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In a message dated 1/31/99 9:09:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, smott@...

writes:

<< Sometimes it seems that there is no greater injury that one can suffer

than the loss of a pet [unless it's the loss of a child].

They give us unconditional love, most of which we never deserve, and their

eyes are

gateways to their loving hearts. May both your loved ones rest in God's

peace.

Thank you for understanding. You are very kind.

Marleen

>>

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jeand@... writes:

<< It's just real tough when we lose them as they are such a huge part of us.

Hugs to all who have lost their best friends!!

Ann >>

You aren't kidding. Sorry for your loss to. Guess we all needed to get

this off our chests. I feel a little better now. Thanks for letting me tell

you about my beautiful Geisha Girl.

My best to everyone,

Marleen

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Dear Marleen and Alison: I'm so sorry for both of your losses.

Sometimes it seems that there is no greater injury that one can suffer

than the loss of a pet [unless it's the loss of a child]. They give us

unconditional love, most of which we never deserve, and their eyes are

gateways to their loving hearts. May both your loved ones rest in God's

peace.

Lovette

[Guest guest]

I know ... I really know. Our daughter and grandson moved out in Aug.,

after having lived with us for five years. (The grandson was five when they

moved so you can probably tell that he was as much my baby as my grandson.)

And if that wasn't bad enough, five days after they moved, we had to have

our 14 yr. old cock-a-poo Cricket put to sleep. It was the WORST few weeks

of my life. I honestly didn't think I was going to get through it. But, I

did.

I still think about Cricket a lot and I always smile when I remember her

because she was such a little sweetheart. But I sure do miss her. We have

her 12 yr. old buddy still, a cocker named Ginger. I doubt that we'll have

her much longer as she is getting REAL slow now and she is deaf. But she's

still right beside me, no matter where in the house I am.

It's just real tough when we lose them as they are such a huge part of us.

Hugs to all who have lost their best friends!!

Ann

[Guest guest]

, am so sorry to hear about your day and your pet. We also lost our

beloved dog this spring, I can honestly say that I havelost many people in my

life who ment much less to me than Zeus. I can also empathize with you on the

look OK comment. I have to admit, that I just found myself doing that with a

woman I just met who has chronic lyme. I felt like beating myself after I

realized that I was thinking that for I basically know what she was feeling,

and still expected her to look awful because of the chronic lyme. Well,

here's to better days. Keep your chin up and know that you have a lot of

people who care about you right here.

Hugs

Amy

[Guest guest]

Lovette, thank you so much for your kind words and for understanding!

So many people think I am stupid with my dog(s) but Carl and I were

newlyweds when I became sick and because of the medication I was on

(opioids) at the time, the doctor strongly suggested I give up on the baby

thing. I was taking Clomid when I first became ill and was devastated that I

waited so long to get married because all I ever wanted was to be a

mother....Carl got me Abby for my birthday, to ease the pain, and maybe I

was a little stupid with her but she filled such a void...and when I lost

her, it couldn't have hurt more. She wasn't just a " dog " to me, she was the

creature I lavished all my love on. And since my new personality seems to

repell so many people, she played a VERY vital role in my life!

Anyway, these days nobody really understands anything about me and who I

have become...all anyone ever says to me is " you look OK... " when I have

gained like 100 lbs and don't even bother with lipstick, let alone the full

makeup I used to wear...I have perpetual circles under my eyes and a

terrible skin condition...and a full head of gray hair and the only thing

these people could possibly mean when they say " you look OK " is " you don't

look all that sick to me " because I sure as hell don't look OK!!!! So...how

could I possibly expect them to understand that I lost so much more than a

pet????

Please forgive this letter. I had an especially horrible day and have been

crying since 10:00 this morning.....at least I know my friends here will

understand!!!!!

Hugs,

Alison

" F. Mott " wrote:

> From: " F. Mott " <smott@...>

>

> Dear Marleen and Alison: I'm so sorry for both of your losses.

> Sometimes it seems that there is no greater injury that one can suffer

> than the loss of a pet [unless it's the loss of a child]. They give us

> unconditional love, most of which we never deserve, and their eyes are

> gateways to their loving hearts. May both your loved ones rest in God's

> peace.

>

> Lovette

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

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Alison,

I'm really sorry you were having such an awful

day. May I make a suggestion? " bother " to put on

the lipstick, or even a little more makeup. Have

your hair done. Just try to do everything you can

to make yourself look better. I know it sounds

kind of silly, but it really does help. I have

just gone out and bought a couple of new outfits,

after spending months trying to stuff myself into

clothes that fit 20 pounds ago but sure didn't fit

anymore. I just feel so much better. It is

depressing enough to be sick and tired -- why

should we look like crap on top of it? Just having

a couple of people compliment me on my looks made

my day. Everything was on sale and I didn't have

to spend much -- if I'd had the time I'd have

probably gone to the consignment shop and really

felt virtuous.

A friend of mine just lost both her parents within

4 months, very suddenly. She has been terribly

depressed and barely functional. The last thing on

her mind was her appearance, and it showed. Her

shrink " ordered " her to start dressing better and

taking 5 minutes to put on makeup in the morning.

She thought it was ridiculous but has gone along

with it, and she told me it has really helped her

to feel at least semi-normal.

I have read your other postings and your story on

the web and I know you've been through the mill --

I am not trying to minimize that at all. But

sometimes it's the goofiest things that can make

us feel a little better.

Alison E Schettini wrote:

> <snipped>

> Anyway, these days nobody really understands

> anything about me and who I have become...all

> anyone ever says to me is " you look OK... " when

> I have gained like 100 lbs and don't even bother

> with lipstick, let alone the full makeup I used

> to wear...I have perpetual circles under my eyes

> and a terrible skin condition...and a full head

> of gray hair and the only thing these people

> could possibly mean when they say " you look OK "

> is " you don't look all that sick to me " because

> I sure as hell don't look OK!!!! So...how could

> I possibly expect them to understand that I lost

> so much more than a pet????

> Please forgive this letter. I had an especially

> horrible day and have been crying since 10:00

> this morning.....at least I know my friends here

> will understand!!!!!

> Hugs,

> Alison

>

> " F. Mott " wrote:

>

>> From: " F. Mott " <smott@...>

>>

>> Dear Marleen and Alison: I'm so sorry for

>> both of your losses.

>> Sometimes it seems that there is no greater

>> injury that one can suffer

>> than the loss of a pet [unless it's the loss

>> of a child]. They give us

>> unconditional love, most of which we never

>> deserve, and their eyes are

>> gateways to their loving hearts. May both

>> your loved ones rest in God's

>> peace.

>>

>> Lovette

>>

>> -------

>> ----------------------------------------------------------------

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Amy...thanks. The tears started up again as I was reading your

letter...but I don't think these will last for another 12 hours!<G> I

don't know what I would do without the support from people who really

understand!

And as for this pet thing.....All I can say is it takes one to know one.

Anyone who never suffered the profound loss of a pet never had the

unconditional love that comes with the package and as heartbreaking as

the loss is....I can't imagine a life that never knew that depth of

love! I/m really sorry about Zeus!

Sweet dreams!

Alison

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you are so right!!!! I remember a few years ago, when wigs and

professional makeovers were practically part of cancer/chemo care....

For a while, back in the earlier part of the winter, I vowed to make the

effort....I went out and bought mascara and wore it....and at least then

when people said " wow, you look good " I didn't resent it! I don't know

what happened to that vow! I guess i just got bogged down in this whole

financial crisis we are having and all the problems I am having from my

job...I really need to make the effort again and if I actually make it

out of bed tomorrow<G> I am going to take the time to blow out my hair

and put on some makeup!!!! That's a promise! Of course if I get up I am

going to have to face the day and after today I am not sure I am up to

it...but I promise I am going to try!!!

Sweet dreams!

Alison

--

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alison7@... writes:

<< I contacted the rescue Society right before I left for Florida and the

woman who runs the Husky Rescue wrote back and said she has a Special

Needs one looking for a home and a 4 year old male....I am trying to

convince Carl to let me have them both >>

Dear Alison,

This post just brought a big smile to my face. Oh, I hope you can persuade

Carl to give a home to a needy rescue. If you do get a rescue (and it sounds

like you'll at least get one) you are in for the TREAT of your life!

Most of my animals are " ADULT rescues " and believe me when an animal has had

a hard time finding love, food and water (and if their lucky) ends up in a

cage at a shelter, they (in most cases, not all of course because some have

been destroyed by horrible humans) but generally they are ready willing and

able to give you 150% of the love they have inside them.

I have this little collie girl, Sweetie, that I rescued and she " looks at me "

entirely different then the others who have never had a bad day in their life

because I've had them since they were babies.

Last year I rescued an adult 4 year old German Shepherd from Camden. I

couldn't keep her because of financial problems but Babe was lucky enough to

find a home with our very own Marta's cousin. I sometimes get " Babe Reports "

along with pictures.

Here this pitiful creature who looked like a concentration victim now lives

and loves in a new home. I have pictures of her asleep on the sofa. She has a

new kid and a new Mom. I'm sure Marta can tell you how happy her cousin Diane

is with an adult rescue. And I'm sure Marta can tell you how sad and how long

I cried when Babe left but it was worth being her " foster Mom " because I know

she has a better life with Diane. Heard she also get to eat steak. Jerry

doesn't eat steak to often! <g>

If anyone has a love for animals, and an empty hole in your heart, may I

suggest adopting or being a parent to an older animals from the rescue

organizations. They have them for almost every breed. The good thing about

rescue organizations is they've spent time with the dogs and have watched

their temperament. They will tell you whether this animal is suited for small

children and cats. They will also not place an animal who

is dangerous.

Hope this helps someone who doesn't know that Adult animals (and that

includes adult cats) can be brought into an established home and generally fit

in. And who ever they bond to will receive such devotion and adoration that

you'll wonder why you didn't do this before.

Good luck!

Marleen

[Guest guest]

Marleen, getting a rescue dog is such a good idea. We just rescued a Doberman

from the Doberman rescue league in Lebanon, NH. She is the greatest addition

to our family. She came from a family that got divorced, in which they also

divorced the dog. We got her with in 2 weeks of loosing Zeus, and to tell you

the truth she helped us heal so quickly. My two little boys were lost without

their dog, and if you could see Madison our new one you would think we had

raised her. Not only is she a good family dog, but a good shop dog. I own a

beauty shop which is in our yard and she has become a big part of the shop,

customers find her to be the most loving dog they have ever met. I have

probably 2 out of 500 hundred customers who are now still afraid of the big

bad Dobb's.

Take Care

Amy

[Guest guest]

Dear Alison: Hugs to you!! I hope that by the time this e-mail gets to

you that your day will brighten, and that the tears will turn to

sparkles in the sunshine. Blessings to you, friend.

Lovette

[Guest guest]

hi alison my name is sue and i know how u feel about your dog. i have

two cats and they are my babies if it wasnt for them i would have lost

my mine a long time ago with this disase they keep me company and i can

talk to them about things i cant talk to any one else. at least they

dont repeat what i tell them LOL. My childern are grown and they are

kinda like my childern now. alot of people just dont understand how

someone gets so attached to pets but it can happen. sue

Alison E Schettini wrote:

> Lovette, thank you so much for your kind words and for understanding!

> So many people think I am stupid with my dog(s) but Carl and I were

> newlyweds when I became sick and because of the medication I was on

> (opioids) at the time, the doctor strongly suggested I give up on the

> baby thing. I was taking Clomid when I first became ill and was

> devastated that I waited so long to get married because all I ever

> wanted was to be a mother....Carl got me Abby for my birthday, to ease

> the pain, and maybe I was a little stupid with her but she filled such

> a void...and when I lost her, it couldn't have hurt more. She wasn't

> just a " dog " to me, she was the creature I lavished all my love on.

> And since my new personality seems to repell so many people, she

> played a VERY vital role in my life!

> Anyway, these days nobody really understands anything about me and who

> I have become...all anyone ever says to me is " you look OK... " when I

> have gained like 100 lbs and don't even bother with lipstick, let

> alone the full makeup I used to wear...I have perpetual circles under

> my eyes and a terrible skin condition...and a full head of gray hair

> and the only thing these people could possibly mean when they say " you

> look OK " is " you don't look all that sick to me " because I sure as

> hell don't look OK!!!! So...how could I possibly expect them to

> understand that I lost so much more than a pet????

> Please forgive this letter. I had an especially horrible day and have

> been crying since 10:00 this morning.....at least I know my friends

> here will understand!!!!!

> Hugs,

> Alison

>

> " F. Mott " wrote:

>

>> From: " F. Mott " <smott@...>

>>

>> Dear Marleen and Alison: I'm so sorry for both of your losses.

>> Sometimes it seems that there is no greater injury that one can

>> suffer

>> than the loss of a pet [unless it's the loss of a child]. They give

>> us

>> unconditional love, most of which we never deserve, and their eyes

>> are

>> gateways to their loving hearts. May both your loved ones rest in

>> God's

>> peace.

>>

>> Lovette

>>

>> -------

>> ----------------------------------------------------------------

>>

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A1M1BISHOP@... writes:

<< Marleen, getting a rescue dog is such a good idea. We just rescued a

Doberman from the Doberman rescue league in Lebanon, NH. She is the greatest

addition to our family. She came from a family that got divorced, in which

they also

divorced the dog. >>

Hi Amy,

I'm so happy for you and you made an excellent point! These adult animals

end up losing their homes for absolutely no fault of their own.

People think (I'm afraid) that animals end up in shelters because they

have become a problem dog. But as you saw, they just became a problem

to the owner. Inconvenient and no worth the trouble.

Some people throw animals away like used tissues! Gee I've got to go. My cat

who is a diabetic has to go for a check up at the University

of Penn. I haven't been there since Geisha died there.

See you all,

Marleen

[Guest guest]

You know, Sue, its too bad we can't have our pets declared " companion

animals " so they can accompany us everywhere!<G> I have a friend in AR

who has a companion dog. he retrieves packages for her and lets her use

his back to lean her foot on when she puts on her braces....and he goes

literally everywhere she goes! In fact, this busdriver tried to get them

kicked off because Jeff, (her dog) has a " licking " problem-he was

licking the busdriver's hand while my friend was digging for change to

pay her fare! The busdriver lost, but now Jeff is not allowed to lick

anyone while he has his blue " working " vest on. I was just amazed to see

the two of them in action and to see what a difference this sweet

creature has made in her life!

A

--

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your note, Lovette.

Truthfully..........

I had to go to a shrink for my insurance company and that mad told me I

needed shock treatments!

That didnt do too much for my moods, especially because I think he is CRAZY.

I just hope he doesn't tell this to my ins company!

Then, my husband's aunt died unexpectedly. She has no kids and left behind

several cats. This started a whole big furor. This is the second aunt he

lost in 3 weeks and the whole family is blown away...so my spirits haven't

had a chance to lift yet but I have to say your letter helped!!!!!

Hugs back,

Alison

http://members.aol.com/penny2849/thousand.html

" F. Mott " wrote:

> From: " F. Mott " <smott@...>

>

> Dear Alison: Hugs to you!! I hope that by the time this e-mail gets to

> you that your day will brighten, and that the tears will turn to

> sparkles in the sunshine. Blessings to you, friend.

>

> Lovette

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Tempi was a " rescue " dog, Marleen, that's how we knew who to go to! I

never had a dog quite like her and we made a pact never to get a dog any

other way (except, of course, from a shelter) The woman who rescued

Tempi usually rescues border collies and when she found my girl she was

in a really bad way...but this incredible woman nursed her back to good

health and then contacted her friend who happens to do the Husky

rescues. She interviewed us for 2 weeks and then agreed to give Tempi to

us " conditionally " -based on how gruff my husband was. Carl of course is

a total pussycat so once they met the deal was cemented but I was

touched by the level of involvement the rescue people exhibit. Carl has

agreed to meet the two males as soon as we get back. We are leaving on

thursday and will be back on the 21st...we will all go to Hartford and

then hopefully, I will have at least one new member to my family.

truthfully it is the only thing I am truly looking forward to these

days!

You have the luckiest dohgs on this earth. I would be remiss if I didn't

say that.

Hugs,

Alison

--

[Guest guest]

janemacross@... wrote:

> OK how do you all go with your cats & dogs & vaccinations?

I have stopped vaccinating my dogs, except for rabies which is every three

years. I used

to be the good pet owner and take them every year (expensive when you have 3

dogs and a

cat, as I did at one time!) Our first dog and our cat, fully vaccinated all

their lives,

died young, at 9 and 11, the dog of kidney failure, the cat of unknown illness.

Why?

Well their diets were not always the most expensive brands, but I wonder if all

those

vaccines contributed to their deaths.

Our oldest dog is 14 years old, our other dog is 3. Neither has been vaccinated

for about

the last 2 years. Except rabies. The older dog will never be vaccinated again.

The only

way I would do the younger, is if I had to, to get him into an obediance class

(Which he

desperately needs). As for future dogs, I may get the puppy series, but that's

it. I am

still undecided. Usually they have had some shots by the time they are sold

anyway, hard

to avoid that.

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I VACCINate my dogs for rabies in the event that they bite someone who comes

to visit. so they aren't quarantined. i am using homeopathics for med. my

dogs never got more than rabies all the years. i guess i did not know any

better. they died old.

pets

>From: <janemacross@...>

>

>OK how do you all go with your cats & dogs & vaccinations?

>Vaccinations aren't just for kids -- they can harm anyone & any

reature -- people going overseas, elderly folk, the creatures...........

>Any comments?

>Jane

>xx

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Forgive me, because I'm a little behind on getting through all this mail -- -

but I never even thought about vaccines for pets?

My husband wants to get a puppy so badly - - sometime in the next few months.

Don't vaccinate??????????????

Any problems with pets, not vaccinating, and kids?????????? or with

vaccinating and kids?????????????

Thanks -

Joan

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In a message dated 6/7/99 8:16:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Jefkarp@...

writes:

<< Forgive me, because I'm a little behind on getting through all this mail

-- -

but I never even thought about vaccines for pets?

My husband wants to get a puppy so badly - - sometime in the next few

months.

Don't vaccinate?????????????? >>

I live in South Florida and in our Sunday newspaper - in the Sunday magazine

supplement which is called " Sunshine " here - there was a cover story article

on animal owners turning to alternative medicine. It talked about

everything from massages and herbal remedies to aroma therapy and

acupuncture, and also touched on the vaccination issue. I think this is a

national Sunday magazine supplement (?). At the very least, you might be

able to tap into it by going to www.sun-sentinel.com. If you didn't see it,

it's worth a try. I don't have a scanner, otherwise I would gladly scan it

for you guys.

We don't have animals right now (first time in my life!), but I am saving the

magazine for future reference when we do. Lucky for me, it listed quite a

few local alternative animal " doctors " .

Cathi

[Guest guest]

Geri,

I saw a tv documentary about wolves. It was interesting how they cared for

one another. Also saw a true story on tv about a man who was very kind to

his cows. One day he was being attacked by a bull in their pasture. The

cows all crowed around the man to prevent the bull for doing any further

damage.

J

PS I have no words to express regarding the sad story about your brother.

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>You have a very maternal beagle! She sounds like a sweetheart. Lately

>I've been sleeping very heavily and it's hard for my head to clear when I

>first wake up. Since this drugged type sleep has started, I've noticed

>that Schuyler will either touch my nose with his until I respond, or if I

>wake up and he's not in the room, he runs in and jumps on the bed at the

>first sound of movement. It's almost as though he's worried about why I'm

>lying so still.

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>I definitely believe that they are hyper-sensitive to illness in their

>human " partners " . Also they are very sensitive to mood. Dogs are almost

>more obviously responsive to people, but it's surprised me to observe how

>cats show similar sensitivities.

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>We have a lot to learn about all forms of life, don't we?

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[Guest guest]

,

Animals do some amazing things. It's hard not to believe that they feel

some form of compassion. Of course, I'm convinced they do, but our culture

has decided that they are a lower form of life and incapable of emotions of

a higher level. Anyone who has lived with and loved animals knows better.

Take care,

Geri

[Guest guest]

Ling your pup is beautiful. I think if I would ever get a small dog I would get one of those. I am a big dog person myself. I have a half German shepherd/half Norwegian elkhound. He is such a baby he even tries to be a lap dog. (all 50 lbs. of him) He is being trained as a service dog and we have gotten him to the point where he will pick up things off the floor on command and hand them to us. We still have a long way to go but he is only a year and a half old.

Hugs to all

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Hi Jan and all,

<<Ling your pup is beautiful. I think if I would ever get a small dog I would get one of those. I am a big dog person myself. I have a half German shepherd/half Norwegian elkhound. He is such a baby he even tries to be a lap dog. (all 50 lbs. of him) He is being trained as a service dog and we have gotten him to the point where he will pick up things off the floor on command and hand them to us. We still have a long way to go but he is only a year and a half old. >>

My dog is slightly more than 1.5 year old. We just find the way she walks so cute! She seems to give that catwalk, shaking her BUTT as she walks. [Aisha? hehe]

I have read about service dogs, but I have not been in contact in them. What other things are you planning to train the dog to do? My dog only loves to play fetch. We can only keep one dog and a small one here as we live in an apartment.

Better stop here, I can go on and on about dogs...

Ling