Re: Pseudo Culture

August 10, 2005

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> You call humanity idiots in your mind. That's discrimination..

No, it is not. We are still allowed to think whatever we like. It is

when you say it publicly it becomes discrimination.

> I don't want to be attached to any possible stigma from the actions of

> other so called individuals

> with autism whom name call and stereotype others because of there

> experiences.

If there is something I really dislike it is is " individual wih autism " .

Extremely

derogatory. It implies our personality is a disorder, and thus that we are

idiots.

> What if an individual without a form of autism called individuals with any

> form of autism idiots?

They do all the time when they label as with various disorders. In many

people's

minds these disorders are synomous to idiots.

Leif

August 10, 2005

Absolutely not, I'm not for aborting babies in the womb that are autism.

No it is illogical as I never heard of the term N.T prior to some online groups. Trust me most individuals of any form of autism wont even adapt to the term N.T.

Is the term ignorance coming from another site I type on? Its the only referential I have.

J

Hoyaah

Leif Ekblad <leif@...> wrote:

:> The talk concerning testing babies for autism and if they have it to abort > the babies is based upon total ignorance.Why is this based on total ignorance? I think this is a real possibility that could come into beingsooner than why might think. Or do you find aborting autistic babies a good thing we shouldstrive for?> It has nothing to do with the illogical term N.T.It has everything to do with the terms NT and Aspie!Leif

August 10, 2005

>Tom writes: " Perhaps I am idealizing here, but I wish we could get passed

>the whining and moaning stage and try to look toward what can be done about

>encouarging one another and positively motivating ourselves to achieve our

>goals.

Rainbow:

> By collectively focusing our talents and energies to become a positive

> role model for the sake of our children's children!

Exactly, Rainbow. We should focus on our children and their children. If we

can make their upbringing better than

ours we have succeeded. I can easily see that my children didn't get a

better treatment from society than I did, so

the current generation seems lost in this respect. Clearly what is needed

first is understanding in schools and

kindergarten by the indviduals *working there*. If society still doesn't

understand that autism is not a

disorder I can see we have a long way to go before things will become better

for the coming generations.

Leif

August 10, 2005

True a bigot can think and act like he does in a free speech place and not get punished for it.. Free will and all..

I was called idiot and stupid on a daily basis from a bully. IF you want to call people idiot other then in a polical sense go ahead.. I'll just know you are a bully yourself.

Are you new? I follow the forums respect guidlines.

Leif Ekblad <leif@...> wrote:

:> You call humanity idiots in your mind. That's discrimination..No, it is not. We are still allowed to think whatever we like. It iswhen you say it publicly it becomes discrimination.> I don't want to be attached to any possible stigma from the actions of > other so called individuals> with autism whom name call and stereotype others because of there > experiences.If there is something I really dislike it is is "individual wih autism". Extremelyderogatory. It implies our personality is a disorder, and thus that we are idiots.> What if an individual without a form of autism called individuals with any > form of autism idiots?They do all the time when they label as with various disorders. In many people'sminds these disorders are synomous to

idiots.Leif

August 10, 2005

Rainbow:

> Thanks, Tom. Because of my APT instincts my children were taken from me at

> the tender ages of two and four. I was considered

> to be a danger to their health and safety.

Rainbow, if anything is detrimental to Aspie-NT relations it is when NTs

think they know that

our children are " suffering " and that we don't understand their best. You

are not alone having

experienced this. Our family have virtually been persecuted by social

authorities for ten years,

and our smallest has been " kidnapped " . This is not only happening to us,

this is a common

problem in Aspie-NT relations.

If this doesn't stop, it will really make relations between Aspies and NTs

unpleasant. It

is very hard for a parent that has been through this to be anything than

hostile to NTs

and society.

Worse yet, I don't see any autism organisation being interested in the

problem either.

Leif

August 10, 2005

Leif,

Let it pass brother.

Your children will know you later. Plenty of time.

I can relate. If you want to know how, ask me.

Success is the best form of revenge.

We have many years left.

Shaun.Leif Ekblad <leif@...> wrote:

Rainbow:> Thanks, Tom. Because of my APT instincts my children were taken from me at > the tender ages of two and four. I was considered> to be a danger to their health and safety.Rainbow, if anything is detrimental to Aspie-NT relations it is when NTs think they know thatour children are "suffering" and that we don't understand their best. You are not alone havingexperienced this. Our family have virtually been persecuted by social authorities for ten years,and our smallest has been "kidnapped". This is not only happening to us, this is a commonproblem in Aspie-NT relations.If this doesn't stop, it will really make relations between Aspies and NTs unpleasant. Itis very hard for a parent that has been through this to be anything than hostile to NTsand society.Worse yet, I don't see any

autism organisation being interested in the problem either.Leif__________________________________________________

August 10, 2005

I actually like the concept of a "kibbutz".

Community looking after each other.

One can only dream.

S.Leif Ekblad <leif@...> wrote:

>Tom writes: "Perhaps I am idealizing here, but I wish we could get passed >the whining and moaning stage and try to look toward what can be done about >encouarging one another and positively motivating ourselves to achieve our >goals.Rainbow:> By collectively focusing our talents and energies to become a positive > role model for the sake of our children's children!Exactly, Rainbow. We should focus on our children and their children. If we can make their upbringing better thanours we have succeeded. I can easily see that my children didn't get a better treatment from society than I did, sothe current generation seems lost in this respect. Clearly what is needed first is understanding in schools andkindergarten by the indviduals *working there*. If society still doesn't understand that autism is

not adisorder I can see we have a long way to go before things will become better for the coming generations.Leif__________________________________________________

August 10, 2005

guys, is what is.

The real issue is how we can utilize our talents in a cohesive way.

We are different, so what are we going to do about it?

S.Leif Ekblad <leif@...> wrote:

:> You call humanity idiots in your mind. That's discrimination..No, it is not. We are still allowed to think whatever we like. It iswhen you say it publicly it becomes discrimination.> I don't want to be attached to any possible stigma from the actions of > other so called individuals> with autism whom name call and stereotype others because of there > experiences.If there is something I really dislike it is is "individual wih autism". Extremelyderogatory. It implies our personality is a disorder, and thus that we are idiots.> What if an individual without a form of autism called individuals with any > form of autism idiots?They do all the time when they label as with various disorders. In many people'sminds these disorders are synomous to

idiots.Leif__________________________________________________

August 10, 2005

An Aspie Business Empire!S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

guys, is what is.

The real issue is how we can utilize our talents in a cohesive way.

We are different, so what are we going to do about it?

S.

August 10, 2005

I'm always open to suggestion!!natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

An Aspie Business Empire!S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

guys, is what is.

The real issue is how we can utilize our talents in a cohesive way.

We are different, so what are we going to do about it?

S.__________________________________________________

August 10, 2005

I 've got a server and internet marketing skills. An obsession for online market research.

S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

I'm always open to suggestion!!natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

An Aspie Business Empire!S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

guys, is what is.

The real issue is how we can utilize our talents in a cohesive way.

We are different, so what are we going to do about it?

S.

__________________________________________________

August 10, 2005

hey ,

Thats awesome man.

Have a look what I've got and see if it interests you.

I wont say what it is but it should be under files.

Let me know what you think.

Shaun.natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

I 've got a server and internet marketing skills. An obsession for online market research.

S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

I'm always open to suggestion!!natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

An Aspie Business Empire!S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

guys, is what is.

The real issue is how we can utilize our talents in a cohesive way.

We are different, so what are we going to do about it?

S.

__________________________________________________

August 10, 2005

What are you speaking about?S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

hey ,

Thats awesome man.

Have a look what I've got and see if it interests you.

I wont say what it is but it should be under files.

Let me know what you think.

Shaun.natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

I 've got a server and internet marketing skills. An obsession for online market research.

S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

I'm always open to suggestion!!natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

An Aspie Business Empire!S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

guys, is what is.

The real issue is how we can utilize our talents in a cohesive way.

We are different, so what are we going to do about it?

S.

__________________________________________________

August 10, 2005

Just my interest , heres the link.

With your skill and my concept.... who knows.

I'm sure you will be the first to view it.

But yes , a secret business empire of Aspies.

S.

/files/Aspie%20ideas%20/natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

What are you speaking about?S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

hey ,

Thats awesome man.

Have a look what I've got and see if it interests you.

I wont say what it is but it should be under files.

Let me know what you think.

Shaun.natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

I 've got a server and internet marketing skills. An obsession for online market research.

S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

I'm always open to suggestion!!natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

An Aspie Business Empire!S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

guys, is what is.

The real issue is how we can utilize our talents in a cohesive way.

We are different, so what are we going to do about it?

S.

__________________________________________________

August 10, 2005

Everytime I loaded it my pc froze. Was that a dome house?S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

Just my interest , heres the link.

With your skill and my concept.... who knows.

I'm sure you will be the first to view it.

But yes , a secret business empire of Aspies.

S.

/files/Aspie%20ideas%20/natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

What are you speaking about?S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

hey ,

Thats awesome man.

Have a look what I've got and see if it interests you.

I wont say what it is but it should be under files.

Let me know what you think.

Shaun.natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

I 've got a server and internet marketing skills. An obsession for online market research.

S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

I'm always open to suggestion!!natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

An Aspie Business Empire!S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

guys, is what is.

The real issue is how we can utilize our talents in a cohesive way.

We are different, so what are we going to do about it?

S.

__________________________________________________

August 10, 2005

Viable Underwater complex.natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

Everytime I loaded it my pc froze. Was that a dome house?S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

Just my interest , heres the link.

With your skill and my concept.... who knows.

I'm sure you will be the first to view it.

But yes , a secret business empire of Aspies.

S.

/files/Aspie%20ideas%20/natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

What are you speaking about?S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

hey ,

Thats awesome man.

Have a look what I've got and see if it interests you.

I wont say what it is but it should be under files.

Let me know what you think.

Shaun.natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

I 've got a server and internet marketing skills. An obsession for online market research.

S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

I'm always open to suggestion!!natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

An Aspie Business Empire!S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

guys, is what is.

The real issue is how we can utilize our talents in a cohesive way.

We are different, so what are we going to do about it?

S.

__________________________________________________

August 10, 2005

Viable Underwater complex.natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

Everytime I loaded it my pc froze. Was that a dome house?S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

Just my interest , heres the link.

With your skill and my concept.... who knows.

I'm sure you will be the first to view it.

But yes , a secret business empire of Aspies.

S.

/files/Aspie%20ideas%20/natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

What are you speaking about?S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

hey ,

Thats awesome man.

Have a look what I've got and see if it interests you.

I wont say what it is but it should be under files.

Let me know what you think.

Shaun.natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

I 've got a server and internet marketing skills. An obsession for online market research.

S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

I'm always open to suggestion!!natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

An Aspie Business Empire!S W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

guys, is what is.

The real issue is how we can utilize our talents in a cohesive way.

We are different, so what are we going to do about it?

S.

__________________________________________________

August 10, 2005

Very eccentric indeedS W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

Viable Underwater complex.

August 10, 2005

Very eccentric indeedS W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

Viable Underwater complex.

August 10, 2005

If you give me your email I'll send it to you.

S.

I'll try to attach.

All it is is a concept, but with slick marketing, a money and attention getter.

natronpc <globalmerchantorg@...> wrote:

Very eccentric indeedS W <scwmachinations@...> wrote:

Viable Underwater complex.__________________________________________________

August 10, 2005

S:

> I actually like the concept of a " kibbutz " .

> Community looking after each other.

> One can only dream.

Me too, but that kibbutz would have to be made

up of mostly Aspies and friendly NTs. We know

too well what's happened to many Aspies when

they tried to socialize with NTs (bullying).

Besides, today's foster care industry could

hardly be considered a " kibbutz " . Part of

the strategy in these placements is to allienate

parents from their children. This is usually

done by restricting their right to see the child,

or placing it far from home.

Leif

August 10, 2005

, you are perfectly free to have your views. And everyone else here is free to have theirs. OK?

If you don't want to use the label NT because you find it illogical, then no one is forcing you to. If others still want to use it because they still find it useful, then that is their choice and you just have to accept that some will continue to do so.

I personally have found your arguments convincing and decided to try and not use it. But I also think those who want to continue using it have presented good reasons for that as well, and I respect their choice as much as I respect yours.

Inger

Re: Pseudo Culture

I have concluded it is nothing other then a social mentality.

In some cases if you do not fit in or do not comply with its philosophy your considered the N.T. That is to say you are considered % N.T and not the reformed mind of its philosophy. So in a way it is like religion.

It has developed in to sub-classifications when it was supposed to be some kind of parody. I can say for myself that it was more then mildly confusing for a while as I took it VERY literally.

I suppose if one does not comply to its ideology one is not as they are diagnosed or simply not of it?

I do not agree with the N.T labeling, individuals seem to take many tests online. The N.T label is not a real diagnosis it is based upon differences in relation to the whole.

So what exists is self (one) in comparative relation to diagnostic criterion. Essentially it is a diagnostic label becoming the social identity then self and group to another I-Complex (individual Complex, another person)

I am not autism, autistic, aspie or Asperger’s. I am myself not pseudo labels.

I suppose it is like a game in a way perhaps. Or a movie and or fan club sayings as to fit in within a social group.I could use the N.T label but it just doesn’t seem to be logical, it seems as if it is based on polarities of extremes of differences in an obviously non-factual highly subjective though rigid conceptual model.

I don't know what words to use to explain, none seem to match my thought.

I'm nothing like anyone I've ever met even those with similarities.. So I'll go ahead and be the black sheep (the odd one out).

Individuals diagnosed with A.S are called odd so some individuals with A.S call the made up label N.T odd. NeuroTypicals don’t exist however, only people not like one-self.

It's simple reversion.

August 10, 2005

No one said they couldn’t, I certainly didn’t.

Just so as long as they know anyone speaking against N.T's is not of me. IF it gets out that N.T's (false concept) are being discriminated against in its illusion or talked badly of in its illusion and it’s used negatively against persons of autism because of this I can promise a debate like none other in intensity.

None needs to be attached to the stigma of the few.

In a debate elsewhere I was told it was a parody, however it’s obviously not. It’s a concept that is taken seriously, literary and active consciously over a computer screen concerning the majority of mankind. An individual surrounded by this IDEA through the explanation of ones differences in relation to the group that one is in common with. It is an easily adapted term and concept to explain those not like one-self.

*N.T term is Slag but they become everywhere in real reality*

Especially being a group mentality and its ideal over the internet becoming of and into the real life mentality. It seems much like a system of uncommon belief, in the group behavior modifications possibly are made via what is and is not aspie and what is and is not N.T it is a conditioned and suggestive social mentality based upon unreal\bias\incorrect facts.

It is a false belief and if I had children they would have nothing to do with it if they were anything like me as well as diagnosed. This is how passionately I feel of this subject.

Inger Lorelei <inglori@...> wrote: