Re: UFOs? Nope. They were fighter jets, Air Force says

February 1, 2008

That is where genetic engineering would come in. The aliens could either alter themselves to expand the variety of gravity fields and atmospheres that they could live in. This would be like the aliens in Alien Nation, the movie and TV show. They were a genetically engineered slave race that could function just about anywhere.

The other option would be to alter colonists to better fit certain worlds. This would mean many different races would end up being created from the original race. That could lead to an insular attitude where the different species had little direct contact with others of their own kind, except for the space faring race and occasional visitors.

I see the former as more likely, if it is done at all.

It is also possible that they could build arcologies. These are totally enclosed cities that use technology to make themselves self-sustaining. Perhaps they could build some of these are marginal planets, like we would on Mars and would need only harvest some raw materials to replenish the natural wastage in the support systems.

Again, I think they aren't here simply because it would be too much trouble to try to set up a colony. Then again, maybe they are curious as to how we will turn out and we are a kind of "wildlife preserve' and are off limits to all but the occasional scientific mission.

In a message dated 2/1/2008 6:26:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes:

This brings up an interesting point. It is unlikely that an alien will just fly up to Earth and say "Let's colonize." Our planet would need to have a similar atmosphere to theirs, a similar gravity level, AND be plentiful in whatever elements and resources they need to survive. If humans were to live on another planet with a lower level of gravity, for example, their bones would need to support less weight and so would become more porous over time. If those same humans then return to earth, they would collapse under their own weight with a lot of bone breakage. I could hardly see aliens deciding to colonize earth - or even visit for an extended period of time, without giving cinsiderable forethought about how doing either would affect their own intricate and unique physiognomy.TomAdministratorWho's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.

February 1, 2008

Tom's answer is good. However, we can't yet see earth sized planets, but we should be able to in another few years, at least ones close by. Then we can check the atmospheres and we should be able to tell if there is at least an industrial age civilization there.

As for how long that will last, that is open to speculation. Drake's Equations addresses that.

N = N* fp ne fl fi fc fL

http://www.activemind.com/Mysterious/Topics/SETI/drake_equation.html

The link has the full details on it. Essentially it is an equation to guess at how many civilizations might exist at a given time. These numbers can be large or very small, depending on which variables you choose. On this site it has a calculator so you can play with the equation yourself.

The next thing is communication. Right now there is a program SETI, which listens for radio transmissions. I'm not sure that will ever detect anything because of Drake's Equation and sheer distances. Also, it is possible that the aliens no longer use radio, but gravity ripple communication or something exotic. ON earth, scientists have been able to "teleport" atoms, or to change the state of one atom and have caused that to change the state of a related atom. Perhaps something like this is used for Faster Than Light communications between colony worlds? Sort of a super long range Morse Code machine. In either case, we don't have the technology to listen in.

Does anyone have a guess on how long before they'll be able to figure out if there's unintelligent life on other plantes like dinosaurs?

God bless, Irelan

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February 1, 2008

" Mimi seemed to accidentaly have risen a subject within this one, but I

reply'ed on it anyways, BUT my reply did'nt jump onto the group front

page, like all my other replys? "

Sometimes Yahoo has problems if you are answering from e-mail. If you

signed into the group and your post still did not make it, I am not

sure why that might be. Your best bet is to always sign into the group,

go into Messages, open them up, and reply to them that way.

Tom

Administrator

February 1, 2008

Could be they aliens are all AS people and since our world is mostly NT, they don't like Earth.

TomAdministrator

Maybe we don't have contact with aliens yet because they're smartenough to know better than to have relations with us, professional orotherwise. LOL.

RavenCo-Administrator

February 1, 2008

I agree with you.

I think if there were anything like the Star Trek Federation out

there, they would probably avoid us until we developed interstellar

travel. At present, given the way the world is, we have nothing good

to bring to such a hypothetical federation that a federation of that

type wouldn't already have.

Tom

Administrator

That's what I think. It could be that they are like Star Fleet and

they think we are just too primitive, or more likely we just simply

aren't worth the bother of contacting. My guess is that if they are

around, they have a sort of observation blind of sorts where they can

watch us. One reason why UFO aren't seen like there were in the 1950s

could be that we have so much broadcast noise now that they can

simply watch our TV and Internet from space. If so, that probably

convinces them that were aren't worth bothering with.

February 1, 2008

" If could be that they learn how to travel the stars are go

exploring. It wouldn't take many ships if all they wanted to do was

look and weren't interested in expanding. A fairly small fleet with

the right sensors to pick out star systems with interesting planets

would be all you would need to scour an ever expanding area of space. "

I suppose there could be other beings out there who would be

interested in space travel purely for purposes of exploration.

Personally though, I could really care less what is out there and I

have never understood why mankind has spent so much money propelling

people into space -even for purposes of research. That is why I have

such a problem thinking a more intelligent race would have that same

curiosity. It's a personal viewpoint though.

" Now, they could also be interested in survival. "

That's true, although I think if a race of beings was truly

intelligent, they would figure that when their time is up, it's time

to die. If their sun was going to go super-nova, well, so what? In

terms of the universe, it happens all the time. If there are planets

out there with life on them, then I am sure that many have been

destroyed by supernovae or by spinning into black holes, or by

asteroid collisions, or whatever. It is the circle of life.

Or let's say a species has exhausted all of its resources and needs

to fan out across the galaxy to find new places to live. If they were

truly intelligent, wouldn't they figure that if they were too foolish

to parcel out the resources that they had that perhaps it would not

be a good thing to plunder other planets? Races of this nature are

little more than flesh-eating bacteria, except the " flesh " they are

eating, are resources.

On earth, there seems to be a balance between animals and plants, and

the environment, and if somenthing puts this balance out of whack,

nature intervenes and flattens whatever is causing the problem.

10,000 years ago there were so many cheetah in Africa that they threw

the whole ecosystem out of balance...until they got hit with some

disease that wiped out so many of them that these days, you could

take a cheetah from Israel (yes, they have them there) and a cheetah

from South Africa, and genetically they would be like brother and

sister.

I suspect nature will wipe us out by famine or by disease until our

numbers are sustainable on the earth again, but let's say we went

into space and found some other inhabitable planet. Though it would

take a few milennia for us to blossum into our present population in

terms of numbers, in geologic time, all that would happen in a blink.

That is quite a level of destruction to wreak on some unsuspecting

planet, and I should think we would be wise enough to let ourself die

off if that is what nature of God wanted.

Personally, I do not think we could escape either God or nature, no

matter where we hide.

Tom

Administrator

February 1, 2008

>

> But I'd like to hear more views on that question : >>...that is if

> there actually is intelligent life out there, and it is more

> devoloped than us scientificly and technology wise, what makes you

> think that they would be friendly ??

Well It is possible we could provide interest, like in the form of

research. We like to look at ant colonies. Hee Hee. Or we could be

entertainment (as in ohh did you see that, they just doomed their

entire civilization with that one QUARBAR, what's your view NISSWEM?

and now for YATNUTYN weather;

February 1, 2008

>

> You are forgetting two other motivations: exploration and survival.

>

> If could be that they learn how to travel the stars are go

exploring. It

> wouldn't take many ships if all they wanted to do was look and

weren't

> interested in expanding. A fairly small fleet with the right

sensors to pick out star

> systems with interesting planets would be all you would need to

scour an ever

> expanding area of space.

>

> Now, they could also be interested in survival. You would start

with the

> mode I just mentioned, but when suitable planets are found,

colonists are sent

> out. The reason for this is the more systems you species lives in,

the more

> likely it will be to survive some kind of major catastrophe. Any

number of

> things like a radiation from a supernova is headed for the home

world to a planet

> ruined by war could be a motive. Then again, maybe they would be

just like

> us and expand simply because they could.

>

> In either case, I'm not sure earth would be worth the trouble.

There are so

> many humans, they'd have to wreck the place to get rid of us. It

would be much

> simpler to find another suitable and uninhabited planet to land

on.

>

well changing the environment enough to accomodate a hybrid society

might work too. Lots of weather change and maybe their needs would

require compromising the human strain.. Oh yes i read a LoT of sci

fi. In any case I bet any of those things would fail because it

would be a delicate and long process and they would have to not be

too desperate

February 1, 2008

>

> Could be they aliens are all AS people and since our world is

mostly NT,

> they don't like Earth.

>

> []

>

> Tom

> Administrator

>

> Maybe we don't have contact with aliens yet because they're smart

> enough to know better than to have relations with us, professional

or

> otherwise. LOL.

>

> Raven

> Co-Administrator

>

oh that is plausable, very plausable

February 1, 2008

Does anyone have a guess on how long before they'll be able to figure out if there's unintelligent life on other plantes like dinosaurs? God bless, Irelan

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February 1, 2008

" well changing the environment enough to accomodate a hybrid society

might work too. Lots of weather change and maybe their needs would

require compromising the human strain.. Oh yes i read a LoT of sci

fi. In any case I bet any of those things would fail because it

would be a delicate and long process and they would have to not be

too desperate "

This brings up an interesting point. It is unlikely that an alien

will just fly up to Earth and say " Let's colonize. "

Our planet would need to have a similar atmosphere to theirs, a

similar gravity level, AND be plentiful in whatever elements and

resources they need to survive.

If humans were to live on another planet with a lower level of

gravity, for example, their bones would need to support less weight

and so would become more porous over time. If those same humans then

return to earth, they would collapse under their own weight with a

lot of bone breakage.

I could hardly see aliens deciding to colonize earth - or even visit

for an extended period of time, without giving cinsiderable

forethought about how doing either would affect their own intricate

and unique physiognomy.

Tom

Administrator

February 1, 2008

" well changing the environment enough to accomodate a hybrid society

might work too. Lots of weather change and maybe their needs would

require compromising the human strain.. Oh yes i read a LoT of sci

fi. In any case I bet any of those things would fail because it

would be a delicate and long process and they would have to not be

too desperate "

This brings up an interesting point. It is unlikely that an alien

will just fly up to Earth and say " Let's colonize. "

Our planet would need to have a similar atmosphere to theirs, a

similar gravity level, AND be plentiful in whatever elements and

resources they need to survive.

If humans were to live on another planet with a lower level of

gravity, for example, their bones would need to support less weight

and so would become more porous over time. If those same humans then

return to earth, they would collapse under their own weight with a

lot of bone breakage.

I could hardly see aliens deciding to colonize earth - or even visit

for an extended period of time, without giving cinsiderable

forethought about how doing either would affect their own intricate

and unique physiognomy.

Tom

Administrator

February 1, 2008

" Does anyone have a guess on how long before they'll be able to

figure out if there's unintelligent life on other plantes like

dinosaurs?

God bless, Irelan "

I know that scientists can do spectral analysis of the light waves

that bounce off planets' surfaces, and from these analyses they can

determine whether or not that planet has water. If a planet has

water, then there is a chance it could have life similar to that here

on earth. I believe that is the limit of science today. I would not

care to speculate on how long it would be until scientists could

figure out whether or not there was unintelligent life on other

planets, but one way to figure it out would be to somehow try and

ascertain the level of cabon monoxide and carbon dioxide levels on

those planets.

Too much of the former and all animal and plant life would die. An

indication of the latter could be indicative of the burning of fossil

fuels, or the exhalation of breath, although there would be no real

way to determine whether it was any of these things or just natural

phenomena.

Tom

Administrator

February 2, 2008

Wow! Thats a lot of very good replys :-)

I'll give it another angle after this " summary " :

Good Scenario's : They're just exploring, like friendly scientists. We

ai'nt worth the bother, we're like what the stoneage is to us, It

might be fun or interesting to watch us develop very slowly. : In

another milenia, when we after all has developed interstellar travel,

we might prosper from getting into some kind of interstellar union.

Bad scenario's : The'yre in need of a new planet….. We ca'nt agree

with the interstellar politics, and it'll end up in another war…

However, some of us might survive as interstellar nomads or something.

If they were to step out on our planet, it might also be that they

unwhitingly brought bacteria normal to them, that would wipe us out

before we could do anything.

I tend to think that it is correct that nature has I'ts own

" safetyvalve " in pandemics and so on, but I tend to think that " mother

natures " problem now is that we are getting too advanced scientificly,

so we're inventing vaccines, and other ways to not get infected at all…

Our planet is actually already getting overpopulated right now, due to

our own development… our numbers is increasing, wild life is getting

sqeezed and killed off …

To slow our progress, we will have to get hit by something really

cataclysmic, an asteorite or a super vulcano throwing us into an new

ice age, but that's, all up to destiny. –It might be that it dos'nt

come before we're so devoleped that we can do something about it, and

there will be done something about it if it is an option, our super

powers(USA, Russia, and China is coming up) will not sit on their

hands, it they got the possibility to spot an asteorite and blow it up

before the fragments could reach us. – I think.

And that's where my next queation enters : How do you think mankind is

gonna behave, the further we get into space?? –Remember, the first

people that gets out there finding or meeting something or somebody,

will most likely have been sent there by USA, Russia, or China…. They

don't go there with an all open super friendly mind, they go there to

find fuel or other minerals, -or looking for a new planet when we(or

they, the superpowers) truly has wrecked this one….

Funnily, I have'nt got a direct answer to my question off where the

ecitement in getting contact with another world is, underlining that I

wrote ealier; I don't think it is smart to try to get radio contact

and what else activities there is going on.

Regarding visgoth, hav'ent we seen planets like earth? I mean that

I've seen on the news that the Hubble telescope was focused on a

seemingly empty spot in space, within the past 2 years, and low and

behold there was planet that could look like ours, with a similar

sun-system …

Regards :-)

February 3, 2008

Sounds like they are describing a wrist watch to me. Creative little story.

Just for fun - a bit of silly fiction.I have come across a strange human phenomenon. I have noticed that humans, particularly adult humans have a strange device strapped to their wrist; usually on the left wrist. I have seen them occasionally glancing at this device â€“ are they checking to see that it's still there? What is the significance of this object? Sometimes after they have glanced at this device, they suddenly become very hurried, I do not know why? I wonder if it is some sort of communicating device? If so what information is it providing them with? And how? Is it communicating by telepathy? Is it connected to the human brain somehow? Perhaps a biological implant of some sort? The separate devices differ and are not all alike. Are the differences to signify perhaps different classes of human? I do notice that the younger adults tend to have more brightly coloured devices. There are many theories as to what this device is, but still we are uncertain/unclear as to exactly what it could be. There is the theory that this is not a device, but perhaps some form of parasite that controls the human, not unlike the `fernaldy' of `Opsinus 9'. Though there is no proof for or against this theory other than we have seen parasite attacks similar to this on other planets. There is also the possibility that this is a form of tagging device and if so by whom? It is known that the earth has been visited before by other planets occupants (some who share their information with us, but others that we are well aware have unknown motives and will not communicate with us). It is hard to know whether to intervene and it is obvious that more information will need to be amassed before we proceed. I will forward a detailed report as soon as possible for your perusal. I eagerly await your instructions.Yours Agnormasly, Zogas.> >> > > > But I'd like to hear more views on that question : >>...that is if> > there actually is intelligent life out there, and it is more> > devoloped than us scientificly and technology wise, what makes you> > think that they would be friendly ??> > > Well It is possible we could provide interest, like in the form of > research. We like to look at ant colonies. Hee Hee. Or we could be > entertainment (as in ohh did you see that, they just doomed their > entire civilization with that one QUARBAR, what's your view NISSWEM? > and now for YATNUTYN weather;> Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.

February 3, 2008

Sounds like they are describing a wrist watch to me. Creative little story.

Just for fun - a bit of silly fiction.I have come across a strange human phenomenon. I have noticed that humans, particularly adult humans have a strange device strapped to their wrist; usually on the left wrist. I have seen them occasionally glancing at this device â€“ are they checking to see that it's still there? What is the significance of this object? Sometimes after they have glanced at this device, they suddenly become very hurried, I do not know why? I wonder if it is some sort of communicating device? If so what information is it providing them with? And how? Is it communicating by telepathy? Is it connected to the human brain somehow? Perhaps a biological implant of some sort? The separate devices differ and are not all alike. Are the differences to signify perhaps different classes of human? I do notice that the younger adults tend to have more brightly coloured devices. There are many theories as to what this device is, but still we are uncertain/unclear as to exactly what it could be. There is the theory that this is not a device, but perhaps some form of parasite that controls the human, not unlike the `fernaldy' of `Opsinus 9'. Though there is no proof for or against this theory other than we have seen parasite attacks similar to this on other planets. There is also the possibility that this is a form of tagging device and if so by whom? It is known that the earth has been visited before by other planets occupants (some who share their information with us, but others that we are well aware have unknown motives and will not communicate with us). It is hard to know whether to intervene and it is obvious that more information will need to be amassed before we proceed. I will forward a detailed report as soon as possible for your perusal. I eagerly await your instructions.Yours Agnormasly, Zogas.> >> > > > But I'd like to hear more views on that question : >>...that is if> > there actually is intelligent life out there, and it is more> > devoloped than us scientificly and technology wise, what makes you> > think that they would be friendly ??> > > Well It is possible we could provide interest, like in the form of > research. We like to look at ant colonies. Hee Hee. Or we could be > entertainment (as in ohh did you see that, they just doomed their > entire civilization with that one QUARBAR, what's your view NISSWEM? > and now for YATNUTYN weather;> Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.

February 3, 2008

Just for fun - a bit of silly fiction.

I have come across a strange human phenomenon. I have noticed that

humans, particularly adult humans have a strange device strapped to

their wrist; usually on the left wrist. I have seen them occasionally

glancing at this device – are they checking to see that it's still

there? What is the significance of this object? Sometimes after they

have glanced at this device, they suddenly become very hurried, I do

not know why? I wonder if it is some sort of communicating device? If

so what information is it providing them with? And how? Is it

communicating by telepathy? Is it connected to the human brain somehow?

Perhaps a biological implant of some sort? The separate devices differ

and are not all alike. Are the differences to signify perhaps different

classes of human? I do notice that the younger adults tend to have more

brightly coloured devices. There are many theories as to what this

device is, but still we are uncertain/unclear as to exactly what it

could be. There is the theory that this is not a device, but perhaps

some form of parasite that controls the human, not unlike

the `fernaldy' of `Opsinus 9'. Though there is no proof for or against

this theory other than we have seen parasite attacks similar to this on

other planets. There is also the possibility that this is a form of

tagging device and if so by whom? It is known that the earth has been

visited before by other planets occupants (some who share their

information with us, but others that we are well aware have unknown

motives and will not communicate with us). It is hard to know whether

to intervene and it is obvious that more information will need to be

amassed before we proceed. I will forward a detailed report as soon as

possible for your perusal. I eagerly await your instructions.

Yours Agnormasly,

Zogas.

> >

> > But I'd like to hear more views on that question : >>...that is if

> > there actually is intelligent life out there, and it is more

> > devoloped than us scientificly and technology wise, what makes you

> > think that they would be friendly ??

>

> Well It is possible we could provide interest, like in the form of

> research. We like to look at ant colonies. Hee Hee. Or we could be

> entertainment (as in ohh did you see that, they just doomed their

> entire civilization with that one QUARBAR, what's your view NISSWEM?

> and now for YATNUTYN weather;

>

February 3, 2008

hm? I'll try to post this again? :