Re: Newbie sticking her head up

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On 6/3/09, Sherry Skapik <sherryskapik@...> wrote:

>

> What's your typical menu for a day like, Sparrow?

Well, here's today:

Got up and had a smoothie with abt. 5 oz spinach, two bananas, tsp

spirulina, 140 grams frozen cherries. (It's cherry season. I will be a

cherry fiend until I get sick of them.)

Before going to the grocery, had a snack of three unsulphured dried

Turkish apricot halves (they are so good they should be outlawed!) and

three fresh dates.

Coming home from the grocery, ate about 2 pounds of cherries. Oh, and

four prunes because they just tasted SOOOOO good. (Darn, now I'm

craving more prunes! LOL)

For dinner, I'm planning to have a bunch of spring mix (I usually just

eat it by hand out of the bag), some celery, and about a pound of

strawberries (got a four pound flat for $2.99! It was limit one so I'm

riding my bicycle back over on Friday to see if there are any more and

still marked so cheap.)

I'm planning on going out for a power walk this evening if it doesn't

rain (one hour at 130 steps per minute ~ 4 miles) and if I do go out,

I will have banana ice cream when I get in, additional fruit to be

decided.

I don't know if this counts as a " typical " day or not. Some days I

have a more vegetable-y dinner. I picked up some tomatoes and

zucchini so I can do " pasta " sometime this week (I put zucchini in the

spiralizer to make angel-hair pasta out of it and make a sauce by

soaking sun-dried tomatoes and putting them in the food processor with

fresh tomatoes, a couple of dates, a clove of garlic, a small handful

of oregano, a dash of sea salt.) I also picked up a head of purple

cabbage and I have the stems from a couple of heads of cauliflower and

a couple of carrots to chop up into a rainbow slaw for dinner one

evening. Oh, and I have a jícama that I will eat at some point, maybe

make a dip for, maybe just chew on, depending on my mood.

Yesterday I had a small handful of pumpkin seeds but they tasted a

little rancid to me (I got the last of the batch at the co-op. Had to

get help getting the seeds out of the front display compartment of the

bin so who knows how old they were. Yuck. Not sure what to do with

them - feel bad about taking them bad to get money returned because

the co-op is struggling financially more than I am right now. The

shelves look like Soviet Russia because they can't afford to keep

stock in. They're playing favorites on what they order, based on who

buys most regularly from them, and I'm one of the favorites, which is

the only reason I can still eat spirulina.) I also ate most of a bunch

of radishes yesterday. (Along with regular green smoothie, banana ice

cream, etc.)

I have a bag of Brazil nuts and eat no more than five of them a day

(haven't had any today. The hot weather makes me averse to fatty

foods, I've noticed. Which is a good thing since too much fat in the

diet is what leads to insulin resistance in folks with otherwise

intact pancreatic/insulin uptake systems.) When I take food to

potlucks and such I usually work with walnuts because the stuff I make

with them seems to be most impressive to regular omnivorous type

people but I don't make the stuff for myself because it's way too high

in fat.

Probably 90% of what I eat is fruit ... depending on if you're

counting by weight or by calories. I aim for no more than 10% calories

from fat, which is why I don't eat any extracted oils and limit my

seeds, nuts, olives, and avocados.

I just ran today's food - eaten and planned - through my software.

Not counting the banana ice cream, that's 1442 calories. 8% protein,

9% fat, 83% carbohydrates. If I go power walking, I will burn about

375 calories. Banana-mango ice cream (my most likely candidate

tonight) is 387 calories so the walk and the ice cream basically

cancel each other out, calorie-wise.

I don't eat by calories, though. I eat by hunger. So I had no idea how

many calories I was planning to eat to day until I ran it through my

software just now. Interesting to see what it comes out as, though.

Sparrow

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There's not a lot of difference between the two as far as prices or

brand names, but Sam's dues are less. Because I joined with my sister's

company, I pay half of her fee. It was $17.50 this year. I've already

saved that much many times over.

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Re: Newbie sticking her head up

Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:13:40 -0600

On 6/3/09, Connie Lacelle <groups@...>

wrote:

>

> Doesn't seem right to shop for food at Wally World. We only

> go there for the odd thing a kid needs that we can't find around

> home, and it's definitely not food.

>

> I keep hearing about Sam's Club. Never seen one...

The " Sam " is Sam Walton, the " Wal " from WalMart. Same company. Sam's

Club is just their membership warehouse store.

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I hope you guys all find a farmer's market nearby, and/or get some dirt

of your own to work with.

ew

Re: Newbie sticking her head up

Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:11:13 -0600

On 6/3/09, Thia (aka " pixx " ) <pixxley@...> wrote:

>

> Hey, check out these folks-- maybe there is a location near you.

They aren't anywhere in my state. Thanks for looking, though.

> But since your hubby does not eat raw, maybe

> this will work for you?

Believe it or not, he's a pickier eater than I am. I can't use

coupons

because I spend five hours going through coupons only to find out he

will eat two things I've found coupons for and I've just spent five

hours to save 70 cents.

Now if they only made coupons for produce, I'd be using nearly all of

them!

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BTW, did mention that I picked green beans, carrots, beats, kohlrabi,

swiss chard, and cherry tomatoes from my garden this week? Also, my 5

year old grandson picked blackberries and one strawberry. No I'm not

rubbing it in. Just want you to know how lucky I am to have a garden.

ew

Re: Newbie sticking her head up

Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 20:11:13 -0600

On 6/3/09, Thia (aka " pixx " ) <pixxley@...> wrote:

>

> Hey, check out these folks-- maybe there is a location near you.

They aren't anywhere in my state. Thanks for looking, though.

> But since your hubby does not eat raw, maybe

> this will work for you?

Believe it or not, he's a pickier eater than I am. I can't use

coupons

because I spend five hours going through coupons only to find out he

will eat two things I've found coupons for and I've just spent five

hours to save 70 cents.

Now if they only made coupons for produce, I'd be using nearly all of

them!

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You and me, BOTH! :~)

Thia

Sparrow R <sparrowrose@...> wrote:

>

>

> Now if they only made coupons for produce, I'd be using nearly all of them!

>

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Hi, Ernest:

Living on a small property, how much room would I need for a garden like yours? 

Berries and beets, yay!

Thank you,

Barbara

>

> Hey, check out these folks-- maybe there is a location near you.

They aren't anywhere in my state. Thanks for looking, though.

> But since your hubby does not eat raw, maybe

> this will work for you?

Believe it or not, he's a pickier eater than I am. I can't use

coupons

because I spend five hours going through coupons only to find out he

will eat two things I've found coupons for and I've just spent five

hours to save 70 cents.

Now if they only made coupons for produce, I'd be using nearly all of

them!

Sparrow

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It's big, and bring something big to bring the big packages home in.  Buying in

bulk is their thing.  I split things with my parents - paper towels,produce,

frozen foods, etc.  Haven't seen anything small there, well except for

ipods...My son and I buy packages of our favorite pens - good deals for a bundle

in all colors.

 

Enjoy today,

Barbara

>

> Doesn't seem right to shop for food at Wally World. We only

> go there for the odd thing a kid needs that we can't find around

> home, and it's definitely not food.

>

> I keep hearing about Sam's Club. Never seen one...

The " Sam " is Sam Walton, the " Wal " from WalMart. Same company. Sam's

Club is just their membership warehouse store.

Sparrow

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On 6/3/09, Ernest Willingham <99tomatoes@...> wrote:

>

> I hope you guys all find a farmer's market nearby,

Our farmer's market gouges. Prices twice as high as the supermarket

and a lot of the stuff in the supermarket comes from the same farms.

> and/or get some dirt

> of your own to work with.

I'm doing what I can with the community garden plot but I'm loathe to

put too much into it beyond labor as there's no guarantee I'll get the

same plot next year. Plus someone stole a lot of my produce last year.

I put a lot of effort, materials and money into developing my plot

last year only to discover it had been given to someone else this year

and I was given a rocky, undeveloped plot with a big dip so it holds a

puddle in the center.

But I'm giving it a try anyway. My radishes are sprouting. One

zucchini plant and one cucumber plant have survived. Everything else

either died as starts in my kitchen or died in the ground (probably

not warm enough yet when I planted them.) I'm getting a passle of

starts on Saturday. Fingers crossed that some of them take.

I look forward to the day when I have my own yard.

Sparrow

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On 6/3/09, Ernest Willingham <99tomatoes@...> wrote:

>

> BTW, did mention that I picked green beans, carrots, beats, kohlrabi,

> swiss chard, and cherry tomatoes from my garden this week? Also, my 5

> year old grandson picked blackberries and one strawberry. No I'm not

> rubbing it in. Just want you to know how lucky I am to have a garden.

And to live in a warm climate. We're only just barely putting plants

in right now here.

Sparrow

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Yeah, ours is fairly uppity. Last time I went there was only one booth that

was actually a farm. The rest were selling things like crab meat, and

shrimp salad. But this is a tourist town. There is a new one in a town up

the road (maybe 20-25 minutes away) that I hope to get to some this summer.

Hoping it's actually a *farmer's* market.

Thia

Sparrow R wrote:

Our farmer's market gouges. Prices twice as high as the supermarket

> and a lot of the stuff in the supermarket comes from the same farms.

>

>

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On 6/3/09, Thia (aka " pixx " ) <pixxley@...> wrote:

>

> Yeah, ours is fairly uppity. Last time I went there was only one booth that

> was actually a farm. The rest were selling things like crab meat, and

> shrimp salad.

Ours mainly sells imported ethnic clothing and rainbow-colored

flavored popcorns. The farmers bring scads and scads of zucchini and

corn and not much else. The one time I found a good deal there it was

an astronomically good deal -- a couple brought their granddaughter

and agreed with her that she could pick their apricots and sell them

at whatever price she chose so I got a gallon ziplock of very ripe

apricots for a dollar.

The old rule of thumb about cheap produce at closing time doesn't

apply at ours, either. The market is open one morning a week for three

hours and one evening a week for two hours and nobody gives price

breaks, possibly because they don't feel they've sat there long enough

to feel desperate? They'd rather haul everything back home than give a

discount.

> But this is a tourist town. There is a new one in a town up

> the road (maybe 20-25 minutes away) that I hope to get to some this summer.

> Hoping it's actually a *farmer's* market.

Best wishes with that! We aren't a tourist town, but we're the biggest

town for miles and miles so all the farmers from a good two dozen

surrounding towns come in for our farmer's market and another isn't

very likely to open anywhere near.

Sparrow

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Awesome on the apricots, how totally cool! I have a friend, who has a

friend, who has " threatened " to bury the house in figs...I am soooo ready!

bring 'em on!! :~)

Yeah, this town is so " touristy " that I actually had someone online (but

from a nearby town) tell me that they didn't realize people actually *lived*

here.

Have a wonderful and blessed day, Everyone!

:~)

Thia

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:20 AM, Sparrow R <sparrowrose@...>wrote:

> I got a gallon ziplock of very ripe

> apricots for a dollar.

>

> ...

> We aren't a tourist town, but we're the biggest

> town for miles and miles

>

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I have a 1/2 acre yard but it is mostly shaded.  I solved the problem this year

with container gardens.  They're working great...tomatoes, kale, peppers, 3

kinds of lettuce, herbs, squash and cucumbers.  If you're ever interested, I can

tell you about it.

Sherry

>

> Hey, check out these folks-- maybe there is a location near you.

They aren't anywhere in my state. Thanks for looking, though.

> But since your hubby does not eat raw, maybe

> this will work for you?

Believe it or not, he's a pickier eater than I am. I can't use

coupons

because I spend five hours going through coupons only to find out he

will eat two things I've found coupons for and I've just spent five

hours to save 70 cents.

Now if they only made coupons for produce, I'd be using nearly all of

them!

Sparrow

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Thanks Sparrow.  Wow! you've really got it down pat....I admire your knowledge

on eating raw.  I think sometimes my problem is that it's hard to get past

feeling the need for some traditional protein.  Do you feel like you get

enough?  I can't eat soy products because it interferes with the thyroid...don't

care much for it anyway.   Do you ever eat peanut butter?  Also, does it take a

lot of time to prepare food the way you do it? 

Sherry

>

> What's your typical menu for a day like, Sparrow?

Well, here's today:

Got up and had a smoothie with abt. 5 oz spinach, two bananas, tsp

spirulina, 140 grams frozen cherries. (It's cherry season. I will be a

cherry fiend until I get sick of them.)

Before going to the grocery, had a snack of three unsulphured dried

Turkish apricot halves (they are so good they should be outlawed!) and

three fresh dates.

Coming home from the grocery, ate about 2 pounds of cherries. Oh, and

four prunes because they just tasted SOOOOO good. (Darn, now I'm

craving more prunes! LOL)

For dinner, I'm planning to have a bunch of spring mix (I usually just

eat it by hand out of the bag), some celery, and about a pound of

strawberries (got a four pound flat for $2.99! It was limit one so I'm

riding my bicycle back over on Friday to see if there are any more and

still marked so cheap.)

I'm planning on going out for a power walk this evening if it doesn't

rain (one hour at 130 steps per minute ~ 4 miles) and if I do go out,

I will have banana ice cream when I get in, additional fruit to be

decided.

I don't know if this counts as a " typical " day or not. Some days I

have a more vegetable-y dinner. I picked up some tomatoes and

zucchini so I can do " pasta " sometime this week (I put zucchini in the

spiralizer to make angel-hair pasta out of it and make a sauce by

soaking sun-dried tomatoes and putting them in the food processor with

fresh tomatoes, a couple of dates, a clove of garlic, a small handful

of oregano, a dash of sea salt.) I also picked up a head of purple

cabbage and I have the stems from a couple of heads of cauliflower and

a couple of carrots to chop up into a rainbow slaw for dinner one

evening. Oh, and I have a jícama that I will eat at some point, maybe

make a dip for, maybe just chew on, depending on my mood.

Yesterday I had a small handful of pumpkin seeds but they tasted a

little rancid to me (I got the last of the batch at the co-op. Had to

get help getting the seeds out of the front display compartment of the

bin so who knows how old they were. Yuck. Not sure what to do with

them - feel bad about taking them bad to get money returned because

the co-op is struggling financially more than I am right now. The

shelves look like Soviet Russia because they can't afford to keep

stock in. They're playing favorites on what they order, based on who

buys most regularly from them, and I'm one of the favorites, which is

the only reason I can still eat spirulina.) I also ate most of a bunch

of radishes yesterday. (Along with regular green smoothie, banana ice

cream, etc.)

I have a bag of Brazil nuts and eat no more than five of them a day

(haven't had any today. The hot weather makes me averse to fatty

foods, I've noticed. Which is a good thing since too much fat in the

diet is what leads to insulin resistance in folks with otherwise

intact pancreatic/insulin uptake systems.) When I take food to

potlucks and such I usually work with walnuts because the stuff I make

with them seems to be most impressive to regular omnivorous type

people but I don't make the stuff for myself because it's way too high

in fat.

Probably 90% of what I eat is fruit ... depending on if you're

counting by weight or by calories. I aim for no more than 10% calories

from fat, which is why I don't eat any extracted oils and limit my

seeds, nuts, olives, and avocados.

I just ran today's food - eaten and planned - through my software.

Not counting the banana ice cream, that's 1442 calories. 8% protein,

9% fat, 83% carbohydrates. If I go power walking, I will burn about

375 calories. Banana-mango ice cream (my most likely candidate

tonight) is 387 calories so the walk and the ice cream basically

cancel each other out, calorie-wise.

I don't eat by calories, though. I eat by hunger. So I had no idea how

many calories I was planning to eat to day until I ran it through my

software just now. Interesting to see what it comes out as, though.

Sparrow

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Ernest,

Do you have a year round growing season in southern California? And

how low do the temperatures get in the winter?

Here in my part of Michigan the average frost free period is May 10

to October 10. My sister lives about ten miles away from me and has

had a killing frost on June 1. So it's likely that I'll have to wait

until the beginning of August before I see a ripe tomato. Since I'm

in a condo I don't have room for much more than a few tomato plants.

I've noticed that a neighbor has a few tomato plants now so maybe my

strange gardening behavior is having an impact.

To my thinking nothing gives more pleasure than growing your own

food. Either by gardening or by sprouting.

I hear the common excuse, " I don't have a green thumb like you do,

everything I try to grow dies. " I say don't measure yourself by your

'failures'. If I did I wouldn't bother to get out of bed. I like the

sayings, " There's no failure, only feedback, " and " Anything worth

doing is worth doing badly, until you get it right. "

Lee

On Jun 3, 2009, at 11:00 PM, Ernest Willingham wrote:

> BTW, did mention that I picked green beans, carrots, beats, kohlrabi,

> swiss chard, and cherry tomatoes from my garden this week? Also, my 5

> year old grandson picked blackberries and one strawberry. No I'm not

> rubbing it in. Just want you to know how lucky I am to have a garden.

> ew

[Guest guest]

I think that there needs to be more 'producers only' farmer's

markets, where the dealer has to prove that he had grown or produced

(baked, cooked, canned, etc.) the item that he is selling. If he's

selling 'free range' chicken eggs, he should be able to say that he

or his family member collected them from the coop the day before. Way

too many scammers out there.

Lee

On Jun 4, 2009, at 12:53 AM, Thia (aka " pixx " ) wrote:

> Yeah, ours is fairly uppity. Last time I went there was only one

> booth that

> was actually a farm. The rest were selling things like crab meat, and

> shrimp salad. But this is a tourist town. There is a new one in a

> town up

> the road (maybe 20-25 minutes away) that I hope to get to some this

> summer.

> Hoping it's actually a *farmer's* market.

>

> Thia

>

> Sparrow R wrote:

>

> Our farmer's market gouges. Prices twice as high as the supermarket

> > and a lot of the stuff in the supermarket comes from the same farms.

> >

> >

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I have a lot of room. I chose this property for the potential garden,

Large back yard, small front. But you can garden in any amount of space

where you get plenty of sunlight. You may not grow everything you desire,

but you can grow a little of many things. In the square foot garden

method. you can grow 16 different things in a 4x4 plot. I wish I knew how

to upload pictures, I could show you a little thing did in a small space.

It is four by four piece of cement reinforcing wire (left over from the

city's sidewalk job) bent in a semicircle and attached to some poles

someone was throwing away. On this trellis I planted cucumbers. In the

middle of the semicircle I put an old half barrel. In the half barrel is

one Early Girl tomato and four basil. This whole set up sits in a three

foot circle. You can do many things with a little space.

ew

Re: Newbie sticking her head up

Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:14:52 -0700 (PDT)

Hi, Ernest:

Living on a small property, how much room would I need for a garden

like yours?  Berries and beets, yay!

Thank you,

Barbara

>

> Hey, check out these folks-- maybe there is a location near you.

They aren't anywhere in my state. Thanks for looking, though.

> But since your hubby does not eat raw, maybe

> this will work for you?

Believe it or not, he's a pickier eater than I am. I can't use

coupons

because I spend five hours going through coupons only to find out he

will eat two things I've found coupons for and I've just spent five

hours to save 70 cents.

Now if they only made coupons for produce, I'd be using nearly all of

them!

Sparrow

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Sounds like you live in a really nasty neighborhood.

ew

Re: Newbie sticking her head up

Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 22:29:47 -0600

On 6/3/09, Ernest Willingham <99tomatoes@...> wrote:

>

> I hope you guys all find a farmer's market nearby,

Our farmer's market gouges. Prices twice as high as the supermarket

and a lot of the stuff in the supermarket comes from the same farms.

> and/or get some dirt

> of your own to work with.

I'm doing what I can with the community garden plot but I'm loathe to

put too much into it beyond labor as there's no guarantee I'll get

the

same plot next year. Plus someone stole a lot of my produce last

year.

I put a lot of effort, materials and money into developing my plot

last year only to discover it had been given to someone else this

year

and I was given a rocky, undeveloped plot with a big dip so it holds

a

puddle in the center.

But I'm giving it a try anyway. My radishes are sprouting. One

zucchini plant and one cucumber plant have survived. Everything else

either died as starts in my kitchen or died in the ground (probably

not warm enough yet when I planted them.) I'm getting a passle of

starts on Saturday. Fingers crossed that some of them take.

I look forward to the day when I have my own yard.

Sparrow

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Yes, I garden year round. Average frost dates are Nov. 15th to Feb. 1st.

In the cool months, I grow the Cole family, peas and lettuces. I

generally harvest and serve a big salad from my garden for the Family's

Thanksgiving and two Christmas dinners. I can grow beets, turnips and

carrots year round. They don't grow as fast when its cool, but they grow.

We haver a really severe winter about once every 10 years. When nothing

grows and I have to provide protection for some trees and plants.

Otherwise its gardening as usual.

ew

Re: Newbie sticking her head up

Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:02:27 -0400

Ernest,

Do you have a year round growing season in southern California? And

how low do the temperatures get in the winter?

Here in my part of Michigan the average frost free period is May 10

to October 10. My sister lives about ten miles away from me and has

had a killing frost on June 1. So it's likely that I'll have to wait

until the beginning of August before I see a ripe tomato. Since I'm

in a condo I don't have room for much more than a few tomato plants.

I've noticed that a neighbor has a few tomato plants now so maybe my

strange gardening behavior is having an impact.

To my thinking nothing gives more pleasure than growing your own

food. Either by gardening or by sprouting.

I hear the common excuse, " I don't have a green thumb like you do,

everything I try to grow dies. " I say don't measure yourself by your

'failures'. If I did I wouldn't bother to get out of bed. I like the

sayings, " There's no failure, only feedback, " and " Anything worth

doing is worth doing badly, until you get it right. "

Lee

On Jun 3, 2009, at 11:00 PM, Ernest Willingham wrote:

> BTW, did mention that I picked green beans, carrots, beats,

kohlrabi,

> swiss chard, and cherry tomatoes from my garden this week? Also, my

5

> year old grandson picked blackberries and one strawberry. No I'm

not

> rubbing it in. Just want you to know how lucky I am to have a

garden.

> ew

[Guest guest]

A city about 20 miles from me advertised a new farmers mkt. I went over

to check it out. There were booths selling everything. I went up to one

booth, picked up a polished rock and asked what they planted to harvest

those. The girl had no idea what I was talking about. They had bands

playing. They had food booths. They had a small play area for children

(for a fee). Never found the farmer.

ew

Re: Newbie sticking her head up

Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:20:58 -0400

I think that there needs to be more 'producers only' farmer's

markets, where the dealer has to prove that he had grown or produced

(baked, cooked, canned, etc.) the item that he is selling. If he's

selling 'free range' chicken eggs, he should be able to say that he

or his family member collected them from the coop the day before. Way

too many scammers out there.

Lee

On Jun 4, 2009, at 12:53 AM, Thia (aka " pixx " ) wrote:

> Yeah, ours is fairly uppity. Last time I went there was only one

> booth that

> was actually a farm. The rest were selling things like crab meat,

and

> shrimp salad. But this is a tourist town. There is a new one in a

> town up

> the road (maybe 20-25 minutes away) that I hope to get to some this

> summer.

> Hoping it's actually a *farmer's* market.

>

> Thia

>

> Sparrow R wrote:

>

> Our farmer's market gouges. Prices twice as high as the supermarket

> > and a lot of the stuff in the supermarket comes from the same

farms.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On 6/4/09, Ernest Willingham <99tomatoes@...> wrote:

>

> Sounds like you live in a really nasty neighborhood.

Why on earth would you say that?

I actually live in one of the best neighborhoods in town, not counting

the suburbs up on the hills where the super-rich live. I was very

fortunate to be able to find a tiny apartment only one block from

campus in a neighborhood filled with historic homes. All the families

living around me are professors and their spouses and children. I

don't always like the other people who move into this apartment

building, but the bad ones don't tend to stay long.

Sparrow

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On 6/4/09, Sherry Skapik <sherryskapik@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks Sparrow.  Wow! you've really got it down pat....I admire

> your knowledge on eating raw.

I'm working on it. Thank you.

>  I think sometimes my problem is that it's hard to get past feeling

> the need for some traditional protein. Do you feel like you get enough?

Any food that comes from something that is or was alive has protein in

it. Many of today's health problems come from eating *too much*

protein. The body cannot use an inifinite amount of protein so when we

eat more than we need, the body has to dispose of it in some way. One

thing it does is leach calcium from our bones to bind up the extra

protein -- too much protein contributes to osteoporosis. Another thing

that happens is that the kidneys become stressed from passing so much

protein day after day. The human body doesn't need and can't use more

than 10% protein by calories. (Think about this: the most intense

period of growth, development, and replacement of cells in a human's

life is during their first year outside the womb (not counting the

time in the womb, of course) and nature's most perfect food for humans

in their first year of life is breastmilk, which is 6% protein (and

55% fat, but children need much more fat than adults because of the

immense amount of growth in neurons during childhood.)

If a child growing from birth to one year old only needs 6% protein,

how much would the most intense bodybuilding adult need? There are no

protein deficiencies in the western world; it is unheard of. The only

time we *ever* see a protein deficiency (the disease called

kwashiokor) is in people who are not getting enough calories --

starving people in third world countries. Our need for protein has

been grossly exaggerated by an agricultural industry with a vested

interest in selling lots of beef and milk. The " food pyramid " and the

" four food groups " (I'm told there are five now) were developed and

marketed by the agricultural industry, not by objective doctors or

nutritionists. Don't passively yield to the propaganda (not even mine!

LOL): do your own research on these issues.

>  I can't eat soy products because it interferes with the

> thyroid...don't care much for it anyway.

There is a direct link between soy isolates and cancer anyway. You're

much better off without them.

> Do you ever eat peanut butter?

Heavens, no. My genetic predisposition to type 2 diabetes would never

forgive me eating peanut butter. It is over 70% fat! (And remember -

it is the fat that keeps the blood sugar unnaturally elevated. It is

high fat foods that cause and contribute to insulin resistance.)

It's so funny that peanut butter gets hyped as a " protein food " when

what it mostly is is a fat food. Peanut butter is 16% protein by

calories. Yes, it's more protein than the human body needs, but

protein is a minority macronutrient in peanut butter.

Peanut butter is also not raw which means that the derangement of

amino acids that occurs with application of heat applies to peanut

butter (You will not find raw peanut butter because of the high risk

of aflatoxins, molds common to peanuts that will damage the livier and

potentially kill you.) Whenever you heat a protein, it becomes much

more difficult for the body to " untangle " and " decipher " those

proteins. You will get more usable protein from a raw food with 10%

protein by calories than from a cooked food with 15% protein.

> Also, does it take a lot of time to prepare food the way you do it?

Not really. More traditional cooked food is what takes so long. It

takes me about an hour and a half to cook a pot of beans. It takes me

about half an hour to make the frozen convenience foods my husband

enjoys eating. It takes me about five minutes to make anything I eat

on a regular basis.

Sometimes I make fancy stuff to bring to potlucks like raw cake and

that takes me about ten minutes to make, including clean-up. The most

time intensive thing I make is when I make pâté rolls for a pot luck.

Five minutes to make the pâté and an hour or more (depending on how

many I'm making) to roll it up by spoonfuls in collard leaves.

In general, I try to follow the 5-5-5 rule in daily meals. A meal

should have no more than 5 ingredients, it should take no more than 5

minutes to prepare, and it should cost no more than $5 in ingredients.

I regularly undercut all three of the " fives " by a very wide margin.

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

How do you know all this stuff?  Is your degree in nutrition?  I have found that

making raw meals for myself takes much longer than cooking.  I must be doing the

wrong recipes.  Thanks for the info on peanut butter and protein.  As much as I

love it, guess I'll try to cut down.

Sherry

>

> Thanks Sparrow.  Wow! you've really got it down pat....I admire

> your knowledge on eating raw.

I'm working on it. Thank you.

>  I think sometimes my problem is that it's hard to get past feeling

> the need for some traditional protein. Do you feel like you get enough?

Any food that comes from something that is or was alive has protein in

it. Many of today's health problems come from eating *too much*

protein. The body cannot use an inifinite amount of protein so when we

eat more than we need, the body has to dispose of it in some way. One

thing it does is leach calcium from our bones to bind up the extra

protein -- too much protein contributes to osteoporosis. Another thing

that happens is that the kidneys become stressed from passing so much

protein day after day. The human body doesn't need and can't use more

than 10% protein by calories. (Think about this: the most intense

period of growth, development, and replacement of cells in a human's

life is during their first year outside the womb (not counting the

time in the womb, of course) and nature's most perfect food for humans

in their first year of life is breastmilk, which is 6% protein (and

55% fat, but children need much more fat than adults because of the

immense amount of growth in neurons during childhood.)

If a child growing from birth to one year old only needs 6% protein,

how much would the most intense bodybuilding adult need? There are no

protein deficiencies in the western world; it is unheard of. The only

time we *ever* see a protein deficiency (the disease called

kwashiokor) is in people who are not getting enough calories --

starving people in third world countries. Our need for protein has

been grossly exaggerated by an agricultural industry with a vested

interest in selling lots of beef and milk. The " food pyramid " and the

" four food groups " (I'm told there are five now) were developed and

marketed by the agricultural industry, not by objective doctors or

nutritionists. Don't passively yield to the propaganda (not even mine!

LOL): do your own research on these issues.

>  I can't eat soy products because it interferes with the

> thyroid...don' t care much for it anyway.

There is a direct link between soy isolates and cancer anyway. You're

much better off without them.

> Do you ever eat peanut butter?

Heavens, no. My genetic predisposition to type 2 diabetes would never

forgive me eating peanut butter. It is over 70% fat! (And remember -

it is the fat that keeps the blood sugar unnaturally elevated. It is

high fat foods that cause and contribute to insulin resistance.)

It's so funny that peanut butter gets hyped as a " protein food " when

what it mostly is is a fat food. Peanut butter is 16% protein by

calories. Yes, it's more protein than the human body needs, but

protein is a minority macronutrient in peanut butter.

Peanut butter is also not raw which means that the derangement of

amino acids that occurs with application of heat applies to peanut

butter (You will not find raw peanut butter because of the high risk

of aflatoxins, molds common to peanuts that will damage the livier and

potentially kill you.) Whenever you heat a protein, it becomes much

more difficult for the body to " untangle " and " decipher " those

proteins. You will get more usable protein from a raw food with 10%

protein by calories than from a cooked food with 15% protein.

> Also, does it take a lot of time to prepare food the way you do it?

Not really. More traditional cooked food is what takes so long. It

takes me about an hour and a half to cook a pot of beans. It takes me

about half an hour to make the frozen convenience foods my husband

enjoys eating. It takes me about five minutes to make anything I eat

on a regular basis.

Sometimes I make fancy stuff to bring to potlucks like raw cake and

that takes me about ten minutes to make, including clean-up. The most

time intensive thing I make is when I make pâté rolls for a pot luck.

Five minutes to make the pâté and an hour or more (depending on how

many I'm making) to roll it up by spoonfuls in collard leaves.

In general, I try to follow the 5-5-5 rule in daily meals. A meal

should have no more than 5 ingredients, it should take no more than 5

minutes to prepare, and it should cost no more than $5 in ingredients.

I regularly undercut all three of the " fives " by a very wide margin.

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

On 6/4/09, Sherry Skapik <sherryskapik@...> wrote:

>

> How do you know all this stuff?  Is your degree in nutrition?

No, my degrees are in political science and economics and I'm

currently working on a grad degree in political science and a third

undergrad degree in Spanish.

But I read and research a LOT on pretty much any topic that I am

strongly interested in.

> I have found that making raw meals for myself takes much

> longer than cooking.  I must be doing the wrong recipes.

What kinds of things are you eating?

Sparrow

[Guest guest]

..> I hear the common excuse, " I don't have a green thumb like you do,

> everything I try to grow dies. " I say don't measure yourself by your

> 'failures'. If I did I wouldn't bother to get out of bed. I like the

> sayings, " There's no failure, only feedback, " and " Anything worth

> doing is worth doing badly, until you get it right. "

Well, I'm not good at gardening, but I am good at simple things, like sprouting,

so I'm contented. I prefer to concentrate on things that I do well. Gardening

isn't a necessity for me.

Barb

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> > BTW, did mention that I picked green beans, carrots, beats, kohlrabi,

> > swiss chard, and cherry tomatoes from my garden this week? Also, my 5

> > year old grandson picked blackberries and one strawberry. No I'm not

> > rubbing it in. Just want you to know how lucky I am to have a garden.

> > ew

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