Lyme Disease

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

You have touched on another topic that I know too much about.

First let me tell you about the best site I know www.Lymenet.org.

Secondly, Yes I have had lyme and was treated not once but three times on IV

antibiotics. The symptoms are alarmingly similar to the psoriatic arthritis,

and thus the confusion. In my case, however, I have had the psoriasis for so

long, I do not doubt I have PA- but I also had Lyme too.

The current blood tests for Lyme are not accurate. The diagnosis for Lyme is

a CLINICAL one. In otherwords- the doc assesses everything- even if your

test is negative- you could still have Lyme

disease.

It is a spirochete like its famous cousin syphilis. It apparently hides

inside nerve cells - in the brain and can sneak out and become active again-

even when you have been supposedly " cured " for a while. There are some

doctors who feel there is no cure for Lyme, and there are others who feel

that the patients who have " chronic Lyme " are just malingerers. It is quite

a huge debate- let me tell you.

If at all possible, I try to avoid arguing on the list about Lyme, Chronic

Fatigue and Fibromyalgia- these three topics are very controversial.

I do support getting checked out for Lyme disease- absolutely- especially if

you are in an endemic area and especially if you never had psoriasis, let

alone PA before.

Once you start reading up on Lyme, you will soon figure out that there are

what are called " Lyme Literate doctors " and most other doctors are considered

in the dark

(or denial) with regards to Lyme. How you are treated depends largely on who

you decide to see regarding whether you have Lyme.

It is no way as simple as " I will just get a blood test... "

Good Luck to all who have to travel down this very thorny path-- I did a few

years ago and it was no fun!!

[Guest guest]

This is my letter to the writer of the Phila Inquirer and his reply to me.

Think he got the message about the ALDF???

Dear Ms. Dickey,

Thanks for your note and the additional information about Lyme disease. I've

gotten several e-mail messages critical of the ALDF. I don't know if the

allegations against it are true, but you should know that the enthusiastic

endorsement of exercise is pure Ed Angelo. It's not ALDF propaganda because

I never spoke to anyone there.

I appreciate your taking the time to write and your cautionary words about

aerobic exercise.

Sincerely,

Art Carey

LYME DISEASE

Mr. Carey

I was so happy to see your article on Lyme Disease and

exercise.....until I

read your recommendation to see the ALDF! Not everyone is as lucky as

Mr.

Angleo and exercise can be detrimental to those folks with Lyme Disease

that

have severe fatigue and heart complications. Exercise is important for

those

recovering but should be supervised by a Physical Therapist, and must

not

involve any aerobic activity until a certain state of wellness has been

achieved. Your article makes it sound as if one only needs the " desire "

to

get well and they will. More erroneous propaganda by the ADLF.

If you would like to get the real scoop on Lyme Disease see:

<A HREF= " http://www.lyme.org/ " >Lyme Disease Foundation, Inc.</A>

http://www.lyme.org/index2.html

<A

HREF= " http://www2.lymenet.org/domino/file.nsf/UID/guidelines " >Burrascano

Guidelines The New Lyme Disease</A>

http://www2.lymenet.org/domino/file.nsf/UID/guidelines

Maybe you will see some of the headlines regarding the March on

Washington on

5/3/00 and understand what a financial and political mess Lyme Disease

is.

Constance Dickey RN

Hampden, Maine 04444

[Guest guest]

This is my letter to the writer of the Phila Inquirer and his reply to me.

Think he got the message about the ALDF???

Dear Ms. Dickey,

Thanks for your note and the additional information about Lyme disease. I've

gotten several e-mail messages critical of the ALDF. I don't know if the

allegations against it are true, but you should know that the enthusiastic

endorsement of exercise is pure Ed Angelo. It's not ALDF propaganda because

I never spoke to anyone there.

I appreciate your taking the time to write and your cautionary words about

aerobic exercise.

Sincerely,

Art Carey

LYME DISEASE

Mr. Carey

I was so happy to see your article on Lyme Disease and

exercise.....until I

read your recommendation to see the ALDF! Not everyone is as lucky as

Mr.

Angleo and exercise can be detrimental to those folks with Lyme Disease

that

have severe fatigue and heart complications. Exercise is important for

those

recovering but should be supervised by a Physical Therapist, and must

not

involve any aerobic activity until a certain state of wellness has been

achieved. Your article makes it sound as if one only needs the " desire "

to

get well and they will. More erroneous propaganda by the ADLF.

If you would like to get the real scoop on Lyme Disease see:

<A HREF= " http://www.lyme.org/ " >Lyme Disease Foundation, Inc.</A>

http://www.lyme.org/index2.html

<A

HREF= " http://www2.lymenet.org/domino/file.nsf/UID/guidelines " >Burrascano

Guidelines The New Lyme Disease</A>

http://www2.lymenet.org/domino/file.nsf/UID/guidelines

Maybe you will see some of the headlines regarding the March on

Washington on

5/3/00 and understand what a financial and political mess Lyme Disease

is.

Constance Dickey RN

Hampden, Maine 04444

[Guest guest]

Hap,

Great letter, glad you explained the difference between ALDF & LDF - yes I

think you got the point across, very well! Vicki, MD

This is my letter to the writer of the Phila Inquirer and his reply to me.

Think he got the message about the ALDF???

[Guest guest]

Hap,

Great letter, glad you explained the difference between ALDF & LDF - yes I

think you got the point across, very well! Vicki, MD

This is my letter to the writer of the Phila Inquirer and his reply to me.

Think he got the message about the ALDF???

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/30/00 2:22:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Loveyonlyme@... writes:

<< To Whom It May Concern:

>>

LOVEY, this was very well said and written. Good work. Carol F. in MI

[Guest guest]

Have you heard of Cecile Jadin in SA. She treats chronic Rickettsial

infections (she thinks she doesn't treat Lyme but I think she does without

knowing it), might be worth searching her out. She's in Randburg, I think.

Nelly

[ ] Lyme disease

> I believe my wife to be suffering from Lyme disease (Lyme

> neuroborreliosis) - acquired whilst staying with our daughter in

> Hampshire, England.

> Physicians here in South Africa have little knowledge or experience

> of either diagnosing or treating this condition.

> Can anyone give me the name & address (physical or e-mail) of a

> specialist physician (consultant) in U.K. who has knowledge &

> experience of Lyme disease.

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[Guest guest]

Stick with it Roseanne! I've just come out of over 6 months of severe ankle

pain so that I could hardly walk. Now I'm walking again and doing better

all the time, (with a few minor downs on the way!)

I've been on Minocycline and Doxycycline for 18 months. I was just on the

Mino but halved it and added the doxy when I started getting black patches

on my legs and teeth. (At least I know it's getting into the tissues!)

Gail

> From: Roseanne Omalacy <rosesattic1@...>

> Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2001 06:00:20 -0700 (PDT)

> rheumatic

> Subject: rheumatic Lyme disease

>

> Hello, Anybody that has info on Lyme disease, feel

> free to email the info to me personally if not posting

> it on the board. I saw that Doxycycline is used for

> Lyme treatment. I was just wondering if Minocycline

> would have an effect on it as well since it is a

> tetracycline. I couldn't find any info on why Doxy is

> used. Makes you wonder when people switch to doxy

> because Mino isn't working for them-maybe Lyme is a

> possibility! I am still herxing from the Minocycline.

> Anybody else herx for 6 months or more?? My doc said I

> should know by now if it's helping but its just been 1

> big herx. Should that mean it is working and I should

> just hold on or switch to doxy? Any opinions? I see

> my doc Monday and he's not real happy about my herxing

> for 6 months. He feels that I should be seeing some

> improvement by now. He also leaves all decisions up

> to me so, help!

> ~Roseanne~

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

HI Roseanne, I was away for the weekend. There are three leading doctors in

the treatment of lyme and one prefers Doxy, the other uses mino and the

third uses tetracycline (least favored). I herxed with both but use doxy

because of insurance.

Rosemary, you are right to assume there is Lyme everywhere. Think of the

multiple types of transmitssion: my husband and kids have lyme from me, ie

human to human contact as well as congenital. Some researchers say it can

be transmitted by flys and mosquetos, birds, fleas and mice...People may

ask " If everyone has Lyme why donb't we know about it? " Testing is not good.

HMOs and insurance companies DO NOT want a diagnosis because they will have

to pay for treatments! Doctors are afraid of angering the establishment.

Finally the system has no incentive to CURING autoimmune disorders with

inexpensive antibiotics when they can develop patented immune suppressent

drugs ie gravy train. SORRY FOR THE RANT!!

What suprised me about the LYme is that it usually doesn't end there. I

also have a number of tick-born co-infections like Ehrlichiosis, and

Babesiosis, which are equally bad as Lyme. What is nice is that I believ

tetracycline family should cover many of these....not the magic bullet and

impossible to " cookbook " the recipe since each person is different and has

different pathogens.

The treatment protocal for Lyme and the AP protocal are very

similar...except dosages and Lymies often use IV (intervenious quite often

is its chronic) The aabx (antibioitic) might be biaxin, cefting, doxy, mino,

zith, rocephin, cipro or a cocktail of these, and also flagyl. Flagyl is an

interesting antiameobic that the Arthritis Trust Foundation recommends to

treat RA. I find it interesting because many Lymies prefer (and claim to be

cured) using flagyl. Some say it can have nasty side effects, but it is

something I use from time to time (in my warchest). YOu may want to read

that protocal. Look under Arthritis Trust Foundation of America and then

Free Living Ameoba at the below link. This is an amazing website:

1. Alternative Groups & Organizations

Organizations,Support Groups & Schools We present this data for your

information only. A listing in this directory does not constitute an

endorsement. The information a group provides is not a substitute for

diagnosis and treatment by a

www.garynull.com

Gook luck. Sounds like the minocin is working. kathy

rheumatic Lyme disease

>>

>> Hello, Anybody that has info on Lyme disease, feel

>> free to email the info to me personally if not posting

>> it on the board. I saw that Doxycycline is used for

>> Lyme treatment. I was just wondering if Minocycline

>> would have an effect on it as well since it is a

>> tetracycline. I couldn't find any info on why Doxy is

>> used. Makes you wonder when people switch to doxy

>> because Mino isn't working for them-maybe Lyme is a

>> possibility! I am still herxing from the Minocycline.

>> Anybody else herx for 6 months or more?? My doc said I

>> should know by now if it's helping but its just been 1

>> big herx. Should that mean it is working and I should

>> just hold on or switch to doxy? Any opinions? I see

>> my doc Monday and he's not real happy about my herxing

>> for 6 months. He feels that I should be seeing some

>> improvement by now. He also leaves all decisions up

>> to me so, help!

>> ~Roseanne~

>>

>> __________________________________________________

>>

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone,

I am in desprite need of any tetimonials or information concerning

Lyme disease. My daughter was bitten by a tick and the area sure

looks like Lyme to me. She had been on a parisite cleanse, before

the bite, and still is. I'm thinking that is the reason why there are

no symptoms, ie: tiredness, flu like symptoms. Has anyone out there

experienced this disease or has worked with someone who has? I would

like to follow a natural protocall if possible. Any help would be

much appreciated. Thanks for reading my post.

Debbie

[Guest guest]

I have no experience, but there was a good article in one of the most

recent issues of Alternative Health magazine that may be found on

their website.

Steve---

In Dr@y..., avens4@a... wrote:

> Hello everyone,

> I am in desprite need of any tetimonials or information concerning

> Lyme disease. My daughter was bitten by a tick and the area sure

> looks like Lyme to me. She had been on a parisite cleanse, before

> the bite, and still is. I'm thinking that is the reason why there

are

> no symptoms, ie: tiredness, flu like symptoms. Has anyone out

there

> experienced this disease or has worked with someone who has? I

would

> like to follow a natural protocall if possible. Any help would be

> much appreciated. Thanks for reading my post.

> Debbie

[Guest guest]

Hi!

Are you a member of the Dr. Research Association? In the November,

2000 Bulletin, Amrein detailed plate-zapping. He illustratively gave

the example of Lyme disease on page 4. " If he (your doctor) tells you that

you have Borrelia (lyme Disease), you could place a Borrelia slide on the

zapper plate and zap. " A slide of the bacterium, Borrelia, can be

obtained at Carolina Biologicals or probably at Ward's.

Hope you can annihilate Lyme disease!!!

Sally

[Guest guest]

Rick-- Before I was pregnant, I had a telltale bite mark on my leg

that developed the bullseye ring around it. I was put on antibiotics

but only a two week course, and to be quite honest, I was only maybe

19 at the time, 21 at the oldest, and I was not diligent about taking

those meds. I probably stretched it out to three weeks with all my

forgetting to take the pills...

Is there any chance that I could have latent Lyme disease, AND is it

possible that I could have passed it on to my son. He is not

autistic, but has sensory integration dysfunction, low muscle tone,

hypersensitivities, and periodically goes through periods of high

mood/activity--kinda " crazy " acting.

I would appreciate your thoughts and where to go with this. I live

in Western WA.

W

> Absolutely. Simple blood tests. Western blot comes to mind, but

there are

> several others. Find a LYME LITERATE doctor in your area. Do a

google

> search for the LYME 800 # and they should be able to help.

>

> What part of the world are you located?

>

> >zithromax?Lyme Disease

>

[Guest guest]

Be sure that he was tested for co-infections....Babeiosis causes night

sweats...There is a whole list of tick-borne co-infections and its

important to treat them.

Hang in there...hopefully things will get better now that you know about

the Lyme. It may take a while.

I would strongly advise that you make sure that your Doctors are Lyme

Literate...and if not, change doctors!!

Melina

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[ ] Lyme Disease

My brother was diagnosed with Lyme disesae 3 weeks ago and is on

1500mg of Amoxcylian daily. He has been ill for 10 months with

excrutiating pains and symptoms which I know you can all identify

with.

He was origionally treated with steroids for auto immune conditions

such as temporal arterities, polymyaglia and vascilitis. And

unfortunately has to be weaned off this medication slowly

He is about to be admitted to hospital for tests as he has now

developed aneurysms in his fore arm and neck.

Scince April he has suffered with really big night sweats where he

has to change his clothes and bed clothes several time a night- can

any one identify with this symptom - it seems to puzzle the doctors?

He thinks that the sweats precede a flare up, which happens about

every 3 weeks and lasts for over 2 weeks so he has only a few days

remission.

Many thanks - we look forward to anyones comments,

[Guest guest]

We are patients of Dr. C in MO. He is definitely lyme-literate, and we are

addressing co-infections as well.

Good job on the info though. I appreciate your taking the time to care.

Later,

Carol

[ ] Lyme Disease

My brother was diagnosed with Lyme disesae 3 weeks ago and is on

1500mg of Amoxcylian daily. He has been ill for 10 months with

excrutiating pains and symptoms which I know you can all identify

with.

He was origionally treated with steroids for auto immune conditions

such as temporal arterities, polymyaglia and vascilitis. And

unfortunately has to be weaned off this medication slowly

He is about to be admitted to hospital for tests as he has now

developed aneurysms in his fore arm and neck.

Scince April he has suffered with really big night sweats where he

has to change his clothes and bed clothes several time a night- can

any one identify with this symptom - it seems to puzzle the doctors?

He thinks that the sweats precede a flare up, which happens about

every 3 weeks and lasts for over 2 weeks so he has only a few days

remission.

Many thanks - we look forward to anyones comments,

[Guest guest]

Make sure they test for the other co-infections that go with Lyme

Erlichiosis, and Babeosis. They both come from ticks, and are often passed

along with Lyme. Babeosis frequently causes night sweats like that. b

>From: " billybeau1987 " <billybeau1987@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: [ ] Lyme Disease

>Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:02:17 -0000

>

>My brother was diagnosed with Lyme disesae 3 weeks ago and is on

>1500mg of Amoxcylian daily. He has been ill for 10 months with

>excrutiating pains and symptoms which I know you can all identify

>with.

>

>He was origionally treated with steroids for auto immune conditions

>such as temporal arterities, polymyaglia and vascilitis. And

>unfortunately has to be weaned off this medication slowly

>

>He is about to be admitted to hospital for tests as he has now

>developed aneurysms in his fore arm and neck.

>

>Scince April he has suffered with really big night sweats where he

>has to change his clothes and bed clothes several time a night- can

>any one identify with this symptom - it seems to puzzle the doctors?

>He thinks that the sweats precede a flare up, which happens about

>every 3 weeks and lasts for over 2 weeks so he has only a few days

>remission.

>

>Many thanks - we look forward to anyones comments,

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

There is one in Mobile, AL which isn't very close.

H.

Does anyone know of any doctors in Alabama (around the Birmingham

area) who specalize in Lyme Disease treatment? Or even close the

this area?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

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[Guest guest]

send link to article mention below

" Male Hypogonadism in Chronic Lyme Disease-Practical

Office Evaluation, Testing, Treatment, and Results in 15 Patients "

thanks

TC

Lyme Disease

Came across this paper by Dr. Shippen while looking for his

website. " Male Hypogonadism in Chronic Lyme Disease-Practical

Office Evaluation, Testing, Treatment, and Results in 15 Patients "

Anyone know anything about this? Is there a connection between Lyme

and hypogonadism? I live in tick land and have been bitten several

times. Once had some sort of reaction/rash but not a target

pattern. Perhaps a Lyme disease test is in order for me as well.

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:19:23 -0000, you wrote:

>

>Came across this paper by Dr. Shippen while looking for his

>website. " Male Hypogonadism in Chronic Lyme Disease—Practical

>Office Evaluation, Testing, Treatment, and Results in 15 Patients "

>

>Anyone know anything about this? Is there a connection between Lyme

>and hypogonadism? I live in tick land and have been bitten several

>times. Once had some sort of reaction/rash but not a target

>pattern. Perhaps a Lyme disease test is in order for me as well.

Thanks for posting this. I had lyme and I've wondered if there's a

connection.

Have you got the paper of a link to it? I only find a reference to

Shippen presenting it at a conference on the 23rd. (He's presenting it

in Rye NY for those interested and close.)

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:tFR6XygmiNsJ:www.ilads.org/agenda_04.pdf+Ma\

le+Hypogonadism+in+Chronic+Lyme+Disease & hl=en

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:57:15 -0700, you wrote:

>send link to article mention below

>

> " Male Hypogonadism in Chronic Lyme Disease-Practical

>Office Evaluation, Testing, Treatment, and Results in 15 Patients "

>

>thanks

Perhaps someone with Shippen's e-mail address could ask him to forward

a copy for posting in our files section?

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:19:23 -0000, you wrote:

>

>

>

>Came across this paper by Dr. Shippen while looking for his

>website. " Male Hypogonadism in Chronic Lyme Disease—Practical

>Office Evaluation, Testing, Treatment, and Results in 15 Patients "

In looking for this I find this article as well:

Andrologia

Vol. 34 Issue 3 Page 162 June 2002

Late Lyme disease masking a non-functioning adenoma of the anterior

lobe of the pituitary gland

M Möhrenschlager, F.-M Köhn, M Bauer, L Schaaf, H Hofmann, J Ring

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1046/j.1439-0272.2002.00483.x/abs/\

;jsessionid=b5aFmsY9PAv-

Unfortuantely it takes a subscription to read on line.

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Just another albino black sheep

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You sound just like me! I was just diagnosed with Borrelia (Lyme Disease) and I

am Hypothyroid (I had it removed about 6 years ago) and I have high levels of

Epstein Barr Virus (CFS) showing up right now. That isn't even all I have going

on, but a lot of the symptoms overlap. I almost didn't even get the Lyme test

because it was so expensive and I had to pay for it upfront, but the dr thought

I might have it and I do fit the description, so I got the Bowen test (not

related to me). Very reliable and they test extensively! They found I have the

worst case of it that you can have and that shows that I have had it at least 6

months but I could have had it for 10-15 years! That is how long I have had

symptoms. Feel free to e-mail me off list if you like at

trbowen@...

Lyme Disease

HI

I know its not5 about hypothyroid stuff but I was wondering if any

of you who hav been diagnosed with ME/CFS because tiyr thyroid

result was normal have got this Lyme bug (Borrelia). This can cause

neurological symptoms too as well as joint pain, fatigue and a host

of other symptoms. Apparently it is har to diagnose as many people

who have it still get a negative test as they are unreliable. A lot

of doctors dont even test for it apparently either! So, for me I am

trying to work out if I have a chronic infection going on such as

Lyme or if it is my thyroid. It is difficult to try and puzzle out

[Guest guest]

tracy

can you email me your email address to martinpianist@...

I can't see all of your email. So, how did your CFS start? Were you

in fact diagnosed with ME/CFS? And do you have any neurological

symptoms like losing your balance and feeling a bit weird and brain

fog? I don't have much pain or headaches but I can feel achey all

over sometimes like when you have just had the flu for 3 or 4 days

and you feel a bit better but you kind of feel a bit achey still all

over. That is about as much pain as I get and sometimes I don't feel

that even but I have these funny brain problems. It got a bit better

recently and it may be because I took some metronidazole, but not

sure. So whether it is infection or thyroid or something else I

don't really know. I know I have some mycoplasma and chlamydia

though as I took a PCR and it showed I had an old infection. Maybe

this is the problem. But my GP is not really interested as he

doesn't know what to do.

martin

martin

> Hi ,

> You sound just like me! I was just diagnosed with Borrelia (Lyme

Disease) and I am Hypothyroid (I had it removed about 6 years ago)

and I have high levels of Epstein Barr Virus (CFS) showing up right

now. That isn't even all I have going on, but a lot of the symptoms

overlap. I almost didn't even get the Lyme test because it was so

expensive and I had to pay for it upfront, but the dr thought I

might have it and I do fit the description, so I got the Bowen test

(not related to me). Very reliable and they test extensively! They

found I have the worst case of it that you can have and that shows

that I have had it at least 6 months but I could have had it for 10-

15 years! That is how long I have had symptoms. Feel free to e-

mail me off list if you like at trbowen@c...

>

>

> Lyme Disease

>

>

>

> HI

>

> I know its not5 about hypothyroid stuff but I was wondering if

any

> of you who hav been diagnosed with ME/CFS because tiyr thyroid

> result was normal have got this Lyme bug (Borrelia). This can

cause

> neurological symptoms too as well as joint pain, fatigue and a

host

> of other symptoms. Apparently it is har to diagnose as many

people

> who have it still get a negative test as they are unreliable. A

lot

> of doctors dont even test for it apparently either! So, for me I

am

> trying to work out if I have a chronic infection going on such

as

> Lyme or if it is my thyroid. It is difficult to try and puzzle

out

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Guptka mentioned that an unnamed person claimed that he used a $25

Radio Shack degausser to relieve back pain. Directions for degaussing say to

use for 5 minutes and let cool for 30 minutes. Basically it is an electro

magnet, don't know whether the current is converted to dc or not.

Dick

Lyme Disease

>

>

> Thank you for your helpful replies. I am in relatively good shape for

> a person with Lyme. All my training in natural health came in very

> handy when I got sick, but it still has been a crazy grueling uphill

> two year struggle to get as well as I am now. I read my tongue

> regularly, as I have figured out that the location of the purple spots

> I get on my tongue correlate with where the Lyme cysts seem to be

> hiding in my body. If I am reading my tongue right, I probably still

> have the bacteria hiding in my brain or region of the head. The

> aromatherapy I use is supposed to cross the blood brain barrier, so it

> is extremely helpful. I read a post about a tv degausser being used

> similarly to a magnetic pulser somewhere on the internet, does anybody

> have an opinion about that? Thank you for your feedback. I will be

> sure to post any effects I get once I start using the godzilla machine.

>

> Farah

>

>

>

>

>

>

> The group's main page has a menu to the left, with photos of Godzilla

> devices and info. This is a discussion, free speech forum, not medical

> advice. All info is free to members. Membership is free, but by joing,

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> We are interested in your results, but cannot say anything about

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> your understanding, good luck researching. --bG

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