Re: You Tube Video Blasts Autism Speaks

May 25, 2007

I actually hope that your son, and both of mine, make a full recovery

some day.

Cheers.

> >

> > So my son with Aspergers doesn't have a disability? It's all in my

> > head??

>

> No , it is not in your head. It is in the legal definition of

> disability. Words mean things. I didn't make it up. While it does vary

> from state to state, to be disabled means you are disabled. It does

> not mean you are high functioning. It means, for example you are

> blind, not just severly nearsighted. It means, for example, you are

> deaf, not just hard of hearing. It means, more or less, that if you

> are disabled, you require profound support, intervention and care

> 24/7. Aperger Syndrome is not a disability. Google DSM-IV.

>

> I do not exclude the high functioning disadvantaged from my advocacy.

> Why do you put other words in my mouth? For someday, I hope my son

> becomes merely HF disadvantaged, and not the profoundly disabled he is

> now. But I am entirely clear that my advocacy starts with the

> disabled first. I resist any advocacy that comes at the expense of the

> disabled. I resist any advocacy that attempts to trivialized how

> horrible autism is so that some HF people can feel better about

> themselves. Not at the expense of children like mine, they won't.

>

> Lenny

>

May 25, 2007

Anyone who claims

> they want to be severely disabled should be

> cured for their own good.

>

I couldn't agree more with you. I've started my

ASD toddler on the GF/CF diet with great success.

My 21 Aspie is only semi-enthused about trying

this, or other bio-med therapies.

If he were capable to living by himself, and was

self-supporting, I would agree. However, when he

choses to " live with " his symptoms, especially

the anxiety, it means his entire family must live

with it.

Now that I'm aware of what's out there, I'd be

crazy to continue to live like this, or let him

chose it for himself, when he can't even imagine

the alternative.

Kim

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May 25, 2007

Anyone who claims

> they want to be severely disabled should be

> cured for their own good.

>

I couldn't agree more with you. I've started my

ASD toddler on the GF/CF diet with great success.

My 21 Aspie is only semi-enthused about trying

this, or other bio-med therapies.

If he were capable to living by himself, and was

self-supporting, I would agree. However, when he

choses to " live with " his symptoms, especially

the anxiety, it means his entire family must live

with it.

Now that I'm aware of what's out there, I'd be

crazy to continue to live like this, or let him

chose it for himself, when he can't even imagine

the alternative.

Kim

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____

Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play

Sims Stories at Games.

http://sims./

May 25, 2007

I think she's confused with Bill , the AA recovery guy.

Hello, my name is Lenny,

I'm the recoverying parent

of an autistic child.

> > > >

> > > > I don't care too much for the video's author, Kent

> > > , aka

> > > " Christschool. " He's a pretty

> > > > vicious fella who attacks those of us who are

> > > using biomedical

> > > interventions to try to help

> > > > our kids.

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in

> > > alternative vehicles.

> > > Visit the Auto Green Center.

> >

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May 25, 2007

I think she's confused with Bill , the AA recovery guy.

Hello, my name is Lenny,

I'm the recoverying parent

of an autistic child.

> > > >

> > > > I don't care too much for the video's author, Kent

> > > , aka

> > > " Christschool. " He's a pretty

> > > > vicious fella who attacks those of us who are

> > > using biomedical

> > > interventions to try to help

> > > > our kids.

> > >

> > > ---------------------------------

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> > > Visit the Auto Green Center.

> >

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May 25, 2007

Lenny is also headlining on the Neuro-Insane blog of Kev Leitch this

evening.....

Very sad people over there. And without sounding too judgemental...

they are EXTREMELY judgemental.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't care too much for the video's author, Kent

> > > > , aka

> > > > " Christschool. " He's a pretty

> > > > > vicious fella who attacks those of us who are

> > > > using biomedical

> > > > interventions to try to help

> > > > > our kids.

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------

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> > > > Visit the Auto Green Center.

> > >

> >

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May 25, 2007

Lenny is also headlining on the Neuro-Insane blog of Kev Leitch this

evening.....

Very sad people over there. And without sounding too judgemental...

they are EXTREMELY judgemental.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't care too much for the video's author, Kent

> > > > , aka

> > > > " Christschool. " He's a pretty

> > > > > vicious fella who attacks those of us who are

> > > > using biomedical

> > > > interventions to try to help

> > > > > our kids.

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------

> > > > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in

> > > > alternative vehicles.

> > > > Visit the Auto Green Center.

> > >

> >

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May 25, 2007

Sorry I meant Bob.... The stress of the day. But I do have an inside connection to him.autismlink <cindy@...> wrote: I don't know about Bill , but I don't think Bob would.> > >> > > I don't care too much for the video's author, Kent> > , aka> > "Christschool." He's a pretty > > > vicious fella who attacks those of us who are> > using biomedical> > interventions to try to help > > > our kids.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------->

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May 25, 2007

Sorry I meant Bob.... The stress of the day. But I do have an inside connection to him.autismlink <cindy@...> wrote: I don't know about Bill , but I don't think Bob would.> > >> > > I don't care too much for the video's author, Kent> > , aka> > "Christschool." He's a pretty > > > vicious fella who attacks those of us who are> > using biomedical> > interventions to try to help > > > our kids.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------->

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May 25, 2007

I have a cousin with aspergers and a son with autism comparing them

is like comparing apples and oranges,I would never put them in the

same group.

F

> > >

> > > I don't agree, Lenny. The neurodiverse have an opinion too.

THEY

> > > HAVE AUTISM.

> >

> > They DO NOT HAVE AUTISM. They have a disorder, if at all, on the

> > autism spectrum, most likely Asperger Syndrome. Aspergers is not

> > autism, it is Aspergers. It has been given a different label

because

> > it is significantly different than core autism.

> >

> > The Neurodiverse are a hate group. They demonize parents who seek

> > treatment and cures for bonefide autism, the disability. There is

no

> > parent group anywhere who wants to force inhuman treatments on

their

> > kids as their straw man propaganda spouts -- although certainly

might

> > be individuals who do. They also want to redefine autism as

something

> > high functioning primarily. They act as if autism the disability

does

> > not exist. They promote their agenda at the expense of children

like

> > mine, and adults, who are disabled and are in need of treatment

and

> > cure, if possible. It is immoral to deny cures to the disabled.

> >

> > > They have a disability too,

> >

> > Aspergers is not a disability. Disability has a specific

meaning. It

> > does not mean having high functioning disadvantages. It means that

> > without profound intervention and care, the individual will likely

> > perish. Only a small handful of HF advocates require that their

> > advocacy feeds off the disabled like the NDs do.

> >

> > > and like it or not, they have a voice,

> > > they have opinions, and they want to be heard just like you.

> > >

> >

> > You won't find me repeating their bilge in my publications. These

> > people do not represent the disabled and they do not even

represent

> > those on the high end of the autism spectrum, imo. However,

there are

> > HF advocates that do not need to operate from an agenda of hating

> > parent groups who seek treatments and cures. I do what I can to

> > support and promote their efforts.

> >

> > Lenny

> >

>

May 25, 2007

I have a cousin with aspergers and a son with autism comparing them

is like comparing apples and oranges,I would never put them in the

same group.

F

> > >

> > > I don't agree, Lenny. The neurodiverse have an opinion too.

THEY

> > > HAVE AUTISM.

> >

> > They DO NOT HAVE AUTISM. They have a disorder, if at all, on the

> > autism spectrum, most likely Asperger Syndrome. Aspergers is not

> > autism, it is Aspergers. It has been given a different label

because

> > it is significantly different than core autism.

> >

> > The Neurodiverse are a hate group. They demonize parents who seek

> > treatment and cures for bonefide autism, the disability. There is

no

> > parent group anywhere who wants to force inhuman treatments on

their

> > kids as their straw man propaganda spouts -- although certainly

might

> > be individuals who do. They also want to redefine autism as

something

> > high functioning primarily. They act as if autism the disability

does

> > not exist. They promote their agenda at the expense of children

like

> > mine, and adults, who are disabled and are in need of treatment

and

> > cure, if possible. It is immoral to deny cures to the disabled.

> >

> > > They have a disability too,

> >

> > Aspergers is not a disability. Disability has a specific

meaning. It

> > does not mean having high functioning disadvantages. It means that

> > without profound intervention and care, the individual will likely

> > perish. Only a small handful of HF advocates require that their

> > advocacy feeds off the disabled like the NDs do.

> >

> > > and like it or not, they have a voice,

> > > they have opinions, and they want to be heard just like you.

> > >

> >

> > You won't find me repeating their bilge in my publications. These

> > people do not represent the disabled and they do not even

represent

> > those on the high end of the autism spectrum, imo. However,

there are

> > HF advocates that do not need to operate from an agenda of hating

> > parent groups who seek treatments and cures. I do what I can to

> > support and promote their efforts.

> >

> > Lenny

> >

>

May 25, 2007

Good luck trying but if their own flesh and blood daughter could not

enlighten them, then I do not hold out much hope that our voices

would readily prevail.

> > >

> > > I don't care too much for the video's author, Kent

> > , aka

> > " Christschool. " He's a pretty

> > > vicious fella who attacks those of us who are

> > using biomedical

> > interventions to try to help

> > > our kids.

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in

> > alternative vehicles.

> > Visit the Auto Green Center.

>

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May 25, 2007

Good luck trying but if their own flesh and blood daughter could not

enlighten them, then I do not hold out much hope that our voices

would readily prevail.

> > >

> > > I don't care too much for the video's author, Kent

> > , aka

> > " Christschool. " He's a pretty

> > > vicious fella who attacks those of us who are

> > using biomedical

> > interventions to try to help

> > > our kids.

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in

> > alternative vehicles.

> > Visit the Auto Green Center.

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May 25, 2007

I have a 15 year-old son with aspergers and an 11 year-old son with autism and I use the same biomedical interventions with both. And guess what? It works! Aspergers has its own problems. Just ask those who really want to have friends but don't know how. They are bully magnets and can't defend themselves or understand why. It can be so lonesome and confusing. Then they grow up, get together and call themselves neurodiverse and become royal pains in the ass! My aspie son can tell the differences from before I started him with interventions and now. First with the diet, which gave amazing results and then with supplements. He is a lot happier and appreciates that he now has friendships and can maintain them. He thinks the neurodiverse are a bunch of assholes who are selfish and can't see the real world

with their ridiculous views. He wants his little brother healed too. My older son is fifteen 6'1" and I still can't let him ride public transportation alone because he would get hopelessly lost. He has no abilities to turn in homework or remember what he supposed to be doing without a well maintained schedule. But he is an amazing artist and very compassionate. My sons are just two different kinds of apples.

Kathleen

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Re: You Tube Video Blasts Autism Speaks

I have a cousin with aspergers and a son with autism comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges,I would never put them in the same group. F

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May 25, 2007

I have a 15 year-old son with aspergers and an 11 year-old son with autism and I use the same biomedical interventions with both. And guess what? It works! Aspergers has its own problems. Just ask those who really want to have friends but don't know how. They are bully magnets and can't defend themselves or understand why. It can be so lonesome and confusing. Then they grow up, get together and call themselves neurodiverse and become royal pains in the ass! My aspie son can tell the differences from before I started him with interventions and now. First with the diet, which gave amazing results and then with supplements. He is a lot happier and appreciates that he now has friendships and can maintain them. He thinks the neurodiverse are a bunch of assholes who are selfish and can't see the real world

with their ridiculous views. He wants his little brother healed too. My older son is fifteen 6'1" and I still can't let him ride public transportation alone because he would get hopelessly lost. He has no abilities to turn in homework or remember what he supposed to be doing without a well maintained schedule. But he is an amazing artist and very compassionate. My sons are just two different kinds of apples.

Kathleen

The world is not yet exhausted; let me see something tomorrow which I never saw before.- *************************************************************************

Re: You Tube Video Blasts Autism Speaks

I have a cousin with aspergers and a son with autism comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges,I would never put them in the same group. F

TV dinner still cooling?Check out "Tonight's Picks" on TV.

May 25, 2007

Lenny,

IMO on this subject of high functioning verses diasabled versus

Asperger, versus........ If my child was Mercury poisoned from

vaccines, which she was, what catagory does that put her in? If she is

not as disabled as anyone elses child it doesn't change the fact that

she wouldn't be in ANY of these catagories if not for the assault by

Pharmas. I am not sorry she isn't as bad or disabled as maybe your

(anyones)child, compared to what she WOULD BE if not for the attack all

of our children suffered. I will not except that we are " so lucky that

she is Asperger " ....NO ONE IS LUCKY, it is just different levels of

immunity. You are not unlucky and I am not lucky, we are all in this

for the same reasons DAMAGE, DAMAGE DAMAGE to our kids on any part of

the spectrum.

Lori B

> >

> > So my son with Aspergers doesn't have a disability? It's all in my

> > head??

May 25, 2007