Guest guest Report post Posted September 4, 2007 Dearest Cherie: Honey, I have very bad back pain too, and I have a hard time walking. I can hardly turn over in bed. Have you tried a heating pad, because it really helps me? Can you take painkillers? I am sorry that you are in so much pain....stay close....love...Lea ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`````````````` Help! Hi Everyone,I have stopped taking the Fungus Defense due to not doing well on it. Today I have severe lower back pain, I can hardly walk. Is this normal?Thanks!Cherie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 4, 2007 Magnets do wonders for back pain. They have been lifesavers for me. Lynda At 08:38 PM 9/4/2007, you wrote: >Dearest Cherie: > >Honey, I have very bad back pain too, and I have a hard time >walking. I can hardly turn over in bed. Have you tried a heating >pad, because it really helps me? Can you take painkillers? > >I am sorry that you are in so much pain....stay close....love...Lea >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`````````````` > Help! > >Hi Everyone, > >I have stopped taking the Fungus Defense due to not doing well on it. >Today I have severe lower back pain, I can hardly walk. Is this normal? > >Thanks! >Cherie > > ><http://promos.hotbar.com/promos/promodll.dll?RunPromo & El= & SG= & RAND=39568 & partn\ er=hbtools> >Upgrade Your Email - Click here! > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 5, 2007 Thanks Lea, Yes, I have been using a heating pad off and on for months for my upper back, I sleep with it. I'm a little better today with my lower back, I stopped taking the Fungus Defense two days a ago. I can stand up straight today, which is a good thing! I have been trying some pain killers too, but they didn't touch it. I do relate it to the Fungus Defense, I have never felt like this before and now its easing up since I stopped taking it. Thanks! Cherie > > Dearest Cherie: > > Honey, I have very bad back pain too, and I have a hard time walking. I can hardly turn over in bed. Have you tried a heating pad, because it really helps me? Can you take painkillers? > > I am sorry that you are in so much pain....stay close....love...Lea > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`````````````` > Help! > > > Hi Everyone, > > I have stopped taking the Fungus Defense due to not doing well on it. > Today I have severe lower back pain, I can hardly walk. Is this normal? > > Thanks! > Cherie > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 5, 2007 Lynda, What are Magnets? Cherie > > >Dearest Cherie: > > > >Honey, I have very bad back pain too, and I have a hard time > >walking. I can hardly turn over in bed. Have you tried a heating > >pad, because it really helps me? Can you take painkillers? > > > >I am sorry that you are in so much pain....stay close....love...Lea > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`````````````` > > Help! > > > >Hi Everyone, > > > >I have stopped taking the Fungus Defense due to not doing well on it. > >Today I have severe lower back pain, I can hardly walk. Is this normal? > > > >Thanks! > >Cherie > > > > > ><http://promos.hotbar.com/promos/promodll.dll? RunPromo & El= & SG= & RAND=39568 & partner=hbtools> > >Upgrade Your Email - Click here! > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 5, 2007 Back magnets, you can buy them online. I would get a flexible one. They are magnets that you use for muscular problems, and they increase circulation and draw the inflammation out of the area of pain. I have used them for years, and they truly have been the best thing I have ever tried for back and muscular pain. No pain pills, and relief from pain. Lynda At 07:04 AM 9/5/2007, you wrote: >Lynda, > >What are Magnets? > >Cherie > > > > > > >Dearest Cherie: > > > > > >Honey, I have very bad back pain too, and I have a hard time > > >walking. I can hardly turn over in bed. Have you tried a heating > > >pad, because it really helps me? Can you take painkillers? > > > > > >I am sorry that you are in so much pain....stay close....love...Lea > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`````````````` > > > Help! > > > > > >Hi Everyone, > > > > > >I have stopped taking the Fungus Defense due to not doing well on >it. > > >Today I have severe lower back pain, I can hardly walk. Is this >normal? > > > > > >Thanks! > > >Cherie > > > > > > > > ><<http://promos.hotbar.com/promos/promodll.dll?>http://promos.hot > bar.com/promos/promodll.dll? >RunPromo & El= & SG= & RAND=39568 & partner=hbtools> > > >Upgrade Your Email - Click here! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Cherie ~ What are you eating? What do you typically eat in a day? Bless your heart.......I am so sorry you are having such problems with pain. Maybe right now while you still have the implants in, your body is just on overload and cant handle things. I am so glad you are having your surgery in the near future. Things will be so much better then. Hugs DedeSee what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 ~ Check to see if there is nutrasweet or aspertame in the sugar free vanilla pudding, if so, you might want to delete it too. Hugs DedeSee what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Cherie ~ You know, I agree ! I have my gallbladder, but for the last two years, I have been having all the same pain you have. The pain makes my heart act up, so when I have been in the hospital for this, they forget everything else and work on my heart, then send me home. It wasnt til january of this year that a doctor ran the amylase and lipase on me and they were high. No telling how high they were when I was in the hospital the beginning of december with all the pain. but as usual, my heart acted up, they put me in icu, then after 36 hours there, they sent me home with the pain still there. I think for me, I too have a raging fungal infection and prob mycoplasma and all that too. I think that is probably causing havoc in all my organs. I eat garlic, off and on, and I drink the kefir every day, and biding time til I can have these bombs out. I was all set when I had that heart episode the end of july. Had that not happened, I would be explanted right now. But like you say, God has his plan, and things happen for a reason. I find sometimes that the high roughage diet is hard on me and I have to back off. I normally eat tons of veges, and I eat raw veges every single day. They are very good for me but once in awhile, I have to back off a couple days and give my system a break. You might check, I think gas-ex has silicone in it........ I had horrible experience with gas=ex, it made me blow up more, and made me not be able to pass gas. I thought I was gonna blow up ! I tried it a couple times and it did that all times I tried it. Yummy, the red snapper sounds really good.......The kefir helps with candida too, and is very gentle. When my stomach is bothering me, I can drink some, and it helps most times ! I think once you have those toxic bombs out of you, that you can gently detox, and you will get much better. I tell ya, this all is no fun, and very challenging. I still think we will have success stories to share down the road ! Have a blessed evening ! DedeSee what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Cherie ~ When they did the ERCP on you, did they remove any stones? Or, just look? and exray? DedeSee what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Cherie ~ Right now there are 8 yr old saline in there. I had a massive silicone rupture back in 1994, with free floating silicone in blobs for almost a year. The saline implants have a silicone outter shell, and they degrade and silicone can free float all over your body. One of our girls had saline and was explanted, then later on had to have enlarged and inflamed lymph nodes removed, and they were full of ..............yep, silicone ! ! Anyway........I think these salines are the kind with a bi-directional flow problem with the valves. With fungal organisms and bacteria flowing in and out of them. These are under the muscle, and between them and my chest wall I feel like there are sharp rocks in there and they scrape me when I move certain ways. the breasts hurt and burn, and are swollen huge. I had all my breast tissue removed during 5 surgeries. up until 2 yrs ago, all I had was thin skin stretched over implants with nipples. You could see the ripples in the implants. In the last 2 years, I have these huge boobs almost to my naval ! ! The implants are still up behind the muscle, I am not sure what all is inside these boobs that grew. Strange if ya ask me ! ! Hugs ~ DedeSee what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Cherie, Have you tried coffee enemas? Rogene cannst42 <cannst42@...> wrote: Hi Ladies,It seems that everything I try is givig me pain. Not sure what on earth to do! I have had severe low back pain with Fungal Defense, severe sinus pain with primal defense, enzymes and bile salt gives upper back pain - like a squeezing around my upper back. I feel better when I take nothing at all but gas-ex. I am trying to detox and make myself better and all I am doing is feeling worse. Any suggestions?Thanks!Cherie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Rogene, No I haven't. What does it do and how can it help? Cherie > Hi Ladies, > > It seems that everything I try is givig me pain. Not sure what on > earth to do! I have had severe low back pain with Fungal Defense, > severe sinus pain with primal defense, enzymes and bile salt gives > upper back pain - like a squeezing around my upper back. I feel better > when I take nothing at all but gas-ex. I am trying to detox and make > myself better and all I am doing is feeling worse. Any suggestions? > > Thanks! > Cherie > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Rogene, My gut is telling me that the low back pain is from my pancreas, mid back pain is from my kidneys and the upper is from my liver. When I take pain piils, they don't touch the pain. This all started after my gallbladder came out. Over the months I have kept that pain to the mimimum but now when trying all these stuff, the pain all came back very severely. It seems to be me that body just can't handle any of this stuff I am trying.; I was in the hospital last march due to my liver and pancreas enzymes being extremely high. They did a E.R.C.P procedure on me and that brought my levels back down, but it never took the pain away nor solved the problem. All the dr's could tell me was " we don't know why is has happend or what's causing it " . I'm done with Drs. I am really at my wits end! This all started with awful IBS and then I had be gallbladder remvoved and that made me worse! Nothing, ABSOLUTLEY nothing I have ever tried has ever helped me. Cherie > > Hi Ladies, > > > > It seems that everything I try is givig me pain. Not sure what on > > earth to do! I have had severe low back pain with Fungal Defense, > > severe sinus pain with primal defense, enzymes and bile salt gives > > upper back pain - like a squeezing around my upper back. I feel > better > > when I take nothing at all but gas-ex. I am trying to detox and > make > > myself better and all I am doing is feeling worse. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks! > > Cherie > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Patty's probably gone now . . . but she's used coffee enemas for some time . . . her husband uses them almost daily. She said they were the first thing she tried that got rid of her pain. Hopefully some of the other ladies who've tried them will chime in. Basially, you boil organic coffee, strain it and let it cool enough to be comfortable, then do an enema. . . Lay on your right side. Try to hold it for 15 minutes. It will help your liver flush toxins . . . You can learn more with a websearch too. www.curezone.com probably has more info. Love, Rogene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Cherie ~ Yes, I read about it, wish they could have done more for you. Here, read this about phantom pain, perhaps you are having some of this......I had it with my boobs when they were cut off and I was without for 5 years, very strange it was indeed ! Phantom Pain and Alternative Medicine you arent an amputee of a limb, but of an organ ! Hugs DedeSee what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Cherie ~ Dr Kolb said she would do it when I can get cardiac clearance. I was so happy to hear that cuz no one in Texas wanted to touch me cuz of my health. I dont have it scheduled yet because I had another heart episode that set me back for a few months, but I should know in the next month when they will say the heart is strong enough again. Dr Kolb didnt hesitate one bit when I told her my medical history. She just wants cardiac clearance first. I am hoping I get it by my next appointment then I will call and set everything up with Kolb. I cant wait ! ! How long did you have your implants? you left out the number.......LOL......brain fog...... Hugs DedeSee what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Well I don't know that this will help at all but it is very good and I seem to feel better every day. I make a fruit smoothie every morning... with strawberries or raspberries, 1/2 banana, sometimes 1/2 ring pinapple, sometimes kiwi, always some slices of nectarine or peach. To this I add 1/2 to 1 bottle of DanActive (helps with immune system a probiotic drink). (found in the yogurt section). I also mix in 1/2 carton dannon Activa, some ice, a teaspoon of vanilla flavor (that I get from coffee shop) and a teaspoon of sugar free vanilla pudding because it makes the shake thicken.... I blend all of this then with this drink I take: OptiMSM (Glucosamine Chondroitin Olive Leaf capsule acidophilus pearls Super MIlk Thistle Super C 1000 mg Transfer Factor Alpha Lipoic Acid Organic Flaxseed Oil I'm guessing I should also be taking some other things to detox but anyone can chime in here with suggestions. The the smoothie a try... at least it is very yummy and good for you. > > Hi Ladies, > > It seems that everything I try is givig me pain. Not sure what on > earth to do! I have had severe low back pain with Fungal Defense, > severe sinus pain with primal defense, enzymes and bile salt gives > upper back pain - like a squeezing around my upper back. I feel better > when I take nothing at all but gas-ex. I am trying to detox and make > myself better and all I am doing is feeling worse. Any suggestions? > > Thanks! > Cherie > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 , The only problem I see with this smoothie is the amount of fruit and the sugars in those fruits. If you have fungus, this would be a whole lot of fruit. Lynda At 03:08 PM 9/21/2007, you wrote: >Well I don't know that this will help at all but it is very good and I >seem to feel better every day. > >I make a fruit smoothie every morning... with strawberries or >raspberries, 1/2 banana, sometimes 1/2 ring pinapple, sometimes kiwi, >always some slices of nectarine or peach. To this I add 1/2 to 1 >bottle of DanActive (helps with immune system a probiotic drink). >(found in the yogurt section). I also mix in 1/2 carton dannon >Activa, some ice, a teaspoon of vanilla flavor (that I get from coffee >shop) and a teaspoon of sugar free vanilla pudding because it makes >the shake thicken.... I blend all of this then with this drink I take: >OptiMSM (Glucosamine Chondroitin >Olive Leaf capsule >acidophilus pearls >Super MIlk Thistle >Super C 1000 mg >Transfer Factor >Alpha Lipoic Acid >Organic Flaxseed Oil > >I'm guessing I should also be taking some other things to detox but >anyone can chime in here with suggestions. > >The the smoothie a try... at least it is very yummy and good for you. > > > > > > > > Hi Ladies, > > > > It seems that everything I try is givig me pain. Not sure what on > > earth to do! I have had severe low back pain with Fungal Defense, > > severe sinus pain with primal defense, enzymes and bile salt gives > > upper back pain - like a squeezing around my upper back. I feel better > > when I take nothing at all but gas-ex. I am trying to detox and make > > myself better and all I am doing is feeling worse. Any suggestions? > > > > Thanks! > > Cherie > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Dede, I have actually started organic food, no to low sugar. Today for lunch I had red snapper with garlic and a vegetable salad. This has been my problem all along, nothing works. I am really thinking that I'm just emesley filled with fungas/candida or it's still a mystery on whats wrong with. What I do know, is that my body chemsitry changed and I started going down hill since the implants were inserted. I am really bummed that I have to wait until November for my surgery. My friend who is coming with me is not avaiable to travel with me until then. I just keep thinking that God's got a reason on why I have to wait. I did feel better though when I wasn't taking anything but gas-ex. Thanks Dede! Cherie > > Cherie ~ > What are you eating? What do you typically eat > in a day? Bless your heart.......I am so sorry you > are having such problems with pain. Maybe right > now while you still have the implants in, your body > is just on overload and cant handle things. > I am so glad you are having your surgery in the near > future. Things will be so much better then. > Hugs Dede > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Dede, Sorry to hear that you've experineced this too my dear! I don't wish this on anyone. I have decided that I am not going to do anything or take anymore supplements until the explant. Must tell you, I was in Hawaii on vacation last week and felt nine times better than I do today not taking anything. I have at least learned from this that my body is a wreak and these implants must come out! Tell me, do you have saline or silicone? Thanks! Cherie > > Cherie ~ > You know, I agree ! I have my gallbladder, but for the last > two years, I have been having all the same pain you have. > The pain makes my heart act up, so when I have been in > the hospital for this, they forget everything else and work > on my heart, then send me home. It wasnt til january of this > year that a doctor ran the amylase and lipase on me and > they were high. No telling how high they were when I was > in the hospital the beginning of december with all the pain. > but as usual, my heart acted up, they put me in icu, then > after 36 hours there, they sent me home with the pain still > there. > I think for me, I too have a raging fungal infection and prob > mycoplasma and all that too. I think that is probably causing > havoc in all my organs. I eat garlic, off and on, and I drink the > kefir every day, and biding time til I can have these bombs out. > I was all set when I had that heart episode the end of july. Had > that not happened, I would be explanted right now. But like > you say, God has his plan, and things happen for a reason. > I find sometimes that the high roughage diet is hard on > me and I have to back off. I normally eat tons of veges, and > I eat raw veges every single day. They are very good for me > but once in awhile, I have to back off a couple days and > give my system a break. > You might check, I think gas-ex has silicone in it........ > I had horrible experience with gas=ex, it made me blow > up more, and made me not be able to pass gas. I thought > I was gonna blow up ! I tried it a couple times and it did > that all times I tried it. Yummy, the red snapper sounds > really good.......The kefir helps with candida too, and is > very gentle. When my stomach is bothering me, I can drink > some, and it helps most times ! > I think once you have those toxic bombs out of you, that > you can gently detox, and you will get much better. > I tell ya, this all is no fun, and very challenging. > I still think we will have success stories to share down > the road ! Have a blessed evening ! > Dede > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Dede, A ERCP is a Endoscopic Retrograde Cholangiopancreatography. ERCP is used primarily to diagnose and treat conditions of the bile ducts, including gallstones, inflammatory strictures (scars), leaks and cancer. ERCP combines the use of x rays and an endoscope. Through the endoscope, the physician can see the inside of the stomach and duodenum, and inject dyes into the ducts in the biliary tree and pancreas so they can be seen on x rays. They cut my sphincter by the liver, that is what apparently made my enzymes return to normal. Cherie > > Cherie ~ > When they did the ERCP on you, did they > remove any stones? Or, just look? and exray? > Dede > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Dede, That's awful, I'm so sorry to hear of this! You poor thing you!! My heart goes out you girlfriend! Mine will be in years and two days when I get them removed. Who is doing your surgery and when is it? Cherie > > Cherie ~ > Right now there are 8 yr old saline in there. > I had a massive silicone rupture back in 1994, > with free floating silicone in blobs for almost a > year. The saline implants have a silicone > outter shell, and they degrade and silicone > can free float all over your body. One of > our girls had saline and was explanted, then > later on had to have enlarged and inflamed > lymph nodes removed, and they were full > of ..............yep, silicone ! ! > Anyway........I think these salines are the kind > with a bi-directional flow problem with the valves. > With fungal organisms and bacteria flowing in and > out of them. These are under the muscle, and between > them and my chest wall I feel like there are sharp rocks > in there and they scrape me when I move certain ways. > the breasts hurt and burn, and are swollen huge. > I had all my breast tissue removed during 5 surgeries. > up until 2 yrs ago, all I had was thin skin stretched over > implants with nipples. You could see the ripples in the > implants. In the last 2 years, I have these huge boobs > almost to my naval ! ! The implants are still up behind > the muscle, I am not sure what all is inside these boobs > that grew. Strange if ya ask me ! ! > Hugs ~ Dede > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 21, 2007 Dede, I have had my implants in since November 2005. I am having them removed on November 13th. So I will have them for only 2 years and 2 days. I'm sure you'll get your clearance but I know the waiting is so frustrating! Hang in there girl!! What part of Texas are you from? I was just in Austin in April visiting a old friend, I really liked it there. I live in California. Cherie > > Cherie ~ > Dr Kolb said she would do it when I can > get cardiac clearance. I was so happy to > hear that cuz no one in Texas wanted to > touch me cuz of my health. I dont have > it scheduled yet because I had another > heart episode that set me back for a few > months, but I should know in the next month > when they will say the heart is strong enough > again. Dr Kolb didnt hesitate one bit when > I told her my medical history. She just wants > cardiac clearance first. I am hoping I get it > by my next appointment then I will call and > set everything up with Kolb. I cant wait ! ! > How long did you have your implants? you left > out the number.......LOL......brain fog...... > Hugs Dede > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2007 Cherie ~ I am in Austin ! Close to Pflugerville..... I am so sorry the implants made you sick so quickly. I am glad that you are getting them out pretty quickly, better chances of optimal healing. It is a sham the people we are suposed to trust and respect are legally able to make ill so many people just for a buck. Groups like this are lifesavers ! Shows that there is humanity out there, and it is not connected to money in any way. We are a priceless and unconditional group ! November 13 you will have your independence once again ! Yeah ! ! ! Hugs Dede See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 22, 2007 Cherie, I don't remember who your surgeon is . . . Dr. Huang? Dr. Kolb frequently puts her prospective patients on an antifungal before surgery . . . You might talk to your surgeon about the reaction you're having to antifungals. . . Going into surgery with a rip-roaring fungal problem that hasn't been addressed may give your doctor cause for concern. One implant sister told me that, when she went in for facial surgery - possibly a face lift - when they lifted her skin, they saw so much fungus, they just sewed her back up without completing the surgery. I don't think you're in nearly as bad a condition as she was, but the fungal issue is something you may want to check out before your surgery date. Hugs, Rogene Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
