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When I first got sick, I had a rash on my leg which looked something like a

bulls-eye rash. Dr wasn't sure if it was and put me on tetracycline for 14

days. After I finished the tetracycline, I was still having symptoms. The dr

felt if I had lyme, he cured me with 14 days of tetracycline and told me I had

CFIDS. But 18 months later I tested positive for lyme and was treated with IV

antibiotics and oral antibiotics. I felt better while on the antiobiotics and

my joint pain improved a lot. But once off antibiotics for a while, I got

worse. Drs then said I no longer had lyme disease but that I now had

autoimmune problems. Some drs say that I never had lyme (that tests were

false positive) and that I had autoimmune problems/connective tissue disease

all along. Others believe that lyme may have triggered autoimmune/connective

tissue disease problems. I still wonder if I have chronic lyme disease, still

active, which also caused autoimmune problems. I am going to have lyme test

repeated again. I am on doxycycline and think it is helping whether for lyme

or connective tissue disease, although with lyme I think the dosage is higher.

I wish the tests for lyme were 100% reliable. I think too many drs, at least

here in the US, dismiss lyme as a diagnosis or feel that it is easily curable

which I don't think is always the case.

Carol E from NY

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Can someone more knowledgable than me please help this gentleman? Sure

would appreciate it!!!

His e-mail is mikeyookie@...

>

> Hi,

> my name is and I attend Glen Waverley Secondary College in

> Melbourne Australia. I am currently in year 11. I was wondering if you

> would be kind enough to send me some information on Lyme disease. This

> could include: -

> -damage caused to the host organism

> -characteristics of the pathogen

> -techniques used by the host to survive

>

> If you are unable to send me this information, I will understand. If

> you do send it to me, I would be most grateful.

> Sincerely yours,

> Ng

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I sent him to Georgia. She is finder (and keeper) of Lyme medical texts on

the Lyme NG.

> >From: " " <jeand@...>

> >Can someone more knowledgable than me please help this gentleman? Sure

> >would appreciate it!!! His e-mail is mikeyookie@...

> >> Hi,

> >> my name is and I attend Glen Waverley Secondary College in

> >> Melbourne Australia. I am currently in year 11. I was wondering if you

> >> would be kind enough to send me some information on Lyme disease. This

> >> could include: -

> >> -damage caused to the host organism

> >> -characteristics of the pathogen

> >> -techniques used by the host to survive

> >>

> >> If you are unable to send me this information, I will understand. If

> >> you do send it to me, I would be most grateful.

> >> Sincerely yours,

> >> Ng

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I wish I could help this guy, but I really don't know all that much about

anything. Have you tried posting this to the Lyme newsgroup, or is that

where you got it from? In the meantime I will send him Tom Grier's essay on

" The Complexities of Lyme. "

Marta

-

>From: " " <jeand@...>

>

>Can someone more knowledgable than me please help this gentleman? Sure

>would appreciate it!!!

>

>His e-mail is mikeyookie@...

>

>>

>> Hi,

>> my name is and I attend Glen Waverley Secondary College in

>> Melbourne Australia. I am currently in year 11. I was wondering if you

>> would be kind enough to send me some information on Lyme disease. This

>> could include: -

>> -damage caused to the host organism

>> -characteristics of the pathogen

>> -techniques used by the host to survive

>>

>> If you are unable to send me this information, I will understand. If

>> you do send it to me, I would be most grateful.

>> Sincerely yours,

>> Ng

>

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Thanks ... appreciate that.

Jean

Re: [Lyme-aid] Fw: Lyme Disease

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>

> I sent him to Georgia. She is finder (and keeper) of Lyme medical texts

on

> the Lyme NG.

>

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Now why didn't I think of that! Good thinking, she has the most information

of anyone I know in the Lyme community!

>From: FIG4159@...

>

>I sent him to Georgia. She is finder (and keeper) of Lyme medical texts on

>the Lyme NG.

>

>

>

>> >From: " " <jeand@...>

>> >Can someone more knowledgable than me please help this gentleman? Sure

>> >would appreciate it!!! His e-mail is mikeyookie@...

>> >> Hi,

>> >> my name is and I attend Glen Waverley Secondary College in

>> >> Melbourne Australia. I am currently in year 11.

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The physician at the Emergency Room diagnosed me as having Lyme Disease based on

my symptoms - arthritis like pain in every joint in my body, slight fever,

nausea. Then when the test came back, it was negative. I know there is a test

for it but I am not sure what the test is called. If you feel you need the

test,

I would insist your doctor follow up. It is just a blood test so there

shouldn't

be any reason for your doctor to refuse. Good luck.

Kaye (AIH) in Ohio

CRBDJB@... wrote:

> From: CRBDJB@...

>

> I think last comment from me today--

>

> For those of you misdiagnosed with Lyme Disease, why did that happen? And for

> all others have you been tested for Lyme Disease?

>

> I was just wondering, since this is one test I have not had and plan to ask

> for it.

>

> Any comments?

>

> in Georgia

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Thanks for that warning about the test, I had thought it would be a simple

blood test for Lyme disease. I will definitely clarify what kind of test

with the doctors. So you have been diagnosed with Lyme, Lupus and AIH? How

can the differentiate the AIH from the other two? How long have you been

sick?

In a message dated 6/18/99 4:25:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kslink@...

writes:

<<

,

I've just been diagnosed. with Lyme disease and Lupus, been through every

test I think. Started on IV Antibiotics yesterday. There is a constant

battle between all of my Doctors. I've been taken off immuran while being

tested and treated for the Lyme and increased the prednisone, which I had

been off since March. Currently I'm feeling worse than I did prior to being

diagnosed. with AIH. From what I understand there are a lot of cross over

symptoms with all of these illnesses.

Be careful what test you ask for. I didn't ask for it, and ended up having

a spinal tap in the hospital with contrast die, just like a mylagram only

shorter. What ever they did taking the fluid, my lower left side is so sore

I'm having trouble walking, sitting , just about everything.

mary(AIH)

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I've just been diagnosed. with Lyme disease and Lupus, been through every

test I think. Started on IV Antibiotics yesterday. There is a constant

battle between all of my Doctors. I've been taken off immuran while being

tested and treated for the Lyme and increased the prednisone, which I had

been off since March. Currently I'm feeling worse than I did prior to being

diagnosed. with AIH. From what I understand there are a lot of cross over

symptoms with all of these illnesses.

Be careful what test you ask for. I didn't ask for it, and ended up having

a spinal tap in the hospital with contrast die, just like a mylagram only

shorter. What ever they did taking the fluid, my lower left side is so sore

I'm having trouble walking, sitting , just about everything.

mary(AIH)

[ ] Lyme Disease

From: CRBDJB@...

I think last comment from me today--

For those of you misdiagnosed with Lyme Disease, why did that happen? And

for

all others have you been tested for Lyme Disease?

I was just wondering, since this is one test I have not had and plan to ask

for it.

Any comments?

in Georgia

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The AIH was diagnosed in July 1998 with Smooth Muscle Antibodies, and a

liver biopsy.

Thing were typical AIH treated with prednisone & immuran; tired, achy,

irritable, sleeplessness, fat etc.

I tapered off prednisone and stooped on Christmas day what a present. I had

all the aches and pains of withdraw of prednisone, then the first week of

Feb got really sick, chills fever, aches in my hands that I couldn't use

them, leg aches. My GI diagnosed a viral infection that flared my AIH. I

went back on prednisone for a month along whit a week of antibiotics. Felt

the best I had felt in 6 years, but that was short lived. I've been having

really bad bouts whit aches in my hands and legs and URQ pain since. In May

went to a neurologist for the pain in my hands, and she ran the ELISA test

for Lyme with the western bloc. ELISA was neg. but the western was positive

for Lyme, and my ANA was 1:640. Went thru another round of test and now an

infectious disease doctor and a rheumatologist. The later two were

conflicting with the neurologist who thinks the diagnose Lyme disease too

quickly without finds others such as lupus or cancer. I guess I glad that

the neurologist was as thorough as she was. Currently I not feeling too bad

except my liver counts are rising a little. I can't wait for the day that I

can wake up in the morning and say I feel great and really mean It.

Re: [ ] Lyme Disease

From: CRBDJB@...

,

Thanks for that warning about the test, I had thought it would be a simple

blood test for Lyme disease. I will definitely clarify what kind of test

with the doctors. So you have been diagnosed with Lyme, Lupus and AIH? How

can the differentiate the AIH from the other two? How long have you been

sick?

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I think my doc said there were some type of antibodies on it or something

like that. I'm not for sure. I should ask him about it.

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> onelist

>Subject: Re: [ ] Lyme Disease

>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:14:04 EDT

>

>From: CRBDJB@...

>

>In a message dated 6/20/99 2:13:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

>kslink@...

>writes:

>

>So do they still believe you have AIH? Also to the group, so many of you

>keep saying your AIH was confirmed by your biopsy, well I like some further

>explanation of that, since my research tells me the biopsy only tells the

>condition of the liver, it can not specifically say that any damage was

>caused by AIH.

>

><< ,

> The AIH was diagnosed in July 1998 with Smooth Muscle Antibodies, and a

> liver biopsy.

> Thing were typical AIH treated with prednisone & immuran; tired, achy,

> irritable, sleeplessness, fat etc.

> I tapered off prednisone and stooped on Christmas day what a present. I

>had

> all the aches and pains of withdraw of prednisone, then the first week of

> Feb got really sick, chills fever, aches in my hands that I couldn't use

> them, leg aches. My GI diagnosed a viral infection that flared my AIH. I

> went back on prednisone for a month along whit a week of antibiotics.

>Felt

> the best I had felt in 6 years, but that was short lived. I've been

>having

> really bad bouts whit aches in my hands and legs and URQ pain since. In

>May

> went to a neurologist for the pain in my hands, and she ran the ELISA

>test

> for Lyme with the western bloc. ELISA was neg. but the western was

>positive

> for Lyme, and my ANA was 1:640. Went thru another round of test and now

>an

> infectious disease doctor and a rheumatologist. The later two were

> conflicting with the neurologist who thinks the diagnose Lyme disease too

> quickly without finds others such as lupus or cancer. I guess I glad

>that

> the neurologist was as thorough as she was. Currently I not feeling too

>bad

> except my liver counts are rising a little. I can't wait for the day

>that I

> can wake up in the morning and say I feel great and really mean It.

>

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In a message dated 6/20/99 2:13:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kslink@...

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So do they still believe you have AIH? Also to the group, so many of you

keep saying your AIH was confirmed by your biopsy, well I like some further

explanation of that, since my research tells me the biopsy only tells the

condition of the liver, it can not specifically say that any damage was

caused by AIH.

<< ,

The AIH was diagnosed in July 1998 with Smooth Muscle Antibodies, and a

liver biopsy.

Thing were typical AIH treated with prednisone & immuran; tired, achy,

irritable, sleeplessness, fat etc.

I tapered off prednisone and stooped on Christmas day what a present. I had

all the aches and pains of withdraw of prednisone, then the first week of

Feb got really sick, chills fever, aches in my hands that I couldn't use

them, leg aches. My GI diagnosed a viral infection that flared my AIH. I

went back on prednisone for a month along whit a week of antibiotics. Felt

the best I had felt in 6 years, but that was short lived. I've been having

really bad bouts whit aches in my hands and legs and URQ pain since. In May

went to a neurologist for the pain in my hands, and she ran the ELISA test

for Lyme with the western bloc. ELISA was neg. but the western was positive

for Lyme, and my ANA was 1:640. Went thru another round of test and now an

infectious disease doctor and a rheumatologist. The later two were

conflicting with the neurologist who thinks the diagnose Lyme disease too

quickly without finds others such as lupus or cancer. I guess I glad that

the neurologist was as thorough as she was. Currently I not feeling too bad

except my liver counts are rising a little. I can't wait for the day that I

can wake up in the morning and say I feel great and really mean It.

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Yes my hepatologist insists that I had AIH first then Lyme. I've begun to

not believe all that they say. Between all of my doctors the only two that

agree are the infectious disease and rheumatologist. As far as being

confirmed by biopsy, the hepatologist refused to diagnose AIH until he

received the biopsy results and I never questioned what the biopsy showed.

Re: [ ] Lyme Disease

From: CRBDJB@...

In a message dated 6/20/99 2:13:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kslink@...

writes:

So do they still believe you have AIH? Also to the group, so many of you

keep saying your AIH was confirmed by your biopsy, well I like some further

explanation of that, since my research tells me the biopsy only tells the

condition of the liver, it can not specifically say that any damage was

caused by AIH.

<< ,

The AIH was diagnosed in July 1998 with Smooth Muscle Antibodies, and a

liver biopsy.

Thing were typical AIH treated with prednisone & immuran; tired, achy,

irritable, sleeplessness, fat etc.

I tapered off prednisone and stooped on Christmas day what a present. I

had

all the aches and pains of withdraw of prednisone, then the first week of

Feb got really sick, chills fever, aches in my hands that I couldn't use

them, leg aches. My GI diagnosed a viral infection that flared my AIH. I

went back on prednisone for a month along whit a week of antibiotics. Felt

the best I had felt in 6 years, but that was short lived. I've been having

really bad bouts whit aches in my hands and legs and URQ pain since. In

May

went to a neurologist for the pain in my hands, and she ran the ELISA test

for Lyme with the western bloc. ELISA was neg. but the western was

positive

for Lyme, and my ANA was 1:640. Went thru another round of test and now an

infectious disease doctor and a rheumatologist. The later two were

conflicting with the neurologist who thinks the diagnose Lyme disease too

quickly without finds others such as lupus or cancer. I guess I glad that

the neurologist was as thorough as she was. Currently I not feeling too

bad

except my liver counts are rising a little. I can't wait for the day that

I

can wake up in the morning and say I feel great and really mean It.

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I believe that the radiologist can determine the most likely cause of damage

by the pattern of damage. When combined with autoantibody findings from

bloodwork, and of course, our liver panels, it can confirm the suspicion of

AIH. Unfortunately, confirm is perhaps too strong of a word, since there is

no test that can say with certainty whether one has AIH or not.

Don

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In a message dated 9/23/1999 3:30:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

krhess@... writes:

<< My question for the group is: Who has been tested, treated, or

researched Lyme? >>

Tested and treated for lyme. When I first got sick I had a rash on my leg.

18 months later I tested positive and was treated for late-stage lyme. I had

IV and oral antibiotics for about 6 months. Do believe that I got better

from antibiotic tx--esp with joint pain. But then I was off antiobiotics for

a while and developed many autoimmune problems. Drs feel I no longer have

lyme but have undifferentiated connective tissue disease and secondary

Sjogren's Syndrome. I still have a positive IgM for lyme but drs say this is

false positive seen with UCTD. I'm not so sure I believe them. I think lyme

triggered my autoimmune problems and also wonder if lyme disease is still an

active, persistent infection with me. I am glad that I've found a dr who is

willing to give me antiobiotic tx again, even though he thinks I have UCTD.

So I have been on doxycycline--100 mgs every other day for about 19 months

and see some improvement. I cannot tolerate higher dosages of doxy--gives me

GI trouble and yeast.

As far as researching lyme--I've done some of that but I think bottom line is

to say that there is much controversy on this topic and that more research is

needed. If anyone wants a packet of information from AmericaOnLyme, let me

know and I can e-mail it.

Carol E from NY

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In a message dated 01/31/2000 8:45:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,

goingnutz@... writes:

<< Did any of your doctors think it was Lyme's disease. I looked

up the symptoms but it doesn't seem to be it. Can arthritis come from Lyme's

disease? I know you are not doctors but seem to have a great knowledge of

this.

>>

yes, my dh was tested for Lyme disease....Lyme disease does cause arthritic

symptoms....and I believe JRA kids usually do not have elevated red and white

counts.

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Did any of your doctors think it was Lyme's disease. I looked

> up the symptoms but it doesn't seem to be it. Can arthritis come from

Lyme's

> disease? I know you are not doctors but seem to have a great knowledge of

this.

>

> Thanks again,

> Ree

Ree,

I don't remember them ever test or mentioning Lyme disease in my

daughter's case.

Amy

Mother to 3 1/2 years old (poly-jra)

Mother to Andy 2 years old

Mother to Madeline 8 months old

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Hello,

Red blood cell counts usually go down in cases of anemia, which often

accompanies chronic illness, such as JRA. White blood cell count,

however, often appears elevated in cases of systemic JRA. My son's WBC

at the onset of his JRA was among the highest ever seen by our

pediatrician. Still, after nearly 5 years, it has never gotten down to

the normal range. Close, since he started taking the injections vs.

pills of MTX, but never yet to the normal range.

Take care,

Georgina

Poos1pal@... wrote:

> yes, my dh was tested for Lyme disease....Lyme disease does cause arthritic

> symptoms....and I believe JRA kids usually do not have elevated red and white

> counts.

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Hi Ree,

I just checked in my bookmarks file and came across a page I saved that

discusses Lyme Disease misdiagnosed as JRA. I'll copy and paste some of

what I've found. Hope this helps a little :)

Take care,

Georgina

Lyme disease misdiagnosed as juvenile rheumatoid arthritis (JRA)

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as of 26 October 1999

[Note: Lyme disease was " discovered " in Lyme, Connecticut in 1975

because of the perseverance of Polly Murray, a homemaker who thought

that too much juvenile rheumatoid arthritis was being diagnosed in her

community.]

Introduction to Lyme disease and juvenile rheumatoid arthritis (JRA):

JRA is also know as:

systemic JRA

Still's Disease (systemic-onset JRA, adult onset JRA)

juvenile chronic arthritis (JCA)

juvenile arthritis (JA)

monarticular juvenile arthritis

polyarticular juvenile arthritis

Lyme disease is also known as:

Lyme arthritis

Lyme borreliosis

Lyme encephalopathy

Lyme meningitis

Tick-borne borreliosis

Neuroborreliosis

Borreliosis

Lyme disease is a serious bacterial infection caused by a tick bite and

affects humans and animals.

Symptoms of Lyme disease

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/6772/symptoms.txt

[Editorial note: The purpose of this compilation of material related to

Lyme disease and JRA is to present information that could be considered

prior to diagnosis and treatment. Putting aside the issue of whether

Lyme disease does or does not " cause " some cases of JRA, the two

diseases share so many symptoms that Lyme disease, as documented below,

is often mistaken for JRA. In any case, Lyme disease should be a

differential diagnosis for all JRA patients.]

-----

Nine reasons for false negative Lyme disease tests results:

The Lyme Disease Foundation (LDF), in their brochure entitled " LDF

Frequently Asked Questions About Lyme Disease " lists the following

nine reasons for false negative Lyme disease tests results:

[brackets contain my words]

a. Antibodies against Bb are present, but the laboratory is unable to

detect them. [borrelia burgdorferi (Bb) is the Lyme disease bacteria.]

b. Antibodies against Bb may not be present in detectable levels in

patients with Lyme disease. Reasons are listed below.

1. The patient is currently on, or has recently taken, antibiotics.

The antibacterial effect of antibiotics can reduce the body's production

of antibodies.

2. The patient is currently on or has previously taken

anti-inflammatory steroidal drugs (such as those taken to treat

rheumatoid arthritis) or certain anticancer drugs. These can suppress a

person's immune system, thus reducing or preventing an antibody

response.

3. The patient's antibodies may be bound with the bacteria with not

enough free antibodies available for testing. [i think this reason is

very important and prevalent. For this reason, some of the worst cases

of Lyme disease test negative - too much bacteria for the immune system

to handle.]

4. The patient could be immunosuppressed for a number of other

reasons and the immune system is not reacting to the bacterium.

5. The bacterium has changed its makeup (antigenic shift) limiting

recognition by the patient's immune system.

6. The patient's immune response has not been stimulated to produce

antibodies, i.e., the blood test is taken too soon after the tick-bite

(2-6 weeks). Please do not interpret this statement as implying that

you should wait for a positive test to begin treatment.

7. The laboratory has raised its cutoff so high that a patient's

previously positive test is now borderline or negative.

8. The patient is reacting to the Lyme bacterium, but is not

producing the " right " bands to be considered positive.

Lyme Disease Foundation

1 Financial Plaza

Hartford, CT 06103

(860)525-2000

fax (860)525-TICK

Lyme Disease National Hotline (800)886-LYME

email: mailto:lymefnd@...

web page: http://www.lyme.org/index2.html

For more on false negative/positive Lyme disease test results see:

Lyme disease and false negative or false positive blood test results

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/6772/false-neg-pos-index.html

---------------

Medical and scientific abstracts on Lyme disease and JRA:

Sources:

National Library of Medicine: Internet Grateful Med Search Screen

http://igm.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/doler?account=++ & password=++

Welcome to PubMed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/

The Lyme Disease Network of NJ, Inc. Lyme Disease Network

Medical / Scientific Literature Database Search Form

http://www2.lymenet.org/domino/abstract.nsf/$$Search

Abstracts:

Contents

--------

- Abstracts supportive of a connection between JRA and Lyme disease.

- Abstracts not supportive of a connection between JRA and Lyme disease.

- Other abstracts pertaining to JRA and Lyme disease.

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Abstracts supportive of a connection between JRA and Lyme disease:

TITLE:

[synovial cellular immune response to bacterial pathogens in

patients with chronic juvenile arthritis]

VERNACULAR

TITLE:

Synoviale zellulare Immunantwort auf bakterielle Erreger bei

Patienten mit juveniler chronischer Arthritis.

AUTHORS:

Braun J; Doring E; Wu P; Heesemann J; Treharne J; Eggens U; Sieper J

AUTHOR

AFFILIATION:

Abteilung fur Allgemeine Innere Medizin und Nephrologie,

Klinikum Steglitz, Freien Universitat Berlin.

SOURCE:

Z Rheumatol 1993 Jul-Aug;52(4):201-9

CITATION IDS:

PMID: 7692686 UI: 94026003

ABSTRACT:

Juvenile chronic arthritis is a heterogenous disease with an ill-defined

pathogenesis. In our study, synovial fluid (SF) and peripheral blood

(PB) of 70 children with oligoarthritis were investigated;

bacteria-specific lymphocyte proliferation and antibodies to

arthritogenic bacteria were determined. Specific cellular immune

responses in SF but not in PB were found in 4/7 patients with either

Lyme- or reactive arthritis (60%). In comparison, in subgroup JCA II

(n = 45) encompassing mainly elder HLA B27 positive boys, a specific

response in SF but again not in PB was detected in 10 children to

Yersinia enterocolitica (YE), in four children either to Borrelia

burgdorferi (BB) and Chlamydia trachomatis (CT), and in one child to

Campylobacter jejuni (CJ). In contrast, in subgroup JCA I (n = 17)

encompassing mainly young ANA-positive girls with chronic iridocyclitis,

no specific response was found. The correlation of the synovial cellular

and the humoral immune responses was 100% in the case of BB and 50% for

YE; no antibodies against CT or CJ were detectable. Neither specific

cellular nor humoral immune responses were detected against Salmonella

or Shigella. We conclude that, in the pathogenesis of some patients with

JCA, bacterial microbes have a triggering role. Mainly YE, but also BB

and CT are responsible for cases of JCA in which no symptomatic

infection preceded.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-post/Entrez/query?uid=7692686 & form=6 & db=m & Dopt\

=b

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TITLE:

Prevalence of antibody to Borrelia burgdorferi in children with

juvenile rheumatoid arthritis.

AUTHORS:

Saulsbury FT; Katzmann JA

AUTHOR

AFFILIATION:

Department of Pediatrics, University of Virginia Health Sciences

Center, Charlottesville.

SOURCE:

J Rheumatol 1990 Sep;17(9):1193-4

CITATION IDS:

PMID: 2290160 UI: 91148060

ABSTRACT:

Lyme arthritis and juvenile rheumatoid arthritis (JRA) share a

number of clinical features. Our study was performed in order to

determine the prevalence of antibody to Borrelia burgdorferi in 50

children with JRA who reside in a nonendemic area. Three patients were

weakly reactive and one patient was reactive when tested using an enzyme

immunoassay to detect serum antibody to B. burgdorferi. No patient,

however, had definitive serologic evidence of B. burgdorferi infection

by Western blot analysis. We conclude that the prevalence of antibody to

B. burgdorferi is very low in children with JRA who reside in a

nonendemic area.

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Ree Whitman wrote:

>

> From: Ree Whitman <goingnutz@...>

>

> Hi there,

> Yep it's me again. Boy it's a good thing you don't charge me for my

> consultations or I would really be in trouble. :o)

>

> I just wanted to run by you what happened today. We went in to see Mikie's

> pediatrician. Mikie's knee is still swollen and so is his right shoulder. He

is

> still limping but not in as much pain. I don't know whether it's the Naproxen

> doing it or Mikie saying it so that he does not make another trip to the

> doctor. Anyway, the Lyme part of the blood work was not back. His white

blood

> cells were elevated as well as his red. His red were 70. Anyway, he said he

> would try and get in touch with Dr's Goldmont and Dr. White to see if we could

> get an earlier appt. We left the office and came home to a message from the

ped

> to call him on his cell phone or ofc phone. He wanted us to go over to an

> Pediatric Orthopedic Surgeon to have him take some fluid from his knee to

check

> for bacteria. This is what Dr. White the Rhuemy suggested. Well the

Orthopedic

> Surgeon took x-rays and opted not to take fluid because Mikie was really upset

> and that he feels that Mikie most likely has Lyme Disease. Now I have never

> noticed a bull's eye bite, or unusual rash. The doctor said he could bet

money

> on it. If the Lyme test comes back positive then we will continue on that

> track. If not we will have the fluid taken from his knee. Thursday we see

the

> Rhuematologist. Did any of your doctors think it was Lyme's disease. I

looked

> up the symptoms but it doesn't seem to be it. Can arthritis come from Lyme's

> disease? I know you are not doctors but seem to have a great knowledge of

this.

>

> Thanks again,

> Ree

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s white blood cell count is down to 1300 first time in 1year 1/2 her

sed rat is 54 and her hemaglobin is 11 ever sense she started the metho shot

she has just done wonderful no fever no fash she is still toe walking but

only when she does not have shoes on> we are starting to tapper her pred

again she is on it one time a day and down to 4 mg this is the first time in

a year that she does not need spilt doeses >I give the credit to the

methotrexate I hope that it works as well for josh

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>From: Georgina <gmckin@...>

>

>Hello,

>

>Red blood cell counts usually go down in cases of anemia, which often

>accompanies chronic illness, such as JRA. White blood cell count,

>however, often appears elevated in cases of systemic JRA. My son's WBC

>at the onset of his JRA was among the highest ever seen by our

>pediatrician. Still, after nearly 5 years, it has never gotten down to

>the normal range. Close, since he started taking the injections vs.

>pills of MTX, but never yet to the normal range.

>

>Take care,

>Georgina

>

>Poos1pal@... wrote:

>

> > yes, my dh was tested for Lyme disease....Lyme disease does cause

>arthritic

> > symptoms....and I believe JRA kids usually do not have elevated red and

>white

> > counts.

>

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Well to whomever posted Dr. Uthman's Website, here is his response to me.

Needless to say he has Horns also. Pepi

Subject: Re: Lyme Disease

> > I shall try and make this very quick. My name is I live in

> > Donie, Tx am 33 and have Lyme,Monocytic Ehrlichiosis and Babesiosis, my

LD

> > went unDx since '84 until this last July. Since I have the HME we know

that

> > I was reinfected here in TX. I am being treated by a great Neurologist

for

> > my LD, HME and B. My problem is this, I have C-5,6+7 Disc damage w/

> > protrusion into spinal chord and will need surgery. I have a

Cardiologist

> > there in Houston at St Lukes of whom I have lost all faith in, very long

> > story. Since my disc damage is from LD I need a Neurosurgeon that

understand

> > the disease, do you know of one?

>

> Hi, ,

>

> This all sounds rather outlandish to me. I hope you have seen a

> Board-certified subspecialist in infectious diseases who made all these

> diagnoses. If not, and since you have access to Houston, I would recommend

> Drs Vardian or Septimus, both of whom are excellent.

>

> For one thing, Lyme disease does not cause disc damage. Lyme is mentioned

in

> reference to the disc, because the damage Lyme causes to the nerves can

> cause a pain that mimics disc damage clinically, as the abstract given

below

> describes:

>

> -------------

>

> Acta Neurochir (Wien) 1989;98(1-2):42-6

>

> Meningoradiculoneuritis mimicking vertebral disc herniation. A

> " neurosurgical " complication of Lyme-borreliosis.

>

> Meier C, Reulen HJ, Huber P, Mumenthaler M

>

> University Department of Neurology, Inselspital, Bern, Switzerland.

>

> We report on 3 patients with meningoradiculoneuritis (MRN) due to

> Lyme-borreliosis (LB), which presented clinically as vertebral disc

> herniation. In 2 cases the underlying infection was discovered only after

> unsuccessful neurosurgical treatment. In the differential diagnosis

between

> MRN and disc herniation the following criteria are suggestive of MRN and

> should raise suspicion of a non-discogenic aetiology: History of tick bite

> or erythema chronicum migrans, fever or general malaise, mono- or

> oligoradiculopathy with absent or insignificant lumbar pain and complaints

> of a burning character of the radiating pain. In suspicious cases we

> recommend blood investigations including antibody determination against

> borrelia burgdorferi and CSF investigations including cell count and

> cytology, protein and glucose determination, nephelometry and isoelectric

> focusing to exclude MRN and other conditions that may mimic disc

herniation.

>

> -------------

>

> Best regards,

>

> Ed

>

> --------------

> Ed Uthman, MD <uthman@...> " Nemo liber est qui

> Pathologist, Houston/Richmond, Texas, USA corpori servit "

> <http://www.neosoft.com/~uthman> -Seneca

>

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You GO Girl!!!!!! go kick his butt! Pepi

>

> Dear Senator Lack: You have got to be kidding!!! What sort of

> outrageous monster are you to have thrown our lobbyist out of your

> office and swear and scream at her in an unprofessional manner??

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,

That is terrific news! I am so happy for ! Her SED rate is still

high but hopefully that will soon start to improve, as well. I'm really

glad that she is handling the decreased prednisone dose. I assume you

cut out the evening one? Sleep can be disturbed by taking steroids in

the PM hours, so I wonder if you have noticed any change in her sleeping

habits now, since she only gets one dose a day? I'm so glad things are

getting better.

Josh had his MTX shot yesterday and for whatever reasons, his wrists

were so sore afterwards. This morning he woke up with lots of visible

swelling on his right wrist. He's not feeling so good so instead of

going to school, he came downstairs and is sleeping on the couch. I'll

see if he's ready to go in a little later. The day after MTX is still

usually rough for him, especially in the morning.

Kind of sad but last night Josh was asking about when he'll be seeing

the rheumatologist next. We haven't gotten the call about when they'll

be flying over yet so I'm not sure, but Josh says he doesn't think he

can lower his prednisone again yet because he's been having more pain. I

think a part of it was because he had a cold for a couple days and while

it didn't cause a flare up, it did cause a slight setback. Still, he's

taking 20mgs/17.5mgs on alternate days. Plus all the other stuff. I

guess only time will tell.

Take care,

Georgina

SHANNON MARTINO wrote:

>

> s white blood cell count is down to 1300 first time in 1year 1/2 her

> sed rat is 54 and her hemaglobin is 11 ever sense she started the metho shot

> she has just done wonderful no fever no fash she is still toe walking but

> only when she does not have shoes on> we are starting to taper her pred

> again she is on it one time a day and down to 4 mg this is the first time in

> a year that she does not need spilt doeses >I give the credit to the

> methotrexate I hope that it works as well for josh

>

> >From: Georgina <gmckin@...>

> >Hello,

> >

> >Red blood cell counts usually go down in cases of anemia, which often

> >accompanies chronic illness, such as JRA. White blood cell count,

> >however, often appears elevated in cases of systemic JRA. My son's WBC

> >at the onset of his JRA was among the highest ever seen by our

> >pediatrician. Still, after nearly 5 years, it has never gotten down to

> >the normal range. Close, since he started taking the injections vs.

> >pills of MTX, but never yet to the normal range.

> >

> >Take care,

> >Georgina

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Hi PatB --

PA was absolutely the _last_ thing they got around to

for me. Before my final diagnosis they tested me for

everything from Lyme disease to schizophrenia! I

don't have Lyme and neither me or my buddy here has

schizophrenia -- though I am positive we both have PA!

and Friend

North Jersey Highlands

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