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> My daughter just turned 8. She has always been a handfull. A few

> years ago we really started having problems with compulsive issues.

> We went to a therapist who basically made it seem like all of our

> issues were because I am a working parent and my husband and I

> didn't know how to properly discipline.

*****This is a common, wrong, old-school idea. OCD is a neurochemical brain

disorder. OCD is not caused by poor parenting and can not be cured by

expert parenting.

> Many of her issues revolved

> around the bathroom. She refused to learn how to wipe herself when

> she had a bm so she refused to go away from home. She would end up

> so constipated she would make herself physically ill. Other times

> she would go to the bathroom every 5 minutes to pee. She also had a

> fear of getting germs or boogers on things like tables and chairs at

> school. She was also always afraid of breaking or damaging things.

*****<I'm a mom of an OCD child, not a mh professional or doctor.> These

things you mention are very common in OCD: bathroom and elimination

obsessions and compulsions, contamination worries, etc. The peeing symptom

specifically is mentioned in the literature as associated with PANDAS

(Pediatric Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric Disorders Associated with

Streptococcus)--infection-caused OCD. My child is a PANDAS child, now 11,

her disorder appeared overnight when she was 4 years, 11 months old. You

can check the files section or Google PANDAS to learn more about this.

> Things seemed to get better for awhile. Then it got bad again.

*****OCD is a waxing and waning disorder. Some of us think we've noticed

correlations to things such as worsenings in spring due to allergies, etc.

Waxing periods sometimes come on with extra stress (moving, new school,

etc.) or sometimes illness.

> She

> was having terrible tantrums. She also said she wished she was

> dead.

*****Children with untreated OCD may tantrum this way when their rituals

(compulsions) are interrupted or interfered with. OCDers do compulsions in

order to reduce their anxiety. When they are prevented for whatever reason,

the anxiety skyrockets causing perhaps anger, tears, etc.

> She also could not make a decision as she was afraid whatever

> she said was a lie.

*****OCD is nicknamed " the doubting disorder " due to this ongoing sense of

being unable to feel sure about things, which causes much distress and

frustration.

> So, we finally fought with insurance enough to

> go to a child physchiatrist. At first she diagnosed my daughter

> with OCD. We even went on Prosac but stayed at a very low dose.

*****SSRIs need to be dosed higher than for depression to treat OCD, even in

children.

> But now the doctor isn't sure she has OCD because she can't

> determine the reason my daughter believes she does what she does.

> The doctor says usually if the child obsesses on something there is

> a reason they believe they have to do something or something bad

> will happen. My daughter hasn't been able to verbalize what the bad

> thing that she believes will happen is.

*****The doctor is wrong. For one thing, your daughter may well know what

the bad thing is but won't discuss it because of the content. My child's

obsessions (bad things) had to do with wanting to kill me, cut out her eyes,

and sexual/elimination themes. Also a lot of OCD is " just right, just so "

without a specific bad thing to avoid, just that it is very uncomfortable to

not do things OCD's way. OCD is ego-dystonic, meaning even your child knows

these " beliefs " are not *her* beliefs and don't make any sense.

> My daughter also has been very hyper so we just took her off the

> Prozac.

*****Please don't rule out another SSRI for her based on this experience.

Prozac wasn't the one for my child either, it caused hyper and a host of

other side effects for her. Prozac is a great med for most, but one of the

pains of treating OCD with SSRIs is the process of trial and error to find a

good fit for a particular child.

> Now the " bully " seems to be bothering her again full

> force. She feels she can't make a decision about anything as " it

> might be a lie " This includes telling us she loves us because it

> might be a lie.

*****Common common common in OCD, as you'll discover if you read through the

archives. It seems plain to me that your child is suffering from OCD.

> Sorry to make this so long but I am hoping someone out there has

> experienced some of the same issues. We don't know if we are

> dealing with OCD or Oppositional Defiance Disorder (everything is a

> struggle) or a little of both.

*****Many times other suspected disorders dissolve once anxiety and OCD are

adequately treated. The first-line treatment for children with OCD is a

certain type of behavior therapy called Cognitive Behavior Therapy with

Exposure and Response Prevention (CBT/ERP). It can be hard to find an

expert practitioner depending on where you live, but this is the only type

of therapy that actually reduces and eliminates OCD obsessions and

compulsions. Dr. Pinto-Wagner adviser to this list suggests searching for

one associated with a med center or teaching hospital. Some kids also need

medication, SSRIs. A poor experience with one does not mean that none will

work well for your daughter.

You've had some less-than-helpful professional help which is unfortunately,

still par for the course in diagnosing and treating children's anxiety

disorders far too often. We frequently have to educate ourselves about

this disorder and its treatment first before we have the understanding to

weed out the poor doctors and therapists from the good ones, who will help

without wasting massive amounts of time, hope and/or money :-(

My daughter is doing very well, long stabilized on an effective SSRI and the

veteran of effective CBT/ERP. Her OCD, termed severe at onset, isn't much

more than a nuisance in her life and she is a happy, healthy fifth-grader.

There is every reason to believe your child will be too with the proper

diagnosis and treatment. OCD is a very treatable disorder.

Again welcome, post again,

Kathy R. in Indiana

[Guest guest]

My heart goes out to you. My son is 6 1/2. The psychiatrist who

just saw him over the weekend (he was admitted to the psychiatric

unit of Children's Hospital... it was a nightmare), told me that my

son has about the worst case of anxiety he has seen in one his age.

Also, he said that therapy would be difficult for us because my son

has a tremendous amount of obsessive thoughts as opposed to

compulsions. In addition to the anxiety and OCD, he also suffers

tics and ADHD. We have found that for the OCD (and anxiety) that

Zoloft works really well for him. Unfortunately, it too makes him

hyper. So... to counteract the hyperactivity, they have him on

Concerta to attack not only the side effects of the Zoloft but the

ADHD too. BUT... the Concerta makes the tics worse so he is on

Clonidine to help with the tics. I was so upset that he was going to

have to be put on such an array of meds, but the psychiatrist said

that it is not uncommon at all for children like him to be on several

different types of medication. We too have been through the mill

with doctors... I actually had one look at me and say... " there's

NOTHING wrong with your child except you. You have no idea what you

are doing as a parent. All I can recommend to you is a parenting

class. " I was appalled... the funny thing is is that she was the

doctor on call while my son was in the hospital over the weekend and

she is the one who discharged him. (He was in because he told me he

was hearing voices and the " voices/1st graders as he called them "

were telling him to drink dog's blood.) She questioned me about why

he was not seen in her office again and I told her exactly why!!!

Don't be afraid to put a doc in his/her place. It is hard to find

one that is 'right' for your child's care. BELIEVE me, we've been

there! Well, I wish you the best and take advantage of all the

expertise of this group... it is the best place for knowledge.

>

> Hi everyone,

> Just found your group tonight. I know I have a lot of reading to

do

> on the site and from what I have seen so far this site may help me

> to gain some insight to my daughter's issues.

>

> My daughter just turned 8. She has always been a handfull. A few

> years ago we really started having problems with compulsive

issues.

> We went to a therapist who basically made it seem like all of our

> issues were because I am a working parent and my husband and I

> didn't know how to properly discipline. She would not diagonose my

> daughter nor would she refer us to a physchiatrist. We ended up

> giving up and stopped seeing her. Many of her issues revolved

> around the bathroom. She refused to learn how to wipe herself when

> she had a bm so she refused to go away from home. She would end up

> so constipated she would make herself physically ill. Other times

> she would go to the bathroom every 5 minutes to pee. She also had

a

> fear of getting germs or boogers on things like tables and chairs

at

> school. She was also always afraid of breaking or damaging things.

>

> Things seemed to get better for awhile. Then it got bad again.

She

> was having terrible tantrums. She also said she wished she was

> dead. She also could not make a decision as she was afraid

whatever

> she said was a lie. So, we finally fought with insurance enough to

> go to a child physchiatrist. At first she diagnosed my daughter

> with OCD. We even went on Prosac but stayed at a very low dose.

> But now the doctor isn't sure she has OCD because she can't

> determine the reason my daughter believes she does what she does.

> The doctor says usually if the child obsesses on something there is

> a reason they believe they have to do something or something bad

> will happen. My daughter hasn't been able to verbalize what the

bad

> thing that she believes will happen is.

>

> My daughter also has been very hyper so we just took her off the

> Prozac. Now the " bully " seems to be bothering her again full

> force. She feels she can't make a decision about anything as " it

> might be a lie " This includes telling us she loves us because it

> might be a lie.

>

> Sorry to make this so long but I am hoping someone out there has

> experienced some of the same issues. We don't know if we are

> dealing with OCD or Oppositional Defiance Disorder (everything is a

> struggle) or a little of both.

>

> Any feedback will be greatly appreciated.

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/8/2005 6:50:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,

melbiscuit5@... writes:

> Her therapist

> has a website and gives out free information on her public forum. If

> you are interested, or anyone else, I can give you her website

> address.

I would love that.

I find it interesting and comforting to hear of others who've had

bathroom elimination problems with ocd. I had never read anything that said

this

was part of ocd, but at some point started suspecting it was.

Our son caught a horrible flu, running a temp of 105 and didn't have a

BM for 5 days. We had to use an enema to get him going (which was hugely

traumatizing), and that started the major bathroom problems. He had always had

problems with constipation, and had been on laxatives since he was a baby, but

this experience took us into a whole new realm of bathroom problems. He was

diagnosed with encopresis and put back on laxatives. The school (I've

mentioned this before) would not work with us, letting him go to the bathroom

(even

with a doctor's note) when he felt he needed to, and he had a complete meltdown,

which included him running down the road in the morning, screaming and

crying, saying he couldn't go back to that school. He was in second grade at

the

time, and it was too much for him to handle, after putting up with an

uncooperative school for a month. He sank into depression and stopped eating,

sleeping

and laughing. That led to us homeschooling. After the first month of

homeschooling, he started to recover his former personality and improve. I

think

just removing the stress of the school's treatment helped. I have to say, the

more they refused to let him use the bathroom, the more it grew in his mind and

became a huge issue. His teacher even punished him and humiliated him in

front of the class, because of his bathroom behavior. When I spoke to her about

it and tried to work something out with her, she adamantly refused to work with

us. I tried calling the principal and came up against the same attitude.

It's sad. He was terribly constipated and developed hemorrhoids and fissures.

He constantly felt like he had to pee, but insisted he couldn't get it all

out. I didn't know at the time that this was part of his (at the time

suspected,

but not diagnosed) ocd. We went to numerous urologists, who wanted to do

invasive tests and surgeries on his penis. I was appalled and could only

imagine

what kind of mental scarring that would do to my overly sensitive son. We

held off, hoping for the best and deciding we would follow through with it when

he was older and more capable of dealing with the trauma of it. . . And am I

glad we did. Once our son started on Celexa, his bathroom problems (which he

had for 5 years) disappeared, which proved it was his ocd that was prolonging

the problem. It got so bad we couldn't leave the house. And when we did leave

the house, we would have to map where bathrooms were, so we could keep one

within 5 minutes at all times. We even resorted to buying a porta potty to take

in the car (which never got used, but was there for his peace of mind). We

always had to take a tv/vcr in the car with us, so he could watch a movie, to

keep his mind off of the urge to go to the bathroom. He would sit for hours in

the bathroom, and used boxes and boxes of baby wipes, because he would wipe

so much he would irritate himself. He wiped his penis with toilet paper,

fearing he wouldn't get the (imagined) drip that could still be there after

urinating, to the point that he irritated himself and was bleeding.

Our son did deal with a bad case of strep that wouldn't go away for

months, when he was in first grade. I now know he had signs of ocd when he was

very young, but I find myself wondering if the strep situation made things

worse quickly. I don't know that much about it, and am thankful for the info

this group has put out so I can try to look it up.

We are at a point where the Celexa is not working as effectively as it

used to. His meds have been upped twice and we are desperately looking for a

qualified therapist/psychologist to help our son. The ocd is manifesting

itself differently this time, than from previous flared up episodes.

Fortunately

the bathroom stuff has not come back, so we can actually get out of the

house, whereas before it was almost impossible. You are not alone, ,

apparently. I'm glad you wrote to this group, because it helped me too. )

And,

welcome.

BJ

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/8/2005 6:50:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,

melbiscuit5@... writes:

> Her therapist

> has a website and gives out free information on her public forum. If

> you are interested, or anyone else, I can give you her website

> address.

I would love that.

I find it interesting and comforting to hear of others who've had

bathroom elimination problems with ocd. I had never read anything that said

this

was part of ocd, but at some point started suspecting it was.

Our son caught a horrible flu, running a temp of 105 and didn't have a

BM for 5 days. We had to use an enema to get him going (which was hugely

traumatizing), and that started the major bathroom problems. He had always had

problems with constipation, and had been on laxatives since he was a baby, but

this experience took us into a whole new realm of bathroom problems. He was

diagnosed with encopresis and put back on laxatives. The school (I've

mentioned this before) would not work with us, letting him go to the bathroom

(even

with a doctor's note) when he felt he needed to, and he had a complete meltdown,

which included him running down the road in the morning, screaming and

crying, saying he couldn't go back to that school. He was in second grade at

the

time, and it was too much for him to handle, after putting up with an

uncooperative school for a month. He sank into depression and stopped eating,

sleeping

and laughing. That led to us homeschooling. After the first month of

homeschooling, he started to recover his former personality and improve. I

think

just removing the stress of the school's treatment helped. I have to say, the

more they refused to let him use the bathroom, the more it grew in his mind and

became a huge issue. His teacher even punished him and humiliated him in

front of the class, because of his bathroom behavior. When I spoke to her about

it and tried to work something out with her, she adamantly refused to work with

us. I tried calling the principal and came up against the same attitude.

It's sad. He was terribly constipated and developed hemorrhoids and fissures.

He constantly felt like he had to pee, but insisted he couldn't get it all

out. I didn't know at the time that this was part of his (at the time

suspected,

but not diagnosed) ocd. We went to numerous urologists, who wanted to do

invasive tests and surgeries on his penis. I was appalled and could only

imagine

what kind of mental scarring that would do to my overly sensitive son. We

held off, hoping for the best and deciding we would follow through with it when

he was older and more capable of dealing with the trauma of it. . . And am I

glad we did. Once our son started on Celexa, his bathroom problems (which he

had for 5 years) disappeared, which proved it was his ocd that was prolonging

the problem. It got so bad we couldn't leave the house. And when we did leave

the house, we would have to map where bathrooms were, so we could keep one

within 5 minutes at all times. We even resorted to buying a porta potty to take

in the car (which never got used, but was there for his peace of mind). We

always had to take a tv/vcr in the car with us, so he could watch a movie, to

keep his mind off of the urge to go to the bathroom. He would sit for hours in

the bathroom, and used boxes and boxes of baby wipes, because he would wipe

so much he would irritate himself. He wiped his penis with toilet paper,

fearing he wouldn't get the (imagined) drip that could still be there after

urinating, to the point that he irritated himself and was bleeding.

Our son did deal with a bad case of strep that wouldn't go away for

months, when he was in first grade. I now know he had signs of ocd when he was

very young, but I find myself wondering if the strep situation made things

worse quickly. I don't know that much about it, and am thankful for the info

this group has put out so I can try to look it up.

We are at a point where the Celexa is not working as effectively as it

used to. His meds have been upped twice and we are desperately looking for a

qualified therapist/psychologist to help our son. The ocd is manifesting

itself differently this time, than from previous flared up episodes.

Fortunately

the bathroom stuff has not come back, so we can actually get out of the

house, whereas before it was almost impossible. You are not alone, ,

apparently. I'm glad you wrote to this group, because it helped me too. )

And,

welcome.

BJ

[Guest guest]

,

My daughter now 14, also had bathroom issues when she was young. She

would think she had to go and nothing would come out. She could not

work with glitter in kindergarten because it might get on her hands

or body. She never said why that bothered her and I thought nothing

of it. Now looking back I can see OCD had a hand in it! She was not

diagnosed until she was 12. Came to me with thoughts of slitting her

wrists. We took her right in and was very lucky we had a doctor

diagnose her correctly as OCD. We started out on prozac slowly

working up the dose. She developed hives so switched to Luvox. Also

slowly increased the dose on that till it worked! So do not give up.

There are good doctors out there and good therapists. Her therapist

has a website and gives out free information on her public forum. If

you are interested, or anyone else, I can give you her website

address. It takes time, patience, strength, and friends like on

this parenting group to help get you through. We are all here for

you.. Sandy

[Guest guest]

Hi , welcome! I have a son, 16, with OCD. Seems you've had a

tough time also at finding anyone over the years who has experience &

understands OCD.

What you wrote sounds very much like OCD to me. My son had

the " something bad will happen to me " and needs a " just right "

feeling type of OCD. He cannot say WHAT will happen or even WHY he

feels that way, it's just a " feeling " and has absolutely no logic or

reason to it, just anxiousness. Believe me, with some of the more

common and then the really un-common compulsions, things he used to

do, there doesn't have to be a " what will happen " or a " why " to it,

no reason as to why you feel that way. No bad parenting there either.

He also had a bit of the scrupulosity about lying, not cheating,

etc.

My opinion is that OCD can make anyone very oppositional and

temperamental (sp).

This group has been a huge support to me over the years, I'm sure

you'll find the same. Please keep us updated on how you & daughter

are doing!

single mom, 3 sons

, 16, with OCD, dysgraphia and Aspergers

>

> Hi everyone,

> Just found your group tonight. I know I have a lot of reading to

do

> on the site and from what I have seen so far this site may help me

> to gain some insight to my daughter's issues.

>

> My daughter just turned 8. She has always been a handfull. A few

> years ago we really started having problems with compulsive

issues.

> We went to a therapist who basically made it seem like all of our

> issues were because I am a working parent and my husband and I

> didn't know how to properly discipline. She would not diagonose my

> daughter nor would she refer us to a physchiatrist. We ended up

[Guest guest]

Hi , welcome! I have a son, 16, with OCD. Seems you've had a

tough time also at finding anyone over the years who has experience &

understands OCD.

What you wrote sounds very much like OCD to me. My son had

the " something bad will happen to me " and needs a " just right "

feeling type of OCD. He cannot say WHAT will happen or even WHY he

feels that way, it's just a " feeling " and has absolutely no logic or

reason to it, just anxiousness. Believe me, with some of the more

common and then the really un-common compulsions, things he used to

do, there doesn't have to be a " what will happen " or a " why " to it,

no reason as to why you feel that way. No bad parenting there either.

He also had a bit of the scrupulosity about lying, not cheating,

etc.

My opinion is that OCD can make anyone very oppositional and

temperamental (sp).

This group has been a huge support to me over the years, I'm sure

you'll find the same. Please keep us updated on how you & daughter

are doing!

single mom, 3 sons

, 16, with OCD, dysgraphia and Aspergers

>

> Hi everyone,

> Just found your group tonight. I know I have a lot of reading to

do

> on the site and from what I have seen so far this site may help me

> to gain some insight to my daughter's issues.

>

> My daughter just turned 8. She has always been a handfull. A few

> years ago we really started having problems with compulsive

issues.

> We went to a therapist who basically made it seem like all of our

> issues were because I am a working parent and my husband and I

> didn't know how to properly discipline. She would not diagonose my

> daughter nor would she refer us to a physchiatrist. We ended up

[Guest guest]

Hi, . Welcome to the group. I have two girls (11 and 14) with OCD. I'm

sorry that your family is going through what it is going through. It sounds

like to me that you need to keep looking for another doctor. OCD is not

logical and your daughter does not have to explain the reasons behind her

actions.

In my opinion, that just gives the OCD attention it doesn't deserve. Bathroom

issues are so common in children with OCD--my youngest one used to " hold it "

for days (eleven to be exact) and then--well, let's just say it wasn't

something you wanted to watch. Thank goodness we are past that! Not knowing

your

daughter and being a parent and not a doctor, it is hard to say whether ODD is a

possiblity but I can say that OCD can make a child act like terribly. It

makes them believe things are life and death when they are not and when someone

or something goes against how they feel it should be, the reaction can be quite

loud and even scary. My youngest daughter, , used to have rages where

she'd scream and kick and cry for hours over what felt like nothing. One of her

big things was to " tell me something. " She could never " tell me " in a way

that worked and eventually I would have to refuse to listen anymore and she

would have a tantrum like you wouldn't believe! These rages left once we got a

handle on her OCD through meds and therapy. Hang in there--things can get

better. You are in the worst of it right now but it will get better. My

youngest,

, was seven when she was diagnosed but was symptomatic from birth on

(very anxious baby.) My oldest, Hannah, didn't have her onset until she was

ten.

Both are on meds (second SSRIs we tried worked so don't give up on them yet)

and both are in therapy. I can't believe how much they have both changed

since we started. Hang in there. Kelley in NV

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm sure I'm repeating what others have written, but it's important

enough to repeat. Your daughter has very, very common OCD symptoms. It is not

important for a child to have to have a " reason " for doing their compulsions -

OCD

is not a logical disorder! It is not even necessary for a diagnosis in

children for them to see their behavior as nonsensical, although adults must

have

that understanding to be diagnosed with OCD. Most children would not be able to

give any kind of reason for their compulsions - I'm sure the standard answer is

" I don't know why! I just have to!! " And as to your working having anything

at all to do with your daughter's illness, FORGET IT! I was once told by a

psychiatrist that I was a " toxic mother " and that's why my daughter was so

anxious. Nonsense. You need to find a new psychiatrist (I'm sorry to say that

after

you went through insurance company battles to find this one) and it needs to be

someone who is knowledgeable about brain disorders, like OCD.

As for the thought that she may have ODD, I say forget that as well. That

diagnosis was given to us by a neurologist (stop 2 on our journey after the

psychiatrist mentioned above). Untreated OCD looks like ODD, but once it is

treated, the anger and tantrums generally melt away. Someone once said having

OCD

feels to the sufferer the way you would feel if your child had been kidnapped

and you couldn't do anything but pace the floor and worry. If you can imagine

living with that level of tension and anxiety, you might be able to imagine

why children suffering like this tend to explode a lot!

And as far as SSRIs, like Prozac, go, don't give up. Prozac can be very

activating and does cause hyped up behavior and even additional anxiety in some

people (for others it is the cure). But a different med. of the same class

(like Lexapro, Zoloft, etc.) may be a miracle for your daughter. My daughter

went for three years without treatment, and with several ridiculous diagnoses,

before we found a child psychiatrist who looked at her and said " obviously a bad

case of OCD! " He started her on Paxil and within two months she was an

entirely different child.

Don't give up! Look for another psychiatrist (medical schools can

sometimes give referrals to good doctors) or if you'd like, mention on this list

what

state you live in and someone might have a name for you.

Best wishes,

in NV

[Guest guest]

Hi . Like your daughter, my daughter (9) doesn't have the accompanying

belief that something bad will happen if she doesn't do her compulsion. She has

feelings of anxiety, but mainly she does the compulsions to stop the persistent

thoughts, period. I would find it hard to put much trust in a pdoc that didn't

know that that was fairly common. It's discussed in Tamar Chansky's book. In

fact (and I may be wrong here), I think she says it's more common for younger

kids to NOT have that accompanying belief.

Your daughter's ocd is similar to my dd's in lots of ways. My dd also is

extremely worried about lying. She finds it almost impossible to tell a story

because the ocd keeps telling her that what she's saying might be a lie; so

after practically every sentence, she has to say, " At least, I think that's what

happened. " It drives her berserk. To her, that's one of the most annoying

aspects of her ocd. It's so sad because in the middle of a story that she wants

to tell me, she'll suddenly say, " I don't want to talk about this right now. "

She just can't handle the ocd pestering her. I can also relate to your dd's

difficulty in making a decision. Often, if I ask my dd a yes or no question

about something at school, she'll hesitate and then say, " I don't know. " Her

ocd is telling her that she can't be 100% sure. It's a very frustrating

disorder, to say the least. But please know that your dd is not alone in her

particular brand of ocd. I wish you all the best in finding a good

psychologist. My dd just had her first therapy session last night. I love the

doctor. She uses the March approach and I just know that she'll do wonders

for my dd. Your dd will get better too.

Mo

[Guest guest]

Hi . Like your daughter, my daughter (9) doesn't have the accompanying

belief that something bad will happen if she doesn't do her compulsion. She has

feelings of anxiety, but mainly she does the compulsions to stop the persistent

thoughts, period. I would find it hard to put much trust in a pdoc that didn't

know that that was fairly common. It's discussed in Tamar Chansky's book. In

fact (and I may be wrong here), I think she says it's more common for younger

kids to NOT have that accompanying belief.

Your daughter's ocd is similar to my dd's in lots of ways. My dd also is

extremely worried about lying. She finds it almost impossible to tell a story

because the ocd keeps telling her that what she's saying might be a lie; so

after practically every sentence, she has to say, " At least, I think that's what

happened. " It drives her berserk. To her, that's one of the most annoying

aspects of her ocd. It's so sad because in the middle of a story that she wants

to tell me, she'll suddenly say, " I don't want to talk about this right now. "

She just can't handle the ocd pestering her. I can also relate to your dd's

difficulty in making a decision. Often, if I ask my dd a yes or no question

about something at school, she'll hesitate and then say, " I don't know. " Her

ocd is telling her that she can't be 100% sure. It's a very frustrating

disorder, to say the least. But please know that your dd is not alone in her

particular brand of ocd. I wish you all the best in finding a good

psychologist. My dd just had her first therapy session last night. I love the

doctor. She uses the March approach and I just know that she'll do wonders

for my dd. Your dd will get better too.

Mo

[Guest guest]

you should relax ....its sometimes normal to be in bed for awhile after a

biopsy . Herbal treatment has not ever been proven to treat/cure hepatitis .

Although things like milk thistle are great for detoxing the liver there really

are no herbal medications that can treat hepatitis . And some herbal treatments

can be liver toxic .Before he takes any medication he should consult his doctor

for advice .

new to group

My husband was diagnosed 2 weeks ago. He had a liver biopsy last week

and a follow up next week to discuss treatment. He has been in bed for

a week-and I am freaking out! Has anyone tried herbal treatments?

It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you have found

the support you need with us.

If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our group, just

click the link-- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hepatitis_C_Central/

Happy Posting

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[Guest guest]

Hi geminia,

Welcome to our happy little home, I hope you enjoy your stay and find it as comfortable a place to be as I do.

Bethgeminia1232 wrote:

hi i am also new to the group. officially i have pdd but i think i really have aspergers.i also have deprseeion,high anxiety and a host of other problems.i dont know if i will fit in here but i will try.it would be nice to talk to other aspies.FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites."

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[Guest guest]

Hi geminia,

Welcome to our happy little home, I hope you enjoy your stay and find it as comfortable a place to be as I do.

Bethgeminia1232 wrote:

hi i am also new to the group. officially i have pdd but i think i really have aspergers.i also have deprseeion,high anxiety and a host of other problems.i dont know if i will fit in here but i will try.it would be nice to talk to other aspies.FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites."

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[Guest guest]

Hi and welcome!

I hope you'll like it here. Feel free to jump into any discussion, to ask

questions, to tell more about yourself if you like or just lurk a bit and

check out the database, articles, photos etc on the forum. In the Links

section, there are some online Aspie-tests that you may find helpful.

I personally don't think there is that much difference between AS, HFA and

PDD and that it depends more on the doctor than on the patient which dx you

end up with. Many of us neuro-atypical also have ADD, ADHD, Tourettes,

dyslexia, LD and it is very common with allergies, epilepsy, depression,

anxiety, social phobia and other phobias. I belive it comes from having a

nervous system that is a lot more sensitive than that of the average Joe,

which can be both a gift and a handicap.

Many olso have special talents and are often creative and unconventional

(even if this is not always recognised or appreciated by others). Do you

have any special talents that you are aware of? Any special interests or

favorite things you enjoy doing?

Inger

new to group

hi i am also new to the group. officially i have pdd but i think i

really have aspergers.i also have deprseeion,high anxiety and a host

of other problems.i dont know if i will fit in here but i will try.it

would be nice to talk to other aspies.

FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the

folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

[Guest guest]

Hi and welcome!

I hope you'll like it here. Feel free to jump into any discussion, to ask

questions, to tell more about yourself if you like or just lurk a bit and

check out the database, articles, photos etc on the forum. In the Links

section, there are some online Aspie-tests that you may find helpful.

I personally don't think there is that much difference between AS, HFA and

PDD and that it depends more on the doctor than on the patient which dx you

end up with. Many of us neuro-atypical also have ADD, ADHD, Tourettes,

dyslexia, LD and it is very common with allergies, epilepsy, depression,

anxiety, social phobia and other phobias. I belive it comes from having a

nervous system that is a lot more sensitive than that of the average Joe,

which can be both a gift and a handicap.

Many olso have special talents and are often creative and unconventional

(even if this is not always recognised or appreciated by others). Do you

have any special talents that you are aware of? Any special interests or

favorite things you enjoy doing?

Inger

new to group

hi i am also new to the group. officially i have pdd but i think i

really have aspergers.i also have deprseeion,high anxiety and a host

of other problems.i dont know if i will fit in here but i will try.it

would be nice to talk to other aspies.

FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the

folder marked " Other FAM Sites. "

[Guest guest]

It is good to have you here.( - ; You are not the only person with more than one diagnosis. Please feel welcome!

geminia1232 wrote:

hi i am also new to the group. officially i have pdd but i think i really have aspergers.i also have deprseeion,high anxiety and a host of other problems.i dont know if i will fit in here but i will try.it would be nice to talk to other aspies.

[Guest guest]

It is good to have you here.( - ; You are not the only person with more than one diagnosis. Please feel welcome!

geminia1232 wrote:

hi i am also new to the group. officially i have pdd but i think i really have aspergers.i also have deprseeion,high anxiety and a host of other problems.i dont know if i will fit in here but i will try.it would be nice to talk to other aspies.

[Guest guest]

It is good to have you here.( - ; You are not the only person with more than one diagnosis. Please feel welcome!

geminia1232 wrote:

hi i am also new to the group. officially i have pdd but i think i really have aspergers.i also have deprseeion,high anxiety and a host of other problems.i dont know if i will fit in here but i will try.it would be nice to talk to other aspies.

[Guest guest]

Welcome.

Uhura

> hi i am also new to the group. officially i have pdd but i think i

> really have aspergers.i also have deprseeion,high anxiety and a host

> of other problems.i dont know if i will fit in here but i will try.it

> would be nice to talk to other aspies.

[Guest guest]

Hi Im lorna gaminia and I have ASpergers too. But Im from wichita Kansas. I go to college here to major in bachlers in general studies. I was dx in the summer of 99. Im 32 and would like to work with other autistics who are more severe. Anyway I was looked at as in my own little world by my family. I had a very hard time getting freinds. I would try makes freinds with new kids in my class but theyd end up being someone elses freind. I would try to sit by them on the bus but verbally I didnt know how to act in a conversation with them. I did want freind. I think kids just saw me as differnet. Some even were teasing me too. Other would seemingly be nice and then talk about me it seemed like. WHo knows I might be wrong. I also had learning isseus too. I was catigorized as mildly retarted. then just seemingly got better. I also have some secory isseus too. noises bothered me and it seems to get worse as I get older. As a kid I didnt hav eas many sencory isseus I dont know why

maybe cause I was so sheltered to where I didnt know what chaos was like if I were arround it alot. I did want to go to freinds houses and got to a few times that were seeminly my freinds then boss me arround at school. Anyway that jsut a wiff of me lol hope to get to know ya. Lornageminia1232 wrote:

hi i am also new to the group. officially i have pdd but i think i really have aspergers.i also have deprseeion,high anxiety and a host of other problems.i dont know if i will fit in here but i will try.it would be nice to talk to other aspies.FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked "Other FAM Sites."

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[Guest guest]

Hi geminia1232,

Welcome home!

I have a feeling that you'll

love it here.

All the best to you, always!

Dwight

> hi i am also new to the group. officially i have pdd but i think i

> really have aspergers.i also have deprseeion,high anxiety and a host

> of other problems.i dont know if i will fit in here but i will try.it

> would be nice to talk to other aspies.

[Guest guest]

Hi Geminia,

I'm Tom, the administrator of these forums. I'd like to welcome you.

We have many different conversations here and I'm sure you'll find

much of interest. You are among friends. We are all about respect,

friendship, and mutual support.

Again...Welcome!

Tom

Administrator.

hi i am also new to the group. officially i have pdd but i think i

really have aspergers.i also have deprseeion,high anxiety and a host

of other problems.i dont know if i will fit in here but i will try.it

would be nice to talk to other aspies.

[Guest guest]

Hi Geminia,

I'm Tom, the administrator of these forums. I'd like to welcome you.

We have many different conversations here and I'm sure you'll find

much of interest. You are among friends. We are all about respect,

friendship, and mutual support.

Again...Welcome!

Tom

Administrator.

hi i am also new to the group. officially i have pdd but i think i

really have aspergers.i also have deprseeion,high anxiety and a host

of other problems.i dont know if i will fit in here but i will try.it

would be nice to talk to other aspies.

[Guest guest]

,

Nice to meet you! I'm , a new nursing student with dreams

of specializing in OB/L & D. I've only been on the groups for a couple

of weeks, but they have some really great informative posts here. I

hope you will enjoy it here too.

Blessings,

(:

>

> Hi guys! My name is , I'm new here. I'm a fairly new L & D

> nurse (Graduated from Nursing school in December and have worked L & D

> since January). I love Labor and Delivery, I've wanted to work in OB

> for as long as I can remember. I live just outside of Dallas, TX in

a

> town called Carrollton and work in Irving (both just outside

dallas).

> I just thought i'd say hi.

>

>

>