Weight

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

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" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

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November 2, 2004

OK, I'll keep it brief since would rather read about 's butt.

Besides, with work, taking Mokie to the vet, and researching ways to deal

with her possible mast cell tumor, I haven't had nearly as much time to

spend writing posts today as you have, so don't expect a treatise ;-)

> RE: weight

>

>But my point was that what you saw as bad I saw as good. And when I said

>so *you* still thought it was bad, half joking or no. And of course I

>still think its good <g>

Well, I think you're putting more into my reaction as to what I saw in the

mirror than actually happened. For some odd reason my butt looked not only

extra extended but also *pointy* at that moment. It freaked me out for a

moment there. But as you can clearly see, I *like* extended butts. Otherwise

I wouldn't have spent a week and a half doing squats every day in order to

beat 's butt! But like I said, I still think mine won the

" extended_in_relation_to_body_size " competition at the conference. <g>

>

><snip>

>

>> >Are you suggesting that men's image and attitude about

>> >their body is the same, in general, as women?

>> >Hmmmm...well we will just have to agree to disagree on

>> >that one.

>>

>> Nope. I'm suggesting that a lot of men are sensitive about their

>body image

>> too. IIRC, I read figures not long ago showing that men are

>getting cosmetic

>> surgery in record numbers these days. Aside from that, I have

>some personal

>> experience that would suggest that some men are quite body image

>conscious.

>

>Sensitive? Concerned? Conscious? Sure. But my point was that in general

>men and women react differently to negative comments about their body,

>which is quite different from the point you are making above.

Ah, OK. Well, since I'm not in the habit of making negative comments about

men's bodies, I really have NO idea how they'd react.

>> When I said *all* women are not like that, I was responding to your

>> statement: " That is why, IMO, it doesn't pay to engage a woman bout her

>> figure (slim, slender or what have you), no matter how many

>times she asks

>> your opinion. " IMO, when you make an absolute statement without

>any shades

>> of gray like " most " or " many woman " or " most woman in my

>experience " then it

>> suggests, to me at least, that you mean ALL. So yes, that's how

>I took it.

>

>I didn't make an absolute statement about all women, I made a statement

>about all the women _I Have Known_ .

Then it was a misunderstanding, because the way you worded it seemed to me

that you were making a blanket statement the same as I did in the organic

thread when I said organic farms are not sustainable, which was a mistake.

When Katja called me on it I corrected myself and made it clear that not ALL

organic farms are unsustainable, which is how Katja understood what I said.

The only time you mentioned you were referring to your own experience was

the last line

" ...from my limited

experience, and god forbid, unless you enjoy

involuntary fasting, don't EVER say anything negative. "

This made me think you were only refering to your limited experience when

you said don't EVER say anything negative about a woman's figure. NOT when

you said earlier in the para

" That is why, IMO, it doesn't pay to engage a woman

about her figure (slim, slender or what have you), no

matter how many times she asks your opinion.She is

going to see what *she* wants to see, no matter what

her male friends might say. "

There was a " .... " preceding the last sentence, which is often used to

express a different but related concept, so I thought it was a separat

sentence. I didn't know you were modifying the entire para with " from my

limited experience. " I think it was ambiguous, so could be understood in

more than one way. I apparently did not understand it the way you intended

it. My bad :-(

>

>> >If had to bet money on the general tendency in terms

>> >of body image, I wouldn't put money on your view, but

>> >that is just me.

>>

>> The only view I expressed in that email was that not ALL women were like

>> that and that men are often sensitive about body image as well

>(but not ALL

>> of either gender). I'm not sure which part(s) you wouldn't put

>money on, but

>> I stick by it. I suspect you were extrapolating from that, or

>misunderstood

>> my comments and *that's* what you wouldn't put your money on. I could be

>> wrong.

>

>Yes. You were expressing a view about two things I never said.

>

>1.) That all women were a certain way.

Well, as you can see, I *thought* you were expressing that view, thus I

responded to it.

>

>2.) That men weren't concerned about their bodies.

Right, but if the incorrect understanding I had of the above para were

indeed what you intended to say, then my response would've been appropriate,

because, IMO, when you suggest that one gender is such and such a way, carte

blanch, it *generally* implies that this trait, behavior or what have you,

is unique to that gender. Ie; " girls are sensitive " , " boys are tough " etc.

Anyway, that's the way I think these statements are generally made to my

understanding, but I could be wrong.

>

>Personally, I've found the pressure to

>> have a perfect body rather extreme - at least, when I'm tuned in to

>> mainstream culture.

>

>Where might this pressure be coming from? The media?

I'm sure that's a big part of it.

>

>>A lot less so when I hang out with counterculture types.

>> Just my personal experience.

>

>I would be curious to know who you describe as " counterculture types "

Not anyone you know, except perhaps some of the folks in my chapter whom you

met. I was thinking more of some family friends and some folks I used to

hang out with in college.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

----------------------------

November 2, 2004

> Re: weight

>

>How about " fabulous " ?

>

>;-)

>an admirer from CA

Awww shucks, *blushing* thanks :-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

“The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times.” --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

----------------------------

>

November 2, 2004

Actually, I've enjoyed being the butt of butt jokes ;-)

(top posting on top of top posting on top of top posting. Whee! as Katja's

fond of saying. <g>)

>It was amusing, except to Suze

>

>--- Steph <flybabysteph@...> wrote:

>

>> Actually, I've found it quite amusing. :-D

>> Steph

>>

>> " OK, we need to stop discussing my butt! I can just

>> hear the groaning from

>> listers who could care less about a butt contest and

>> what any of our butts

>> look like. Suze "

>>

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics