Re: (unknown)

[Guest guest]

There is a website that you can search for summer camps.www.allgacamps.org Another useful website ti search for child care iswww.qualitycareforchildren.orgSelect -Find Child Care under "Tools for Parents"Sent from my iPhone

I am trying to find a summer camp program for my daughter when school gets out on May 22. My daughter is five years old. I need something that is reasonable in price if I have to pay.

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne

This happened to our daughter when she was really anxious. She would turn

corners sharply......we realized it was because we were going to Disney. How old

is your daughter?

Sent from my iPhone

> Hello,

> I am brand new to this group and to OCD (my ds was diagnosed a month ago)

and was wondering what you do when your child performs compulsions in public

such as walking " uniquely, " etc. Obvious compulsions in public are a new thing

and I would love some suggestions. I try to redirect him by engaging in

conversation if we've been quiet before or I've said, " Looks like your OCD is

trying to get the best of you. Remember I'm on your side. " Do any of you use a

signal? Should I try to just completely ignore it? Thanks in advance for your

help.

>

> Anne

>

>

[Guest guest]

He is 11 years old.  It definitely happens when he's anxious and in an

" exposure " environment that we're supposed to be in, but I wish I knew how I

should react/intervene (or not). 

________________________________

To: " " < >

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 2:08 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

Hi Anne

This happened to our daughter when she was really anxious. She would turn

corners sharply......we realized it was because we were going to Disney. How old

is your daughter?

Sent from my iPhone

> Hello,

> I am brand new to this group and to OCD (my ds was diagnosed a month ago)

and was wondering what you do when your child performs compulsions in public

such as walking " uniquely, " etc. Obvious compulsions in public are a new thing

and I would love some suggestions. I try to redirect him by engaging in

conversation if we've been quiet before or I've said, " Looks like your OCD is

trying to get the best of you. Remember I'm on your side. " Do any of you use a

signal? Should I try to just completely ignore it? Thanks in advance for your

help.

>

> Anne

>

>

[Guest guest]

I he in therapy for this? With my son, the therapist and he made a list of all

the fears he had, and they tackled each one by one, including assignments that

he had to do during the week between sessions. With your son, it would be

helpful to know why he is walking this way, e.g. he is protecting himself from

touching things or whatever. Thus, the therapist or you could help him to see

the obsession that leads to this compulsion (way he is walking) is his OCD

talking, and he could then identify compulsions he does to deal with this

obsession, including the odd walking and agree to tackle these.

(unknown)

Hello,

I am brand new to this group and to OCD (my ds was diagnosed a month ago)

and was wondering what you do when your child performs compulsions in public

such as walking " uniquely, " etc. Obvious compulsions in public are a new thing

and I would love some suggestions. I try to redirect him by engaging in

conversation if we've been quiet before or I've said, " Looks like your OCD is

trying to get the best of you. Remember I'm on your side. " Do any of you use a

signal? Should I try to just completely ignore it? Thanks in advance for your

help.

Anne

[Guest guest]

I he in therapy for this? With my son, the therapist and he made a list of all

the fears he had, and they tackled each one by one, including assignments that

he had to do during the week between sessions. With your son, it would be

helpful to know why he is walking this way, e.g. he is protecting himself from

touching things or whatever. Thus, the therapist or you could help him to see

the obsession that leads to this compulsion (way he is walking) is his OCD

talking, and he could then identify compulsions he does to deal with this

obsession, including the odd walking and agree to tackle these.

(unknown)

Hello,

I am brand new to this group and to OCD (my ds was diagnosed a month ago)

and was wondering what you do when your child performs compulsions in public

such as walking " uniquely, " etc. Obvious compulsions in public are a new thing

and I would love some suggestions. I try to redirect him by engaging in

conversation if we've been quiet before or I've said, " Looks like your OCD is

trying to get the best of you. Remember I'm on your side. " Do any of you use a

signal? Should I try to just completely ignore it? Thanks in advance for your

help.

Anne

[Guest guest]

I appreciate your reply.  He is in therapy for this but I realize that since

this compulsion is new, his therapist probably isn't aware of it.  I will be

sure to bring it to her attention so they can add this to the list that they are

tackling.  I'll ask her how to deal with compulsions out in public, too.  But

if anyone has any insight, I'd love to hear it.  Thanks.

________________________________

To:

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:22 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

I he in therapy for this? With my son, the therapist and he made a list of all

the fears he had, and they tackled each one by one, including assignments that

he had to do during the week between sessions. With your son, it would be

helpful to know why he is walking this way, e.g. he is protecting himself from

touching things or whatever. Thus, the therapist or you could help him to see

the obsession that leads to this compulsion (way he is walking) is his OCD

talking, and he could then identify compulsions he does to deal with this

obsession, including the odd walking and agree to tackle these.

(unknown)

Hello,

I am brand new to this group and to OCD (my ds was diagnosed a month ago) and

was wondering what you do when your child performs compulsions in public such as

walking " uniquely, " etc. Obvious compulsions in public are a new thing and I

would love some suggestions. I try to redirect him by engaging in conversation

if we've been quiet before or I've said, " Looks like your OCD is trying to get

the best of you. Remember I'm on your side. " Do any of you use a signal?

Should I try to just completely ignore it? Thanks in advance for your help.

Anne

[Guest guest]

I appreciate your reply.  He is in therapy for this but I realize that since

this compulsion is new, his therapist probably isn't aware of it.  I will be

sure to bring it to her attention so they can add this to the list that they are

tackling.  I'll ask her how to deal with compulsions out in public, too.  But

if anyone has any insight, I'd love to hear it.  Thanks.

________________________________

To:

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 8:22 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

I he in therapy for this? With my son, the therapist and he made a list of all

the fears he had, and they tackled each one by one, including assignments that

he had to do during the week between sessions. With your son, it would be

helpful to know why he is walking this way, e.g. he is protecting himself from

touching things or whatever. Thus, the therapist or you could help him to see

the obsession that leads to this compulsion (way he is walking) is his OCD

talking, and he could then identify compulsions he does to deal with this

obsession, including the odd walking and agree to tackle these.

(unknown)

Hello,

I am brand new to this group and to OCD (my ds was diagnosed a month ago) and

was wondering what you do when your child performs compulsions in public such as

walking " uniquely, " etc. Obvious compulsions in public are a new thing and I

would love some suggestions. I try to redirect him by engaging in conversation

if we've been quiet before or I've said, " Looks like your OCD is trying to get

the best of you. Remember I'm on your side. " Do any of you use a signal?

Should I try to just completely ignore it? Thanks in advance for your help.

Anne

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,

Welcome to our group. I'm sure others may have some suggestions for you on

this. We didn't deal with this much.

Our son is 20, so he is pretty invested in hiding his OCD in public. Even at

his most severe he could. He would do things like walk around things to avoid

contamination concerns, or not hug/shake hands, that kind of thing. I never

tried to stop him from doing anything like this.

I like how you handled it, naming it OCD, redirecting his attention(distraction

as a way of coping is useful), telling him you support him, all good things to

do.

Unless you are working on a particular compulsion, and you are to be pointing it

out to him, and helping him work on limiting it, I would leave him alone. He

knows he is doing it, and probably is not able not too. So ignoring it, or if

he has a comfort level with it, you can be humorous about it, something like,

" there goes the OCD making you do a silly walk " - use of humor is dependent on

your son though.

With OCD, you get pretty comfortable with all manner of bizarre behaviors,

behind closed doors or in public. I think it is up to the person with OCD and

their comfort level (for lack of a better description). No one wants to act

differently in public, and usually if they are acting out a compulsion it is

because they are not able to contain it. That they don't start avoiding being

in public because of this is more important, so with this in mind I would let it

go.

You can try asking your son what if anything he would like you to do in this

situation. I'm big on giving them the power to choose, since they have lost

control to the OCD. I found my son was really good at coming up with creative

solutions. Anything short of out and out accommodating the OCD or getting

involved in the ritual, is ok.

Glad you found our group Anne. Keep posting your questions. There are many

here who have dealt with a lot and will usually have some good suggestions, or

at minimum can offer understanding.

Warmly,

Barb

Canada

Son, 20, OCD, LD Plus

>

> Hello,

> I am brand new to this group and to OCD (my ds was diagnosed a month ago) and

was wondering what you do when your child performs compulsions in public such as

walking " uniquely, " etc. Obvious compulsions in public are a new thing and I

would love some suggestions. I try to redirect him by engaging in conversation

if we've been quiet before or I've said, " Looks like your OCD is trying to get

the best of you. Remember I'm on your side. " Do any of you use a signal?

Should I try to just completely ignore it? Thanks in advance for your help.

>

> Anne

>

>]

>

[Guest guest]

You gave me some amazing insight, Barb.  Thank you.  I will ask him what he

would like for me to do in the situation.  Thankfully, he is pretty insightful

so this is a perfect suggestion. 

 

Sincerely,

Anne

________________________________

To:

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:57 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

Hi Anne,

Welcome to our group. I'm sure others may have some suggestions for you on

this. We didn't deal with this much.

Our son is 20, so he is pretty invested in hiding his OCD in public. Even at

his most severe he could. He would do things like walk around things to avoid

contamination concerns, or not hug/shake hands, that kind of thing. I never

tried to stop him from doing anything like this.

I like how you handled it, naming it OCD, redirecting his attention(distraction

as a way of coping is useful), telling him you support him, all good things to

do.

Unless you are working on a particular compulsion, and you are to be pointing it

out to him, and helping him work on limiting it, I would leave him alone. He

knows he is doing it, and probably is not able not too. So ignoring it, or if

he has a comfort level with it, you can be humorous about it, something like,

" there goes the OCD making you do a silly walk " - use of humor is dependent on

your son though.

With OCD, you get pretty comfortable with all manner of bizarre behaviors,

behind closed doors or in public. I think it is up to the person with OCD and

their comfort level (for lack of a better description). No one wants to act

differently in public, and usually if they are acting out a compulsion it is

because they are not able to contain it. That they don't start avoiding being

in public because of this is more important, so with this in mind I would let it

go.

You can try asking your son what if anything he would like you to do in this

situation. I'm big on giving them the power to choose, since they have lost

control to the OCD. I found my son was really good at coming up with creative

solutions. Anything short of out and out accommodating the OCD or getting

involved in the ritual, is ok.

Glad you found our group Anne. Keep posting your questions. There are many

here who have dealt with a lot and will usually have some good suggestions, or

at minimum can offer understanding.

Warmly,

Barb

Canada

Son, 20, OCD, LD Plus

>

> Hello,

> I am brand new to this group and to OCD (my ds was diagnosed a month ago) and

was wondering what you do when your child performs compulsions in public such as

walking " uniquely, " etc. Obvious compulsions in public are a new thing and I

would love some suggestions. I try to redirect him by engaging in conversation

if we've been quiet before or I've said, " Looks like your OCD is trying to get

the best of you. Remember I'm on your side. " Do any of you use a signal?

Should I try to just completely ignore it? Thanks in advance for your help.

>

> Anne

>

>]

>

[Guest guest]

Responding to this:

" He is 11 years old. It definitely happens when he's anxious and in an

" exposure " environment that we're supposed to be in, but I wish I knew how I

should react/intervene (or not). "

This is a mistake I used to make too. Doing exposures in " real life " Real life

exposures are a Late stage of ERP. There are two components- what you do to

treat (CBT/ERP) which should be done as a " time out " of real life- a set up

exposure, not tolerating stuff in real life. Then there is getting through the

day in real life and what you have to do here should not be an exposure until

you have a really good handle on the issue in private. The kid needs to know

that however much they freak out during the exposure, it is fine. It is in

private (ideally) and is time limited.

You can explain to him that what ocd is making him do looks odd and ask if he

can easily control it in public, but if not, I would work on it at home first

and let it be in public. My son used to lick things in public ( to get the

spots off) this included desks at school and his shoes(yuck but i did not DARE

play the germ card as he has never had a germ issue). We just worked on " spots "

at home enough that eventually he stopped licking stuff. But they have to do

what they have to do in public and in life to get through. If he is going to

freak out so much by not doing the compulsion in public that it makes a scene,

it might be more " normal " to jsut do the compulsion. Then work on it with

exposures in private. Does that help?

[Guest guest]

Wow mario so helpful already call therapist with info thanks

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2012, at 8:26 AM, " Trabulsy, "

wrote:

> Responding to this:

> " He is 11 years old. It definitely happens when he's anxious and in an

" exposure " environment that we're supposed to be in, but I wish I knew how I

should react/intervene (or not). "

>

> This is a mistake I used to make too. Doing exposures in " real life " Real life

exposures are a Late stage of ERP. There are two components- what you do to

treat (CBT/ERP) which should be done as a " time out " of real life- a set up

exposure, not tolerating stuff in real life. Then there is getting through the

day in real life and what you have to do here should not be an exposure until

you have a really good handle on the issue in private. The kid needs to know

that however much they freak out during the exposure, it is fine. It is in

private (ideally) and is time limited.

>

> You can explain to him that what ocd is making him do looks odd and ask if he

can easily control it in public, but if not, I would work on it at home first

and let it be in public. My son used to lick things in public ( to get the spots

off) this included desks at school and his shoes(yuck but i did not DARE play

the germ card as he has never had a germ issue). We just worked on " spots " at

home enough that eventually he stopped licking stuff. But they have to do what

they have to do in public and in life to get through. If he is going to freak

out so much by not doing the compulsion in public that it makes a scene, it

might be more " normal " to jsut do the compulsion. Then work on it with

exposures in private. Does that help?

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you, .  I got a lot out of your reply.

 

Anne

________________________________

To: " " < >

Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 6:26 AM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

Responding to this:

" He is 11 years old. It definitely happens when he's anxious and in an

" exposure " environment that we're supposed to be in, but I wish I knew how I

should react/intervene (or not). "

This is a mistake I used to make too. Doing exposures in " real life " Real life

exposures are a Late stage of ERP. There are two components- what you do to

treat (CBT/ERP) which should be done as a " time out " of real life- a set up

exposure, not tolerating stuff in real life. Then there is getting through the

day in real life and what you have to do here should not be an exposure until

you have a really good handle on the issue in private. The kid needs to know

that however much they freak out during the exposure, it is fine. It is in

private (ideally) and is time limited.

You can explain to him that what ocd is making him do looks odd and ask if he

can easily control it in public, but if not, I would work on it at home first

and let it be in public. My son used to lick things in public ( to get the

spots off) this included desks at school and his shoes(yuck but i did not DARE

play the germ card as he has never had a germ issue). We just worked on " spots "

at home enough that eventually he stopped licking stuff. But they have to do

what they have to do in public and in life to get through. If he is going to

freak out so much by not doing the compulsion in public that it makes a scene,

it might be more " normal " to jsut do the compulsion. Then work on it with

exposures in private. Does that help?

[Guest guest]

Sending hugs of support to your whole family as you help him to get the help he

needs.

(unknown)

Thats what I keep hearing from the group and others, to be prepared to make the

tough love decisions to keep the focus on the treatment which consists of meds

and CBT which is primarily exposure therapy. We are just beginning the journey

and now for the first time practiced tough love. I was a wreck since this is so

not me. But necessary to be the " bad guy " pointing the direction and then

realizing they must make the choice. We must be there to hold out our hand and

hugs or continued ultimatums. God this is tough stuff and my heart goes to

everyone here dealing with this stuff.

Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

[Guest guest]

Still thinking of your family today. Hoping all is going as well today with the

appt you have been waiting to get to-- as is reasonable to hope for.

Understanding it will be a big day for all of you. Please let us know how you

and your wife and son are when you feel up to it.

[Guest guest]

((()))

I know that hole. That emptiness inside, that you just what to fill with food.

But if you eat one, it's not enough. So another. And another. And still the hole

is there. And still you can't fill it. No matter how much peanut butter or

cookies or cashews or hamburgers or ice cream or whatever you pour down your

throat. And no matter how much you purge, it will not purge that feeling of

emptiness.

Putting your intent out there will help. But you have to state it in the

positive.

Your mind is crossing out the " nots " , and understanding that your intent is to

restrict, to purge, to overexercise.

What do you want instead? 

Is your intent to allow yourself to eat what your body needs, to retain it as

long as your body needs to extract its nutritional value, and to exercise in a

way that leaves you feeling comfortable and relaxed? Is your intent to find

other ways to deal with the feelings? 

Sometimes when I start feeling myself getting all tied up in knots, it helps me

to set an intent to find something to smile about at some easily-defined

interval. Like every time I get up from my desk at work. It's amazing how many

little things I can find. One of the advantages of this kind of intent is that

it pulls my focus away from food and exercise--without saying " I will not think

of food and exercise " . 

Maybe you can set your intent to find ways to make you feel good now. Whether

it's listening to music or watching a sunset or doing deep breathing....

Sending you feelings of peace,

>________________________________

>

>To: insideoutweightloss

>Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 10:38 PM

>Subject: (unknown)

>

>

> 

>I am feeling so much anxiety in regards to food right now.  I am afraid

nothing will ever be enough, that if I start eating I may never quit.

 Realistically I am afraid I will eat and purge.  You know you are messed up

with food when you say to yourself if you just eat this healthy portion right

now on Saturday you can eat a jar of peanut butter and purge.  How crazy is

that?  

>

>Anyway I am trying to just let this crawling anxiety be and not act out with

food to numb it away.  I thought maybe just putting my intent out there to not

restrict, not binge, not purge, not over exercise might give me some strength in

this moment.

>

>Sent from my Samsung Epicâ„¢ 4G Touch

>

>

[Guest guest]

Love your advice and it is good to hear.  I can't stand that feeling of a

freight train running through my body, stopping long enough to eat and starting

right back up again.  All the while, an emptiness inside of me or a tension

that screams at me- be it fear, anxiety, longing, anger, sadness...

I wish something would click in me.  I feel the change as a wave- I am learning

but still the water has not washed over me.  I am still eating when I am not

hungry.  It has lessened but sometimes when I feel the hunger (not really

hungry) I just say to he-- with it, I just want to eat.  What do I care, it

never works... all those feelings come out. From a intellectual point of view it

all seems rather silly.

It's funny, when I worked in dialysis as a social worker, I had some patients

who could get kidney transplants if they just lost weight.  They never did.  I

always thought, what the heck, it could save your life, make your life easier-

no 3x/week treatments. Yet they didn't.  But you know, I get it.  I am 300

pounds... have been for 10 years. I am good at maintaining, no? I am just like

those patients I tried to talk to, to advise.  

I will continue to listen to the podcasts and set my intent like you

suggested.... thank you.

________________________________

To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 11:58 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

((()))

I know that hole. That emptiness inside, that you just what to fill with food.

But if you eat one, it's not enough. So another. And another. And still the hole

is there. And still you can't fill it. No matter how much peanut butter or

cookies or cashews or hamburgers or ice cream or whatever you pour down your

throat. And no matter how much you purge, it will not purge that feeling of

emptiness.

Putting your intent out there will help. But you have to state it in the

positive.

Your mind is crossing out the " nots " , and understanding that your intent is to

restrict, to purge, to overexercise.

What do you want instead? 

Is your intent to allow yourself to eat what your body needs, to retain it as

long as your body needs to extract its nutritional value, and to exercise in a

way that leaves you feeling comfortable and relaxed? Is your intent to find

other ways to deal with the feelings? 

Sometimes when I start feeling myself getting all tied up in knots, it helps me

to set an intent to find something to smile about at some easily-defined

interval. Like every time I get up from my desk at work. It's amazing how many

little things I can find. One of the advantages of this kind of intent is that

it pulls my focus away from food and exercise--without saying " I will not think

of food and exercise " . 

Maybe you can set your intent to find ways to make you feel good now. Whether

it's listening to music or watching a sunset or doing deep breathing....

Sending you feelings of peace,

>________________________________

>

>To: insideoutweightloss

>Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 10:38 PM

>Subject: (unknown)

>

>

> 

>I am feeling so much anxiety in regards to food right now.  I am afraid

nothing will ever be enough, that if I start eating I may never quit.

 Realistically I am afraid I will eat and purge.  You know you are messed up

with food when you say to yourself if you just eat this healthy portion right

now on Saturday you can eat a jar of peanut butter and purge.  How crazy is

that?  

>

>Anyway I am trying to just let this crawling anxiety be and not act out with

food to numb it away.  I thought maybe just putting my intent out there to not

restrict, not binge, not purge, not over exercise might give me some strength in

this moment.

>

>Sent from my Samsung Epicâ„¢ 4G Touch

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Please don't expect it to click. You can have breakthroughs, but mostly its

about very gradual change. IF you are saying things have lessened, then this is

fabulous. You may have learnt to deal with one of your triggers, but you may

have others that need resolving. You have spent years building up coping

mechansms around food (speaking for myself anyway), so you've got to knock those

building blocks down - sometimes with a crash and sometimes chipping at them

(not sure if a wall is a good metaphor or not). If you are happy (or happier)

on the journey, then this makes it an enjoyable thing even if things take time

Good luck

Viv

>

> Love your advice and it is good to hear.  I can't stand that feeling of a

freight train running through my body, stopping long enough to eat and starting

right back up again.  All the while, an emptiness inside of me or a tension

that screams at me- be it fear, anxiety, longing, anger, sadness...

>

> I wish something would click in me.  I feel the change as a wave- I am

learning but still the water has not washed over me.  I am still eating when I

am not hungry.  It has lessened but sometimes when I feel the hunger (not

really hungry) I just say to he-- with it, I just want to eat.  What do I care,

it never works... all those feelings come out. From a intellectual point of view

it all seems rather silly.

>

>

> It's funny, when I worked in dialysis as a social worker, I had some patients

who could get kidney transplants if they just lost weight.  They never did.  I

always thought, what the heck, it could save your life, make your life easier-

no 3x/week treatments. Yet they didn't.  But you know, I get it.  I am 300

pounds... have been for 10 years. I am good at maintaining, no? I am just like

those patients I tried to talk to, to advise.  

>

> I will continue to listen to the podcasts and set my intent like you

suggested.... thank you.

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: " insideoutweightloss "

<insideoutweightloss >

> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 11:58 PM

> Subject: Re: (unknown)

>

>

>  

> ((()))

>

> I know that hole. That emptiness inside, that you just what to fill with food.

But if you eat one, it's not enough. So another. And another. And still the hole

is there. And still you can't fill it. No matter how much peanut butter or

cookies or cashews or hamburgers or ice cream or whatever you pour down your

throat. And no matter how much you purge, it will not purge that feeling of

emptiness.

>

> Putting your intent out there will help. But you have to state it in the

positive.

>

> Your mind is crossing out the " nots " , and understanding that your intent is to

restrict, to purge, to overexercise.

>

> What do you want instead? 

>

> Is your intent to allow yourself to eat what your body needs, to retain it as

long as your body needs to extract its nutritional value, and to exercise in a

way that leaves you feeling comfortable and relaxed? Is your intent to find

other ways to deal with the feelings? 

>

> Sometimes when I start feeling myself getting all tied up in knots, it helps

me to set an intent to find something to smile about at some easily-defined

interval. Like every time I get up from my desk at work. It's amazing how many

little things I can find. One of the advantages of this kind of intent is that

it pulls my focus away from food and exercise--without saying " I will not think

of food and exercise " . 

>

> Maybe you can set your intent to find ways to make you feel good now. Whether

it's listening to music or watching a sunset or doing deep breathing....

>

> Sending you feelings of peace,

>

>

> >________________________________

> >

> >To: insideoutweightloss

> >Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 10:38 PM

> >Subject: (unknown)

> >

> >

> > 

> >I am feeling so much anxiety in regards to food right now.  I am afraid

nothing will ever be enough, that if I start eating I may never quit.

 Realistically I am afraid I will eat and purge.  You know you are messed up

with food when you say to yourself if you just eat this healthy portion right

now on Saturday you can eat a jar of peanut butter and purge.  How crazy is

that?  

> >

> >Anyway I am trying to just let this crawling anxiety be and not act out with

food to numb it away.  I thought maybe just putting my intent out there to not

restrict, not binge, not purge, not over exercise might give me some strength in

this moment.

> >

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Lori Ann and ,

 

I so understand the freight train metaphor.  I also know that when I do eat

healthy portions on a regular basis for a long while and my weight is in a

healthy zone, the freight train does not feel so pressing.  But getting to that

zone... at times it feels like the train has not only gained momentum it is

coming at me with 100 more cars attached and across a bridge with no place to

escape and it feels like the only choice is to jump on and go with it even if it

is headed to an unhealthy place I do not want to go.

 

, I appreciate the insight.  Changing up the intent is a very good idea. 

I might say too that it did help posting yesterday I think it created a bit more

of a pause so that I could choose a different track than the one with the

freight train.  In addition, I did a bit of visualization of how I wanted to

feel last night (I had a party and knew there would be a lot of food present and

that it was not food that I would feel comfortable eating) and saw myself eating

a healthy portion and feeling at ease, enjoying the kids and playing games being

entirely present to that experience.  It helped and I got through the night

without purging, binging or restricting. 

 

Today I intend to eat in a way that provides adequate energy to my strong, vital

body.

  Livingston

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To: " insideoutweightloss " <insideoutweightloss >

Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 5:51 AM

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Love your advice and it is good to hear.  I can't stand that feeling of a

freight train running through my body, stopping long enough to eat and starting

right back up again.  All the while, an emptiness inside of me or a tension

that screams at me- be it fear, anxiety, longing, anger, sadness...

I wish something would click in me.  I feel the change as a wave- I am learning

but still the water has not washed over me.  I am still eating when I am not

hungry.  It has lessened but sometimes when I feel the hunger (not really

hungry) I just say to he-- with it, I just want to eat.  What do I care, it

never works... all those feelings come out. From a intellectual point of view it

all seems rather silly.

It's funny, when I worked in dialysis as a social worker, I had some patients

who could get kidney transplants if they just lost weight.  They never did.  I

always thought, what the heck, it could save your life, make your life easier-

no 3x/week treatments. Yet they didn't.  But you know, I get it.  I am 300

pounds... have been for 10 years. I am good at maintaining, no? I am just like

those patients I tried to talk to, to advise.  

I will continue to listen to the podcasts and set my intent like you

suggested.... thank you.

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To: " mailto:insideoutweightloss%40yahoogroups.com "

<mailto:insideoutweightloss%40yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 11:58 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

((()))

I know that hole. That emptiness inside, that you just what to fill with food.

But if you eat one, it's not enough. So another. And another. And still the hole

is there. And still you can't fill it. No matter how much peanut butter or

cookies or cashews or hamburgers or ice cream or whatever you pour down your

throat. And no matter how much you purge, it will not purge that feeling of

emptiness.

Putting your intent out there will help. But you have to state it in the

positive.

Your mind is crossing out the " nots " , and understanding that your intent is to

restrict, to purge, to overexercise.

What do you want instead? 

Is your intent to allow yourself to eat what your body needs, to retain it as

long as your body needs to extract its nutritional value, and to exercise in a

way that leaves you feeling comfortable and relaxed? Is your intent to find

other ways to deal with the feelings? 

Sometimes when I start feeling myself getting all tied up in knots, it helps me

to set an intent to find something to smile about at some easily-defined

interval. Like every time I get up from my desk at work. It's amazing how many

little things I can find. One of the advantages of this kind of intent is that

it pulls my focus away from food and exercise--without saying " I will not think

of food and exercise " . 

Maybe you can set your intent to find ways to make you feel good now. Whether

it's listening to music or watching a sunset or doing deep breathing....

Sending you feelings of peace,

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>To: mailto:insideoutweightloss%40yahoogroups.com

>Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 10:38 PM

>Subject: (unknown)

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>I am feeling so much anxiety in regards to food right now.  I am afraid

nothing will ever be enough, that if I start eating I may never quit.

 Realistically I am afraid I will eat and purge.  You know you are messed up

with food when you say to yourself if you just eat this healthy portion right

now on Saturday you can eat a jar of peanut butter and purge.  How crazy is

that?  

>

>Anyway I am trying to just let this crawling anxiety be and not act out with

food to numb it away.  I thought maybe just putting my intent out there to not

restrict, not binge, not purge, not over exercise might give me some strength in

this moment.

>

>Sent from my Samsung Epicâ„¢ 4G Touch

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