Re: Odd Ducks

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" Yes, I really should think twice about posting when I am taking a

break from writing lyrics. :-o "

Nah - your painting some lovely pictures :-)

" I don't see restoring my family's place as soul,

> however. To me it is rational because it is history and with our

> projects it will be useful and thus maintained. "

>

> But did you not have a passion with which you carried out this

> restoration? If so, then this passion is what caused the other

person

> to see your soul. Soul is not about emotions run amuck. Soul is

> about acknowledging and validating that emotion and logic have

found

> collided with such intensity that they have moved forward to

achieve

> the same end hence ... SOUL.

>

> Raven

>

> Yes, I really should think twice about posting when I am taking a

> break from writing lyrics. :-o

>

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Most of the time my emotions do not seem present. I have been in

situations where other people to me appear to get over emotional and

I do not understand it.

For example heated debates. I love a good indepth discussion, but

often do not understand why others get emotional about it. I can talk

about most things without emotion, logically and calmly - to me to do

such faccilitates learning; peoples emotions just get in the way of

that in my opinion.

However I can get passionate about some things, usually injustices

and then I cannot understand why others don't seem to care.

" Passion? Not really. One way AS affects me is that

> my emotions are muted most of the time. Very rarely have I felt

> passionate about anything, at least not for very long. I can still

> do things of course, I simply don't get as fired up about them as

> other people seem to. "

>

> I have been told quite the opposite about myself ... that I am far

> more 'fired up' and 'passionate' about things than most anyone else

> they have ever met. This is how AS affects me ... I experience

> everything so very intensely and sometimes this is not an asset.

> There are times when I wish I could be more on the other end of the

> spectrum in this regard.

>

> Of course, most of the time I cherish being on this end of the

> spectrum because I am enamored of the little things such intense

> passion can reveal in the smallest of nature's gifts.

>

> I have colleagues who are known to say that the worst part of any

> disaster in which I am involved is the inital reaction to what it

> will mean to what they believe I cherish most ... emotions. And

> yes, the initial hit is always the hardest one from which to

> recover. Everything after that is much easier.

>

> Perhaps I did not word my comment well when I spoke to your

> restoration. The fact that you did the work with such care and

> precision translates into passion for me so while you may not have

> felt passion, passion would have been what I would see and

> experience. I would then have (most likely) commented on the

> passion and the 'soul' invested in the restoration.

>

> The neutrality of events (the restoration) would have been painted

> thusly by my heart. :-)

>

> Raven

>

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I can come at this from a different angle. I don't like believing ill

of people - I am having to accept this now and it is a painful

lesson; but I have found it really hard that some people are just not

nice. Theoretically I understand it, but I cannot understand really

deeply why people are not nice - it doesn't fully compute.

When I see people being nasty I don't truly understand it, but now I

am accepting of that is just sometimes the way it is. I suppose I

want to understand their reasons, what made them this way? why do

they feel the need to behave the way they do? what happened to them

that to them they felt justified somehow? I suppose I seek to

understand, but also know now best to steer clear :-)

> >

> > " they dont see what you do "

>

> Even if I explain it to them? Do they still not understand and not

> want

> to admit it or are their minds closed or do they just not listen?

>

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Mmmmmmmmmmm vent time :-)

The woman who will become head of my son's school in September is

basically a nasty peiece of work (and this coming from somoene who

hates to think ill of people :-) ). She has clawed her way to a top

posistion, because she knows how to play the social games, knows all

the right answers. She is very two faced and to be honest scary, her

smile to me is like grinning death.

Now I worry that corruption will be at the top and it will filter

down, not many think this will happen, but I believe it will not take

her long to screw up a really good school :-(

>

>

> In a message dated 6/2/2006 1:26:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> no_reply writes:

>

> In the case of the fellow who committed bank fraud, I initially

got

> the idea he was " oily " and I never warmed to him nor he to me.

After

> a while, he just treated me indifferently. But he treated

everyoine

> else very nice. He always smiled and told wonderful jokes.

>

>

>

> A fellow who ran one of the small mills near my place in Alabama

was like

> that. I met him one time and he just felt " wrong " . There was just

the aura about

> him that made my skin crawl and feel in need of a shower after

shaking hands

> with him. He and his brother managed to run the mill into the

ground, a mill

> that their father had built up from nothing. Left the town with a

nice

> environmental mess too: bad creosote storage and handling systems

that were 20

> years out of date. Bad management and putting off the clean up

finally got

> creditors and the state version of the EPA to close them down. Put

a lot of

> people out of work.

>

> He had this nice big house built off on a side road a few miles out

of town.

> No one lives in it now and no telling if it will sell any time soon

since it

> is in kind of a God foresaken location. My place is out of the way,

but at

> least it is on the main road and you can see people coming.

>

>

>

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Raven wrote: " Yes, I really should think twice about posting when I

am taking a break from writing lyrics. :-o "

wrote: " Nah - your painting some lovely pictures :-) "

Thank you, . :-D

Raven

[Guest guest]

>

> Mmmmmmmmmmm vent time :-)

>

> The woman who will become head of my son's school in September is

> basically a nasty peiece of work (and this coming from somoene who

> hates to think ill of people :-) ). She has clawed her way to a

top

> posistion, because she knows how to play the social games, knows

all

> the right answers. She is very two faced and to be honest scary,

her

> smile to me is like grinning death.

>

> Now I worry that corruption will be at the top and it will filter

> down, not many think this will happen, but I believe it will not

take

> her long to screw up a really good school :-(

>

>

I am hoping that this possibility does not come to fruition. How do

the other parents feel about this new administrator? Is there some

way that the parents can create a parents' collective and prepare

for the potentially negative decisions this new person may make for

the school ... put into place some back up plans as a preventative

measure? In the meantime, remember you have support here upon which

you can draw.

Raven

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In a message dated 6/2/2006 7:03:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, julie.stevenson16@... writes:

I do have emotions, but most times they not really present; the only times they seem to impede me is in matters of love and now I am aware of that and becoming much more dicerning.

Most of the time they aren't present with me either.

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In a message dated 6/2/2006 12:43:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikecarrie01@... writes:

I wish people didn't have such a problem admitting when they are wrong. So. No one is right all the time and we all get fooled or are mistaken about things. Just admit you were wrong and learn from it, and continue in harmony and good spirits instead of letting it mess you up. It's more attractive to see someone admit they're wrong then not.

My mother could learn that lesson. She NEVER admits when she is wrong even if I can prove it without doubt.

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,

Is this woman now principal? Your description of her reminds me of

our school's fourth grade teacher, her grin makes me queasy.

She has been a thorn in my & many other parents sides. I have

neighbors whose children were taught by her who are now recieving

their masters and can still recall how aweful she was to them.

Personally, I've had to deal with her for 8 years and am now,

finally after gathering enough outrage, have worked with other

parents to compile some written complaints.

These complaints have been brought to the prinicpal's attention and

we felt individually placated. I demanded change this year and did

have some small victories for my son. Now the parents have sent

these letters we gathered on up the chain to those who may be able

to initiate change.

Keep written records and find out who is above this person!

Encourage others to do the same. For as many parents I've spoken to

about this teacher, who voiced to me the problems encountered, we

should have a encylopedia but what we did send in is far less.

People are afraid, of what I do not know. Also, if you have a Local

School Council, it would be a good idea to keep them in mind when

adressing school policy complaints or issues. Chin up

Kim

> >

> > Mmmmmmmmmmm vent time :-)

> >

> > The woman who will become head of my son's school in September

is

> > basically a nasty peiece of work (and this coming from somoene

who

> > hates to think ill of people :-) ). She has clawed her way to a

> top

> > posistion, because she knows how to play the social games, knows

> all

> > the right answers. She is very two faced and to be honest scary,

> her

> > smile to me is like grinning death.

> >

> > Now I worry that corruption will be at the top and it will

filter

> > down, not many think this will happen, but I believe it will not

> take

> > her long to screw up a really good school :-(

> >

> >

>

> I am hoping that this possibility does not come to fruition. How

do

> the other parents feel about this new administrator? Is there

some

> way that the parents can create a parents' collective and prepare

> for the potentially negative decisions this new person may make

for

> the school ... put into place some back up plans as a preventative

> measure? In the meantime, remember you have support here upon

which

> you can draw.

>

> Raven

>

[Guest guest]

" Theoretically I understand it, but I cannot understand really > deeply why people are not nice - it doesn't fully compute."

I think people aren't nice because most of the time they are "looking out for Number 1", meaning themselves. Because of this, they will step on others or tear them down to get that extra fraction of an inch ahead. ation under an effective leader is usually better since a rising sea will raise all boats.

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In a message dated 6/2/2006 1:12:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikecarrie01@... writes:

Maybe saw that same program on the History Channel about it.

We've probably seen the same one, though I have seen several that have mentioned the fungus link to the witch hysteria of that time.

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In a message dated 6/2/2006 1:17:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikecarrie01@... writes:

I was watching a program last night about children in the foster care program who have had multiple placements.

Stories of criminals with very long records constantly being let back out on the street always raise my ire. Its obvious those people are going to go right back to what they have always been doing, so keep them in jail for the rest of their lives. Do they seriously think that someone with a 30 year criminal record pages long is really going to shape up?

I thin the logical solution to that would be to put a probation halfway house in the neighborhoods of the judges and parole board members when the sex offenders and those with the worst records will be sent for a year or two before being fully released. Once they would have to directly face the consequences, and not just read about in the paper, you'd see those people do the time they deserve.

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In a message dated 6/2/2006 1:17:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, mikecarrie01@... writes:

I was watching a program last night about children in the foster care program who have had multiple placements.

Stories of criminals with very long records constantly being let back out on the street always raise my ire. Its obvious those people are going to go right back to what they have always been doing, so keep them in jail for the rest of their lives. Do they seriously think that someone with a 30 year criminal record pages long is really going to shape up?

I thin the logical solution to that would be to put a probation halfway house in the neighborhoods of the judges and parole board members when the sex offenders and those with the worst records will be sent for a year or two before being fully released. Once they would have to directly face the consequences, and not just read about in the paper, you'd see those people do the time they deserve.

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Some of the other parents are aware of her yes and how she is, but

not many seem as concerned as me.

I think once she gets there she'll be hiring and firing as she sees

fit, which roughly translated anyone who stands in her way she will

try and get rid off and she will try and infiltrate the rest or bring

in those who will play her political games :-( sad and I thought

school was meant to be about the students and their needs and

education, how wrong I am. :-(

> >

> > Mmmmmmmmmmm vent time :-)

> >

> > The woman who will become head of my son's school in September is

> > basically a nasty peiece of work (and this coming from somoene

who

> > hates to think ill of people :-) ). She has clawed her way to a

> top

> > posistion, because she knows how to play the social games, knows

> all

> > the right answers. She is very two faced and to be honest scary,

> her

> > smile to me is like grinning death.

> >

> > Now I worry that corruption will be at the top and it will filter

> > down, not many think this will happen, but I believe it will not

> take

> > her long to screw up a really good school :-(

> >

> >

>

> I am hoping that this possibility does not come to fruition. How

do

> the other parents feel about this new administrator? Is there some

> way that the parents can create a parents' collective and prepare

> for the potentially negative decisions this new person may make for

> the school ... put into place some back up plans as a preventative

> measure? In the meantime, remember you have support here upon

which

> you can draw.

>

> Raven

>

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In a message dated 6/2/2006 2:18:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, drumthis2001@... writes:

I just watched an episode on polar bears and only 1 in 20 hunts are successful with them. They keep going though. Rudyard Kipling said success and failure are imposters. That sort of ties in well.

Hunger is a great motivator. Polar bears will take the easy route of raiding human garbage dumps if they can though and some of them have become permanant residents in places.

I've never heard that quote by Kipling, but here is another from who I don't know: Success has a thousand fathers but failure is an orphan.

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In a message dated 6/2/2006 2:18:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, drumthis2001@... writes:

I just watched an episode on polar bears and only 1 in 20 hunts are successful with them. They keep going though. Rudyard Kipling said success and failure are imposters. That sort of ties in well.

Hunger is a great motivator. Polar bears will take the easy route of raiding human garbage dumps if they can though and some of them have become permanant residents in places.

I've never heard that quote by Kipling, but here is another from who I don't know: Success has a thousand fathers but failure is an orphan.

[Guest guest]

My aunt works on an education committee and her motto seems to be, "not if I have anything to do with it". She has a degree in education philosophy or something and has alot of say about who and what the teachers will be in the gifted classes. Her kids go to the gifted classes and her along with her team have accomplished alot. So, just adding to 's comment here not to give up hope and maybe find a person with kids or a degree in education philosophy who cares about doing good things for their community. Kim <6emini@...> wrote: ,Is this woman now principal? Your description of her reminds me of our school's fourth grade teacher, her grin makes me queasy. She has been a thorn in my & many other parents sides. I have neighbors whose children were taught by her who are now recieving

their masters and can still recall how aweful she was to them. Personally, I've had to deal with her for 8 years and am now, finally after gathering enough outrage, have worked with other parents to compile some written complaints. These complaints have been brought to the prinicpal's attention and we felt individually placated. I demanded change this year and did have some small victories for my son. Now the parents have sent these letters we gathered on up the chain to those who may be able to initiate change. Keep written records and find out who is above this person! Encourage others to do the same. For as many parents I've spoken to about this teacher, who voiced to me the problems encountered, we should have a encylopedia but what we did send in is far less. People are afraid, of what I do not know. Also, if you have a Local School Council, it

would be a good idea to keep them in mind when adressing school policy complaints or issues. Chin up :)Kim> >> > Mmmmmmmmmmm vent time :-)> > > > The woman who will become head of my son's school in September is > > basically a nasty peiece of work (and this coming from somoene who > > hates to think ill of people :-) ). She has clawed her way to a > top > > posistion, because she knows how to play the social games, knows > all > > the right answers. She is very two faced and to be honest scary, > her > > smile to me is like grinning death.> > > > Now I worry that corruption will be at the top and

it will filter > > down, not many think this will happen, but I believe it will not > take > > her long to screw up a really good school :-(> > > > > > I am hoping that this possibility does not come to fruition. How do > the other parents feel about this new administrator? Is there some > way that the parents can create a parents' collective and prepare > for the potentially negative decisions this new person may make for > the school ... put into place some back up plans as a preventative > measure? In the meantime, remember you have support here upon which > you can draw.> > Raven> __________________________________________________

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>

>> " The truth is not always pretty. The truth, however, is always

> reliable and is always dependable and is always unchangeable. And

> the truth demands courage. When one lacks the courage of their

> convictions, the truth is a difficult reality to face. "

Well said, Crunchy Granola Spirit.

>

[Guest guest]

" Soul is not about emotions run amuck. Soul is

> about acknowledging and validating that emotion and logic have found

> collided with such intensity that they have moved forward to achieve

> the same end hence ... SOUL. "

Wow.

>

> " Yes, I really should think twice about posting when I am taking a

> break from writing lyrics. :-o "

No no no, thank goodness you're writing these things down.

>

[Guest guest]

" Soul is not about emotions run amuck. Soul is

> about acknowledging and validating that emotion and logic have found

> collided with such intensity that they have moved forward to achieve

> the same end hence ... SOUL. "

Wow.

>

> " Yes, I really should think twice about posting when I am taking a

> break from writing lyrics. :-o "

No no no, thank goodness you're writing these things down.

>

[Guest guest]

> " When he got caught a few people made jokes about me being a " fraud

> radar " but most people seemed bitter that I was right about someone

> they liked being two-faced. "

I wish people didn't have such a problem admitting when they are wrong.

So. No one is right all the time and we all get fooled or are mistaken

about things. Just admit you were wrong and learn from it, and continue

in harmony and good spirits instead of letting it mess you up. It's

more attractive to see someone admit they're wrong then not.

>

> " People would rather believe what they want to believe than believe

> the truth. "

>

I know you've posted a lot about this before, Tom, and I took it in,

thank you, I just can't seem to accept it I guess. Without the truth,

of what value is anything--it sits on a foundation of mud that will

just slide away taking whatever you've built upon it with it.

[Guest guest]

>

> " A fellow who ran one of the small mills near my place in Alabama was

like

> that. I met him one time and he just felt " wrong " . There was just the

aura about

> him that made my skin crawl and feel in need of a shower after

shaking hands

> with him. "

My husband expresses this type of reaction he gets from some people in

the same way you are here.

[Guest guest]

>>

> " What bugs me conversing with some non aspies is that they instantly

> say 'I understand' when they often do not at all. I tend to say, 'I

> can relate', or 'I think I can relate', 'I think I understand' - how

> can one presume to know how another is, especially if they do not

> know that person very well. "

Same here. If they've gone through something bad I say, " I can only

imagine... "

>

>

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>

> " I wonder if this is why aspies are less susceptable to this? Aspies

> generally use logic and facts rather than emotions? "

I have strong emotions but my logical side is just as strong. I've

learned too, that sometimes emotions play a part and without emotions

logic can go astray. I wish I could explain this better but I can't

think how.

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>

> " Most of the time my emotions do not seem present. I have been in

> situations where other people to me appear to get over emotional

and

> I do not understand it. "

>

>I was watching a program last night about children in the foster

care program who have had multiple placements. Many have been abused

or had bad childhoods before being placed so they have problems that

the foster parents can't handle and they give them up. My emotions

and my logic were having a war. I was overwhelmed by sadness for

these children--their sorrowful pained faces and their comments about

how they have no one in the world that cares about them, that I

almost couldn't take it. Then I thought, how can this problem be

fixed? If someone takes a child like that their lives will be

hellish. What can be done? How to make them happy and healthy if

having people that care about them is necessary but can't happen

because they have problems. The emotion made me care strongly but the

logic didn't allow me to do anything rash but to find a solution,

while emotion keeps me thinking about it, not relegating it to an

unimportant status in my brain. Maybe if emotion and logic are in

balance, that's the best thing. I don't know.