Potassium

[Guest guest]

that is very, very true, potassium effects the heart, not something you want

to play around with!

Potassium

It's really important that, if youa re taking a potassium suppliment, that

you are monitored by a Dr. If you take too much Potassium, it can be very

dangerous. If your potassium gets too low it can be dangerous. The test can

be done STAT...in a hurry. If it's too low, then you need to start taking a

prescription...and then be rechecked a few days later...and a week or 2

after

that. My potassium was way too low and I was sleepy (me, NEVER!) and weak.

My

husband realized something was wrong...so I was checked. I took it easy til

the potassium was high enough....and it's been fine since...it was just a

2-3

week post op thing. Probably because I couldn't handle the gatoraide!!

Good luck!

Dede

[Guest guest]

,

With the supplements, the potassium level will come back up and you may not

have to continue to take them. Are you drinking Gatorade? If you fit in

foods & drink that are high in potassium, you may get enough potassium that

way (i.e. Gatorade, potatoes, bananas). Also, there are over-the-counter

potassium supplements that aren't as huge. These probably aren't a high

enough dose to get you back up where you need to be though. But, when you do

get there, perhaps you can get more potassium through your diet and a little

extra from a smaller potassium supplement if needed. Talk to your doctor

about it.

Stacey

10/23/02

232/178

potassium

> Hi everyone,

> I had my yearly bloodwork done recently and heard back from my PCP this

week

> that my potassium levels were way too low, so he is putting me on

potassium

> supplements. Any of you had this to happen? I need to know if this will

be

> a permanent thing, or does it eventually come back up and you're able to

go

> off the meds? I hate the thoughts of taking something else on top of all

> the vitamins and supplements I already take. They are HUGE pills too!

Also

> did any of you who have taken the potassium supplements find that it gave

> you any problems with stomach/stools? Dr. said to be sure to eat a banana

> everyday and get in plenty of potatoes and oranges and such. Other than

the

> potassium, everything else was great and he was very pleased. Thanks for

> anyone's input here!

> Custer

> 12/20/01 Dr. R

> 375/209

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

hey susan, my son's teacher lost a ton of weight on a crash diet

(took no suppliments and didnt take proper care) anyway his potassium

got out of whack and so did everything else and he ended up having a

heart attack and DIED! (this happening is rare,i think-- i am not

trying to scare anyone,just giving background

info) ....soooooooooooooo needless to say I am a stickler for

suppliments and especially potassium!!! my son was devistated and

when i had MGB he was terrified i would have a problem so i was real

careful in that way. one thing i did was drink low sodium V8. the

sodium substitute in it has a LOT of potassium-- but i needed salt

after MGB too so i salted the low sodium V8....i know it sounds

weird, but so far so good!

be well!

xoxoxo

cathy s in va

11-16-00

248/137/127ish

[Guest guest]

Low potassium can be very dangerous. I ended up in the hospital in March for

low potassium (and probably exhaustion). At the time, my son was very ill

and hospitalized and I had been staying with him night and day and was

exhausted. I fainted about 3 or 4 times and they thought I was having a

seizure so they put me in the hospital over night and did lots of testing

and monitoring.(I went from my son's room to the er.it was a nightmare for

all of us.) I had very low potassium and they gave me some supplements to

get it back to normal. I only had to take a few pills however and it has

been normal ever since. I DO know potassium is very important, however..

[Guest guest]

This isn't an answer to the potassium question - I don't know about

that- but this post did make me think about the iron issue. I don't

understand why they make multiple vitamins with iron in them. I

have learned through this journey that iron and calcium use the same

receptors and if taken together they pretty much cancel each other

out. I think that all multiples have calcium in them. So if you

take a multiple vitamin with iron and calcium not only are you not

getting the benefits of the iron, but you also aren't absorbing the

calcium, right?

Margaret in St. Louis

> Hi everyone,

> I had my yearly bloodwork done recently and heard back from my PCP

this week

> that my potassium levels were way too low, so he is putting me on

potassium

> supplements. Any of you had this to happen? I need to know if

this will be

> a permanent thing, or does it eventually come back up and you're

able to go

> off the meds? I hate the thoughts of taking something else on top

of all

> the vitamins and supplements I already take. They are HUGE pills

too! Also

> did any of you who have taken the potassium supplements find that

it gave

> you any problems with stomach/stools? Dr. said to be sure to eat

a banana

> everyday and get in plenty of potatoes and oranges and such.

Other than the

> potassium, everything else was great and he was very pleased.

Thanks for

> anyone's input here!

> Custer

> 12/20/01 Dr. R

> 375/209

[Guest guest]

If you are on prednisone and are having leg cramps try upping your calcium.

I take 1000mg calcium supplements a day as suggested to me by my doc. Seems

the prednisone leaches calcium out of your system and this can cause terrible

muscle cramps. Used to dance around the bed grumbling four letter words two

or three times a night until this was suggested to me. Even now that I am no

longer on prednisone, I find that I still need the extra calcium. If I

forget or taper off for a few weeks....I still find myself doing the " bedroom

dance " until I get back on the calcium.!!!

[Guest guest]

I am not real sure but my dr. put me on 1500 milgrams of potassium. I had

to have a script for it. I have to take because I take lasix for swelling

in my legs. It doesn't really make me go p any more than without it, and the

legs are horrible. Go figure. But I am pretty sure that that kind of a dose

of pot. is prescription. I had some 500 mil. pot. but they were almost

done. I went to wally's and all I could find was 99 mil and the pharmist

told me that the other was script. Just don't understand why it isn't

avaible in larger doses. At 99 mil I had to take 15 of them babies every

day. Ulck!!!!!!! don't think so.

I hate gaterade also. It leaves a nasty filmy taste in my mouth. I also

feel more thirsty after drinking it, but my hubby gets it in bags that makes

2 1/2 gallons and makes it in a 2 gallon jug. Where he works they do not

like the fruit punch so he ask his boss if he could have it and he said

sure. WHy throw it away. I added one sweet and low and it taste almost

like koolaid, once you get past the first sip. Add it to alot of ice,

better yet, shaved ice and it is almost good. I have since tried alot of

other flavors that I buy in bulk and just add some sweet and low to the jug.

It is always ready to go and the grandkids just love it. THey also have it

over shaved ice like a snow cone.........I even bought one of those little

snow cone makers. Great for some juices.

good luck to all..... in mo.

[Guest guest]

Potassium is offered as a prescription-only med. because if you get TOO

much, it could be lethal. Your heart function relies in part on potassium.

If your levels are too low or too high, it could lead to heart arrhythmias

(abnormal heartbeat)--or worse.

Lasix & potassium supplements go hand in hand. Lasix makes you urinate &

this takes with it your potassium stores. The potassium itself isn't

supposed to make you urinate more. So, when you're on Lasix, you need to

supplement your postassium intake because basically you're peeing out your

potassium!

Stacey

10/23/02

232/140/???

Re: potassium

> I am not real sure but my dr. put me on 1500 milgrams of potassium. I had

> to have a script for it. I have to take because I take lasix for swelling

> in my legs. It doesn't really make me go p any more than without it, and

the

> legs are horrible. Go figure. But I am pretty sure that that kind of a

dose

> of pot. is prescription. I had some 500 mil. pot. but they were almost

> done. I went to wally's and all I could find was 99 mil and the pharmist

> told me that the other was script. Just don't understand why it isn't

> avaible in larger doses. At 99 mil I had to take 15 of them babies every

> day. Ulck!!!!!!! don't think so.

> I hate gaterade also. It leaves a nasty filmy taste in my mouth. I

also

> feel more thirsty after drinking it, but my hubby gets it in bags that

makes

> 2 1/2 gallons and makes it in a 2 gallon jug. Where he works they do not

> like the fruit punch so he ask his boss if he could have it and he said

> sure. WHy throw it away. I added one sweet and low and it taste almost

> like koolaid, once you get past the first sip. Add it to alot of ice,

> better yet, shaved ice and it is almost good. I have since tried alot of

> other flavors that I buy in bulk and just add some sweet and low to the

jug.

> It is always ready to go and the grandkids just love it. THey also have it

> over shaved ice like a snow cone.........I even bought one of those little

> snow cone makers. Great for some juices.

> good luck to all..... in mo.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/11/2004 6:51:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

ruthful@... writes:

> do you have a web address for this?

>

Yes, sorry I forgot to include it:

http://joevialls.altermedia.info/potassium.html

Dotsie

[Guest guest]

Dotsie, do you have a web address for this?

Thanks

Donna

Potassium

[Guest guest]

Do you meet the counting rules?

If yes, then I think you cannot interprete the mineral levels in

hair. They are all messep up because of the mercury.

> I just got the results of some tests, and found that while my serum

> potassium is low, a lot of it is coming out in my hair. Sodium was

also

> low in my blood, but coming out in my hair, but not as badly as

> postassium, which was almost in the red. Calcium and magnesium were

> normal in both. Does anyone know what the significance is? Antimony

and

> lead were also high in hair, but mercury was low.

>

> This is my third hair test, and I have had 12 rounds of chelation

with

> DMSA.

>

> Thanks,

> Bernadette

[Guest guest]

In Andy's talk at AutismOne recently, he states that if Potassium is either

way high or low then this implies that one's thyroid is messed up. So,

possibly there are thyroid issues.

At 04:31 PM 30/06/2004, you wrote:

>Do you meet the counting rules?

>If yes, then I think you cannot interprete the mineral levels in

>hair. They are all messep up because of the mercury.

>

>

>

> > I just got the results of some tests, and found that while my serum

> > potassium is low, a lot of it is coming out in my hair. Sodium was

>also

> > low in my blood, but coming out in my hair, but not as badly as

> > postassium, which was almost in the red. Calcium and magnesium were

> > normal in both. Does anyone know what the significance is? Antimony

>and

> > lead were also high in hair, but mercury was low.

> >

> > This is my third hair test, and I have had 12 rounds of chelation

>with

> > DMSA.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Bernadette

>

>

>

>=======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

This is great information. I am not sure if you did this already or

not, but you may want to post this on Rob's Pharmacy Island site

because the question regarding it was originally posted there. Some

one over there may be waiting for this answer. Several of us did

answer with simialr information.

It should be noted because direct intravenous KCl can cause

immediate death, it is therefore no longer in the crash carts.

Thanks for you input !

Jeanetta Mastron CPhT BS Chem

> Hi everyone,

> I work in a hospital and tried to do a little research on the

potassium

> issue.

> Yes, potassium is to be diluted before IV administration. Some of

the reasons

> being

> the sheer power of the drug. Another being that if given straight,

it can

> cause cardiac depression, hyperkalemia (excessive potassium levels

or toxicity)

> or even death.

> It can cause a burning sensation at the site of administration.

> We, at our hospital, give neonates potassium inj p.o. with

feedings. It seems

> that when given po because of the route and administration, by the

time it

> reaches the blood stream it is diluted. The dosing on the neonates

is also

> extremely low.

> I know there are more reasons out there, but this is just a brief

highlight

> of what I found out.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

POTASSIUM DEFICIENCY AS A CAUSE OF RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS

by Weber, MS

This discussion of potassium is presented in the hope that one of its

readers will consider performing an experiment establishing the effect of

potassium on rheumatoid arthritis. There is no report in the literature

going back to 1914 of such an experiment. Every essential nutrient should

have been explored before this. In view of the way hormones which are

regulated by or regulate potassium, such as cortisol and DOC are involved

with rheumatoid arthritis (RA), and the low whole body potassium content in

rheumatoid arthritis (RA), potassium especially should have been

investigated before now.

INTRODUCTION

Since the most serious aspect of the diarrheas is wasting potassium,

cortisol has acquired the attribute of conserving potassium by moving it

into the cells when cortisol declines. Cortisol (but not corticosterone) is

reduced during a potassium deficiency, and this reduction accounts for many

of the symptoms of RA.

Cortisol shuts down most of the copper enzymes when it declines so that

excretion of copper is increased and Lysyl oxidase inhibited. These last two

attributes are proposed to account for most of the mortality from aneurysms

and infections during rheumatoid arthritis (RA). Thus the urgent necessity

to survive during virulent diarrhea has set people up in the course of

evolution for some of the worst symptoms of rheumatoid arthritis

For a more elaborate discussion of potassium physiology and nutrition see

Arthritis as a Chronic Potassium Deficiencyand for copper see this site.

DISCUSSION

Judging by the drastic decline of mortality in babies suffering from a

virulent strain of diarrhea by potassium supplements,1 potassium loss in

those diseases which force cyclic AMP to excrete water into the intestines2

must be the most serious effect of the diarrheas. I suggest that this is the

reason why cortisol has acquired the attribute of moving potassium out of

cells3 and therefore into the cells upon declining. It is also undoubtedly

the reason why the adrenal's cortisol secretion is inhibited by low serum

potassium in vitro (in the test tube) but not corticosterone.4 The body thus

has a way of signaling for a decrease in cortisol secretion during a serious

intestinal disease independently of ACTH. Thus the body inversely mobilizes

its defenses. Endotoxin bacterial diseases force the body to secrete

cortisol by increasing ACTH5 and this is probably an adaptation by the

bacteria to force the body to inhibit the immune system. Glucosteroid

response modifying factor (GRMF) secreted by T- cells then prevents the

cortisol from having full effect on white cells other than suppresser cells6

and thus raises the set point, as does interleukin-I.6. Interleukin-I also

stimulates cortisol secretion,7 as does cachectin (tumor necrosis factor).8

I suspect that this is an adaptation to provide some cortisol maintenance9

when normal ACTH production is later cut off during endotoxin attack.10 In

other words, the immune system takes over its own regulation but at a higher

set point. The role of GRMF has not yet been demonstrated for physiological

processes. GRMF will probably prove to inhibit cortisol for most of those

processes as well as the immune cells, surely at least for cortisol's

various affects on potassium.

One of the most important of the cortisol controlled immune defenses is the

mobilization of the availability of copper to the white cells, an attribute

which probably arose because copper is crucial to an adequate immune

defense.11 The primary way cortisol does this is by, inversely to its

concentration, shutting down production of copper-containing enzymes such as

Lysyl oxidase and superoxide dismutase.12 Lysyl oxidase catalyzes the

formation of cross links in all connecting tissue including elastin.13 Since

elastin makes up the main strength of normal blood vessels12 and has a rapid

turnover, this is the most serious problem in arthritis. Ruptured aneurysms

along with poor resistance to infection and heart disease are the chief

terminal events in arthritis.14

The body uses ceruloplasmin to carry copper to the immune system during

infection12. Probably the main reason for this development is that the

copper in ceruloplasmin is not in equilibrium with the serum and so is not

available to pathogens. However, ceruloplasmin is also used to carry copper

to the bile for excretion15. Therefore I submit that the rise in serum

ceruloplasmin in RA16 causes an increased excretion in members of a society

who, even before this, were receiving less than the minimum daily

requirement.

CONCLUSIONS

Evidence can be provided for this proposal in several ways. Arthritic people

should have a lower whole body potassium content than normal people. This

has been proved.17 Red blood cells have a higher potassium content than

normal during RA18. This should not be taken as counter evidence because I

suspect that this is an adaptation to help avoid circulatory collapse when

dehydration reduces the blood volume during diarrhea.

There should be a lower concentration of potassium in blood plasma during

RA. The National Health and Nutrition Survey-III has determined that of

39,695 people selected, there were 840 who said they had been diagnosed with

rheumatoid arthritis. Of these, 691 had their serum tested for potassium. Of

that number 7.8% had less than 3.6 milliequivalents per liter, 34.7% between

3.6 and 4.0, 40.7% between 4.0 and 4.4, and 18.1% above 4.4. Only 18%

appeared to be in the normal range. The samples were refrigerated and sent

out to outside contract laboratories [22c]. Refrigerating blood increases

the apparent amount when it is serum that is analyzed, especially if there

is a delay in the analysis. In addition to that, arthritics lose potassium

from the platelets as noted above. If some were misdiagnosed, had a

remission since being diagnosed, or there was a longer than usual delay in

analysis, it could account for the 18% seemingly normal. So this survey

showed at least most arthritics low in potassium. Many others in the survey

were low in potassium also. So, unless arthritis is caused by something

besides a potassium deficiency and low potassium is a symptom, those other

survey people would have to have had arthritis as well. I believe many

people die of a potassium caused heart disease without being arthritic, so,

if so, the first part of the statement must be in order. In any case, a

large proportion of arthritics at least are too low for sure, some

dangerously low.

There should be a lower incidence of RA among people on potassium

supplementation or who eat Morton's Lite Salt or Stirling's Half and

Half . I know of no epidemiological study showing this. However, people

who work in potash mines have a 25% lower incidence of heart disease than

the surrounding population19 and heart disease is prevalent in RA. There

should be a healing of RA upon starting potassium supplements. No controlled

experiment has been reported which would indicate this. However there is a

case history of a single arthritic brought up to 3,500 milligrams per day in

order to explore the effects of various steroid hormones on the body's

mineral balance.20 A total of 3,500 milligrams is about the amount an adult

would obtain from unprocessed food. The subject showed consistent

improvement throughout the experiment even though potassium was the only

consistent change. His total body potassium slowly but consistently rose.

There should be a negative correlation between high potassium-caused muscle

spasms and RA, but I have no supporting data. Neither do I know of a

positive correlation with eating licorice (but not licorice candy, which is

made of anise seeds) grapefruit, or potassium losing diuretics, each of

which increase potassium loss. There should be a negative correlation

between eating acids which have an indigestible anion and RA since the

hydrogen ion interferes with potassium excretion21. I know of no good

experiment or epidemiologic study. However, it has been suggested from folk

custom that eating vinegar22 or cherries is efficacious. The vinegar seems

doubtful since it is my understanding that acetate can be metabolized by the

body22a. However, it is conceivable that people on a diet high in calories

do not utilize all the acetate or even much of it. In any case. RA should

not be present much in people who eat predominantly vegetables instead of

grains. An experiment has been performed in which RA was healed in a group

of people by switching to a vegetable diet23b. Eating bananas would increase

potassium somewhat, but it is only a moderate source per calorie, about the

same as potatoes.

I suspect that people with rheumatoid arthritis tend to have a poorer

ability to conserve or absorb potassium than other people because of damage

to their kidneys by a poison such as bromine gas (as happened to me) or long

term poisons in plant foods or by a mild genetic defect or by poisons

excreted by pathogenic bacteria. Some bacterial infections do trigger RA.

Screening some common poisons currently in food might be enlightening. Since

GRMFs inhibit cortisol, it is possible that a discordance in the immune

response involving GRMF in some people or some infection types (that last

does happen) may accentuate RA and thus even cause an auto immune response.

If animals are used for experiments, it is futile to use rats or mice

because they rely on corticosterone to regulate the immune response, not

cortisol. I suspect that this developed because they have a factor in their

intestinal fluid which counteracts cholera toxin.23 They also have the

ability to absorb water under cyclic AMP stimulation in part of their

colon24 instead of excretion of water, unlike other animals.

Since the disturbance in copper metabolism is proposed as the most serious

aspect of RA, evidence for copper's effect should be possible. Supplementing

with copper should remove some of the symptoms of RA. I know of no such

experiment. However, it is known that Finnish men who work in copper mines

have little arthritis or susceptibility to infection.25 The high milk diet

along with frequent saunas may be two reasons why other Finns have one of

the highest rates of arthritis in the world,26 since milk is the poorest

source of copper27, p.92 and perspiration loses potassium.28 Milk has been

shown to have a high statistical correlation with cardiovascular disease,

said to be as great a risk as smoking,29 which disease in turn is correlated

with RA. Laplanders on a meat diet have a lower rate of RA not much further

north.26 The Massai of Africa have a higher rate of RA than the surrounding

tribes.30, p.768 The Masai also use a lot of milk as well as very few

vegetables, which vegetables would have increased potassium intake. Men who

work in copper mines must have stronger tissues than other miners because

the percentage of injuries which result in lost time is significantly

lower31 even though injuries like eye damage and burns which are not

affected by strength are part of the data. Eating a lot of shellfish or

liver should reduce those symptoms related to copper deficiency since they

are the richest sources, but I know of no study. The same is true of

drinking acid water out of copper plumbing.

I believe that it is unwise to give cortisol to any class of people whose

immune system is weak, such as arthritic people. If it is felt that cortisol

should be raised in the body, why not use something relatively safe, like

potassium supplements? If potassium supplements are used, be certain that

vitamin B- 1 is adequate because the " wet " heart disease of beri-beri can

not materialize when potassium is deficient.32 Obviously the reverse is also

true for vitamin B-1 supplementation. For this reason, If the patient has

heart trouble, it is very important to determine whether it is caused by

vitamin B-1 or potassium.

If potassium chloride is dissolved in fruit juice it tastes good and avoids

the danger to the intestines that even slow release enteric tablets may

present. The chloride is the most efficacious form33. It would be better and

safer yet to provide potassium from food high in potassium such as celery or

bamboo shoots as Effinger proposed34. Unboiled, unfrozen, uncanned

vegetables low in starch are the richest sources35. However, removing a

deficiency will be slower since the potassium is not associated with

chloride and would take a few weeks or months longer.

A deficiency can arise from diarrhea, processed food, reliance on grain or

fatty foods35, psychic stress stimulation of aldosterone36 p.209 (which is

the main regulator of potassium)37, stress stimulation of cortisol (as in an

operation, for instance38), diuretics, licorice39 as well as probably

grapefruit39a, profuse perspiration28, excessive vomiting40, eating sodium

bicarbonate41, hyperventilating42, laxatives43, enemas44 (especially if

prolonged), shock from burns or injury45, hostile or fearful emotions36, and

very high or very low sodium intake46, All of these increase excretion or

decrease intake of potassium and many at once would be very dangerous. and

probably even lethal if prolonged.

A chronic potassium deficiency must surely cause a degenerative disease. I

believe it materializes in some people as RA. If not, then what is the name

of the degenerative disease which attends a potassium deficiency ? It is not

hypokalemia. This is only a word which describes low serum potassium, a

marker or symptom. It is about time we found such a name.

References below

Some links related to health

CONTENTS of other chapters about potassium

Back to INTRODUCTION chapter --- II. Arthritis Research --- III. Arthritis

and Potassium --- IV. Roles of Potassium in the Body --- V. Electrolyte

regulation (sodium and potassium) --- VI. Purpose of cortisolVIII. Potassium

Nutritional Requirements --- IX. Potassium in Foods --- X. Potassium

Processing Losses --- X,cont. Losses in the kitchen --- XI. Potassium

Supplementation --- Potassium Side Effects and Heart DiseaseHigh Blood

Potassium --- Helpful strategies against CFS and fibromyalgia

Potassium Content of Food, a table: Potassium expressed in milligrams per

Calorie.

Copper Response in Rheumatoid Arthritis: Nutrition and physiology of copper,

especially relating to hemorrhoids, aneurysm, herniated discs, anemia,

emphysema, and gray hair..

The Purpose of Cortisol: Cortisol is presented as an immune hormone used

inversely to defend against diarrhea

Cashew Nuts to Cure Tooth Abscess: Anacardic acids in raw cashew nuts may

cure tooth abscesses and possibly gram positive diseases such as acne and

leprosy.

Observations on Diabetes: Diabetes may be caused by a poison in food.

The Eve Controversy: A proposal as to why the human species seems to be

derived from a single couple.

You may find useful for definitions and easy to use a search for abstracts

of journal references in medicine called " Gateway " . For those which have

abstracts available, click on " expand " or for definitions click on " find

terms " .There is a site that lists hospitals worldwide here.

Some links related to ancient ecology

Did the Wood Roach Cause the Permian - Triassic Coal Hiatus? The ability to

digest cellulose may have sparked Permian aridity and the conifer rise.

Permian Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide and Prototermite Migration A huge comet

strike may have caused extinctions and spread of proto termites around the

world.

Permian Phosphorus Amphibians such as dragonflies may have caused the

Permian marine phosphorites and armored fish.

Termites Affect on Phosphorus in the Jurassic Sheet erosion by soil borne

termites starting in late Jurassic may have caused fertile oceans and a

decline of vertebrate bones and teeth on savannas from a phosphorus famine.

Paleocene and Modern Termites Evolution of termites may have contributed to

the small size of vertebrates in early Paleocene.

Angiosperm Evolution Broad leafed plants may have evolved on the Ontong -

Java plateau in the Permian.

Deciduous Forests from Glaze Ice It is proposed that the temperate deciduous

forest zone is caused by glaze ice storms.

For your computer

Google is a large, general search engine which lists the most informative

articles first. Google has a free program which enables you to put a tool

bar on your screen which at the click of a button enables you to perform a

search of the web right from the window you are viewing or the article

itself, determine its rank, find anyone linking to it, find similar

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will mark any word in the article you wish and search within the article. It

is something else. .

There is a free program available which tells on your site what web site

accessed your site, which search engine, statistics about which country,

statistics of search engine access, keywords used and their frequency. It

can be very useful

There is a news system that scours the Internet once a day for arthritis (RA

and osteo) resarch and treatment related news stories from thousands of

state, national and international publishers, including all of the major

media outlets. The articles discuss medications primarily and is provided by

InjuryBoard.com.

REFERENCES

1. Darrow, D.C. 1946 " Retention of Electrolyte during recovery from severe

dehydration due to diarrhea, " Journal of Pediat. 28; 515.

2. Mekalanos, J.J.; Swartz, D.J.; Pearson, GDN.; Harford, N.; Groyne, F.;

Wilde, M. 1983. " Cholera Toxin Genes: Nucleotide Sequence, Deletion Analysis

and Vaccine Developement, " Nature 306; 551.

3. Bronner, F.; Comar, C.L. 1961 Mineral Metabolism Vol I, Academic Press.

4. Mikosha, A.S.; Pushkarov, I.S.; Chelnakova, I.S.; Remennikov, G.Ya. 1991

" Potassium Aided Regulation of Hormone Biosynthesis in Adrenals of Guinea

Pigs under Action of Dihydropyridines: Possible Mechanisms of Changes in

Steroidogenesis Induced by 1,4-Dihydropyridines in Dispersed

Adrenocorticytes. " Fiziol. ZH (Kiev) 37:60.

5. Melby J.C.; Egdahl, R.H.; Spink, W.W. 1960 " Secretion and Metabolism of

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Re: rheumatic Water, Salt & Potassium

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> > > 2. Maintain adequate potassium intake, e.g., eat a banana or

two

> > > daily and consider a potassium supplement.

> > >

> > Geoff, it is my understanding that supplementing with potassium should

NOT

> > be done without medical supervision. Having a tendency to low potassium

> > levels, I know what that feels like and how it can upset heart rhythm

etc.

> > But it is easy to get too much potassium in supplement form, so I really

> > feel you should comment on this. It can be very serious.

> >

> > Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

Hi Marla:

1 x avocado has 1,230 mg of potassium. The nutritonist I work with

suggested this when my potassium levels dipped for reasons unknown.

Jim Marlowe says avaocadoes have the highest amount of potassium of

any food...when I scan through Lavon J. Dunne's Nutrition Almanac,

nothing else comes close.

vsp

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 21:03:37 -0000, marlakins <talithakumi@...> wrote:

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> Hello All!

>

> Hope all is well. I have normally been low in blood potassium levels.

> So, about a month and a half ago I started supplementing with

> magnesium to try to help me absorb or utilize potassium better.

> Actually, I've been supplementing with zinc, selenium, MSM, and

> magnesium. Yet, my recent potassium reading came out the lowest it

> has ever been now. And my cholesterol is pretty high. I read that

> low potassium is related to high cholesterol. Not sure how much that

> relates to me, but would like any imput anyone has to offer regarding

> increasing my potassium level and any thoughts on my high

> cholesterol--268 Ack! LDL was 158 and HDL was 90. Ack! ack! Maybe

> I'm eating too many animal products and fats? I don't eat any fast

> foods or prepackaged foods. It's all from scratch and free ranged,

> grass fed animals. I'm perplexed.

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> TIA,

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> Marla

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Oh, great! Thanks, ! I love avocados! Didn't know they were

high in potassium. Wow. Will definitely add them to me meals.

Marla )

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> >

> > Hello All!

> >

> > Hope all is well. I have normally been low in blood potassium levels.

> > So, about a month and a half ago I started supplementing with

> > magnesium to try to help me absorb or utilize potassium better.

> > Actually, I've been supplementing with zinc, selenium, MSM, and

> > magnesium. Yet, my recent potassium reading came out the lowest it

> > has ever been now. And my cholesterol is pretty high. I read that

> > low potassium is related to high cholesterol. Not sure how much that

> > relates to me, but would like any imput anyone has to offer regarding

> > increasing my potassium level and any thoughts on my high

> > cholesterol--268 Ack! LDL was 158 and HDL was 90. Ack! ack! Maybe

> > I'm eating too many animal products and fats? I don't eat any fast

> > foods or prepackaged foods. It's all from scratch and free ranged,

> > grass fed animals. I'm perplexed.

> >

> > TIA,

> >

> > Marla

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I was about 3 years out (I am now almost 5 years) when I was hospitalized

for what my dr and I thought were heart problems - I was in for 3 days and

it was found I had sever shortage of potassium. It is a really serious

thing. It can cause your heart to stop as well as muscle weakness and pain.

Be very careful with the postassium!

Lee

(previously TeacherGator)

[Guest guest]

Just earlier this week I got some very good info and replies about potassium

amounts and supplements in answer to a post entitled 'water retention ?'

hth

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http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/

[Guest guest]

, I remember reading some posts, but I don't know how to change

the 10meq measurement into gr. or whatever the health food stores use.

Also, whether or not they ARE interchangeable. ...Wanda

[Guest guest]

I am sorry if this is going over old topics, but I checked thru my

storage and was unable to locate any posts re this subject.

....Wanda

[Guest guest]

Can you go online to ? You can find it there.

Re: Potassium

I am sorry if this is going over old topics, but I checked thru my

storage and was unable to locate any posts re this subject.

...Wanda

[Guest guest]

A pharmacist might be able to give you the conversion.

From my personal experience the measurement doesn't necessarily matter. Good

brands from health food stores are a regulated potency. And on more than one

occasion, people that took prescribed potassium with no results, got good

results from a chelated brand from the health food store. It doesn't have to be

dosage for dosage.

I have had numerous people (including myself) that have taken potassium often.

Anywhere from 1 to 6 a day. Any potassium from a health food store is basically

an over-the-counter product. You can take it on your own choice, just like

choosing what you eat, and have the doctor monitor your results. If he is

really open he should agree to that, and be most interested in your health.

KM

walou@... wrote:

As a part of my treatment for hypertension, I was prescribed a diuretic

and potassium (10MEQ). When it didn't increase the potassium level --

The Dr. doubled the dose.

I hate having to take ANY meds and especially that much. I try to take

natural supplemental forms as much as possible. As i really trust the

knowledge on this list---I decided to ask here for suggestions or info.

I have a very open minded Dr., but would like to be armed with some

information before I request a change.

Thanks so much. Wanda

[Guest guest]

walou@... wrote:

> As a part of my treatment for hypertension, I was prescribed a diuretic

> and potassium (10MEQ). When it didn't increase the potassium level --

> The Dr. doubled the dose.

Hi Wanda,

Your potassium level is critical and if you need more to get that level

right, then it is good to take it.

The 10 MEq you are getting is a drop in the ocean. It's about one and a

half glasses of orange juice worth - not a big deal.

I take ten of thos 10 MEq's a day - but I am an extreme case as I have a

kidney defect.

Potassium is not a drug - it's an electrolyte nutrient your body needs,

so do not think of it as a drug but as a nutrient. To reduce your need

for more and more, you would benefit by lowering your sodium intake. I

do not eat anything with salt added. If I did I'd be worse - actually

I'd die due tot eh kidney defect - but in a normal person more sodium

means more potassium needed to balance it.

Think how nature supplies our food:

It is VERY high in potassium in fruit and vegetable and seafood - and

very low in sodium all round.

So what do we tend to do?

We go put HUGE amounts of sodium (table salt or sea salt) all over

everything and eat food with the ratios back to front - and then wonder

why we get ill :-)

So your doctor is trying to get you more healthy- and I WISH more

doctors would prescribe potassium. They usually offer drugs instead!!!

The 10 MeQ (milli-equivalents) you take is the equivalent of 750mg of

potassium incase you want to compare with orange juice, bananas and

grapefruit juice labels.

The potassium is used by the body to control sodium balance, reducing

blood pressure and edema, and for helping muscles work, and for

retaining the magnesium you need - and a host of other important functions.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

I think this discussion is going in the wrong direction. In this case, the

potassium was prescribed because the diuretic prescribed causes potassium loss.

All conventional doctors will prescribe potassium with those diuretics. They

are not necessarily enlightened. So taking the potassium isn't a problem. I

would be looking for ways to avoid the diuretic.

Re: Potassium

walou@... wrote:

> As a part of my treatment for hypertension, I was prescribed a diuretic

> and potassium (10MEQ). When it didn't increase the potassium level --

> The Dr. doubled the dose.

Hi Wanda,

Your potassium level is critical and if you need more to get that level

right, then it is good to take it.

The 10 MEq you are getting is a drop in the ocean. It's about one and a

half glasses of orange juice worth - not a big deal.

I take ten of thos 10 MEq's a day - but I am an extreme case as I have a

kidney defect.

Potassium is not a drug - it's an electrolyte nutrient your body needs,

so do not think of it as a drug but as a nutrient. To reduce your need

for more and more, you would benefit by lowering your sodium intake. I

do not eat anything with salt added. If I did I'd be worse - actually

I'd die due tot eh kidney defect - but in a normal person more sodium

means more potassium needed to balance it.

Think how nature supplies our food:

It is VERY high in potassium in fruit and vegetable and seafood - and

very low in sodium all round.

So what do we tend to do?

We go put HUGE amounts of sodium (table salt or sea salt) all over

everything and eat food with the ratios back to front - and then wonder

why we get ill :-)

So your doctor is trying to get you more healthy- and I WISH more

doctors would prescribe potassium. They usually offer drugs instead!!!

The 10 MeQ (milli-equivalents) you take is the equivalent of 750mg of

potassium incase you want to compare with orange juice, bananas and

grapefruit juice labels.

The potassium is used by the body to control sodium balance, reducing

blood pressure and edema, and for helping muscles work, and for

retaining the magnesium you need - and a host of other important functions.

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.

[Guest guest]

Bumpas wrote:

> I think this discussion is going in the wrong direction. In this case, the

potassium was prescribed because the diuretic prescribed causes potassium loss.

All conventional doctors will prescribe potassium with those diuretics. They

are not necessarily enlightened. So taking the potassium isn't a problem. I

would be looking for ways to avoid the diuretic.

>

Very good point.

I don't take any drugs period - and I tend to forget that other people

still do!

The potassium is good yes - but the drugs are not good.

There are lots of better alternatives that are actually healthy and

healing instead of just suppressing and hiding symptoms and leaving the

disease in place.

Thanks for pointing out the big picture!

Namaste,

Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.

www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)

Proverb:Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it.