Weight

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> -----Original Message-----

> From: Suze Fisher [mailto:s.fisher22@...]

>

> I don't know if it's a regional thing, but if you bust open

> the personal ads in my area the majority of the men's ads

> that mention anything about figure say they are looking for a

> " slim " or " slender " woman. Some men out there clearly go for

> the media image.

High obesity rates have led to a sort of verbal inflation in description of

body types. To me, words like " slim " and " slender " have positive

connotations, and basically mean not fat. I would use the word " skinny " to

describe someone unattractively underweight, and describing a woman as

having " meat on her bones " strikes me as both euphemistic and inaccurate.

There are some men who prefer underweight women, and there are also some men

who prefer obese women. Or bald women. There are people in this world with

all kinds of bizarre tastes, but they're not the norm.

That said, the Jello analogy really doesn't work for me. And who's ?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/31/04 8:55:09 AM Eastern Standard Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> . "

>

> Well, from my perspective the guy who is just trying to avoid obese women

> and writes that he's looking for " slender " or " slim " woman is stupid. Why?

> Because I would never reply to an add requesting a " slender " or " slim "

> woman, a) because I'm NOT slender or slim, I'm just average weight, and I

> wouldn't be interested in a guy with that criteria in the first place. What

> if I gained a few pounds? Would he drop me? It's possible that I'm the only

> woman of average weight that feels that way, but I doubt it. So, these guys

> are probably drastically cutting down their field of eligible respondents

> (assuming they are not truly looking for " slender " or " slim " women as you

> and have suggested) including all the average weight woman who know

> they don't fit into the " slender " or " slim " category, so don't bother

> responding to such ads.

____

~~~~> Well first of all, you'd have to put on a lot more than " a few pounds "

to become obese. But anyway, you're probably right that they aren't taking

into account the intimidation factor (am I slim enough?) and whatnot.

Personally, if I were to do one of those, I'd probably put for body type

" athletic " or

something like that if I cared about it, or more likely I'd allow for anywhere

from slim to average, and would put in the description that I wanted someone

who is physically fit and active.

I would categorize you as " slim " anyway-- so maybe different people have

different scopes of what " slim " includes. I guess that would be a reason to

avoid

using the term.

Chris

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In a message dated 10/31/04 10:33:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> Maybe next year we should re-word the rules so that every participant's

> butt

> is measured in proportion to their height and weight? And maybe do a

> " jello-ness " contest? I can just see a chorus line of women up on the stage

> shaking their WAP-endowed booties at a cheering crowd...

>

> And of course, we need a separate category for males so won't feel

> left out ;-)

____

~~~~> Yeah, you can call that category " the judge. " Trust me I will need to

see some instant replays.

Chris

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> Re: weight

>

>

>

>In a message dated 10/28/04 10:24:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>s.fisher22@... writes:

>

>> I don't know if it's a regional thing, but if you bust open the

>personal ads

>> in my area the majority of the men's ads that mention anything

>about figure

>> say they are looking for a " slim " or " slender " woman. Some men out there

>> clearly go for the media image.

>____

>

>~~~~~> Personal ads are short in space, so who knows what they

>mean? I would

>describe the body type I find most attractive as " slim " and " slender " as

>well, but I would object to " skinny. " There's a LOT of overweight

>people out

>there, and the chances of getting a fat person in a personal ad

>are probably much

>greater than getting a girl who's too skinny (even if most models

>are, most

>models are taken out of a *tiny* fraction of the population!), so it would

>probably mean erring on the side of safety to say in those few

>words that you want

>a " slender " woman than you want " a woman who isn't too skinny. "

Well, from my perspective the guy who is just trying to avoid obese women

and writes that he's looking for " slender " or " slim " woman is stupid. Why?

Because I would never reply to an add requesting a " slender " or " slim "

woman, a) because I'm NOT slender or slim, I'm just average weight, and I

wouldn't be interested in a guy with that criteria in the first place. What

if I gained a few pounds? Would he drop me? It's possible that I'm the only

woman of average weight that feels that way, but I doubt it. So, these guys

are probably drastically cutting down their field of eligible respondents

(assuming they are not truly looking for " slender " or " slim " women as you

and have suggested) including all the average weight woman who know

they don't fit into the " slender " or " slim " category, so don't bother

responding to such ads.

If they don't want an obese woman, they could say something like " med or

slim " or some such thing to indicate that average-weight woman are also

sought. It doesn't take up much space and would include ALL the body types

they're interested in, IF you guys are right that they are not really after

slim women only.

JMO.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

>Chris

>

>____

>

> " What can one say of a soul, of a heart, filled with compassion? It is a

>heart which burns with love for every creature: for human beings,

>birds, and

>animals, for serpents and for demons. The thought of them and the

>sight of them

>make the tears of the saint flow. And this immense and intense

>compassion,

>which flows from the heart of the saints, makes them unable to

>bear the sight of

>the smallest, most insignificant wound in any creature. Thus they pray

>ceaselessly, with tears, even for animals, for enemies of the

>truth, and for those

>who do them wrong. "

>

>--Saint Isaac the Syrian

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 01:57 AM 10/31/04 EDT, you wrote:

>~~~~> Sorry, that was an in-comment. She's on another list, and some of us

>had a joke going on about comparing butt sizes, only she thought her butt

was

>too fat, and then Suze jumped in (on this list, iirc) to say she was

trying to

>make her butt bigger to beat 's, before the WAPF conference, etc, etc.

Yeah, but neither one of them had the biggest butt.

MFJ

I wanna live! I wanna explore the Universe! And I wanna eat pie!

~Urgo

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In a message dated 10/31/04 2:13:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,

mfjewett@... writes:

> >>However, I still think I had the most vertically

> >>extending butt in_proportion_to_my_size.

> >

> >Oh brother! I meant *horizontally* extending butt. LOL!

>

>

> Oh, see, I thought you were just referring to muscle tone or something.

_____

~~~~> I thought she meant she wore a hat to cover up her hiney.

Chris

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> Re: weight

>

>

>

>At 01:57 AM 10/31/04 EDT, you wrote:

>>~~~~> Sorry, that was an in-comment. She's on another list, and

>some of us

>>had a joke going on about comparing butt sizes, only she thought her butt

>was

>>too fat, and then Suze jumped in (on this list, iirc) to say she was

>trying to

>>make her butt bigger to beat 's, before the WAPF conference,

>etc, etc.

>

>

>Yeah, but neither one of them had the biggest butt.

LOL! True, BUT, I'm a smaller woman than either of you so the odds were

stacked against me. However, I still think I had the most vertically

extending butt in_proportion_to_my_size.

Maybe next year we should re-word the rules so that every participant's butt

is measured in proportion to their height and weight? And maybe do a

" jello-ness " contest? I can just see a chorus line of women up on the stage

shaking their WAP-endowed booties at a cheering crowd...

And of course, we need a separate category for males so won't feel

left out ;-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

This happened to me, too. I'm right at the upper end of

" normal weight, " and I didn't want my weight creeping up,

and I didn't want to be obsessively watching it, or

dieting.

The answer for me seems to be " Warrior " style

eating. During the day I eat very little, just fresh fruits

and veggies and fresh juices. In the evening I have a

warm meal with all the good fats, and even dessert if

I want. My appetite has adapted so that I don't feel

hungry during the day, but I have a great appetite for

my evening dinner.

My theory is that our bodies give us hunger signals when

they think it's " time " to eat. If we eat three times a day,

we'll feel hungry three times a day, when in fact we may

not need that much food, especially rich, real food!

I think I was programmed to eat frequently because of

years of low-fat, high-carb eating. When I switched to

richer foods on the same schedule, I took in too many

calories. I think one meal a day is just right for me on

these foods.

I like the freedom from thinking about food all day.

I still prepare food for my daughter, but that's easy.

Also, I'm not strict or obsessive about this at all; it's just

a habit now. If I go out with people for breakfast or

lunch, I'll eat something, but not very much.

My weight is now creeping down slowly, instead of up.

Also, it's done wonders for my mood and energy!

Aven

>

> The concern I want to bring up is that I have gained 8 pounds since I

> began eating like this. I was always a real food person (butter not

> margerine, cream or whole milk not fake dairy) but our intake of

> meat, eggs, dairy and fats has gone up. I drink kefir every morning

> (made with whole milk) now, where I had stopped drinking milk 15

> years ago, eat more nut butters, etc. I wasn't skinny and in need of

> more weight, although not overweight either. I'm 37 and concerned

> that the scale will keep inching up as I get older. I have never been

> a dieter and don't want to become one, nor do I want to be someone

> obsessed with my weight.

>

> I started running 2 weeks ago partially for this very reason and I'm

> as active as I can be with 2 young kids, but that hasn't seemed to

> have an effect.

>

> What is ya'll's experience with weight gain with this eating style?

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Re: weight

> However, I still think I had the most vertically

>extending butt in_proportion_to_my_size.

Oh brother! I meant *horizontally* extending butt. LOL!

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

[Guest guest]

> Re: weight

>

>

>I would categorize you as " slim " anyway-- so maybe different people have

>different scopes of what " slim " includes.

I think that's a reasonable assumption.

I've put on 5 lbs. since the conference so I'm definitely NOT " slim " now.

Although I'll probably become slim in the upcoming weeks since I'm starting

a water fast tomorrow (for *health* reasons, not appearance).

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

[Guest guest]

At 10:34 AM 10/31/04 -0500, you wrote:

>>Yeah, but neither one of them had the biggest butt.

>

>LOL! True, BUT, I'm a smaller woman than either of you so the odds were

>stacked against me.

Bwahahahaha! Yeah, no way you can win a big butt contest when you're

half my size.

MFJ

I wanna live! I wanna explore the Universe! And I wanna eat pie!

~Urgo

[Guest guest]

At 01:46 PM 10/31/04 -0500, you wrote:

>> However, I still think I had the most vertically

>>extending butt in_proportion_to_my_size.

>

>Oh brother! I meant *horizontally* extending butt. LOL!

Oh, see, I thought you were just referring to muscle tone or something.

*runs off laughing hysterically, unable to resist*

MFJ

I wanna live! I wanna explore the Universe! And I wanna eat pie!

~Urgo

[Guest guest]

At 02:45 PM 10/31/04 EST, you wrote:

>

>~~~~> I thought she meant she wore a hat to cover up her hiney.

>

>Chris

Didn't work. I missed the hat.

MFJ

I wanna live! I wanna explore the Universe! And I wanna eat pie!

~Urgo

[Guest guest]

At 02:48 PM 10/31/04 -0800, you wrote:

>> Wow, fairly decent job on the suckup there.

>

>Me? Suck up to Suze? Why on earth would I do something

>like that???

Well, I wouldn't know. To me, however, she seems rather ... formidable.

:-p

>

>> Actually, I was referring to the accent. Although

>> dropping a chicken

>> once in a while might count too.

>

>Ah, I see you are familiar with her bio.

Vaguely, yes. Although I believe she also has been described as

formidable.

MFJ

I wanna live! I wanna explore the Universe! And I wanna eat pie!

~Urgo

[Guest guest]

> RE: weight

>

>

>

>At 02:48 PM 10/31/04 -0800, you wrote:

>>> Wow, fairly decent job on the suckup there.

>>

>>Me? Suck up to Suze? Why on earth would I do something

>>like that???

>

>Well, I wouldn't know. To me, however, she seems rather ... formidable.

> :-p

>

Oh great. Before the conference you said I was " feisty " and now I'm

" formidable. " LOL! The two " f " words. Is that it? Or have you got a third

" f " word to round out my personality? <weg>

>>

>>> Actually, I was referring to the accent. Although

>>> dropping a chicken

>>> once in a while might count too.

I think I can do the accent 10 times better than I can do the cooking.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

> RE: weight

>

>

>

>At 01:46 PM 10/31/04 -0500, you wrote:

>>> However, I still think I had the most vertically

>>>extending butt in_proportion_to_my_size.

>>

>>Oh brother! I meant *horizontally* extending butt. LOL!

>

>

>Oh, see, I thought you were just referring to muscle tone or something.

I WAS! LOL. I meant that as my butt becomes more *toned* it sticks out more

*horizontally*. A vertical extending butt could be one that sags to the

ground. LOL

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

At 06:49 PM 10/31/04 -0500, you wrote:

>Oh great. Before the conference you said I was " feisty " and now I'm

> " formidable. " LOL! The two " f " words. Is that it? Or have you got a third

> " f " word to round out my personality? <weg>

Actually, I'm still reconsidering that " feisty " comment. The word just

doesn't seem quite ... right. Formidable might be closer.

I have to revise what I initially told you, though, anyway ... it wasn't

the DTO postings by themselves, it was in combination with the later ones

about boy juice being good for the adrenals.

*starts running*

>>> Actually, I was referring to the accent. Although

>>>> dropping a chicken

>>>> once in a while might count too.

>

>I think I can do the accent 10 times better than I can do the cooking.

Well, ya see then? There ya go. It works.

MFJ

I wanna live! I wanna explore the Universe! And I wanna eat pie!

~Urgo

[Guest guest]

> RE: weight

>

>

>

>At 06:49 PM 10/31/04 -0500, you wrote:

>>Oh great. Before the conference you said I was " feisty " and now I'm

>> " formidable. " LOL! The two " f " words. Is that it? Or have you got a third

>> " f " word to round out my personality? <weg>

>

>Actually, I'm still reconsidering that " feisty " comment. The word just

>doesn't seem quite ... right. Formidable might be closer.

>

>I have to revise what I initially told you, though, anyway ... it wasn't

>the DTO postings by themselves, it was in combination with the later ones

>about boy juice being good for the adrenals.

I think it was someone else who said that! But I take credit for the deep

tissue oil post ;-)

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

> RE: weight

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >At 01:46 PM 10/31/04 -0500, you wrote:

>> >>> However, I still think I had the most vertically

>> >>>extending butt in_proportion_to_my_size.

>> >>

>> >>Oh brother! I meant *horizontally* extending butt.

>> LOL!

>> >

>> >

>> >Oh, see, I thought you were just referring to

>> muscle tone or something.

>>

>> I WAS! LOL. I meant that as my butt becomes more

>> *toned* it sticks out more

>> *horizontally*. A vertical extending butt could be

>> one that sags to the

>> ground. LOL

>>

>

>Yup, and after a week and a half of squats everyday,

>you looked in the side mirror at the gym and saw the

>horizontal extension and groaned, I saw it and went

>YEAH! :-)

I groaned because the gym mirrors extended it WAAAAAY beyond it's actual

proportions. But I knew the mirrors at my gym do that, so it was a

half-assed groan.

>That is why, IMO, it doesn't pay to engage a woman

>about her figure (slim, slender or what have you), no

>matter how many times she asks your opinion. She is

>going to see what *she* wants to see, no matter what

>her male friends might say.

Hmmmm....methinks that goes both ways, and as with woman, not ALL are like

that.

OK, we need to stop discussing my butt! I can just hear the groaning from

listers who could care less about a butt contest and what any of our butts

look like. Back to, uh...WAP nutrition? Or libertarianism or some other

typical topic for this list.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

----------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

I was doing some art classes a while back and the tutor told me I was

stroppy. I didn't say anything but I felt a bit bad. Weeks later, I

overheard him telling someone that they used the word stroppy to describe a

person who was keen and sharp. I was proud to be stroppy then.

So I'd think of the french meaning of formidable if I were you, Suze, then

both the f-words would be compliments...... well, as long as they don't add

in the 3rd......

deb

-----Original Message-----

From: Suze Fisher [mailto:s.fisher22@...]

>

Oh great. Before the conference you said I was " feisty " and now I'm

" formidable. " LOL! The two " f " words. Is that it? Or have you got a third

" f " word to round out my personality? <weg>

[Guest guest]

Actually, I've found it quite amusing. :-D

Steph

" OK, we need to stop discussing my butt! I can just hear the groaning from

listers who could care less about a butt contest and what any of our butts

look like. Suze "

[Guest guest]

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Suze Fisher [mailto:s.fisher22@...]

>

> OK, we need to stop discussing my butt! I can just hear the

> groaning from

> listers who could care less about a butt contest and what any

> of our butts

> look like.

I came in on the tail end of the thread, and I've been trying to follow it,

but never having seen the butt of the jokes, I'm feeling a bit left behind.

Bummed out, really. I hope you won't think this request too asinine, but

could you upload a JPEG or two for us visual learners?

[Guest guest]

At 05:01 PM 10/31/04 -0800, you wrote:

>just keep your mouth shut...from my limited

>experience, and god forbid, unless you enjoy

>involuntary fasting, don't EVER say anything negative.

>

>

I wouldn't think involuntary fasting would be an issue for the Galloping

Gourmet.

MFJ

I wanna live! I wanna explore the Universe! And I wanna eat pie!

~Urgo

[Guest guest]

> RE: weight

>

>

>

>

>--- Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

>

>> >> I WAS! LOL. I meant that as my butt becomes more

>> >> *toned* it sticks out more

>> >> *horizontally*. A vertical extending butt could

>> be

>> >> one that sags to the

>> >> ground. LOL

>> >>

>> >

>> >Yup, and after a week and a half of squats

>> everyday,

>> >you looked in the side mirror at the gym and saw

>> the

>> >horizontal extension and groaned, I saw it and went

>> >YEAH! :-)

>>

>> I groaned because the gym mirrors extended it

>> WAAAAAY beyond it's actual

>> proportions. But I knew the mirrors at my gym do

>> that, so it was a

>> half-assed groan.

>

>See we are back to that perception thing again. What I

>saw in the gym mirror and what I see in person looks

>one and the same to me. Maybe my eyes are playing

>tricks on me.

Possibly. The mirrors in my gym are designed to make you look more buff, ie;

they widen one's appearance. I love the way I look in those mirrors *head

on* because it makes me have a much wider, WAPish face. However, I think we

were in a part of gym that doesn't have the widening mirrors, in which case

I don't know why my butt looked particularly extended that day in *that*

mirror. I stretch all the time in front of that mirror and never noticed

such an extension. It was probably just all the squats we were doing at the

time, if it was indeed a true representation of my butt.

>

>But at any rate, at least and I enjoyed looking

>at it at the conference ;-)

Glad I could entertain you guys ;-)

>

>> >That is why, IMO, it doesn't pay to engage a woman

>> >about her figure (slim, slender or what have you),

>> no

>> >matter how many times she asks your opinion. She is

>> >going to see what *she* wants to see, no matter

>> what

>> >her male friends might say.

>>

>> Hmmmm....methinks that goes both ways,

>

>Are you suggesting that men's image and attitude about

>their body is the same, in general, as women?

>Hmmmm...well we will just have to agree to disagree on

>that one.

Nope. I'm suggesting that a lot of men are sensitive about their body image

too. IIRC, I read figures not long ago showing that men are getting cosmetic

surgery in record numbers these days. Aside from that, I have some personal

experience that would suggest that some men are quite body image conscious.

>

>> woman, not ALL are like

>> that.

>

>Of course not, but we really weren't discussing ALL

>women, only my opinion of those whom I have come

>across in my limited experience. In my parochial

>world, I have only met a few exceptions, and a very

>few at that. I am just discussing general tendencies

>which is why I said *in my opinion* above.

When I said *all* women are not like that, I was responding to your

statement: " That is why, IMO, it doesn't pay to engage a woman bout her

figure (slim, slender or what have you), no matter how many times she asks

your opinion. " IMO, when you make an absolute statement without any shades

of gray like " most " or " many woman " or " most woman in my experience " then it

suggests, to me at least, that you mean ALL. So yes, that's how I took it.

>If had to bet money on the general tendency in terms

>of body image, I wouldn't put money on your view, but

>that is just me.

The only view I expressed in that email was that not ALL women were like

that and that men are often sensitive about body image as well (but not ALL

of either gender). I'm not sure which part(s) you wouldn't put money on, but

I stick by it. I suspect you were extrapolating from that, or misunderstood

my comments and *that's* what you wouldn't put your money on. I could be

wrong.

I do think as a general rule of thumb in the US that women tend to be *more*

sensitive than men about body image. Personally, I've found the pressure to

have a perfect body rather extreme - at least, when I'm tuned in to

mainstream culture. A lot less so when I hang out with counterculture types.

Just my personal experience.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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[Guest guest]

> RE: weight

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>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Suze Fisher [mailto:s.fisher22@...]

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>> OK, we need to stop discussing my butt! I can just hear the

>> groaning from

>> listers who could care less about a butt contest and what any

>> of our butts

>> look like.

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>I came in on the tail end of the thread, and I've been trying to follow it,

>but never having seen the butt of the jokes, I'm feeling a bit left behind.

>Bummed out, really. I hope you won't think this request too asinine, but

>could you upload a JPEG or two for us visual learners?

The only butt shots I have are not appropriate to post to a public list.

They were also taken *before* my butt was very extended, although you can

tell it was on its way. You'll just have to use your imagination ;-) Maybe

someone will take pics at our butt pageant next year, though. I'm sure Chris

would volunteer. <g>

Too bad WAP only took headshots, I'm dying to know if his healthy primitives

had big butts...

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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