Re: Butts and Breasts was: Ecological Nursing

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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:24:20 -0800

Blazey <teresa.blazey@...> wrote:

> Just spicing things up a bit:

<snip>

Rather, human female breasts are

> secondary sexual characteristics that evolved to attract mates.

> According to Desmond (The Naked Ape, 1967), this took place

> along with the switch from dogstyle to missionary mating, the

> pendulous shape and cleavage of the breasts mimicking the previous

> attractiveness of the female buttocks. This also explains why men find

> other pendulous shapes (like ear lobes) and other cleavages (like toes

> in low-vamped shoes) such a turn-on. "

>

> B.

Okay well this leads to another question.

If Mr. is correct, and the pendulous shape and cleavage of the

breasts mimic the female buttocks, and men like them that way as opposed

to flat chests, then what does this say about flat butts? Are we to

assume, as some have posited in this thread, that flat butts like flat

chests are possibly the result of inferior nutrition?

And if so this raises MANY questions in my mind, since I've known more

than a few women who lacked chest size but more than made up for it in

butt size and vice-versa.

" Scholarship is essentially confirming your early paranoia through

a deeper factual analysis. "

Murray Rothbard

" Vegetarians, come away from The Dark Side.

Pork is the other white meat; beef is what’s for dinner;

and a day without pepper-crusted venison tenderloin is

like a day without sunshine. "

Brad Edmonds

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,

I'm not attached to D. ' theory, I was just being mischievous.

I loved the way so many jumped back with,

" Not *my* husband--no way! "

and I don't quite believe there are cultures that truly see breasts

solely as milk-delivery devices. Young women are just altogether too

alluring....I'm not buying it.

FWIW I don't think size matters in the big picture..

B.

On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:08:51 -0800, <slethnobotanist@...> wrote:

>

>

> On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:24:20 -0800

> Blazey <teresa.blazey@...> wrote:

>

> > Just spicing things up a bit:

>

> <snip>

>

> Rather, human female breasts are

> > secondary sexual characteristics that evolved to attract mates.

> > According to Desmond (The Naked Ape, 1967), this took place

> > along with the switch from dogstyle to missionary mating, the

> > pendulous shape and cleavage of the breasts mimicking the previous

> > attractiveness of the female buttocks. This also explains why men find

> > other pendulous shapes (like ear lobes) and other cleavages (like toes

> > in low-vamped shoes) such a turn-on. "

> >

> > B.

>

> Okay well this leads to another question.

>

> If Mr. is correct, and the pendulous shape and cleavage of the

> breasts mimic the female buttocks, and men like them that way as opposed

> to flat chests, then what does this say about flat butts? Are we to

> assume, as some have posited in this thread, that flat butts like flat

> chests are possibly the result of inferior nutrition?

>

> And if so this raises MANY questions in my mind, since I've known more

> than a few women who lacked chest size but more than made up for it in

> butt size and vice-versa.

>

>

> " Scholarship is essentially confirming your early paranoia through

> a deeper factual analysis. "

> Murray Rothbard

>

> " Vegetarians, come away from The Dark Side.

> Pork is the other white meat; beef is what's for dinner;

> and a day without pepper-crusted venison tenderloin is

> like a day without sunshine. "

> Brad Edmonds

>

>

>

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> If Mr. is correct, and the pendulous shape and cleavage of

the

> breasts mimic the female buttocks, and men like them that way as

opposed

> to flat chests, then what does this say about flat butts? Are we to

> assume, as some have posited in this thread, that flat butts like

flat

> chests are possibly the result of inferior nutrition?

>

I'd say so. My older sister (the first born) had a lovely figure and

could wear anything off the rack. I was always jealous of her butt.

<g>

I, on the other hand, being born only 14 months after my sis, too

soon for Mom to have regained her nutritional stores, have always

been thick through the middle and flat behind. Perhaps my sis was

jealous of my top, though. <g>

My younger sis, born 3 years after I was, had a lovely figure.

My daughter has a lovely figure. She is an only child.

Just my two cents' worth!

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In a message dated 11/30/04 5:20:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

teresa.blazey@... writes:

> FWIW I don't think size matters in the big picture..

____

~~~> Could you elaborate more on what you mean? What's important in the big

picture? Shape? Texture?

Chris

[Guest guest]

Anyone here had a breast lift? I've been nursing for almost 14 years straight

and am considering a breast lift once my son weans.

I notice that some of the tissue has decreased as well even though I wear a

34 C bra .

I must be very vain but after all I like my body and work out daily to stay

in tip top shape

and all is fine and dandy except for my sagging breats.

BTW- my butt used to be rounder before I had children ( I have 5) and has now

taken on a flatter

shape which I don't mind.

Elainie

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In a message dated 12/1/04 6:20:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jessclaire@... writes:

> >I don't know what 's " big picture " is but mine might be

> >summarized by this saying: " it's not the size of the boat, but the

> >motion of the ocean " ; )

____

~~~~> Right, but most of us guys are wondering what the women are saying when

the guys leave the room.

Chris

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In a message dated 12/1/04 8:08:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, hl@...

writes:

> Size matters.

_____

~~~> Hmm... this looks like an honest post so far.

_____

> Although, length of male organ (dong, prick, cock: might as well use

> slang for it like we did with boobs)

_____

~~~~> Oh come now, it is much more polite to call it the " penal shaft. "

_____

>probably takes a back seat to

> length of enjoyment as a function of time, which can multiply orgasms

> for women.

______

~~~~> Funny you say that, because there's a guy at work who make the likely

spurious claim of having a 12 " ... um, penal shaft, and who says he never gets

sex from his wife. Maybe once a month (on the 32nd.) He's also said after

five minutes he's done and ready for a cigarette. Hmm....

What about magnitude of hardness? I read a column by a woman who was saying

that length was not so important (she was writing for a men's magazine...

wonder what she writes in the woman's magazine...) but the degree of erectness

was

a dimension of size that is very important. She said it makes a woman feel

sexy if the erectness is more extreme, so it was important to maintain good

diet for health of blood vessels to allow for maximum erectile capacity.

(Putting it in our hands gives us so much hope...)

____

>Why is male sexuality such a taboo in the media nowadays

> anyway?

_____

~~~~> I don't know, but I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that

women seem to be much more comfortable with women's sexuality than men with

men's. Women are able to engage in an enormous amount of behavior that men's

homophobia would be prohibitive of. Most guys wouldn't dare dance with other

guys the way straight women will dance with each other. Guys tend to hug each

other less often. Women seem not to mind seeing female nudity in a movie,

where men would be more likely to cringe at male nudity. Men seem to be less

open

about sexuality in general, in my experience.

Chris

[Guest guest]

I don't know what 's " big picture " is but mine might be

summarized by this saying: " it's not the size of the boat, but the

motion of the ocean " ; )

> ~~~> Could you elaborate more on what you mean? What's important in the big

> picture? Shape? Texture?

>

> Chris

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:49:59 EST, zumicat@... <zumicat@...> wrote:

>

> Anyone here had a breast lift? I've been nursing for almost 14 years straight

> and am considering a breast lift once my son weans.

Elainie,

Hmmmm...elective surgery? I'd think twice about it since people DIE

every year from plastic surgery. Not to mention the food they'll try

to feed you in the hospital. If I were you, I'd invest in some

awesome bras that LIFT the boobs. 's Secret even makes a bra

with gel implants...on the outside, of course!

To be fair, I did get laser surgery on my eyes, but I was too young

and my eyes continued to change. I do have better vision now, but far

from 20/20 and I have to wear glasses in many situations. The

recovery totally sucked (felt like I had glass in my eyes for a week)

so I don't think I'll be getting it done again.

I have one friend who had a nose job (it looks good and she's much

happier with herself) and another friend who got lipo--she gained

weight after the surgery and now has really lumpy, nasty thighs.

Totally gross. And she has the cutest butt before the lipo, too.

[Guest guest]

FWIW I don't think size matters in the big picture..

>

> ____

>

> ~~~> Could you elaborate more on what you mean? What's important in the big

> picture? Shape? Texture?

I mean that what's important in the big picture is that the male, in

this case, finds the female's secondary sex characteristics--her

funbags--attractive and, well, compelling.

In the small picture, preferences re: size and presentation may shift.

B.

[Guest guest]

Oh my! I lost track of this thread....I thought we had moved on from

breasts to the size and shape of a *different* non-female body part.

<blush>

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:34:50 -0500, <jessclaire@...> wrote:

> I don't know what 's " big picture " is but mine might be

> summarized by this saying: " it's not the size of the boat, but the

> motion of the ocean " ; )

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh my! I lost track of this thread....I thought we had moved on from

> breasts to the size and shape of a *different* non-female body part.

> <blush>

>

>

,

Apparently everyone knew but me.

B.

[Guest guest]

~~~~> Right, but most of us guys are wondering what the women are saying

when the guys leave the room. - Chris

-------------------------------

Size matters. And it may be too much, or not enough. Women come with

different sized compartments, so it is dependent on the match up.

Although, length of male organ (dong, prick, cock: might as well use

slang for it like we did with boobs) probably takes a back seat to

length of enjoyment as a function of time, which can multiply orgasms

for women. Why is male sexuality such a taboo in the media nowadays

anyway?

Deanna

[Guest guest]

> zumicat@... wrote:

> Anyone here had a breast lift? I've been nursing for almost 14 years

> straight

> and am considering a breast lift once my son weans.

> I notice that some of the tissue has decreased as well even though I wear

> a

> 34 C bra .

> I must be very vain but after all I like my body and work out daily to

> stay

> in tip top shape

> and all is fine and dandy except for my sagging breats.

> Elainie

Elainie,

I got top tissue increase, half a lift and what seems to be a bit bigger

with just replacing my former carb heavy diet with protein and fat. Almost

have cleavage for the first time without being lactating. :-)

Wanita

[Guest guest]

wondered,

> What about magnitude of hardness? I read a column by a woman who was

> saying

> that length was not so important (she was writing for a men's magazine...

> wonder what she writes in the woman's magazine...) but the degree of

> erectness was

> a dimension of size that is very important. She said it makes a woman

> feel

> sexy if the erectness is more extreme, so it was important to maintain

> good

> diet for health of blood vessels to allow for maximum erectile capacity.

> (Putting it in our hands gives us so much hope...)

Under pain of penalty, I am roflol about that comment in parenthesis,

about hope <snort> and hands <wheeze> I can't bring myself to even cut

and paste. Haa haa haa.

Okay. I am better now. Um, hee, yes. The erection factor. Not really

been an issue for me. It can affect things when she's about to blow it

is more solid and massive, and yes, powerful sexy beyond. But I think

in the course of intercourse (or oral sex), there is a more or less

constancy of erectness, in my sordid experience anyway.

> ____

>

> >Why is male sexuality such a taboo in the media nowadays

> > anyway?

> _____

>

> ~~~~> I don't know, but I wonder if it has anything to do with the

> fact that

> women seem to be much more comfortable with women's sexuality than men

> with

> men's. Women are able to engage in an enormous amount of behavior

> that men's

> homophobia would be prohibitive of. Most guys wouldn't dare dance

> with other

> guys the way straight women will dance with each other. Guys tend to

> hug each

> other less often. Women seem not to mind seeing female nudity in a

> movie,

> where men would be more likely to cringe at male nudity. Men seem to

> be less open

> about sexuality in general, in my experience.

>

> Chris

Exactly. I think women are insecure with maleness maybe. I think it is

a cultural thing. But, male homosexuality is apparently prime time TV

stuff (from what my priest's 10 year old tells me), yet male nudity used

to be more the norm in movies than now. Now it is all women, maybe

because the men own the production of media? No crotches for gals to

look at. It seems like women don't know how to grope or ? or see men in

their rightful sexiness of umph and glory. Insecure women and

close-minded men? Maybe it is the combo.

With hope and hands and lips <weg>

Deanna

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Deanna <hl@...> wrote:

No crotches for gals to

look at. It seems like women don't know how to grope or ? or see men in

their rightful sexiness of umph and glory. Insecure women and

close-minded men? Maybe it is the combo.

With hope and hands and lips <weg>

Deanna

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> In a message dated 12/1/04 8:08:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, hl@s...

> writes:

>

> > Size matters.

> _____

>

> ~~~> Hmm... this looks like an honest post so far.

> _____

>

> > Although, length of male organ (dong, prick, cock: might as well use

> > slang for it like we did with boobs)

> _____

>

> ~~~~> Oh come now, it is much more polite to call it the " penal shaft. "

Could we spell that " penile " ? I'm not sure what a penal shaft would be,

but it doesn't sound pleasant - maybe an elevator shaft in a prison -

they drop you down it if you're bad?

Aven

[Guest guest]

>>~~~~> Right, but most of us guys are wondering what the women are saying when

the guys leave the room.

Chris<<

~~~Maybe I'm living a sheltered life, but I've never been in a room where the

women talk about sex organs when the men leave the room. I wonder if maybe you

guys are flattering yourselves! :-)

Carol

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, Before you go this route try taking Silicea.it's used in Germany

for strengthening the skin and connective tissues.

Re: Butts and Breasts was: Ecological Nursing

>

> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:49:59 EST, zumicat@... <zumicat@...> wrote:

>>

>> Anyone here had a breast lift? I've been nursing for almost 14 years

>> straight

>> and am considering a breast lift once my son weans.

>

> Elainie,

>

> Hmmmm...elective surgery? I'd think twice about it since people DIE

> every year from plastic surgery. Not to mention the food they'll try

> to feed you in the hospital. If I were you, I'd invest in some

> awesome bras that LIFT the boobs. 's Secret even makes a bra

> with gel implants...on the outside, of course!

>

> To be fair, I did get laser surgery on my eyes, but I was too young

> and my eyes continued to change. I do have better vision now, but far

> from 20/20 and I have to wear glasses in many situations. The

> recovery totally sucked (felt like I had glass in my eyes for a week)

> so I don't think I'll be getting it done again.

>

> I have one friend who had a nose job (it looks good and she's much

> happier with herself) and another friend who got lipo--she gained

> weight after the surgery and now has really lumpy, nasty thighs.

> Totally gross. And she has the cutest butt before the lipo, too.

>

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 12/1/04 8:16:13 PM, slethnobotanist@... writes:

>

> www.brava.com

>

> And nothing works on filling out butts like full squats. Nothing.

>

>

>

Micheal- I did check out Brava but was concerned with the way it *grew*

breast tissue.

That could be dangerous. BTW- both my mother's have had plastic surgery as

wel as many

others I've known and not had a problem. As for the hospital food- my

mother has her surgery done in a private NYC hospital which is more like an

exclusive hotel and they bring in the best food.

She said we could both go in together for a lift LOL.

Elainie

>

>

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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:19:51 -0000, Griffiths

<moppett1@...> wrote:

>

> , Before you go this route try taking Silicea.it's used in Germany

> for strengthening the skin and connective tissues.

>

>

,

Just to set the record straight, it was Elainie, not me, who was

asking about the breast lift. Sorry if the cutting and pasting wasn't

clear.

> > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:49:59 EST, zumicat@... <zumicat@...> wrote:

> >>

> >> Anyone here had a breast lift? I've been nursing for almost 14 years

> >> straight

> >> and am considering a breast lift once my son weans.

> >

[Guest guest]

,

> I haven't had a breast lift (bseg) and I don't have a flat butt but I would

recommend you check this out before considering surgery:

>

> www.brava.com

Looks like an interesting product, but you have to wear it 10 hours a

day!!!!! I don't think this would go over too well with the dh.

>

> And nothing works on filling out butts like full squats. Nothing.

>

OK, this is a dumb question, but could you direct me to some pictures

of the kind of squats you're talking about? I'm a yoga gal myself,

but I'd like to begin doing more strength training. I'd really like

to try kettlebells, but I'd prefer to have a lesson or two before

investing in them and/or hurting myself.

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:16:14 -0500, <jessclaire@...> wrote:

OK, this is a dumb question, but could you direct me to some pictures

of the kind of squats you're talking about? I'm a yoga gal myself,

but I'd like to begin doing more strength training. I'd really like

to try kettlebells, but I'd prefer to have a lesson or two before

investing in them and/or hurting myself.

,

may have more to say on the subject, but here is a link you

may find helpful:

http://stumptuous.com/weights_index_revision.html

B.

>

[Guest guest]

Deanna,

> Size matters. And it may be too much, or not enough. Women come with

> different sized compartments, so it is dependent on the match up.

I agree *somewhat* with this statement, but in my experience the size

and shape of a partner's schlong (I think you missed this one!) takes

a backseat to how he kisses and touches in terms of my enjoyment. I

think men *think* we women are more obsessed with penile shaft (!)

size than we actually are. Men (and women) need to be reminded that

only a small percent of women reach orgasm through penetration alone.

>Why is male sexuality such a taboo in the media nowadays

anyway?

There is some HI-larious male nudity in the film " Sideways " if you

haven't seen it yet. Of course the purpose of it is for comedic, not

erotic, effect. The argument is sometimes made that women's bodies

are inherently more beautiful than men's bodies...if we are thin and

have rather large breasts, that is. I don't agree with this, but

walking through any museum seems to confirm that looking at nude

female bodies has always been pretty popular. But then most artists

represented in museums are male and I do think men tend to respond to

visual stimulation (they consume more porn, for instance) more than

women do. The Greeks loved the nude male form, but I suspect this had

to do with their open attitude toward homosexuality and obsession with

athletes.

I never really found looking at men's bodies very stimulating until I

practically fainted upon beholding angelo's in the

Galleria dell'Accademia. Oh, and he has a *small* penis! Of course,

it's not erect, and we all know how looks can be deceiving!

[Guest guest]

At 10:12 AM 12/2/04 -0500, you wrote:

>>Before you go this route try taking Silicea.it's used in Germany

>> for strengthening the skin and connective tissues.

Isn't Silicea a homeopathic remedy? Or is this something else? (just

wondering)

MFJ

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