daily to stay in tip top shape and all is fine and dandy except for my sagging breats. BTW- my butt used to be rounder before I had children ( I have 5) and has now taken on a flatter shape which I don't mind. Elainie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 In a message dated 12/1/04 6:20:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, jessclaire@... writes: > >I don't know what 's " big picture " is but mine might be > >summarized by this saying: " it's not the size of the boat, but the > >motion of the ocean " ; ) ____ ~~~~> Right, but most of us guys are wondering what the women are saying when the guys leave the room. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 In a message dated 12/1/04 8:08:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, hl@... writes: > Size matters. _____ ~~~> Hmm... this looks like an honest post so far. _____ > Although, length of male organ (dong, prick, cock: might as well use > slang for it like we did with boobs) _____ ~~~~> Oh come now, it is much more polite to call it the " penal shaft. " _____ >probably takes a back seat to > length of enjoyment as a function of time, which can multiply orgasms > for women. ______ ~~~~> Funny you say that, because there's a guy at work who make the likely spurious claim of having a 12 " ... um, penal shaft, and who says he never gets sex from his wife. Maybe once a month (on the 32nd.) He's also said after five minutes he's done and ready for a cigarette. Hmm.... What about magnitude of hardness? I read a column by a woman who was saying that length was not so important (she was writing for a men's magazine... wonder what she writes in the woman's magazine...) but the degree of erectness was a dimension of size that is very important. She said it makes a woman feel sexy if the erectness is more extreme, so it was important to maintain good diet for health of blood vessels to allow for maximum erectile capacity. (Putting it in our hands gives us so much hope...) ____ >Why is male sexuality such a taboo in the media nowadays > anyway? _____ ~~~~> I don't know, but I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that women seem to be much more comfortable with women's sexuality than men with men's. Women are able to engage in an enormous amount of behavior that men's homophobia would be prohibitive of. Most guys wouldn't dare dance with other guys the way straight women will dance with each other. Guys tend to hug each other less often. Women seem not to mind seeing female nudity in a movie, where men would be more likely to cringe at male nudity. Men seem to be less open about sexuality in general, in my experience. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 I don't know what 's " big picture " is but mine might be summarized by this saying: " it's not the size of the boat, but the motion of the ocean " ; ) > ~~~> Could you elaborate more on what you mean? What's important in the big > picture? Shape? Texture? > > Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:49:59 EST, zumicat@... <zumicat@...> wrote: > > Anyone here had a breast lift? I've been nursing for almost 14 years straight > and am considering a breast lift once my son weans. Elainie, Hmmmm...elective surgery? I'd think twice about it since people DIE every year from plastic surgery. Not to mention the food they'll try to feed you in the hospital. If I were you, I'd invest in some awesome bras that LIFT the boobs. 's Secret even makes a bra with gel implants...on the outside, of course! To be fair, I did get laser surgery on my eyes, but I was too young and my eyes continued to change. I do have better vision now, but far from 20/20 and I have to wear glasses in many situations. The recovery totally sucked (felt like I had glass in my eyes for a week) so I don't think I'll be getting it done again. I have one friend who had a nose job (it looks good and she's much happier with herself) and another friend who got lipo--she gained weight after the surgery and now has really lumpy, nasty thighs. Totally gross. And she has the cutest butt before the lipo, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 FWIW I don't think size matters in the big picture.. > > ____ > > ~~~> Could you elaborate more on what you mean? What's important in the big > picture? Shape? Texture? I mean that what's important in the big picture is that the male, in this case, finds the female's secondary sex characteristics--her funbags--attractive and, well, compelling. In the small picture, preferences re: size and presentation may shift. B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Oh my! I lost track of this thread....I thought we had moved on from breasts to the size and shape of a *different* non-female body part. <blush> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:34:50 -0500, <jessclaire@...> wrote: > I don't know what 's " big picture " is but mine might be > summarized by this saying: " it's not the size of the boat, but the > motion of the ocean " ; ) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Oh my! I lost track of this thread....I thought we had moved on from > breasts to the size and shape of a *different* non-female body part. > <blush> > > , Apparently everyone knew but me. B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 ~~~~> Right, but most of us guys are wondering what the women are saying when the guys leave the room. - Chris ------------------------------- Size matters. And it may be too much, or not enough. Women come with different sized compartments, so it is dependent on the match up. Although, length of male organ (dong, prick, cock: might as well use slang for it like we did with boobs) probably takes a back seat to length of enjoyment as a function of time, which can multiply orgasms for women. Why is male sexuality such a taboo in the media nowadays anyway? Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 > zumicat@... wrote: > Anyone here had a breast lift? I've been nursing for almost 14 years > straight > and am considering a breast lift once my son weans. > I notice that some of the tissue has decreased as well even though I wear > a > 34 C bra . > I must be very vain but after all I like my body and work out daily to > stay > in tip top shape > and all is fine and dandy except for my sagging breats. > Elainie Elainie, I got top tissue increase, half a lift and what seems to be a bit bigger with just replacing my former carb heavy diet with protein and fat. Almost have cleavage for the first time without being lactating. :-) Wanita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 wondered, > What about magnitude of hardness? I read a column by a woman who was > saying > that length was not so important (she was writing for a men's magazine... > wonder what she writes in the woman's magazine...) but the degree of > erectness was > a dimension of size that is very important. She said it makes a woman > feel > sexy if the erectness is more extreme, so it was important to maintain > good > diet for health of blood vessels to allow for maximum erectile capacity. > (Putting it in our hands gives us so much hope...) Under pain of penalty, I am roflol about that comment in parenthesis, about hope <snort> and hands <wheeze> I can't bring myself to even cut and paste. Haa haa haa. Okay. I am better now. Um, hee, yes. The erection factor. Not really been an issue for me. It can affect things when she's about to blow it is more solid and massive, and yes, powerful sexy beyond. But I think in the course of intercourse (or oral sex), there is a more or less constancy of erectness, in my sordid experience anyway. > ____ > > >Why is male sexuality such a taboo in the media nowadays > > anyway? > _____ > > ~~~~> I don't know, but I wonder if it has anything to do with the > fact that > women seem to be much more comfortable with women's sexuality than men > with > men's. Women are able to engage in an enormous amount of behavior > that men's > homophobia would be prohibitive of. Most guys wouldn't dare dance > with other > guys the way straight women will dance with each other. Guys tend to > hug each > other less often. Women seem not to mind seeing female nudity in a > movie, > where men would be more likely to cringe at male nudity. Men seem to > be less open > about sexuality in general, in my experience. > > Chris Exactly. I think women are insecure with maleness maybe. I think it is a cultural thing. But, male homosexuality is apparently prime time TV stuff (from what my priest's 10 year old tells me), yet male nudity used to be more the norm in movies than now. Now it is all women, maybe because the men own the production of media? No crotches for gals to look at. It seems like women don't know how to grope or ? or see men in their rightful sexiness of umph and glory. Insecure women and close-minded men? Maybe it is the combo. With hope and hands and lips <weg> Deanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Deanna <hl@...> wrote: No crotches for gals to look at. It seems like women don't know how to grope or ? or see men in their rightful sexiness of umph and glory. Insecure women and close-minded men? Maybe it is the combo. With hope and hands and lips <weg> Deanna ######### That must be some awfully good wine you are drinking tonight <weg> Throw Away Your Vote! If you must, vote for a third party http://snipurl.com/a8od " In The Abolition of Man, C.S. observed that the modern schoolboy is conditioned to take one side in a controversy which he has not learned to recognize as a controversy at all. That is, he is trained to assume a materialist and Darwinian outlook, without realizing that materialism and Darwinism have been subject to thoughtful criticisms from their first appearance. " Joe Sobran __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 > In a message dated 12/1/04 8:08:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, hl@s... > writes: > > > Size matters. > _____ > > ~~~> Hmm... this looks like an honest post so far. > _____ > > > Although, length of male organ (dong, prick, cock: might as well use > > slang for it like we did with boobs) > _____ > > ~~~~> Oh come now, it is much more polite to call it the " penal shaft. " Could we spell that " penile " ? I'm not sure what a penal shaft would be, but it doesn't sound pleasant - maybe an elevator shaft in a prison - they drop you down it if you're bad? Aven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 >>~~~~> Right, but most of us guys are wondering what the women are saying when the guys leave the room. Chris<< ~~~Maybe I'm living a sheltered life, but I've never been in a room where the women talk about sex organs when the men leave the room. I wonder if maybe you guys are flattering yourselves! :-) Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 , Before you go this route try taking Silicea.it's used in Germany for strengthening the skin and connective tissues. Re: Butts and Breasts was: Ecological Nursing > > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:49:59 EST, zumicat@... <zumicat@...> wrote: >> >> Anyone here had a breast lift? I've been nursing for almost 14 years >> straight >> and am considering a breast lift once my son weans. > > Elainie, > > Hmmmm...elective surgery? I'd think twice about it since people DIE > every year from plastic surgery. Not to mention the food they'll try > to feed you in the hospital. If I were you, I'd invest in some > awesome bras that LIFT the boobs. 's Secret even makes a bra > with gel implants...on the outside, of course! > > To be fair, I did get laser surgery on my eyes, but I was too young > and my eyes continued to change. I do have better vision now, but far > from 20/20 and I have to wear glasses in many situations. The > recovery totally sucked (felt like I had glass in my eyes for a week) > so I don't think I'll be getting it done again. > > I have one friend who had a nose job (it looks good and she's much > happier with herself) and another friend who got lipo--she gained > weight after the surgery and now has really lumpy, nasty thighs. > Totally gross. And she has the cutest butt before the lipo, too. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 In a message dated 12/1/04 8:16:13 PM, slethnobotanist@... writes: > > www.brava.com > > And nothing works on filling out butts like full squats. Nothing. > > > Micheal- I did check out Brava but was concerned with the way it *grew* breast tissue. That could be dangerous. BTW- both my mother's have had plastic surgery as wel as many others I've known and not had a problem. As for the hospital food- my mother has her surgery done in a private NYC hospital which is more like an exclusive hotel and they bring in the best food. She said we could both go in together for a lift LOL. Elainie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:19:51 -0000, Griffiths <moppett1@...> wrote: > > , Before you go this route try taking Silicea.it's used in Germany > for strengthening the skin and connective tissues. > > , Just to set the record straight, it was Elainie, not me, who was asking about the breast lift. Sorry if the cutting and pasting wasn't clear. > > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:49:59 EST, zumicat@... <zumicat@...> wrote: > >> > >> Anyone here had a breast lift? I've been nursing for almost 14 years > >> straight > >> and am considering a breast lift once my son weans. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 , > I haven't had a breast lift (bseg) and I don't have a flat butt but I would recommend you check this out before considering surgery: > > www.brava.com Looks like an interesting product, but you have to wear it 10 hours a day!!!!! I don't think this would go over too well with the dh. > > And nothing works on filling out butts like full squats. Nothing. > OK, this is a dumb question, but could you direct me to some pictures of the kind of squats you're talking about? I'm a yoga gal myself, but I'd like to begin doing more strength training. I'd really like to try kettlebells, but I'd prefer to have a lesson or two before investing in them and/or hurting myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:16:14 -0500, <jessclaire@...> wrote: OK, this is a dumb question, but could you direct me to some pictures of the kind of squats you're talking about? I'm a yoga gal myself, but I'd like to begin doing more strength training. I'd really like to try kettlebells, but I'd prefer to have a lesson or two before investing in them and/or hurting myself. , may have more to say on the subject, but here is a link you may find helpful: http://stumptuous.com/weights_index_revision.html B. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Deanna, > Size matters. And it may be too much, or not enough. Women come with > different sized compartments, so it is dependent on the match up. I agree *somewhat* with this statement, but in my experience the size and shape of a partner's schlong (I think you missed this one!) takes a backseat to how he kisses and touches in terms of my enjoyment. I think men *think* we women are more obsessed with penile shaft (!) size than we actually are. Men (and women) need to be reminded that only a small percent of women reach orgasm through penetration alone. >Why is male sexuality such a taboo in the media nowadays anyway? There is some HI-larious male nudity in the film " Sideways " if you haven't seen it yet. Of course the purpose of it is for comedic, not erotic, effect. The argument is sometimes made that women's bodies are inherently more beautiful than men's bodies...if we are thin and have rather large breasts, that is. I don't agree with this, but walking through any museum seems to confirm that looking at nude female bodies has always been pretty popular. But then most artists represented in museums are male and I do think men tend to respond to visual stimulation (they consume more porn, for instance) more than women do. The Greeks loved the nude male form, but I suspect this had to do with their open attitude toward homosexuality and obsession with athletes. I never really found looking at men's bodies very stimulating until I practically fainted upon beholding angelo's in the Galleria dell'Accademia. Oh, and he has a *small* penis! Of course, it's not erect, and we all know how looks can be deceiving! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 At 10:12 AM 12/2/04 -0500, you wrote: >>Before you go this route try taking Silicea.it's used in Germany >> for strengthening the skin and connective tissues. Isn't Silicea a homeopathic remedy? Or is this something else? (just wondering) MFJ Why not ... [all sorts of things]? ~ Anton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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