Marty

[Guest guest]

my son just turned 6. He is reading 3.4 or better in reading and

comprehension. He knows math and is an avid science " how things work "

geek.

He was a retarded, unabled to understand his own name type of kid,

with multiple medical problems. Diagnosed with Regressive Autism.

Developmental delay. Severe sensory problems. Ataxia. Dysphagia. MS

symptoms. Seizures. Unexplained rashes / High fevers. Unable to speak.

Severe gastro and immune problems.

I offered therapy at home 24/7. Exemplary nutrition. A desperate need

to help him.

My son may on occasion bump into something, or still have hearing

sensitivities, or unable to accept certain food textures, but he is in

a regular classroom OUT-SHINNING the rest of the first graders.

Can the children recover ??? the answer is yes, trust your instinct.

Not everyone has your childs best interest in mind. THAT IS A FACT.

[Guest guest]

Autism Recovery group did play a role in some of the resource material

I used in determining the best course of action. I want to give this

group of professionals credit for their indirect contribution to my

son's recovery.

Also to the author of the book that open countless eyes to the system

that failed our children and it's citizens.

[Guest guest]

Does this mean Marty doesn't want to talk to us anymore? We can't

help it if we watch our kids improve with biomedical treatments and

conclude that we've identified the problem correctly. Bob

probably learned from some of us how to help his grandson.

It would be nice though, Marty if Bob shared that

knowledge. Check under " Treatments " on the AS website and it doesn't

even mention chelation or methyl B-12, not even under alternative

therapies. HBOT isn't mentioned either.

We don't have all the answers, Marty. We have some though. The

treatments Bob won't mention are the only things that are

actually curing autism. Wouldn't it be nice if some wealthy,

charitable organization spent some money to perfect these treatments

so that they were more effective and more widely available to ALL

autistic children?

As it is Marty, the well educated and dedicated parents who you

find on this list are less than 1% of autism parents. We're the ones

who AS can't fool with their hand in the media blackout against the

truth. What about the other 99% who won't learn how to help their

kids?

I used one of AS's approved therapies called Floortime. I didn't

pay for it though, or even have a name for it. I still get down on

the floor and play with my kid, try to engage him in any possible way

and build on it. That ain't no way to cure mercury poisoning,

Marty. It doesn't help a kid who can't pay attention to anything.

This is not a therapy of any sort. It's just basic decent

parenting.

I think I helped my son swing a golf club with my hands over his

at least 5,000 times. I did it every day from the time he could

stand up until he was nine years old before he ever swung the club

himself. He usually tried to eat the club when I handed it to him to

swing himself. AS would say that was how one of their approved

therapies worked. I say it was the chelation and that I could have

swung that club 500,000 times with him and he never would have done

it himself if I hadn't got some of the mercury out of his brain. Now

he picks up the club himself and hits golf balls without being

prompted just because it's fun.

I think Bob should put that story under " Treatments " to

show that kids with severe autism CAN improve. What do you think,

Marty?

> >

> > But Marty, they've had two years+ and $60,000,000 and countless TV

> > time to show even an inkling of entertaining the biomedical

> > approach. Even if you REALLY wanted to debunk the biomed approach,

> > if you believed with your brain, heart and soul that biomed is

> > bullpuckey (I was told JB owns horsepuckey) you'd allow the

research

> > so you could official proclaim it dead and put the issue to rest.

> > Unless you were are terrified it might be bone fide, in which case

> > you'd do what CANAARSPEAK? has done since its inception. Deny the

> > grants for research, shut down the opposition, cover your ears

with

> > genetic ear muffs and sing " la la la I can't hear you! " and ice

the

> > cake by running a public letter denouncing the biomedical approach

> > taken by the daughter of your founders.

> >

> > At 1 in 150 how many kids have been diagnosed since AS came into

> > being? How many kids has NAAR recovered over the years? A big fat

> > goose egg? Or even attempted to recover? How many dollars of the

> > millions raised by " walking far " helped families avoid divorce or

> > battle school districts for FAPE? Have you created subsidized

speech

> > and OT centers or helped pay for the private schools the Alison

> > Singer's of the world can afford by virtue of their salaries, or

made

> > sure families had enough money left over at the end of the month

to

> > buy that last bag of groceries to stretch to pay day? Autism

> > fincially ruins families. I know. I have a photo of a beautiful

home

> > that used to be my own. It hangs in my cheesy rental house.

> >

> > What have the millions your organization raised and spent done to

> > make the life of ONE autistic child improved? Or do you, Marty,

like

> > the neuros and the psychs believe there IS NO POOSSIBLE

IMPROVEMENT

> > for our children? Do you believe our children are lost causes?

Will

> > AS fund guns so we can take our kids out back and shoot them?

> > Because I wonder, what the hell will happen to my beautiful girls

> > when I am too old to care for them. I worry every day. So I damn

> > well better do everything I can do FIX THEIR ISSUES to the best

of my

> > and their ability. I OWE MY KIDS THAT. AS can help me. I know they

> > can. So far they choose not to. Suzanne likes to

say " Autism

> > knocked on the wrong door. " REALLY? Doesn't she mean " The

> > Spontaneous Genetic Mutation " that has similarly affected tens of

> > thousands of kids " knocked on the wrong door?

> >

> > " You can only hope to make an autistic person's life more

> > comfortable. " I will never forget those words handed to me by a

> > neuro. Ever. They feed my passion every day like raw meat to a

> > lion.

> >

> > Growl.

> >

> > KAKRS

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Marty, Kim asked a valid question,if you do not have an reasonable

answer then you are admitting she is correct. A true champion of

truth would admit that they were unable to dispute her logic.

> >

> > But Marty, they've had two years+ and $60,000,000 and countless TV

> > time to show even an inkling of entertaining the biomedical

> > approach. Even if you REALLY wanted to debunk the biomed approach,

> > if you believed with your brain, heart and soul that biomed is

> > bullpuckey (I was told JB owns horsepuckey) you'd allow the

research

> > so you could official proclaim it dead and put the issue to rest.

> > Unless you were are terrified it might be bone fide, in which case

> > you'd do what CANAARSPEAK? has done since its inception. Deny the

> > grants for research, shut down the opposition, cover your ears

with

> > genetic ear muffs and sing " la la la I can't hear you! " and ice

the

> > cake by running a public letter denouncing the biomedical approach

> > taken by the daughter of your founders.

> >

> > At 1 in 150 how many kids have been diagnosed since AS came into

> > being? How many kids has NAAR recovered over the years? A big fat

> > goose egg? Or even attempted to recover? How many dollars of the

> > millions raised by " walking far " helped families avoid divorce or

> > battle school districts for FAPE? Have you created subsidized

speech

> > and OT centers or helped pay for the private schools the Alison

> > Singer's of the world can afford by virtue of their salaries, or

made

> > sure families had enough money left over at the end of the month

to

> > buy that last bag of groceries to stretch to pay day? Autism

> > fincially ruins families. I know. I have a photo of a beautiful

home

> > that used to be my own. It hangs in my cheesy rental house.

> >

> > What have the millions your organization raised and spent done to

> > make the life of ONE autistic child improved? Or do you, Marty,

like

> > the neuros and the psychs believe there IS NO POOSSIBLE

IMPROVEMENT

> > for our children? Do you believe our children are lost causes?

Will

> > AS fund guns so we can take our kids out back and shoot them?

> > Because I wonder, what the hell will happen to my beautiful girls

> > when I am too old to care for them. I worry every day. So I damn

> > well better do everything I can do FIX THEIR ISSUES to the best

of my

> > and their ability. I OWE MY KIDS THAT. AS can help me. I know they

> > can. So far they choose not to. Suzanne likes to

say " Autism

> > knocked on the wrong door. " REALLY? Doesn't she mean " The

> > Spontaneous Genetic Mutation " that has similarly affected tens of

> > thousands of kids " knocked on the wrong door?

> >

> > " You can only hope to make an autistic person's life more

> > comfortable. " I will never forget those words handed to me by a

> > neuro. Ever. They feed my passion every day like raw meat to a

> > lion.

> >

> > Growl.

> >

> > KAKRS

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, while I appreciate the chivalry, let's not all go after

Marty. Unfortunately, the delay in the list meant my apology to him

went unposted for three days.

KIM

[Guest guest]

That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard.

> > >

> > > But Marty, they've had two years+ and $60,000,000 and

countless TV

> > > time to show even an inkling of entertaining the biomedical

> > > approach. Even if you REALLY wanted to debunk the biomed

approach,

> > > if you believed with your brain, heart and soul that biomed is

> > > bullpuckey (I was told JB owns horsepuckey) you'd allow the

> research

> > > so you could official proclaim it dead and put the issue to

rest.

> > > Unless you were are terrified it might be bone fide, in which

case

> > > you'd do what CANAARSPEAK? has done since its inception. Deny

the

> > > grants for research, shut down the opposition, cover your ears

> with

> > > genetic ear muffs and sing " la la la I can't hear you! " and

ice

> the

> > > cake by running a public letter denouncing the biomedical

approach

> > > taken by the daughter of your founders.

> > >

> > > At 1 in 150 how many kids have been diagnosed since AS came

into

> > > being? How many kids has NAAR recovered over the years? A big

fat

> > > goose egg? Or even attempted to recover? How many dollars of

the

> > > millions raised by " walking far " helped families avoid divorce

or

> > > battle school districts for FAPE? Have you created subsidized

> speech

> > > and OT centers or helped pay for the private schools the Alison

> > > Singer's of the world can afford by virtue of their salaries,

or

> made

> > > sure families had enough money left over at the end of the

month

> to

> > > buy that last bag of groceries to stretch to pay day? Autism

> > > fincially ruins families. I know. I have a photo of a

beautiful

> home

> > > that used to be my own. It hangs in my cheesy rental house.

> > >

> > > What have the millions your organization raised and spent done

to

> > > make the life of ONE autistic child improved? Or do you,

Marty,

> like

> > > the neuros and the psychs believe there IS NO POOSSIBLE

> IMPROVEMENT

> > > for our children? Do you believe our children are lost causes?

> Will

> > > AS fund guns so we can take our kids out back and shoot them?

> > > Because I wonder, what the hell will happen to my beautiful

girls

> > > when I am too old to care for them. I worry every day. So I

damn

> > > well better do everything I can do FIX THEIR ISSUES to the

best

> of my

> > > and their ability. I OWE MY KIDS THAT. AS can help me. I know

they

> > > can. So far they choose not to. Suzanne likes to

> say " Autism

> > > knocked on the wrong door. " REALLY? Doesn't she mean " The

> > > Spontaneous Genetic Mutation " that has similarly affected tens

of

> > > thousands of kids " knocked on the wrong door?

> > >

> > > " You can only hope to make an autistic person's life more

> > > comfortable. " I will never forget those words handed to me by a

> > > neuro. Ever. They feed my passion every day like raw meat to a

> > > lion.

> > >

> > > Growl.

> > >

> > > KAKRS

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Kim, I am fine continuing any discussion and will be honest about how I feel as well as the past as long as we keep to a productibe discussion. I have no problerm with anyone expressing any view on autism or treatments but I trust you know I do not see any individual with an ASD as a lost cause or without hope.

Marty

---- Original message ----

Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 20:21:36 -0000

From: "krstagliano" <KRStagliano@...>

Subject: Re: Marty

EOHarm

No, I'm really asking the question because you are the source. I've

never had the opportunity to talk to anyone who has had the influence

you've had. If you go that far back w/ NAAR you're a treasure trove

of perspective. If I'm dead wrong tell me. I'm happy to listen. I

don't think AS is listening to a large portion of the community right

now. I'm fairly even keeled in keeping my mind open. Even if my

questions exude more passion than I mean to.

Yours,

KIM

> >

> > But Marty, they've had two years+ and $60,000,000 and countless TV

> > time to show even an inkling of entertaining the biomedical

> > approach. Even if you REALLY wanted to debunk the biomed approach,

> > if you believed with your brain, heart and soul that biomed is

> > bullpuckey (I was told JB owns horsepuckey) you'd allow the

research

> > so you could official proclaim it dead and put the issue to rest.

> > Unless you were are terrified it might be bone fide, in which case

> > you'd do what CANAARSPEAK? has done since its inception. Deny the

> > grants for research, shut down the opposition, cover your ears

with

> > genetic ear muffs and sing "la la la I can't hear you!" and ice

the

> > cake by running a public letter denouncing the biomedical approach

> > taken by the daughter of your founders.

> >

> > At 1 in 150 how many kids have been diagnosed since AS came into

> > being? How many kids has NAAR recovered over the years? A big fat

> > goose egg? Or even attempted to recover? How many dollars of the

> > millions raised by "walking far" helped families avoid divorce or

> > battle school districts for FAPE? Have you created subsidized

speech

> > and OT centers or helped pay for the private schools the Alison

> > Singer's of the world can afford by virtue of their salaries, or

made

> > sure families had enough money left over at the end of the month

to

> > buy that last bag of groceries to stretch to pay day? Autism

> > fincially ruins families. I know. I have a photo of a beautiful

home

> > that used to be my own. It hangs in my cheesy rental house.

> >

> > What have the millions your organization raised and spent done to

> > make the life of ONE autistic child improved? Or do you, Marty,

like

> > the neuros and the psychs believe there IS NO POOSSIBLE

IMPROVEMENT

> > for our children? Do you believe our children are lost causes?

Will

> > AS fund guns so we can take our kids out back and shoot them?

> > Because I wonder, what the hell will happen to my beautiful girls

> > when I am too old to care for them. I worry every day. So I damn

> > well better do everything I can do FIX THEIR ISSUES to the best

of my

> > and their ability. I OWE MY KIDS THAT. AS can help me. I know they

> > can. So far they choose not to. Suzanne likes to

say "Autism

> > knocked on the wrong door." REALLY? Doesn't she mean "The

> > Spontaneous Genetic Mutation" that has similarly affected tens of

> > thousands of kids" knocked on the wrong door?

> >

> > "You can only hope to make an autistic person's life more

> > comfortable." I will never forget those words handed to me by a

> > neuro. Ever. They feed my passion every day like raw meat to a

> > lion.

> >

> > Growl.

> >

> > KAKRS

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think it's ridiculous at all. A statement was made a question was asked. It was not responded to or answered it was blown off as was the poster. I think Kim is correct. And I think is correct. And Marty is not responding to either of them. Why not? helena_batts <helena_batts@...> wrote: That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard.> > >> > > But Marty, they've had two years+ and $60,000,000 and countless TV> > > time to show even an inkling of entertaining the biomedical> > > approach. Even if you REALLY wanted to debunk the biomed approach,> > > if you believed with your brain, heart and soul that biomed is> > > bullpuckey (I was told JB owns horsepuckey) you'd allow the > research> > > so you could official proclaim it dead and put the issue to rest.> > > Unless you were are terrified it might be bone fide, in which case> > > you'd do what CANAARSPEAK? has done since its inception. Deny the> > > grants for research, shut down the opposition, cover your ears > with> > > genetic ear

muffs and sing "la la la I can't hear you!" and ice > the> > > cake by running a public letter denouncing the biomedical approach> > > taken by the daughter of your founders.> > >> > > At 1 in 150 how many kids have been diagnosed since AS came into> > > being? How many kids has NAAR recovered over the years? A big fat> > > goose egg? Or even attempted to recover? How many dollars of the> > > millions raised by "walking far" helped families avoid divorce or> > > battle school districts for FAPE? Have you created subsidized > speech> > > and OT centers or helped pay for the private schools the Alison> > > Singer's of the world can afford by virtue of their salaries, or > made> > > sure families had enough money left over at the end of the month > to> > > buy

that last bag of groceries to stretch to pay day? Autism> > > fincially ruins families. I know. I have a photo of a beautiful > home> > > that used to be my own. It hangs in my cheesy rental house.> > >> > > What have the millions your organization raised and spent done to> > > make the life of ONE autistic child improved? Or do you, Marty, > like> > > the neuros and the psychs believe there IS NO POOSSIBLE > IMPROVEMENT> > > for our children? Do you believe our children are lost causes? > Will> > > AS fund guns so we can take our kids out back and shoot them?> > > Because I wonder, what the hell will happen to my beautiful girls> > > when I am too old to care for them. I worry every day. So I damn> > > well better do everything I can do FIX THEIR ISSUES to the best > of

my> > > and their ability. I OWE MY KIDS THAT. AS can help me. I know they> > > can. So far they choose not to. Suzanne likes to > say "Autism> > > knocked on the wrong door." REALLY? Doesn't she mean "The> > > Spontaneous Genetic Mutation" that has similarly affected tens of> > > thousands of kids" knocked on the wrong door?> > >> > > "You can only hope to make an autistic person's life more> > > comfortable." I will never forget those words handed to me by a> > > neuro. Ever. They feed my passion every day like raw meat to a> > > lion.> > >> > > Growl.> > >> > > KAKRS> > >> >>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Marty. I was horrified that the list FROZE dead at the apex

of our discussion.

KS

> > >

> > > But Marty, they've had two years+ and

> $60,000,000 and countless TV

> > > time to show even an inkling of entertaining

> the biomedical

> > > approach. Even if you REALLY wanted to debunk

> the biomed approach,

> > > if you believed with your brain, heart and

> soul that biomed is

> > > bullpuckey (I was told JB owns horsepuckey)

> you'd allow the

> research

> > > so you could official proclaim it dead and put

> the issue to rest.

> > > Unless you were are terrified it might be bone

> fide, in which case

> > > you'd do what CANAARSPEAK? has done since its

> inception. Deny the

> > > grants for research, shut down the opposition,

> cover your ears

> with

> > > genetic ear muffs and sing " la la la I can't

> hear you! " and ice

> the

> > > cake by running a public letter denouncing the

> biomedical approach

> > > taken by the daughter of your founders.

> > >

> > > At 1 in 150 how many kids have been diagnosed

> since AS came into

> > > being? How many kids has NAAR recovered over

> the years? A big fat

> > > goose egg? Or even attempted to recover? How

> many dollars of the

> > > millions raised by " walking far " helped

> families avoid divorce or

> > > battle school districts for FAPE? Have you

> created subsidized

> speech

> > > and OT centers or helped pay for the private

> schools the Alison

> > > Singer's of the world can afford by virtue of

> their salaries, or

> made

> > > sure families had enough money left over at

> the end of the month

> to

> > > buy that last bag of groceries to stretch to

> pay day? Autism

> > > fincially ruins families. I know. I have a

> photo of a beautiful

> home

> > > that used to be my own. It hangs in my cheesy

> rental house.

> > >

> > > What have the millions your organization

> raised and spent done to

> > > make the life of ONE autistic child improved?

> Or do you, Marty,

> like

> > > the neuros and the psychs believe there IS NO

> POOSSIBLE

> IMPROVEMENT

> > > for our children? Do you believe our children

> are lost causes?

> Will

> > > AS fund guns so we can take our kids out back

> and shoot them?

> > > Because I wonder, what the hell will happen to

> my beautiful girls

> > > when I am too old to care for them. I worry

> every day. So I damn

> > > well better do everything I can do FIX THEIR

> ISSUES to the best

> of my

> > > and their ability. I OWE MY KIDS THAT. AS can

> help me. I know they

> > > can. So far they choose not to. Suzanne

> likes to

> say " Autism

> > > knocked on the wrong door. " REALLY? Doesn't

> she mean " The

> > > Spontaneous Genetic Mutation " that has

> similarly affected tens of

> > > thousands of kids " knocked on the wrong door?

> > >

> > > " You can only hope to make an autistic

> person's life more

> > > comfortable. " I will never forget those words

> handed to me by a

> > > neuro. Ever. They feed my passion every day

> like raw meat to a

> > > lion.

>

> > >

> > > Growl.

> > >

> > > KAKRS

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am glad to hear of your story but not sure I understand the point in context of this thead. I also do not undestand what is meant by the last statemenmt "Not everyone has your childs best interest in mind. THAT IS A FACT."

Marty

---- Original message ----

Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:48:09 -0000

From: "vbmoore2" <vbmoore2@...>

Subject: Re: Marty

EOHarm

my son just turned 6. He is reading 3.4 or better in reading and

comprehension. He knows math and is an avid science "how things work"

geek.

He was a retarded, unabled to understand his own name type of kid,

with multiple medical problems. Diagnosed with Regressive Autism.

Developmental delay. Severe sensory problems. Ataxia. Dysphagia. MS

symptoms. Seizures. Unexplained rashes / High fevers. Unable to speak.

Severe gastro and immune problems.

I offered therapy at home 24/7. Exemplary nutrition. A desperate need

to help him.

My son may on occasion bump into something, or still have hearing

sensitivities, or unable to accept certain food textures, but he is in

a regular classroom OUT-SHINNING the rest of the first graders.

Can the children recover ??? the answer is yes, trust your instinct.

Not everyone has your childs best interest in mind. THAT IS A FACT.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Debi as your summary is accurate. I have made it clear many times in the past I did not agree with NAAR on many issues and expressed my views accordingly.

As to DAN and biomed irrespective of whether or not I use it for my son should not be taken as an indication that I am against it. Quite to the contrary I welcome research and further discussion of those topics.

Marty

---- Original message ----

Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 00:44:09 -0000

From: "Debi" <fightingautism@...>

Subject: Re: Marty

EOHarm

I'm sure Marty can speak for himself, but I don't recall on this

thread him ever saying he totally agreed with NAAR or that he wanted

to disprove DAN! or biomed. I think what he said was that it (biomed)

didn't work for his child (unfortunately doesn't work for every

child), but that he knows many it (biomed) has worked for, and that he

thinks both genetic research and biomed have a place, and even asked

for anyone who had a proposal to submit it & he'd try to see it go to

the "right" person at AS. Seems to me like all worthy comments.

Sounds to me like Marty is a reasonable person, I don't understand why

he's getting blasted.

Debi

[Guest guest]

Yes the world goes on. How about we start a new thread with a less controversial caption??

Later

Marty

---- Original message ----

Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:02:50 -0000

From: "krstagliano" <KRStagliano@...>

Subject: Re: Marty

EOHarm

Thanks, Marty. I was horrified that the list FROZE dead at the apex

of our discussion.

KS

> > >

> > > But Marty, they've had two years+ and

> $60,000,000 and countless TV

> > > time to show even an inkling of entertaining

> the biomedical

> > > approach. Even if you REALLY wanted to debunk

> the biomed approach,

> > > if you believed with your brain, heart and

> soul that biomed is

> > > bullpuckey (I was told JB owns horsepuckey)

> you'd allow the

> research

> > > so you could official proclaim it dead and put

> the issue to rest.

> > > Unless you were are terrified it might be bone

> fide, in which case

> > > you'd do what CANAARSPEAK? has done since its

> inception. Deny the

> > > grants for research, shut down the opposition,

> cover your ears

> with

> > > genetic ear muffs and sing "la la la I can't

> hear you!" and ice

> the

> > > cake by running a public letter denouncing the

> biomedical approach

> > > taken by the daughter of your founders.

> > >

> > > At 1 in 150 how many kids have been diagnosed

> since AS came into

> > > being? How many kids has NAAR recovered over

> the years? A big fat

> > > goose egg? Or even attempted to recover? How

> many dollars of the

> > > millions raised by "walking far" helped

> families avoid divorce or

> > > battle school districts for FAPE? Have you

> created subsidized

> speech

> > > and OT centers or helped pay for the private

> schools the Alison

> > > Singer's of the world can afford by virtue of

> their salaries, or

> made

> > > sure families had enough money left over at

> the end of the month

> to

> > > buy that last bag of groceries to stretch to

> pay day? Autism

> > > fincially ruins families. I know. I have a

> photo of a beautiful

> home

> > > that used to be my own. It hangs in my cheesy

> rental house.

> > >

> > > What have the millions your organization

> raised and spent done to

> > > make the life of ONE autistic child improved?

> Or do you, Marty,

> like

> > > the neuros and the psychs believe there IS NO

> POOSSIBLE

> IMPROVEMENT

> > > for our children? Do you believe our children

> are lost causes?

> Will

> > > AS fund guns so we can take our kids out back

> and shoot them?

> > > Because I wonder, what the hell will happen to

> my beautiful girls

> > > when I am too old to care for them. I worry

> every day. So I damn

> > > well better do everything I can do FIX THEIR

> ISSUES to the best

> of my

> > > and their ability. I OWE MY KIDS THAT. AS can

> help me. I know they

> > > can. So far they choose not to. Suzanne

> likes to

> say "Autism

> > > knocked on the wrong door." REALLY? Doesn't

> she mean "The

> > > Spontaneous Genetic Mutation" that has

> similarly affected tens of

> > > thousands of kids" knocked on the wrong door?

> > >

> > > "You can only hope to make an autistic

> person's life more

> > > comfortable." I will never forget those words

> handed to me by a

> > > neuro. Ever. They feed my passion every day

> like raw meat to a

> > > lion.

>

> > >

> > > Growl.

> > >

> > > KAKRS

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I suspect next I will hear I was responsible for the EOH problem as well.

Check with Kim, perhasps there has been a response.

Marty

---- Original message ----

Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 14:00:25 -0700 (PDT)

From: Stella Umbrella <stella_umbrella@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Marty

EOHarm

I don't think it's ridiculous at all.

A statement was made a question was asked. It was not responded to or answered it was blown off as was the poster.

I think Kim is correct. And I think is correct. And Marty is not responding to either of them.

Why not?

helena_batts <helena_batts > wrote:

That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard.

> > >

> > > But Marty, they've had two years+ and $60,000,000 and

countless TV

> > > time to show even an inkling of entertaining the biomedical

> > > approach. Even if you REALLY wanted to debunk the biomed

approach,

> > > if you believed with your brain, heart and soul that biomed is

> > > bullpuckey (I was told JB owns horsepuckey) you'd allow the

> research

> > > so you could official proclaim it dead and put the issue to

rest.

> > > Unless you were are terrified it might be bone fide, in which

case

> > > you'd do what CANAARSPEAK? has done since its inception. Deny

the

> > > grants for research, shut down the opposition, cover your ears

> with

> > > genetic ear

muffs and sing "la la la I can't hear you!" and

ice

> the

> > > cake by running a public letter denouncing the biomedical

approach

> > > taken by the daughter of your founders.

> > >

> > > At 1 in 150 how many kids have been diagnosed since AS came

into

> > > being? How many kids has NAAR recovered over the years? A big

fat

> > > goose egg? Or even attempted to recover? How many dollars of

the

> > > millions raised by "walking far" helped families avoid divorce

or

> > > battle school districts for FAPE? Have you created subsidized

> speech

> > > and OT centers or helped pay for the private schools the Alison

> > > Singer's of the world can afford by virtue of their salaries,

or

> made

> > > sure families had enough money left over at the end of the

month

> to

> > > buy

that last bag of groceries to stretch to pay day? Autism

> > > fincially ruins families. I know. I have a photo of a

beautiful

> home

> > > that used to be my own. It hangs in my cheesy rental house.

> > >

> > > What have the millions your organization raised and spent done

to

> > > make the life of ONE autistic child improved? Or do you,

Marty,

> like

> > > the neuros and the psychs believe there IS NO POOSSIBLE

> IMPROVEMENT

> > > for our children? Do you believe our children are lost causes?

> Will

> > > AS fund guns so we can take our kids out back and shoot them?

> > > Because I wonder, what the hell will happen to my beautiful

girls

> > > when I am too old to care for them. I worry every day. So I

damn

> > > well better do everything I can do FIX THEIR ISSUES to the

best

> of

my

> > > and their ability. I OWE MY KIDS THAT. AS can help me. I know

they

> > > can. So far they choose not to. Suzanne likes to

> say "Autism

> > > knocked on the wrong door." REALLY? Doesn't she mean "The

> > > Spontaneous Genetic Mutation" that has similarly affected tens

of

> > > thousands of kids" knocked on the wrong door?

> > >

> > > "You can only hope to make an autistic person's life more

> > > comfortable." I will never forget those words handed to me by a

> > > neuro. Ever. They feed my passion every day like raw meat to a

> > > lion.

> > >

> > > Growl.

> > >

> > > KAKRS

> > >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

I agree Debi, I LOVE this list but, it sometimes reminds me of my

church work 20 years ago were some members of the church thought the

enemy was the church down the street that was building a new church

building, and was afraid that they would still some of our members

because of there new building and I was always reminding them the

enemy was not the new church it was satan, ie, to me the enemy is the

CDC, IOM, FDA and Offit.

To me we (the autism community) are all trying to get to the same

place (like the church members) a cure for our love ones.

One more similarity is the church also attacks there hurting, ever got

a divorce while going to a baptist church, I did, 15 years ago and

there are some members that still will not speak to me, but still

attack me.

I have said it before there are some organizations that are going for

the hail mary and I am SO glad they are there and hope they are

successful and some organizations are just trying to get a 1st & 10 ie

autism speaks and I am glad there are there just in case the hail mary

organizations are not successful.

and I have said it before, To quote the great theologian Rodney King

" can't, can't, can't we all just get along "

I have a dream that someday Bob will have a press conference

and he will just introduce his grandson Christian, and Christian will

walk to the microphone (looking & acting as normal as any child) and

say, I use to have autism cause by vaccines but thanks to biomed

treatment, and he will name all of his biomed treatment. Maybe that is

what Bob is waiting for.

Thank You

Jeff

>

> I'm sure Marty can speak for himself, but I don't recall on this

> thread him ever saying he totally agreed with NAAR or that he wanted

> to disprove DAN! or biomed. I think what he said was that it (biomed)

> didn't work for his child (unfortunately doesn't work for every

> child), but that he knows many it (biomed) has worked for, and that he

> thinks both genetic research and biomed have a place, and even asked

> for anyone who had a proposal to submit it & he'd try to see it go to

> the " right " person at AS. Seems to me like all worthy comments.

>

> Sounds to me like Marty is a reasonable person, I don't understand why

> he's getting blasted.

>

> Debi

>

[Guest guest]

I propose regardless of the thread we all entitle our posts " Re: Marty " .

Just a little humor, my friends.

>From: <martyx2@...>

>Reply-EOHarm

>EOHarm

>Subject: Re: Re: Marty

>Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 17:16:40 -0400 (EDT)

>

>Yes the world goes on. How about we start a new

>thread with a less controversial caption??

>

>Later

>

>Marty

>---- Original message ----

>

> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2007 21:02:50 -0000

> From: " krstagliano " <KRStagliano@...>

> Subject: Re: Marty

> EOHarm

>

> Thanks, Marty. I was horrified that the list FROZE

> dead at the apex

> of our discussion.

>

> KS

>

>

> > > >

> > > > But Marty, they've had two years+ and

> > $60,000,000 and countless TV

> > > > time to show even an inkling of entertaining

> > the biomedical

> > > > approach. Even if you REALLY wanted to

> debunk

> > the biomed approach,

> > > > if you believed with your brain, heart and

> > soul that biomed is

> > > > bullpuckey (I was told JB owns horsepuckey)

> > you'd allow the

> > research

> > > > so you could official proclaim it dead and

> put

> > the issue to rest.

> > > > Unless you were are terrified it might be

> bone

> > fide, in which case

> > > > you'd do what CANAARSPEAK? has done since

> its

> > inception. Deny the

> > > > grants for research, shut down the

> opposition,

> > cover your ears

> > with

> > > > genetic ear muffs and sing " la la la I can't

> > hear you! " and ice

> > the

> > > > cake by running a public letter denouncing

> the

> > biomedical approach

> > > > taken by the daughter of your founders.

> > > >

> > > > At 1 in 150 how many kids have been

> diagnosed

> > since AS came into

> > > > being? How many kids has NAAR recovered over

> > the years? A big fat

> > > > goose egg? Or even attempted to recover? How

> > many dollars of the

> > > > millions raised by " walking far " helped

> > families avoid divorce or

> > > > battle school districts for FAPE? Have you

> > created subsidized

> > speech

> > > > and OT centers or helped pay for the private

> > schools the Alison

> > > > Singer's of the world can afford by virtue

> of

> > their salaries, or

> > made

> > > > sure families had enough money left over at

> > the end of the month

> > to

> > > > buy that last bag of groceries to stretch to

> > pay day? Autism

> > > > fincially ruins families. I know. I have a

> > photo of a beautiful

> > home

> > > > that used to be my own. It hangs in my

> cheesy

> > rental house.

> > > >

> > > > What have the millions your organization

> > raised and spent done to

> > > > make the life of ONE autistic child

> improved?

> > Or do you, Marty,

> > like

> > > > the neuros and the psychs believe there IS

> NO

> > POOSSIBLE

> > IMPROVEMENT

> > > > for our children? Do you believe our

> children

> > are lost causes?

> > Will

> > > > AS fund guns so we can take our kids out

> back

> > and shoot them?

> > > > Because I wonder, what the hell will happen

> to

> > my beautiful girls

> > > > when I am too old to care for them. I worry

> > every day. So I damn

> > > > well better do everything I can do FIX THEIR

> > ISSUES to the best

> > of my

> > > > and their ability. I OWE MY KIDS THAT. AS

> can

> > help me. I know they

> > > > can. So far they choose not to. Suzanne

>

> > likes to

> > say " Autism

> > > > knocked on the wrong door. " REALLY? Doesn't

> > she mean " The

> > > > Spontaneous Genetic Mutation " that has

> > similarly affected tens of

> > > > thousands of kids " knocked on the wrong

> door?

> > > >

> > > > " You can only hope to make an autistic

> > person's life more

> > > > comfortable. " I will never forget those

> words

> > handed to me by a

> > > > neuro. Ever. They feed my passion every day

> > like raw meat to a

> > > > lion.

> >

> > > >

> > > > Growl.

> > > >

> > > > KAKRS

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

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Please clarify why you think it it ridiculous to expect an answer to

a question?

> > > >

> > > > But Marty, they've had two years+ and $60,000,000 and

> countless TV

> > > > time to show even an inkling of entertaining the biomedical

> > > > approach. Even if you REALLY wanted to debunk the biomed

> approach,

> > > > if you believed with your brain, heart and soul that biomed is

> > > > bullpuckey (I was told JB owns horsepuckey) you'd allow the

> > research

> > > > so you could official proclaim it dead and put the issue to

> rest.

> > > > Unless you were are terrified it might be bone fide, in which

> case

> > > > you'd do what CANAARSPEAK? has done since its inception. Deny

> the

> > > > grants for research, shut down the opposition, cover your

ears

> > with

> > > > genetic ear muffs and sing " la la la I can't hear you! " and

> ice

> > the

> > > > cake by running a public letter denouncing the biomedical

> approach

> > > > taken by the daughter of your founders.

> > > >

> > > > At 1 in 150 how many kids have been diagnosed since AS came

> into

> > > > being? How many kids has NAAR recovered over the years? A big

> fat

> > > > goose egg? Or even attempted to recover? How many dollars of

> the

> > > > millions raised by " walking far " helped families avoid

divorce

> or

> > > > battle school districts for FAPE? Have you created subsidized

> > speech

> > > > and OT centers or helped pay for the private schools the

Alison

> > > > Singer's of the world can afford by virtue of their salaries,

> or

> > made

> > > > sure families had enough money left over at the end of the

> month

> > to

> > > > buy that last bag of groceries to stretch to pay day? Autism

> > > > fincially ruins families. I know. I have a photo of a

> beautiful

> > home

> > > > that used to be my own. It hangs in my cheesy rental house.

> > > >

> > > > What have the millions your organization raised and spent

done

> to

> > > > make the life of ONE autistic child improved? Or do you,

> Marty,

> > like

> > > > the neuros and the psychs believe there IS NO POOSSIBLE

> > IMPROVEMENT

> > > > for our children? Do you believe our children are lost

causes?

> > Will

> > > > AS fund guns so we can take our kids out back and shoot them?

> > > > Because I wonder, what the hell will happen to my beautiful

> girls

> > > > when I am too old to care for them. I worry every day. So I

> damn

> > > > well better do everything I can do FIX THEIR ISSUES to the

> best

> > of my

> > > > and their ability. I OWE MY KIDS THAT. AS can help me. I know

> they

> > > > can. So far they choose not to. Suzanne likes to

> > say " Autism

> > > > knocked on the wrong door. " REALLY? Doesn't she mean " The

> > > > Spontaneous Genetic Mutation " that has similarly affected

tens

> of

> > > > thousands of kids " knocked on the wrong door?

> > > >

> > > > " You can only hope to make an autistic person's life more

> > > > comfortable. " I will never forget those words handed to me by

a

> > > > neuro. Ever. They feed my passion every day like raw meat to a

> > > > lion.

> > > >

> > > > Growl.

> > > >

> > > > KAKRS

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Notwithstanding my initial viserol

reaction to the question, Kim and I corresponded and the question was answered both

privately and on the list earlier today.

Marty

From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 8:45

PM

EOHarm

Subject: Re: Marty

Please clarify why you think it it ridiculous to

expect an answer to

a question?

> > > >

> > > > But Marty, they've had two years+ and $60,000,000 and

> countless TV

> > > > time to show even an inkling of entertaining the biomedical

> > > > approach. Even if you REALLY wanted to debunk the biomed

> approach,

> > > > if you believed with your brain, heart and soul that biomed

is

> > > > bullpuckey (I was told JB owns horsepuckey) you'd allow the

> > research

> > > > so you could official proclaim it dead and put the issue to

> rest.

> > > > Unless you were are terrified it might be bone fide, in

which

> case

> > > > you'd do what CANAARSPEAK? has done since its inception.

Deny

> the

> > > > grants for research, shut down the opposition, cover your

ears

> > with

> > > > genetic ear muffs and sing " la la la I can't hear

you! " and

> ice

> > the

> > > > cake by running a public letter denouncing the biomedical

> approach

> > > > taken by the daughter of your founders.

> > > >

> > > > At 1 in 150 how many kids have been diagnosed since AS came

> into

> > > > being? How many kids has NAAR recovered over the years? A

big

> fat

> > > > goose egg? Or even attempted to recover? How many dollars

of

> the

> > > > millions raised by " walking far " helped families

avoid

divorce

> or

> > > > battle school districts for FAPE? Have you created

subsidized

> > speech

> > > > and OT centers or helped pay for the private schools the

Alison

> > > > Singer's of the world can afford by virtue of their

salaries,

> or

> > made

> > > > sure families had enough money left over at the end of the

> month

> > to

> > > > buy that last bag of groceries to stretch to pay day?

Autism

> > > > fincially ruins families. I know. I have a photo of a

> beautiful

> > home

> > > > that used to be my own. It hangs in my cheesy rental house.

> > > >

> > > > What have the millions your organization raised and spent

done

> to

> > > > make the life of ONE autistic child improved? Or do you,

> Marty,

> > like

> > > > the neuros and the psychs believe there IS NO POOSSIBLE

> > IMPROVEMENT

> > > > for our children? Do you believe our children are lost

causes?

> > Will

> > > > AS fund guns so we can take our kids out back and shoot

them?

> > > > Because I wonder, what the hell will happen to my beautiful

> girls

> > > > when I am too old to care for them. I worry every day. So I

> damn

> > > > well better do everything I can do FIX THEIR ISSUES to the

> best

> > of my

> > > > and their ability. I OWE MY KIDS THAT. AS can help me. I

know

> they

> > > > can. So far they choose not to. Suzanne likes to

> > say " Autism

> > > > knocked on the wrong door. " REALLY? Doesn't she mean

" The

> > > > Spontaneous Genetic Mutation " that has similarly

affected

tens

> of

> > > > thousands of kids " knocked on the wrong door?

> > > >

> > > > " You can only hope to make an autistic person's life

more

> > > > comfortable. " I will never forget those words

handed to me by

a

> > > > neuro. Ever. They feed my passion every day like raw meat

to a

> > > > lion.

> > > >

> > > > Growl.

> > > >

> > > > KAKRS

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jeff, Very well said! I agree with you wholeheartedly. It's a waste of time and energy to most of us to be mad at Bob . Let's hate autism and what it has done to our kids - Bob did not do this to my kids. I'm sure Bob is grieving just like all the rest of us. He may not be spending the AS money the way that we would want him to, but we can speak with our pocketbooks and donate to another autism charity we agree with more. But to have hatred or this much anger at Bob - not me. And, it seems like every few weeks people pile on Marty, which I think is a complete waste of time. He seems like a very decent, thoughtful, up-front person, and I'm really tired of all the nasty comments thrown his way. How many times are we going to go through this cycle? How is that productive? In addition to, "can't we all get along," how about, "don't we have better things to

do?" JMHO. Mariejeffmillrun <JeffMillRun@...> wrote: I agree Debi, I LOVE this list but, it sometimes reminds me of mychurch work 20 years ago were some members of the church thought theenemy was the church down the street that was building a new churchbuilding, and was afraid that they would still some of our membersbecause of there new building and I was always reminding them theenemy was not the new church it was satan, ie, to me the enemy is

theCDC, IOM, FDA and Offit. To me we (the autism community) are all trying to get to the sameplace (like the church members) a cure for our love ones. One more similarity is the church also attacks there hurting, ever gota divorce while going to a baptist church, I did, 15 years ago andthere are some members that still will not speak to me, but stillattack me.I have said it before there are some organizations that are going forthe hail mary and I am SO glad they are there and hope they aresuccessful and some organizations are just trying to get a 1st & 10 ieautism speaks and I am glad there are there just in case the hail maryorganizations are not successful. and I have said it before, To quote the great theologian Rodney King"can't, can't, can't we all just get along" I have a dream that someday Bob will have a press conferenceand he will just introduce his grandson

Christian, and Christian willwalk to the microphone (looking & acting as normal as any child) andsay, I use to have autism cause by vaccines but thanks to biomedtreatment, and he will name all of his biomed treatment. Maybe that iswhat Bob is waiting for. Thank YouJeff>> I'm sure Marty can speak for himself, but I don't recall on this> thread him ever saying he totally agreed with NAAR or that he wanted> to disprove DAN! or biomed. I think what he said was that it (biomed)> didn't work for his child (unfortunately doesn't work for every> child), but that he knows many it (biomed) has worked for, and that he> thinks both genetic research and biomed have a place, and even asked> for anyone who had a proposal to submit it & he'd try to see it go

to> the "right" person at AS. Seems to me like all worthy comments. > > Sounds to me like Marty is a reasonable person, I don't understand why> he's getting blasted. > > Debi>

Building a website is a piece of cake. Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.

[Guest guest]

I don't. He did, several times, in fact.

What I found ridiculous was " ...if you do not have an [sic]

reasonable answer then you are admitting she is correct... "

> > > > >

> > > > > But Marty, they've had two years+ and $60,000,000 and

> > countless TV

> > > > > time to show even an inkling of entertaining the biomedical

> > > > > approach. Even if you REALLY wanted to debunk the biomed

> > approach,

> > > > > if you believed with your brain, heart and soul that

biomed is

> > > > > bullpuckey (I was told JB owns horsepuckey) you'd allow

the

> > > research

> > > > > so you could official proclaim it dead and put the issue

to

> > rest.

> > > > > Unless you were are terrified it might be bone fide, in

which

> > case

> > > > > you'd do what CANAARSPEAK? has done since its inception.

Deny

> > the

> > > > > grants for research, shut down the opposition, cover your

> ears

> > > with

> > > > > genetic ear muffs and sing " la la la I can't hear you! "

and

> > ice

> > > the

> > > > > cake by running a public letter denouncing the biomedical

> > approach

> > > > > taken by the daughter of your founders.

> > > > >

> > > > > At 1 in 150 how many kids have been diagnosed since AS

came

> > into

> > > > > being? How many kids has NAAR recovered over the years? A

big

> > fat

> > > > > goose egg? Or even attempted to recover? How many dollars

of

> > the

> > > > > millions raised by " walking far " helped families avoid

> divorce

> > or

> > > > > battle school districts for FAPE? Have you created

subsidized

> > > speech

> > > > > and OT centers or helped pay for the private schools the

> Alison

> > > > > Singer's of the world can afford by virtue of their

salaries,

> > or

> > > made

> > > > > sure families had enough money left over at the end of the

> > month

> > > to

> > > > > buy that last bag of groceries to stretch to pay day?

Autism

> > > > > fincially ruins families. I know. I have a photo of a

> > beautiful

> > > home

> > > > > that used to be my own. It hangs in my cheesy rental house.

> > > > >

> > > > > What have the millions your organization raised and spent

> done

> > to

> > > > > make the life of ONE autistic child improved? Or do you,

> > Marty,

> > > like

> > > > > the neuros and the psychs believe there IS NO POOSSIBLE

> > > IMPROVEMENT

> > > > > for our children? Do you believe our children are lost

> causes?

> > > Will

> > > > > AS fund guns so we can take our kids out back and shoot

them?

> > > > > Because I wonder, what the hell will happen to my

beautiful

> > girls

> > > > > when I am too old to care for them. I worry every day. So

I

> > damn

> > > > > well better do everything I can do FIX THEIR ISSUES to the

> > best

> > > of my

> > > > > and their ability. I OWE MY KIDS THAT. AS can help me. I

know

> > they

> > > > > can. So far they choose not to. Suzanne likes to

> > > say " Autism

> > > > > knocked on the wrong door. " REALLY? Doesn't she mean " The

> > > > > Spontaneous Genetic Mutation " that has similarly affected

> tens

> > of

> > > > > thousands of kids " knocked on the wrong door?

> > > > >

> > > > > " You can only hope to make an autistic person's life more

> > > > > comfortable. " I will never forget those words handed to me

by

> a

> > > > > neuro. Ever. They feed my passion every day like raw meat

to a

> > > > > lion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Growl.

> > > > >

> > > > > KAKRS

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm new on this group and I've seen this guys name posted at least 50 times since I got here. I agree with Kim we should change the subject line and leave him alone. At least for now. Stellahelena_batts <helena_batts@...> wrote: I don't. He did, several times, in fact. What I found ridiculous was "...if you do not have an [sic] reasonable answer then you are admitting she is correct..."> > > > >> > > > > But Marty, they've had two years+ and $60,000,000 and > > countless TV> > > > > time to show even an inkling of entertaining the biomedical> > > > > approach. Even if you REALLY wanted to debunk the biomed > > approach,> > > > > if you believed with your brain, heart and soul that biomed is> > > > > bullpuckey (I was told JB owns horsepuckey) you'd allow the > > > research> > > > > so you could official proclaim it dead and put the issue to > > rest.> > > > > Unless you were are terrified it might be bone fide, in which > > case> > > > > you'd do what CANAARSPEAK? has done since its

inception. Deny > > the> > > > > grants for research, shut down the opposition, cover your > ears > > > with> > > > > genetic ear muffs and sing "la la la I can't hear you!" and > > ice > > > the> > > > > cake by running a public letter denouncing the biomedical > > approach> > > > > taken by the daughter of your founders.> > > > >> > > > > At 1 in 150 how many kids have been diagnosed since AS came > > into> > > > > being? How many kids has NAAR recovered over the years? A big > > fat> > > > > goose egg? Or even attempted to recover? How many dollars of > > the> > > > > millions raised by "walking far" helped families avoid > divorce > > or> > > > > battle

school districts for FAPE? Have you created subsidized > > > speech> > > > > and OT centers or helped pay for the private schools the > Alison> > > > > Singer's of the world can afford by virtue of their salaries, > > or > > > made> > > > > sure families had enough money left over at the end of the > > month > > > to> > > > > buy that last bag of groceries to stretch to pay day? Autism> > > > > fincially ruins families. I know. I have a photo of a > > beautiful > > > home> > > > > that used to be my own. It hangs in my cheesy rental house.> > > > >> > > > > What have the millions your organization raised and spent > done > > to> > > > > make the life of ONE autistic child improved? Or do

you, > > Marty, > > > like> > > > > the neuros and the psychs believe there IS NO POOSSIBLE > > > IMPROVEMENT> > > > > for our children? Do you believe our children are lost > causes? > > > Will> > > > > AS fund guns so we can take our kids out back and shoot them?> > > > > Because I wonder, what the hell will happen to my beautiful > > girls> > > > > when I am too old to care for them. I worry every day. So I > > damn> > > > > well better do everything I can do FIX THEIR ISSUES to the > > best > > > of my> > > > > and their ability. I OWE MY KIDS THAT. AS can help me. I know > > they> > > > > can. So far they choose not to. Suzanne likes to > > > say "Autism> > > >

> knocked on the wrong door." REALLY? Doesn't she mean "The> > > > > Spontaneous Genetic Mutation" that has similarly affected > tens > > of> > > > > thousands of kids" knocked on the wrong door?> > > > >> > > > > "You can only hope to make an autistic person's life more> > > > > comfortable." I will never forget those words handed to me by > a> > > > > neuro. Ever. They feed my passion every day like raw meat to a> > > > > lion.> > > > >> > > > > Growl.> > > > >> > > > > KAKRS> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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>

> Marty:

>

> You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have ever

> encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was vaccine

> damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol.

>

> And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A guy who,

> compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp can't

> stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be

honestly

> explored by them?

>

> I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number of

them

> submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED DOWN>

>

> At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting

> anything? The proposal process is by definition political, and they

> understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making all the

> decisions.

>

> Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true

> environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the current

> cast of characters running the place - they all have too much to

> lose!

>

> JB

>Who funds this autism speaks? the government!

If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can hEAR us

parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into productive

little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is the

genetically modified vaccines with toxins.

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" The ONLY genetic componant is the genetically modified vaccines with

toxins. "

I would argue the validity of that statement. Genetics plays a role in

autism. Of course it is certainaly not the only factor nor do I

suggest it is the cause but it is part of the overall picture.

Marty

> >

> > Marty:

> >

> > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have ever

> > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was vaccine

> > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol.

> >

> > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A guy who,

> > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp can't

> > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be

> honestly

> > explored by them?

> >

> > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number of

> them

> > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED DOWN>

> >

> > At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting

> > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, and they

> > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making all the

> > decisions.

> >

> > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true

> > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the current

> > cast of characters running the place - they all have too much to

> > lose!

> >

> > JB

> >Who funds this autism speaks? the government!

> If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can hEAR us

> parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into productive

> little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is the

> genetically modified vaccines with toxins.

>

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Marty I am the dad of a clinically proven mercury poisoned 17 year old boy. That has more than three times the normal level of testosterone. As that of a normal child the same age. And a bowel disorder from hell. He is currently on a lupron protocol agreed upon by both the Geiers and his GP. All the Geiers are making for their services to my son. Is a whopping charge/cost of $0-zilch-0$... Their only vested interest; is the expert help they are providing. And the love and care they have for children. So much for other people from CDC, FDA, AAP, and the industry. Whom insist that the Geiers are in it for the money. I would really like to see the other side show such compassion. But I happened to know they are greedy even to their own, who have children like ours. One such case; involves someone I thought was a friend. He said; Joe, it's like they told me "Adios M -F'er!" your on your own. This was one high up scientist. Who took his child to a very well known hospital.They called him after he had returned home with his very severely autistic child. And told him his insurance was not good enough. Amazing; how greedy they have gotten. After all; they poisoned the children. According to Bob s daughter. All of the genetics

specialist and hospitals that they sought help from. Did not even have a clue. Eventually she sought help from a so called "Junk Scientist" "AKA: Dr. Krigsman" to get real help. Funny who helps and who hurts our children, all for the greater good. It is my finding; that you could not get from all the scientist on the other side of the autism treatment debate. One drop of the integrity that is in one single scientist that is on our side "the side of the children" of the issue. Before my son was put on the lupron. He had gotten so out of control. My wife and I were considering placing him in a home. He would go into sudden rages. Hitting, scratching, pinching, screaming, crying. He would throw things. Break anything he could; including doors, windows, walls. He would literally throw his body into a wall in order to bust

through the sheet-rock. He would also purposely injure himself. Has had many stitches and multiple broken bones. All at his own doing. How can genetic research help our children with high levels of testosterone. And those clinically proven to have mercury poisoning. It seems to me; they would be looking into the cause of why these children are loaded with high levels of testosterone. It is impossible; that these children having high levels of mercury. Would not exhibit signs of mercury "poisoning" toxicity. Mercury toxicity symptoms are very similar; if not identical to symptoms of Autism. In other word; - THEY ARE ONE IN THE SAME !!!We should be working to remove mercury out of their systems. By finding the very best chelating methods. Chelation is the only way to remove mercury. And also; looking into how

elevated levels of testoterone plays a roll in autism. We do not see any research from AS; that involves the removal of mercury. Which has already been proven to help autistic symptoms. Looking for an invisible autism gene or genetic marker; does absolutely nothing. It does nothing to improve the quality of life for these children. Nor' are they looking into the reason why these children are loaded with testosterone. Causing some to be extremely agressive. Joe -------------------- TX martinx2us <martyx2@...> wrote: "The ONLY genetic componant is the genetically modified vaccines withtoxins."I would argue the validity of that statement. Genetics plays a role inautism. Of course it is certainaly not the only factor nor do Isuggest it is the cause but it is part of the overall picture.Marty> >> > Marty:> >> > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have ever> > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your

child was vaccine> > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol.> >> > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A guy who,> > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp can't> > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be> honestly> > explored by them?> >> > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number of> them> > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED DOWN>> >> > At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting> > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, and they> > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making all the> > decisions.> >> > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true> > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the

current> > cast of characters running the place - they all have too much to> > lose!> >> > JB> >Who funds this autism speaks? the government!> If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can hEAR us> parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into productive> little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is the> genetically modified vaccines with toxins.>

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HUGE (((((((HUG))))))) To Joe And Our Angels, The Geiers!!!

~

> > >

> > > Marty:

> > >

> > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have

ever

> > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was

vaccine

> > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol.

> > >

> > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A guy

who,

> > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp can't

> > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be

> > honestly

> > > explored by them?

> > >

> > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number of

> > them

> > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED DOWN>

> > >

> > > At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting

> > > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, and

they

> > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making all

the

> > > decisions.

> > >

> > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true

> > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the current

> > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too much to

> > > lose!

> > >

> > > JB

> > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government!

> > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can hEAR us

> > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into

productive

> > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is the

> > genetically modified vaccines with toxins.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Joe I hear what you are saying and appreciate your comments. I have spoken to and am aware of her issues. She has been very articulate in explaining to me what she believes.

It is OK for us to disagree on some points. I do not see all cases of autism as mercury poisoning and in my mind genetic susceptibility may play a role in any event. That is why I advocate for some genetic research in addition to other types of research that may lead to some of the answers we both seek.

As I have said before, genetic research should not be done to the exclusion of other research.

Marty> > >> > > Marty:> > >> > > You are by far the most reasonable and moderate voice I have ever> > > encountered from NAAR and you don't believe your child was vaccine> > > damaged and you don't follow the DAN! protocol.> > >> > > And, that right there is the problem with Autism Speaks. A guy who,> > > compared to many on this board, is not really in our camp can't> > > stand Autism Speaks - how in the world will our POV ever be> > honestly> > > explored by them?> > >> > > I have spoken with many of researchers in our camp. A number of> > them> > > submitted proposals to Autism Speaks. They were ALL TURNED DOWN>> > >> > > At this point, their position is: why bother with submitting> > > anything? The proposal process is by definition political, and they> > > understand the ideology of the SAB at Autism SPeaks making all the> > > decisions.> > >> > > Autism Speaks is not going to ever embrace exploring true> > > environmental cause and biomedical intervention with the current> > > cast of characters running the place - they all have too much to> > > lose!> > >> > > JB> > >Who funds this autism speaks? the government!> > If anyone wants or cares to listen to autism than they can hEAR us> > parents who have taken sheer zombies and turned them into productive> > little people by healing them. The ONLY genetic componant is the> > genetically modified vaccines with toxins.> >>